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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:06:00 -
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This is a serious issue.
When you've become a character that can easily handle the high sec rats with closed eyes (such as me and most of my buddies) but are not able to defend against ZOMGWTFBBQPWN - 2 year old characters with a billion of SP, you can do exactly NO interesting ratting anymore.
So, please CCP, give us "intermediate grade" players a little more incentive for freestyle ratting. 
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Speed Devil
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Speed Devil on 01/04/2006 15:10:10
just go to lowsec and keep ur eyes open
then u wont look stupid on the forums for whining 
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Sonlatur
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Sonlatur on 01/04/2006 15:17:08
From the start of playing i had been ratting in lowsec. Didnt have many problems.
Its not that once you enter lowsec a 20 million sp character magically appears next to you and destroys your vessel.
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Mercyless Ming
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Posted - 2006.04.01 15:23:00 -
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Look me up in-game and I'll hook you up with some "Intestinal Fortitude" mods cheap m'kay?
 Originally by: Queen Hades
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:12:00 -
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Join an alliance and go ratting in 0.0.
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Intera
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:22:00 -
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Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
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Ange1
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Intera
Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
Yes, it would be nice for you to have an area of the game where you could do everything safely. Lets throw that risk vs reward thing out the window and have everything brought to us on a plate 
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Ghargon
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:41:00 -
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oh dear lord i want to cry
EVE IS A PVP GAME!!!!!!!
This is the typical carebear whine that annoys so many people like myself.
Low sec space is completely safe as long as your not stupid and take the time to be careful.
If you have absolutely no idea how to look after yourself while ratting in low sec then you should not go there. If you want any advice on how to keep safe then contact me ingame and i'll tell you what you need to know.
And please no more posts like this ... ever
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Intera
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:51:11
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:50:09
Originally by: Ange1
Originally by: Intera
Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
Yes, it would be nice for you to have an area of the game where you could do everything safely. Lets throw that risk vs reward thing out the window and have everything brought to us on a plate
Well you would think that the risk vs. reward where NPC rats are concerned would be the toughness of them being offset by the price, not having to dodge prats while you're just trying to engage NPC's. It's also a pirate fav to warp in after someone is half way through a battle with 2 or more NPC's and it's **** annoying to be honest.
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Intera
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:51:11
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:50:09
Originally by: Ange1
Originally by: Intera
Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
Yes, it would be nice for you to have an area of the game where you could do everything safely. Lets throw that risk vs reward thing out the window and have everything brought to us on a plate
Well you would think that the risk vs. reward where NPC rats are concerned would be the toughness of them being offset by the price, not having to dodge prats while you're just trying to engage NPC's. It's also a pirate fav to warp in after someone is half way through a battle with 2 or more NPC's and it's **** annoying to be honest.
Yeah, this is my opinion too.
The problem is not "risk vs. reward", the problem is, that the risk in lowsec is so much higher than in highsec - the reward simply doesn't cover it.
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Prestis on 01/04/2006 16:58:39
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Well you would think that the risk vs. reward where NPC rats are concerned would be the toughness of them being offset by the price, not having to dodge prats while you're just trying to engage NPC's.
No, there is no risk in killing NPC rats, it's a cash farming activity on its own. Warp jammer NPC belt spawns are one in a thousand since RMR and one WCS always lets you warp out the second things turn bad.
Without PvP danger it would be as much an ISK farming activity as macro mining.
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Beastoria
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Posted - 2006.04.01 16:59:00 -
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You can gank in High sec ??
Why havent I been there ?
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DoctorDanny
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Posted - 2006.04.01 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: DoctorDanny on 01/04/2006 17:03:33
Originally by: Intera
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:51:11
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:50:09
Originally by: Ange1
Originally by: Intera
Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
Yes, it would be nice for you to have an area of the game where you could do everything safely. Lets throw that risk vs reward thing out the window and have everything brought to us on a plate
Well you would think that the risk vs. reward where NPC rats are concerned would be the toughness of them being offset by the price, not having to dodge prats while you're just trying to engage NPC's. It's also a pirate fav to warp in after someone is half way through a battle with 2 or more NPC's and it's **** annoying to be honest.
You are playing the wrong game. If you want to do your thing without getting interaction from other players then you really should look into freelancer or other offline singleplayer games.
On the other hand I agree that there should be more rewards in low sec. I try to pirate there and I must admit there aside from the occasional new player there are hardly any good targets there. I cant blame them, cause there's absolutely no good reason to go to low-sec empire at the moment. You want cash you just do the missions and if you want to mine you either stay in highsec or go to 0.0 alliance space.
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2006.04.01 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Hades
Originally by: Intera
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:51:11
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:50:09
Originally by: Ange1
Originally by: Intera
Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
Yes, it would be nice for you to have an area of the game where you could do everything safely. Lets throw that risk vs reward thing out the window and have everything brought to us on a plate
Well you would think that the risk vs. reward where NPC rats are concerned would be the toughness of them being offset by the price, not having to dodge prats while you're just trying to engage NPC's. It's also a pirate fav to warp in after someone is half way through a battle with 2 or more NPC's and it's **** annoying to be honest.
Yeah, this is my opinion too.
The problem is not "risk vs. reward", the problem is, that the risk in lowsec is so much higher than in highsec - the reward simply doesn't cover it.
Yeah, thats why the rewards of high sec should be lowered.
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Gamble Dakota
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Posted - 2006.04.01 17:51:00 -
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Haha "Serious" Find an empty lo sec system and SS whenever someone questionable enters, and stay there until they leave.
I spend 95% of my time in Low Sec, and it really isn't a problem as long as you keep your eyes peeled.
Also: Deal With It.
I shot a man in Reno... just to watch him die
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.04.01 17:57:00 -
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How can having the chance to fight the sort of rats you only normally see in 0.0 while being in 1.0 or 0.9 sec space be nerfed ?
Just cos you cant be bothered to train the skills for missions higher than lvl 1 or put in a week of grind to get to a higher lvl agent.
Highsec space is were most of the really expensive mods get sold. Work it out.
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Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2006.04.01 18:00:00 -
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Level 4 combat missions? Or is it a bit too dangerous for your liking?
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.04.01 18:20:00 -
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I've been ratting after my first two weeks in low sector, if your half smart you will learn how to avoid getting killed after the first two kills.
An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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Kahor
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Posted - 2006.04.01 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kahor on 01/04/2006 18:24:36
Edit : Double post
An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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SargeMonkey
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Posted - 2006.04.01 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Intera
Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
You suck. Learn to use the map so you can find 'pass through' station-less systems. People and pirates will not stick around for long, its very hard to keep a proloned camp, or gank squad supplied in areas like that. Look fir low travel and low ship/pod kill systems. The topic creator needs to use the map tool also.
I've been ganked a few times, but normaly I am left alone by pirates. I normaly try to start a converstion in local with them. Get alot of good tips and find some freindly people.
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Dupac
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Posted - 2006.04.01 20:08:00 -
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There are always kill missions ofc.....
But do yourself a favour and get into a decent corp and move to low sec for a while - it's a good stepping stone to 0.0 and it's not as bad as people make out. I spend 90% of my time in low sec and have done from about 2 months of playing this game. You'll probably get killed a few times at the start - but you'll soon learn and you might find you enjoy the pvp aspects of the game.
The rats are tougher but not much tougher so kit out a cheap cruiser get some insurance and you won't lose much if you die. You'll make more on loot and bounties than you will lose by being killed.
Try some of the lvl 4 agent areas in low sec - there tend to be a lot of non-pirates about (as well as pirates ofc) and you'll find a decent market for buying ammo etc. The majority of people in low sec don't shoot people randomly - just check local and the sec status of the people that come into your system.
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Intera
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Posted - 2006.04.01 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 20:33:48
Originally by: DoctorDanny
Edited by: DoctorDanny on 01/04/2006 17:03:33
Originally by: Intera
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:51:11
Edited by: Intera on 01/04/2006 16:50:09
Originally by: Ange1
Originally by: Intera
Agree to a certain extent, it would be nice to have the chance to fight high end rats without getting ganked all the time.
Yes, it would be nice for you to have an area of the game where you could do everything safely. Lets throw that risk vs reward thing out the window and have everything brought to us on a plate
Well you would think that the risk vs. reward where NPC rats are concerned would be the toughness of them being offset by the price, not having to dodge prats while you're just trying to engage NPC's. It's also a pirate fav to warp in after someone is half way through a battle with 2 or more NPC's and it's **** annoying to be honest.
You are playing the wrong game. If you want to do your thing without getting interaction from other players then you really should look into freelancer or other offline singleplayer games.
On the other hand I agree that there should be more rewards in low sec. I try to pirate there and I must admit there aside from the occasional new player there are hardly any good targets there. I cant blame them, cause there's absolutely no good reason to go to low-sec empire at the moment. You want cash you just do the missions and if you want to mine you either stay in highsec or go to 0.0 alliance space.
No, I'm not. I want interaction from other players or I wouldn't be paying for this game. What I would like is to be able to take on some relatively challenging NPC's without risking some prat and 4 of his mates jumping in when half my shield tank is gone and finishing me off. If pirates actually attacked 1 on 1 I wouldn't have any problems ratting on low sec, but they rarely or never do.
Sargemonkey, not sure if I should even respond to you because of your 12 year old beginning to your reply. Anyway, obviously you've been lucky, or you just dont mind doing 25 jump routes to get to where you want.
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:01:00 -
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im a full on pvper myself, but i totally agree with the OP
0.6 + 0.5 systems should offer more challange to intermediate level players, itll actually decrease the amount of mining carbears imo. and better the quality of future corporations as they work together better to mine the belts at the "rims".
/signed
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:02:00 -
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There is... called Missions, which imo need a nerfin.
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Queen Hades
This is a serious issue.
No it isn't
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Espen
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:41:00 -
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lawl... boohoo
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MEBHansen
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: B0rn2KiLL
0.6 + 0.5 systems should offer more challange to intermediate level players, itll actually decrease the amount of mining carbears imo. and better the quality of future corporations as they work together better to mine the belts at the "rims".
/signed
You sir, have a point...
/signed
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Okoru
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Posted - 2006.04.01 21:49:00 -
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NPCing in 0.1-0.4 imo is rediculously easy. Watch local, stay aligned, (stab the hell out of your ship) and you shouldn't have any issues with people blowing you up.
The rewards in 0.1-0.4 are fine, it's just .5+ are too rewarding. Look @ maps, there are plenty of 0.1-0.4 systems that are out of the way. Getting ganked in a 0.4 isn't CCP's fault, I believe it's your own fault for not using the tools they provided for you (local, stabs, map to look for kills in last hour, etc.).
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Eepzy Nimbles
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:09:00 -
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If you want to fight high end rats, you currently have two options:
- Run level 4 combat missions. These can be done in any security space, although they give better rewards in lower security space. If you really want to avoid every chance of PvP, you could run these missions in high security space.
- Go to 0.0 and hunt NPC pirates. This is riskier, but not all that hard to do. You could either join an alliance with access to 0.0 space, allowing you to rat with very little risk as long as you watch local. If you don't want this, use an alt scout or get someone in a tech I frigate to scout for you. You can easily get into 0.0 space this way and hunt rats with relatively little risk (once again, local is your friend).
Also, if you have 'buddies', you should be able to defend yourself in most situations. In EVE, power often comes in numbers. A billion SP doesn't make you uber, and it certainly doesn't protect you from teh blob.
There isn't any need to add more high end content for empire players. Level 4 missions were nerfed for this very reason: to force people who want more rewards and high end content to go to lower security space. Risk vs reward .
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:36:00 -
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The people do have a point. Once you actually talk to someone about how to avoid being pie-rated it's very easy to no longer die.
And safety does come in numbers. If someone warps in on 3 or 4 Cruisers they're not going to stick around.
Find a cushy 0.2 and rat to to your hearts content. Stay with your group and yo'll be fine.
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