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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 09:27:00 -
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I am confused Jade...(and yes I know that is easy for an Amarrian like me  )
Earlier on this thread you made political capital out of TTI ships supposedely 'fleeing' from NVA space and now you are reporting their losses in battle!
So what is it...are they fleeing or are they fighting? Please bring a little light into my darkness.
TBH as an outsider I found it hard to understand from your posts how the NVA region is under your 'control' when I see these constant battle reports.
I also wonder who is building your ships now?
Your complaint that no mining could be done during the original Evolution/Xanadu attacks prompted you to demand that TTI contribute 'more' than 'just' PE5 BYOM battleships.
Assuming economic conditions and mining operations in Venal are at least as disrupted as during the 'original' Evo/Xan war how long will you be able to sustain all these 'reported' ship losses?
Or is mining during a 'war' now possible whereas it wasn't before?
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 14:38:59
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IÆll take your ôhardö questions monsieur Hardin, though they arenÆt that difficult to answer, they are at least more interesting to address than Yoseph CohenÆs normal level of nonsense;
Re TTI Fleeing,
Check the map monsieur, last night it was reading 50+ ships killed in theatre in past 24 hours. I reported only one confirmed kill of a TTI ship in theatre. On the way to the battle I passed Taggart ships heading in the other direction. From the day before we had reports of TTI individuals trying to negotiate safe passage for mineral transports from Venal. We also had specific reports of Ragnar leaving the theatre and giving a speech to the Piratical Northern Alliance, encouraging them to fight for the last and bleed his enemies in endless war.
Now, that all adds up to a strategic retreat Hardin, while their allies cover their backs. DÚjÓ vu perhaps?
Oh well it must be me being stupid that the one TTi ship you killed seemed to be so many more. If you always posted the facts without the usual 'spin' Jade then it is likely that you would be taken more seriously...
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Re control,
If you are having difficulty understanding them [my reports] Hardin mÆdear, I suggest you read them!
Oh I have...it' just that ignorant people like myself can often have difficulty getting the facts between the flowery stuff.
And by the way do you always have to sound so patronising?
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Seriously, I have described the situation as an ongoing war for liberation, a civil war, a hot-dispute, a conflict zone. I make a point of being accurate in my statements. If I tell you a war is being fought and travellers should take care then I am not telling you 100% control exists.
I did not question this. I simply made the point that if you are so able to 'support' the war now how come you couldn't support it against Evo/Xan? From my perspective it seems that you went around cutting the rug from under TTi for your own power game!
VA could have continued to fight a good fight against Xan/Evo yet instead of boosting morale you snuck around creating internal conspiracies that resulted in the VA's own destruction...
Maybe I am wrong. I do not have access to all the fabled logs that QBall regularly mentions but that is how it seems!
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Just read what I say, not what the propagandists and spin-doctors like Yoseph and Tehel say I say.
*Ironic laugh*
Jade I have come across your spin previously and I told you what I thought of it then.
Although I am no fan of TTi I believe Tehel plays it relatively straight and indeed often lets his actions do the talking. I will not comment on Yosef!
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Re the war effort,
Well, my original issue with TTI goes a lot further than the mere provision of BYOM +taggart[profit] ship deals. And do remember that the assertion of BE5 deals is hotly contested. This deal was never universally offered, or anything close to that.
Jade, from what I have read it seems that the PE5 BYOM production deals were offered officially and many in the VA were aware of them. This does not mean that everyone in TTI or VA knew of this and that they were always offered - I am sure you are aware of ensuring that such information flows completely through an organisation is not always an instantaneous thing...
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The difference now is simply;
NVA is an alliance, and in the alliance the member corporations are helping each other. Replacements are being built for mineral cost only. Blueprints are being offered free of charge. A common cruiser replacement stockpile exists.
As far as I was aware TTi shared also offered mineral only production...I do not know whether they also provided blueprints but I am sure I saw somone mention that.
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Everyone is paying their way and doing their share. Friends outside the alliance who loath Taggart Transpiratical are also doing their bit for the war effort with generous donations and visionary commitment to the cause.
So you found outside allies to help take on the 'hated' TTi. Why did you not put your efforts into finding similar allies against Xan and Evo instead of conspiring with them against member of your own alliance.
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We have assembled a wide coalition of honest and honourable corporations who have pledged aid and manpower to confront the spectre of pan-regional megacorp funded piratical endeavour.
Honest and honourable is a debatable claim as you know! It reminds me of the same double standards you used when you defended the actions of the former pirate corporations of VA which you later deplored.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 14:34:15
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Regardless of Taggart propaganda and the diuretic ranting of their rhetorically-challenged information minister Mr Necrosis, this war is being fought in the hearts and minds of the general population of Eve.
To be honest Jade the vast majority in Eve are neither aware or interested in your conflict - altho it does pass some time for a few of us.
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Many pilots and corporations have lost ships and lives and profits to the allies of Taggart Transpiratical, and though taken individually, these people are ôsmall beerö (in the words of Ragnar), and certainly not worth the 2 billion another Taggart commentator on these threads believes is the breakpoint to earning significant statusà together, itÆs a different story.
Many more people have been impacted by the actions of pirate corporations such as Mo0 and Sinister than by the 'piratical' actions of TTi who to many have been generally invisible. When will you launch you crusade on those real 'threats' to members of the EVE universe rather than persuing your personal vendetta against what is primarily a trading and industrial corp and no real threat to anyone...
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Together the general population of honourable, hard-working citizens of Eve can confront and defeat the sickening shadow of RagnarÆs thieving work-shy piratical vultures, and forever put the lie to the dominance of immoral big-isk villains above and beyond the meaningful reproach of justice and just endeavour.
C'mon Jade you don't really believe all the claptrap you are talking now do you?
Finally as you have decided to rename Corporations to suit your own PR needs I have also decided to rename you...
From now own you will always be known as
'JADE CONSTANTSPIN'
at least in my book anyway...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:41:00 -
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Okay Ms. Constantspin!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 14:57:17
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I will not comment on Yosef!
Why on earth not? You wasted a thousand words saying not much at all.
Ms. Constantspin
I did not comment on Yosef as I do not view him as a reliable source - although he does occasionally make good points. That is a personal view and not the Corp's
As to using a thousand words and not saying much at all can you not see that I have been learning from you my dear Constantspin! 
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 15/09/2003 15:39:30
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Time to ante up or ship out now Mr Hardon. Amongst your many words you accused me of building conspiracies with Xanadu and the FA.
Art has kindly put the lie to your accusation. Are you prepared to retract or are you going to sustain your charge and accuse the esteemed Xanadu rep of lying in a public debate?
Money where your mouth is time m'dear Hardon.
Ms. Constantspin - I love the way you selective chose the ground on which to fight your battles and create your own 'accusations'! I am also impressed with your regular demands for retractions altho they do become a bit wearisome.
Here is what I said:
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VA could have continued to fight a good fight against Xan/Evo yet instead of boosting morale you snuck around creating internal conspiracies that resulted in the VA's own destruction...
Maybe I am wrong. I do not have access to all the fabled logs that QBall regularly mentions but that is how it seems!
Please note 'internal conspiracies'
I just wonder whether it was a guilty mind which somehow extrapolated that into building 'external' conspiracies with Xanadu and Evolution...
As Art has not 'put lie' to the 'accusation' or at least no accusation that I made I do not have to retract anything Ms. Constantspin.
I actually have a lot of respect for Xanadu and if Art says he did not conspire with you then I tend to believe him. Unfortunately for you this is not what I had said!
Please also note the 'Maybe I am wrong' statement - this should be something you occasionally admit to as well!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.15 16:26:00 -
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Grovelling?
Ms. Constantspin you just simply cannot resist having the last word and putting an 'angle' on everything you write...
I certainly hadn't intended my last post to be grovelly and after re-reading it several times just to be sure I can categorically conclude that it was not in fact grovelly!
I would like you to retract that statement and issue a formal apology to me!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.16 14:00:00 -
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LOL - Miso
She still aint apologised either!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2003.09.17 08:11:00 -
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A gentleman always apologises to a lady, even if that gentleman is wrong (which u are) 
You Gallente women are as thick as thieves...
...and before anyone accuses me of flaming that has nothing to do with their intelligence!
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