Took you 3 weeks to kill 1 POCO eh?

Hi we lost 0 money and one of my 70 replacement pocos on reserve was immediately dropped on the spot, much to your rage in local.

for about as long as it takes to move it in alliance and transfer it to waffe. which is like 24-48 hours.

Marmite is, indeed, shameful but at least they didn't go on a "low sec roam" the second the POCOs came out of reinforce like your Lemmings did.

Once again gevlon shows a dismal understanding of game mechanics. That POCO will be in the main goon alliance by tomorrow. Pro tip: you can't transfer a poco outside of your alliance while at war, but you can drop a corp from alliance A, have it join alliance B and then transfer the POCO to any corp in alliance B. Your holding corp is at war the entire time and yet the POCO has been transfered.

Did I use words that were too complicated for you to wrap your tiny mind around? I am a professor I'm usually good at explaining things.

This is unintentionally hilarious. I actually am a real professor. Bonus points if you can guess of what. (I'll give you a hint, it has to do with the second part of my character name)

This was a pretty long read for what basically amounts to:
"Random 3rd parties spend personal money and tears on free RvB content creation."

So apparently the game auto-surrenders in a war when you join a new alliance. Entertaining, and I'm sure Gevlon will try to spin that into some sort of victory. In the meantime, the POCO is safely in GSF, and none of the four entities that wardecced Goon Capital so much as touched it.

"United States of Winning" did decide to go ahead and dec GSF though. Perhaps he felt cheated out of Gevlon's promised cheap 50m/week avenue to GSF as a target and decided to pony up for the real thing.

You know what this thread needs? More smilies in a vain attempt to appear smug that you managed toreinforce1pocoLOL

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Perhaps you'd like to explain which mechanic you are talking about, since this doesn't really make sense. Since no game mechanics were circumvented, and everything worked out as planned, I can only conclude that you've misunderstood the situation.

And congratulations, you started a 24 hour timer half an hour early. What you should have done is placed your own POCO, and not wasted a wardec on an alt corp.

And that's exactly why his trolling is bad. It should have some kind of intelligent twist, not a bunch of random words.

Realtalk: Invincibility wasn't really an objective, if it were why would I drop it in an alliance so cheap to dec? I dropped it in another corp because I felt dropping it in a neutral corp and then transferring it over would be a better route than having to cloak 200km off in a GSF blockade runner and hope I could warp in and drop fast enough. In short, I was concerned about a ninja attempt, not even necessarily from you guys as much as from random passerbys, or about having the ship blown up before I completed the drop. All the wardecs did was make it take longer to transfer back to Goonwaffe

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More to follow.

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This message is for all those who wish to take action against illegal miners- anywhere they hide. Since many of our supporters are not in player corps, I must place this message here instead of CAOD.
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Illegal miners have been found to be taking refuge in and around E-YCML. The "Sev3rance" alliance has been found to be harboring these fugitives. This is not acceptable.

As we speak, my corp is dropping SBU's in that system and neighboring ones.

While I will personally be heading out there in my trusty bomber, and other knights are on the way, we need YOUR HELP to wipe out this pestilence. These miners have already been spotted using their mission running ships to attack our SBU's. We cannot stand for this. We must all rise up and blot out the sun. All who love justice and the Code are welcome to join us in this crusade.

I will continue to update this thread as the news develops.

Warm Regards,

-Ero

It has no impact on me, yet I'm still posting. Your theory is crushed.

You posted - that obviously means you care.

Gevlon's main logical hurdle is that he simply can't (or won't) recognise that damage to individual members is different than damage to the alliance. Worse still, he quotes incidents of damage to the alliance as a basis of comparison.

So to math what he is really doing you need to start at member wallets. As of 2012, the average wallet of an active character was 500mil ISK. I'll be generous and say that the average 0.0 resident is equal to a highsec one (though this is very unlikely) and leave the results as a "best case" scenario.

If you multiply that out to our alliance, that's a 6 trillion ISK pool of liquid ISK. (This ignores that we have many of the very richest players in our ranks, with trillions each to their name.)

If you look at the CFC, that's over 13 trillion.

Remember this is just liquid ISK in the wallet, not counting assets, market escrow, etc.

Gevlon's best-case, super inflated numbers, show 125bil in damages over a month.

Per member, then, he was doing ~4.5mil in damage. Less than 1% of the average wallet. When we say the damage he does is a rounding error, we mean it literally.

In terms of recouping losses, it takes between 2-5minutes on average per member to replace the damage he does in a whole month.

I don't know what percentage of Gevlon's wallet 4bil per week is, but it's safe to assume it's more than ~0.25%

He's locked himself into a war of attrition against an entity that can take several orders of magnitude more damage than he can. All that remains to be seen is if he bankrupts himself, or he puts an end to it, claiming success and blaming other people for not achieving his original aims.

Odds are he stops in a few weeks, with something like "I proved one person can do x-bil damage to Goons, now it's time for people to stop being morons and slackers, and to rise up against them!"

You did lose a 300m isk pod to RvB a couple months back, just saying.

How terribly sad for Marmite. Personal losses in high sec don't affect nullsec alliances, not even a little. The fact you you don't want to believe that, even though there's years and years of evidence and quite literally thousands of people that can attest to this, is your problem.

Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.

Oh please, by all means share the bucket loads of tears from ranking officials of nullsec alliances begging you to stop damaging their alliance.

Consider this in regards to what affects 0.0 alliances: recently Pandemic Legion and NC. lost some 59 titans- mostly between the two of them, along with over 300 dreads 100 carriers and 10ish supers. This loss was catastrophic enough for them to pull out of a war they were doing pretty good in and go huddle in the drone regions- repo all their allies space and go ride bikes.

Somebody would have to do something like this to GSF to be able to say: "Yeah that had an effect."

Killing dudes in highsec will never affect any 0.0 alliance, even when Miniluv intercepts a load of ships on the way to the warzone, they just buy and ship more. Wardecs dont affect 0.0 alliances, killing noobships and shuttles on undocks doesnt affect 0.0 alliances. Killing some idiot in a T3 or a Vindi in Balle doesnt affect 0.0 alliances.

20b, 50b, 100b, 500b per month in individual kills or losses or 'supposed' damage done doesnt even affect 0.0 alliances because idiots who die in dumb ways and outside of specific areas do not qualify for reimbursement so alliance coffers are always unaffected.

GSF will be around 5 years from now and Marmite will not. Some new alliance will wear the highsec 'mercenary' mantle and declare a forever war of success based upon safe and risk-free pvp just like all those that have come before.

Tora knows it, despite his underlings redefining what it means to be a bad poster at every given opportunity, Tora is a pretty decent and rather intelligent fellow with an interesting sense of 'fun'.

Also- lol this is still a 'thing'?

For all Gevlon talks up his pets and claims they could defeat or esteemed partner RvB and brags about pod ganks and so forth, the fact that their fleet turned out (in respectable numbers no less) today, AFTER RvBs war aide had dropped, proves one thing: They're all scared ****less of facing RvB in a straight up fight.

Any group that actually leaves the Jita 4-4 undock must seem scary to you.

You get a certain amount of props for admitting your cowardice, at least.

Perhaps, difference is we have no pretensions we're trying to keep up.

So, I undocked from Jita today, not once, not twice, but four times and got past Marmite's "efforts" every time. How much does the war dec on Caldari Provisions go for?

Golly gosh, you are right! People get notifications! Hilarious!

Not quite as amusing as it will be when once again the timers tick down, Lemmings fly to the other side of high sec to keep their distance, and Tora bolts for the docking ring so fast that the order to evac hasn't even been transmitted yet. Or are you actually planning on trying to engage in combat this time?

Oh wait, no, that might damage your precious KB efficiency, then you'd have to find something else to fap to.

Almost like a SOTA.

I brought my ratting ship to defend the poco.
It was scimitar...

Constantly, once?

How do you know for sure I didn't have an AFK dominix with drone assisted on a FC running in the background?

Despite no fights, our numbers keep growing for the defense stuff. Kind of working the opposite way of what you intended.

You guys have moved the goalposts from the very simple first objective.

As you haven't taken any, you're all losers xD

How do you guys feel about the rest of the mercenary community writing off pretty much all highsec mercs except for freight club?

Guys who would normally run a home defense gang in deklein run down in interceptors in about 10minutes and hop into my ishtar fleet and marmite fucks off to gatecamp and get wrecked: https://zkillboard.com/related/30002768/201402170000/

The Darwins Lemmings dudes all login and go camp a gate and get wrecked:
http://purple.rvbeve.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=715937
The second RVB is dropped from a war, you guys crawl out of your hovels to try and make a meaningful impact on your goal of taking all of our pocos, and you fail each time.
Please tell me more about your **** tier puppetmastering.

Written off here: http://declarationsofwar.com/?p=636
Here: http://psianhauvyander.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-current-state-of-mercenaries-in-eve.html
And here: http://psianhauvyander.blogspot.com/2014/02/interview-with-mercenaries-featuring.html
Hope that helps.

Going to be kind of hard to do when you keep losing gatecamps to our RVB buddies:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=21999326
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=21997736

Unlike gevlon, we don't have to pay people to like us.

So you like him for free? Or you just don't like him?

Have you only been reading since his lemming posts?
In his mind players who grind isk are better than players who strive to have fun in a game, so grinding isk should be the focus of CCP developments. I'm pretty sure iof they opened up a non-PvP server, he'd be straight over there screaming "look at my wallet!". He'd probably love the Chinese server except he'd struggle to get out of the bottom 10% in wallet values.

If you're linking individual kills, then you didn't look at my post. I'm looking at actual fights vs ganks.

Are these guys really chestbeating about structure mails? I realize its a rare thing for highsec scrubs who dont own anything but I gotta delete 60+ per day

You're an idiot. Anyone who's been in a null alliance wouldn't even look twice at those mails, and know they mean literally zero. You get an automated message about every 10 mins telling you some scrub is shooting a POCO/SBU/TCU/IHub/etc when you're in a null corp.

Congratulations, you managed to co-ordinate a structure shoot when someone was streaming. If only you could co-ordinate the capture shoot the same way.

No, you're just an idiot. You should probably shut up before you make yourself look an even bigger idiot.

I somehow dont see marmite (lets face it they're the real muscle here, not lemmings) grinding all 310 of our pocos...

Basing on the fact he is totally serious about all he writes and he wants eve to become an isk grind fest, he pretty much treats it as a job, not a game. Remember that he claims people playing for fun are the lowest lifeforms and morons in general. Which is quite ironic given lemmings are the stupidest kinds of people according to him, yet he still needs to pay them weekly.

His definition of people who like to interact with other people. You can find many such pearls. Of course he is the only one winning eve, as you can see in current conflict.

I have a really honest question to ask.

Does anyone, honestly now, anyone in Marmite or lemmings buy into Gevlon's posts without question or doubt?

I really need to know this, I need to understand what percentage of the Eve population is THAT deluded and THAT gullible.

I hope you are trolling. If not, I hope it comes from not knowing goblin long enough. If that's also not true, well...

the proof you've provided I feel is simply wishful thinking.

Infiltration was going to happen, if only for the trolling. For me, it's the entertainment value of reading alliance chat.

Goons post, they are from a forum community. If you always take that as a sign they care, then the care about everything.

RvB have a treaty. Plain and simple. Keeping to the terms of that treaty shows only that RvB are good to their word.

Goon directors are not exempt from taking action.

Getting some laughs is a good thing, but the moment someone lowers himself to goblin level and starts talking his kind of shite, it gets just sad. He actually believes the stuff he writes, because he most likely is a bit ******** irl, yet we should keep it going purely as entertainment.

The bit that I keep getting stuck on, is that you guys think you'll somehow bring us down when:

far more numerous, powerful, experienced and ridiculously wealthy and malicious enemies who actually know how to hurt us have tried for years, and failed.

Every single major threat we've had has, by hook or by crook, been killed or defanged.

You aren't even attacking us in the right arena. Others have at least tried to take our space, but its like you can't see that the POCOs are of minimal value to us in the grand scheme of things.

In other ways, funnily enough, Gevlon has done his usual thing of getting the right idea, but missing the point entirely. A cultural victory where he somehow manages to make us "ungoony" is a unique idea.

Too bad he fails to understand that even if he somehow contrived to have every member of GoonWaffe quit EVE forever, he still won't have killed us, because we don't have to play EVE to be Goons.

Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html :


"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations."
Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher

The way I see this;
Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid.
RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free.
Goons win. They keep their POCOs.
Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave.

Don't feel sorry for us - nobody twisted our arms. Personally, I have little interest in the politics or the personalities involved. I just want to see where it goes and get a little PVP experience. I don't count in-game adversaries as real life enemies, and I hope I never do.