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Salmonella
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Salmonella on 01/04/2006 22:48:01
Edited by: Salmonella on 01/04/2006 22:47:03
 Originally by: Ghargon
oh dear lord i want to cry
EVE IS A PVP GAME!!!!!!!
ever
Let's get this straight once for all . EVE isn't a PVP game.
The beauty about the eve system is that you can be anything you want. You can mine , research , trade , agent ***** , PVP and whatever more ... Nowhere in the fora nor the description of this game does it state that it's merely a PVP game.
In short , you can do anything you want within the game environment , and EVE is not a PVP game by definition . Different characters have different professions, and do different stuff. The player fills out the role she/he wants to fullfill ...Please stop calling eve a PVP-only game...
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Eepzy Nimbles
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Salmonella
Let's get this straight once for all . EVE isn't a PVP game.
EVE's focus is on player interaction and competition between players.
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The beauty about the eve system is that you can be anything you want. You can mine
As you mine, you are competing with other players to sell your wares or minerals.
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, research
Researching is hardly a profession of its own, but at any rate, it involves competing with other players.
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, trade
This is probably the most "PVP"-esque profession in EVE. Trading involves competing with other players constantly, whether you trade NPC trade goods or player goods.
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, agent *****
This really is the only exception. Agent missions involve little to no player interaction.
Although EVE does not require anyone to fight another player in combat, but the moment you buy a single item off the market, you are competing with another player. EVE is not meant to be a single player game.
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Rei Toai
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Hades
This is a serious issue.
When you've become a character that can easily handle the high sec rats with closed eyes (such as me and most of my buddies) but are not able to defend against ZOMGWTFBBQPWN - 2 year old characters with a billion of SP, you can do exactly NO interesting ratting anymore.
So, please CCP, give us "intermediate grade" players a little more incentive for freestyle ratting. 
you want some interesting ratting?? join a anti-pirat corp ... those rats you'll hunt most of the time have a nice bounty and drop some nice loot too 
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Commander Nikolas
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:29:00 -
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Cut you a deal. You can have BS spawns in some high sec systems if concord and the faction navy take sunday off?
:)
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Sov Umat
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sov Umat on 02/04/2006 00:01:40
EDIT:WOOPS
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Tamu Vos
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tamu Vos on 02/04/2006 00:01:22
Edited by: Tamu Vos on 02/04/2006 00:00:31
this is the way I see it...
when your skills are high enough to warrant fighting the rats found in low security systems then you have sufficient skills to PvP. Don't say you just get ganked constantly because you don't if you have the slightest bit of common sense.
I'm not a particularly old player, but by keeping my wits about me, checking local, scanning, avoiding enemies which can own me, using scouts etc. I tend to stay alive plenty enough. I'm not saying I don't get owned, I just manage to avoid it more often than not. getting the c*** shot out of me, then blasting the s*** out of someone else is the way I play this game.
whatsmore I find it makes better profit to PvP rather than PvE, as people tend to have nice things you can sell, or you can ransom them, and its a damnsite more fun :)
become a pie rat, its jolly good fun :)
EDIT: posted with 2 characters.... screwed that up :S
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 02/04/2006 00:17:55
I wonder how much cpu power is spent per npc compared to a PC object on a server?
Could it be possible to despawn all npcs, prevent anchoring, pods ejecting and can dropping when a system population goes above a certain figure.. like 75users or so?
Holy goddamn, I just noticed Tamu's sig.
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Nuri Aderynn
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Posted - 2006.04.02 05:56:00 -
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I've lived the entirety of my four-month gaming life in low-sec, in one of the most heavily-pirated regions of the game, and I've never been podded. Lost a few ships, but I've still got the same body I was born with. I'm an anti-pirater and trader, and I've taken several trips to 0.0 and got home safely. If I can live the low-sec life and survive, then so can you, and if I can lose ships to pirates without whining like a baby then you can also.
This is not a serious issue. If you seriously want to massacre huge quantities of NPC rats and never risk death yourself then you're a joke. CCP should take more NPCs *out* of high-sec to discourage this kind of wimpy stupidity. |
Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:02:00 -
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I'm mostly a high-sec industrialist, but whenever I get bored of this, I go raid macro miners. They aren't hard to find, and it's a nice diversion, not to mention fairly profitable.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ghargon
If you have absolutely no idea how to look after yourself while ratting in low sec then you should not go there. If you want any advice on how to keep safe then contact me ingame and i'll tell you what you need to know.
Is Ibis a good ship for .0 ratting?
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duffmantt
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:20:00 -
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oh dear lord i want to cryShocked
EVE IS A PVP GAME!!!!!!!
This is the typical carebear whine that annoys so many people like myself.
Low sec space is completely safe as long as your not stupid and take the time to be careful.
If you have absolutely no idea how to look after yourself while ratting in low sec then you should not go there. If you want any advice on how to keep safe then contact me ingame and i'll tell you what you need to know.
And please no more posts like this ... ever
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2006.04.02 12:39:00 -
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King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Maximus Epeenus
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:05:00 -
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Oh yes, please allow us to pharm 200k belt rats in 1.0, it's bad enough that our lvl 4 agents make us occasionally when a blue moon is high go into low-sec and that most lvl 4 agent missions pay millions in high sec, OMGZ life is so unfair and pirates have it so easy, Imma go and commit suicide irl if it wasnt for the fact that its illegal :(
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 02/04/2006 13:20:27
Originally by: Ghargon
oh dear lord i want to cry
EVE IS A PVP GAME!!!!!!!
This is the typical carebear whine that annoys so many people like myself.
Low sec space is completely safe as long as your not stupid and take the time to be careful.
If you have absolutely no idea how to look after yourself while ratting in low sec then you should not go there. If you want any advice on how to keep safe then contact me ingame and i'll tell you what you need to know.
And please no more posts like this ... ever
/emote Waves to Uber Person
Hi!!!!11!! me and my buddies just got our new ships!@#11 got me a moa and my buddy just got a thorax, wanna go help us rat in egghelende? i heard amamake is really cool too!!
u can watch our backs while we get rich on the BC spawns! YEAH!3
EDIT: yeah, i know its not constructive.
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Ernest Graefenberg
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 02/04/2006 13:26:40
I don't get the deal with the millions+ of SPs is. Pack a bunch of multispecs, Sensordamps or what-have-you (ECM drones ftw) and and you'll negate lots and lots of skillpoints.
EvE hands you the tools to scoop out systems for major camps quickly - if worse comes to worse, sit at the gate and wait for some shuttle to fly through, ask him for a rapport. Avoiding beltganks is easy with the help of your scanner and local, and not being chased out of belts by every idiot is even easier with a bit of chutzpah. Having 20%-40% more firepower on the same ship, or a bigger ship, isn't going to help mister solo pirate if you're properly prepared by doing your homework (our friends scanner/local again - the same tools that make it even easier to avoid being massively ganked).
I've lost a single ship the last few weeks to low security PvP, and thats to both a silly bug (didn't get any jumpcloak) and a scout with some identification problems (turns out those 'battlecruisers' were tempests) - so a bout of bad luck. I've just crossed 2 million SP (2 months of play) and haven't really specialized.
Just a day ago or so two 3 year old, all tech2 kitted Thoraxes tried to gank me in a belt. Ended up being a killmail and about 5 million isk in loot richer for the experience. Forgot to scramble the other one quickly enough :(
So anyway. Grow a sack. Shoot people that look at you funny.
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MrFu
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:35:00 -
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I do not think that an implant(worth 40M average) or a skillbook(worth 90-100M) for every 15K lp on a lvl 3 agent that you can chain missions AFK in a BS,is calling for a ¦¦unnerf``
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Ninja1= Pirate tactics are to board our ships,kill everyone onboard and steal our treasures
Ninja2= But...we dont have any ships
Ninja1= Yes,that gives us a significant advantage
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Na'Thuul
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:57:00 -
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Cut you a deal. You can have BS spawns in some high sec systems if concord and the faction navy take sunday off?
/signed
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Ripline
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Posted - 2006.04.02 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ripline on 02/04/2006 15:46:52
If you've been around for a while the balance between high sec and low sec/0.0 seems to be far better now than it was. We've already been to the "unnerfed high sec" and it just plain didn't work. For the newer people that would be pre-nerf level 4 missions. Like getting cash shot at you with a firehose with minimal risk for anyone competent.
Going by a collective "voting-with-their-feet" count the balance is decent enough these days (as evidenced by the constantly increasing 0.0 population density), swinging it back towards high sec would be a mistake. And best defense against any player pirates is situational awareness, generally.
The game favors someone trying to escape over the hunter, as would be best demonstrated by the heart rending nonstop cry-me-river style whingeing about warp core stabs.
To make a long story short, high end game happens in the wild blue yonder of 0.0 if you've observed the trend. Mining always did, now even manufacturing is following (notice the bigger capital ships. needs system sovereignty, ie 0.0).
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:11:00 -
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Question is:
When in 0.2, ratting in a belt, pirate comes, locks + scrambles you and kills you with his missiles in 3 seconds...
...what options do people have?
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Eepzy Nimbles
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Hades
Question is:
When in 0.2, ratting in a belt, pirate comes, locks + scrambles you and kills you with his missiles in 3 seconds...
...what options do people have?
A. You rat in a quiet system and/or keep an eye on local and scanner. You warp to a safespot the moment you see someone who might threathen you
B. You make sure you are aligned most of the time or at the very least you keep an eye on your overview at all times. When someone enters your belt, you warp away. Unless they get lucky and land right within scrambler range and you have a slow ship, you will get away
C. You fit your ship decently so it doesn't die in 3 seconds when someone attacks it
D. You bring friends
E. You whine on the forums
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.04.02 18:03:00 -
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Try Sharuveil, its a great place to rat.. low sec, no stations, tons of belts, very few people in local.
Of course now I'm going to go camp that system with all of my m8s and wait for you to come so I can gank you.
Just kidding :D
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.04.02 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Maximus Epeenus
Oh yes, please allow us to pharm 200k belt rats in 1.0, it's bad enough that our lvl 4 agents make us occasionally when a blue moon is high go into low-sec and that most lvl 4 agent missions pay millions in high sec, OMGZ life is so unfair and pirates have it so easy, Imma go and commit suicide irl if it wasnt for the fact that its illegal :(
Hey now, dont you whine about the profits of Mission running, those sweet mods you get after pwning someone have to come from somewhere. Mining and Missions are the two primary starting points for money in all of EvE, and I am quite impressed with how they worked how it trickles down... Its just like in nature, when something eats something else it gets about 10% of the nutrients that the previous creature had, in this, you kill a ship you get about 10% of what was on it and the value of the ship itself :)
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