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Sha Dar
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:28:00 -
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Outnumbered but still you jumped in and fought, main winner - Lag, but respect on the move nonetheless.
However, the level of smack in EC- local was excessive,and very childish.
We can but hope that CCP got some good info from stress testing with a GM in local at one point, and improve things for things of this magnitude. Never in a game have I seen its like, Long Live EVE
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:30:00 -
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Signed.
- gobbins
- Gob
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Zeonick
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:31:00 -
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Meh, the lag wasn't that bad, you just had to think in 20 second delays. Once you had that down, it was easier to understand what was going on.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:31:00 -
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Was that what all the spam in german was? smack?
I figured they were complimenting me on my devestatingly good looks.
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:33:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: Zeonick
Meh, the lag wasn't that bad, you just had to think in 20 second delays. Once you had that down, it was easier to understand what was going on.
fc was calling primaries and they never showed up on my screen :\
- Gob
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Abyss Jack
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:33:00 -
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sign
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SamMaster
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: SamMaster on 01/04/2006 22:35:38
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Zeonick
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Zeonick
Meh, the lag wasn't that bad, you just had to think in 20 second delays. Once you had that down, it was easier to understand what was going on.
fc was calling primaries and they never showed up on my screen :\
Haha, yeah, that happened to me too. Then all of a sudden they'd pop up. A few times I'd try to target a ship and it'd already be dead, but for the most part things were okay. It was playable for me.
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Obidios
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:37:00 -
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Entire battle past me by, only the friendlies loaded and 1 hostile enyo which some other fcker killed jus as I locked.
Nice one tho G, let's do it again soon.
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Sha Dar
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:38:00 -
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I was lagged out a fair bit but it did update eventually, It was wierd though waiting for what seemed like an eternity for target lock and mods to activate but to also have chat spamming away at normal speed.
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Entreri Finwe
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Entreri Finwe on 01/04/2006 22:39:17
Lag not bad? I recived intel about 100+ hostiles, I saw THREE (3) uncloak... 
Props to G and rest for jumping in though...
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:43:00 -
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That was one of those times when G/IRON/Northern Monkeys were damned if they didn't try something and damned if they did.
I wouldn't have wanted to be one of their leaders tonight.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Shanzem
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:47:00 -
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i missed all the fun i was at the station taking a pee 
congratz and respect on jumping in 
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slip66
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:48:00 -
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:( I never saw anything....
Originally by: StOrM ViPeR
Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers |
Kebabbinn
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:52:00 -
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So do people get refunded when the loose ships to this lagmonster?
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Sha Dar
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kebabbinn
So do people get refunded when the loose ships to this lagmonster?
No, but if it's ridiculously bad, you can always try your luck with the petition lottery :)
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.01 22:57:00 -
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That was the first time I was happy to E-Warp.
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
That was one of those times when G/IRON/Northern Monkeys
Please a bit more respect ...
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Blacklight
That was one of those times when G/IRON/Northern Monkeys
Please a bit more respect ...
WW.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:31:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Blacklight
That was one of those times when G/IRON/Northern Monkeys
Please a bit more respect ...
WW.
ROFL
WW's legacy is going to plague DAB till the day they die.
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vladdy2
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:32:00 -
[21]
meh
<< monkey here
reloging into teh system now so i can get teh podding and continue onto other stuff.
please shoot meh
kthksbye
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:35:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Wizie
ROFL
WW's legacy is going to plague DAB till the day they die.
Yeah, cheap but irresistable shot that 
Anyway, I always call all the other random northern corps/alliances Northern Monkeys, it's not meant particularly offensively I'm just not going to list them all cos it would take all night.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:43:00 -
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Plus, northerners, are monkeys, I've seen them dragging their knuckles.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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BadManEdmundo
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: BadManEdmundo on 01/04/2006 23:54:03
Originally by: Dianabolic
Plus, northerners, are monkeys, I've seen them dragging their knuckles.
Or you could walk with your back arched, you southern fairy.
Oh wait, I moved :(
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Stain- Alliance, It's an Alliance Jim, but not as we know it |
WildCard
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:55:00 -
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Quote:
I wouldn't have wanted to be one of their leaders tonight.
Of corse not, You aren't enough for that.
-WildCard CEO SteelVipers-
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monkiboi
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Posted - 2006.04.01 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Plus, northerners, are monkeys, I've seen them dragging their knuckles.
Oi! I resemble that remark 
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WARPIG3
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: WARPIG3 on 02/04/2006 00:03:48
<---- a Proud Northern Monkey
Blacklight: What does that make you?
Southern monkey
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Degarion Soth
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Plus, northerners, are monkeys, I've seen them dragging their knuckles.
Go drink some shandy ya southern poofta..
(and yes i know you live 30 mins away, but its 30mins southwards)
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:11:00 -
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I've seen very few Jessies here ...
oh, WTB Wyvern. Hint.
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:15:00 -
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/me is not a northern monkey. I've at least obtained the level of chimp.
You damn euro guys need to put in a late shift once in a while so I can get into a propper fleet. WTS real life, comes with job, money, own place, sex. Will trade for eve life.
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:18:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Lorth
/me is not a northern monkey. I've at least obtained the level of chimp.
You damn euro guys need to put in a late shift once in a while so I can get into a propper fleet. WTS real life, comes with job, money, own place, sex. Will trade for eve life.
I'll take the sex and money part, pass on the job front though.
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
/me is not a northern monkey. I've at least obtained the level of chimp.
You damn euro guys need to put in a late shift once in a while so I can get into a propper fleet. WTS real life, comes with job, money, own place, sex. Will trade for eve life.
You didn't miss anything ... just a huge session of lag. Didnt t even saw a enemy ...just the clone station ... 
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Kayenne
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:36:00 -
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G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 02/04/2006 00:39:23
Post with your main and alternatively figure out what happened first. A quite significant part of the fleet that jumped in survived.
Obviously, nothing crashed because the invaders had requested additional CPU for the weekend.
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
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Kayenne
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:49:00 -
[36]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
Why lose so much to protect these TRUST hobbits?
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:50:00 -
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Why bother replying to questions made by an alt?
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:51:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
EC is the main gateway into our regions, you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
It's less about TRUST and more about our goddamned backyard.
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
F.R.E.E. Explorer |
Obidios
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:51:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Obidios on 02/04/2006 00:51:06
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
2.1
Why lose so much to protect these TRUST hobbits?
2.1
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Obidios
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:56:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
EC is the main gateway into our regions, you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
It's less about TRUST and more about our goddamned backyard.
So you need TRUST to have sovrenity in EC to be able to get back to you bistot or what you have up there? You brought these peopel etc cos u couldnt wait till we are done with poor old neutral TRUST Alliance, all in aid of jumping into 0,0, ok.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:58:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Obidios
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
EC is the main gateway into our regions, you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
It's less about TRUST and more about our goddamned backyard.
So you need TRUST to have sovrenity in EC to be able to get back to you bistot or what you have up there? You brought these peopel etc cos u couldnt wait till we are done with poor old neutral TRUST Alliance, all in aid of jumping into 0,0, ok.
I don't understand what is so hard to comprehend about "we don't want you in our backyard"
It isn't rocket science.
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
F.R.E.E. Explorer |
Kayenne
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Posted - 2006.04.02 00:59:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA
It's ok, its obvious to everyone not a G pet that TRUST is their alt front.
Maybe BOB can install a tissue factory in their new outpost for you.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:00:00 -
[43]
blah blah blah blah hi im an alt blah blah
damn retards
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
F.R.E.E. Explorer |
Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:02:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA
It's ok, its obvious to everyone not a G pet that TRUST is their alt front.
Maybe BOB can install a tissue factory in their new outpost for you.
I pity this sad little w/o a clue hobbit alt
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Kayenne
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:08:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA
It's ok, its obvious to everyone not a G pet that TRUST is their alt front.
Maybe BOB can install a tissue factory in their new outpost for you.
I pity this sad little w/o a clue hobbit alt
I pity your TRUST alts.
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Kayenne
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:08:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
blah blah blah blah hi im an alt blah blah
damn retards
My sentaments exactly
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Obidios
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:10:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Obidios on 02/04/2006 01:12:41
oh I'm nearly belieing it myself
edit spaces and an extra y.
WTB ALT.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:10:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Lorth
/me is not a northern monkey. I've at least obtained the level of chimp.
You damn euro guys need to put in a late shift once in a while so I can get into a propper fleet. WTS real life, comes with job, money, own place, sex. Will trade for eve life.
/emote attempts to recruit Lorth
Eve Blacklight Style
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:11:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Eskiban Vlasic on 02/04/2006 01:11:44
apparently it IS rocket science.
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
F.R.E.E. Explorer |
SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:19:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Edited by: Eskiban Vlasic on 02/04/2006 01:11:44
apparently it IS rocket science.
Jesus you freee guys are morons.
We are just taking out the POS in EC-P and leaving.
******* noobs.
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:20:00 -
[51]
Originally by: SweatySack
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Edited by: Eskiban Vlasic on 02/04/2006 01:11:44
apparently it IS rocket science.
Jesus you freee guys are morons.
We are just taking out the POS in EC-P and leaving.
******* noobs.
oops...wrong char.
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Coasterbrian
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:26:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
Don't be silly. If G/IRON/Whoever really cared all that much about the TRUST POSs, they would have showed up yesterday when the BoB/5 dreads were shooting the POSs into reinforced mode. As one of the Northern guys stated, it's less about the POSs and more about the fact that nobody not blue to BoB/5/ASCN has gotten through EC since 18:00 yesterday. And in case you hadn't noticed, EC is the main chokepoint into Pure Blind, Fade, and Deklein. I know I'd find it quite irritating and inconvenient if the primary way in and out of my home was blockaded by at least 100 enemies 23/7.
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Originally by: riker to thebold
first post w/ your main.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:28:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/04/2006 01:29:58
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA
It's ok, its obvious to everyone not a G pet that TRUST is their alt front.
Maybe BOB can install a tissue factory in their new outpost for you.
I pity this sad little w/o a clue hobbit alt
I pity your TRUST alts.
CE has infact no active OE alts anymore, bend your mind, put your a$$ in the mouth and make a handstand - it wont change the FACT that its true.
You may eg. convo Spikum from BNC ingame who was former OE and CE, he knows the facts now also.
Your intel sucks, it sucks terribly! I laughed at the fact though, that the first MS CE bought for a stupid amount of isk from TRUST was safe 1 day before you attacked, which again tells me that your intel is incredibly stoneold, flawed and plain wrong.
Also the "uber"-intel and order that was given out by Cyvok that ASCN coverts should scout and petition "macrominers" from G. Its ridiculous, if u had half a brain then u would actually know that G space simply is that poor.
Pet yourself on the back and feel safe in the lamest blob ever, that infact doesnt "get the job done" infact it NOW may bring Trust closer to the north, abandoning neutrality.
I pity your spies. They suck.
/rant off
gosh, im glad that im out of this now. alliance warfare is so boring now with hundreds of NAPs. seems most of the 0,0 alliances have lost their balls if they had any.
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:31:00 -
[54]
1st, OMFG Sweaty.
2nd, you have no idea what we had planned to do by jumping into EC, but crashing the server was the last thing on our minds, as it had handled all kinds of traffic the previous 24 hours.
Still though, its a pretty amazing feeling when you jump 100 into 400 and live to laugh about it. We're still scratching our heads on how you guys busted a 120AU safe spot in a matter of minutes.
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Monarch
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:40:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/04/2006 01:29:58
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA
It's ok, its obvious to everyone not a G pet that TRUST is their alt front.
Maybe BOB can install a tissue factory in their new outpost for you.
I pity this sad little w/o a clue hobbit alt
I pity your TRUST alts.
CE has infact no active OE alts anymore, bend your mind, put your a$$ in the mouth and make a handstand - it wont change the FACT that its true.
You may eg. convo Spikum from BNC ingame who was former OE and CE, he knows the facts now also.
Your intel sucks, it sucks terribly! I laughed at the fact though, that the first MS CE bought for a stupid amount of isk from TRUST was safe 1 day before you attacked, which again tells me that your intel is incredibly stoneold, flawed and plain wrong.
Also the "uber"-intel and order that was given out by Cyvok that ASCN coverts should scout and petition "macrominers" from G. Its ridiculous, if u had half a brain then u would actually know that G space simply is that poor.
Pet yourself on the back and feel safe in the lamest blob ever, that infact doesnt "get the job done" infact it NOW may bring Trust closer to the north, abandoning neutrality.
I pity your spies. They suck.
/rant off
gosh, im glad that im out of this now. alliance warfare is so boring now with hundreds of NAPs. seems most of the 0,0 alliances have lost their balls if they had any.
LOL STFU and go swallow a knife
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Xhangui Zai
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:41:00 -
[56]
Originally by: NATMav
We're still scratching our heads on how you guys busted a 120AU safe spot in a matter of minutes.
U SERIOUS?
If so that explains alot about why you lose.
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:42:00 -
[57]
Originally by: SweatySack
Originally by: SweatySack
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Edited by: Eskiban Vlasic on 02/04/2006 01:11:44
apparently it IS rocket science.
Jesus you freee guys are morons.
We are just taking out the POS in EC-P and leaving.
******* noobs.
oops...wrong char.
ahahahahha
I <3 U sweaty
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
F.R.E.E. Explorer |
NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:44:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Xhangui Zai
Originally by: NATMav
We're still scratching our heads on how you guys busted a 120AU safe spot in a matter of minutes.
U SERIOUS?
If so that explains alot about why you lose.
Well yeah, considering multiple pilots never saw a probe on scanner.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:45:00 -
[59]
Will be a shame if this turns into another 'hide in plain sight' 20 page flame, since it was started on a nice non-smak note. But it's alts really eh. 
-omg-
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:45:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Coasterbrian
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
Don't be silly. If G/IRON/Whoever really cared all that much about the TRUST POSs, they would have showed up yesterday when the BoB/5 dreads were shooting the POSs into reinforced mode. As one of the Northern guys stated, it's less about the POSs and more about the fact that nobody not blue to BoB/5/ASCN has gotten through EC since 18:00 yesterday. And in case you hadn't noticed, EC is the main chokepoint into Pure Blind, Fade, and Deklein. I know I'd find it quite irritating and inconvenient if the primary way in and out of my home was blockaded by at least 100 enemies 23/7.
Do you happen to have a degree in rocket science? 
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:46:00 -
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Well i was saying this when the TRUST outpost was built. Its the perfect staging ground for an attack on the north. Go back and check i called this when it went up.
For those wondering why G/IRON are attemping to fight the biggest blob ever to save EC its so you guys cant simply plug their empire route and/or jumpclone in whenever you want. Its really not that hard to figure out.... Yeah its foolish and TRUST may or may not have been bias towards G/IRON but come on... You cant expect to get a station in the North and expect no resistance.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar
Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Shirei
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Monarch
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 02/04/2006 01:29:58
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Kayenne
Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
you stupid ******* smacktastic alt.
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA
It's ok, its obvious to everyone not a G pet that TRUST is their alt front.
Maybe BOB can install a tissue factory in their new outpost for you.
I pity this sad little w/o a clue hobbit alt
I pity your TRUST alts.
CE has infact no active OE alts anymore, bend your mind, put your a$$ in the mouth and make a handstand - it wont change the FACT that its true.
You may eg. convo Spikum from BNC ingame who was former OE and CE, he knows the facts now also.
Your intel sucks, it sucks terribly! I laughed at the fact though, that the first MS CE bought for a stupid amount of isk from TRUST was safe 1 day before you attacked, which again tells me that your intel is incredibly stoneold, flawed and plain wrong.
Also the "uber"-intel and order that was given out by Cyvok that ASCN coverts should scout and petition "macrominers" from G. Its ridiculous, if u had half a brain then u would actually know that G space simply is that poor.
Pet yourself on the back and feel safe in the lamest blob ever, that infact doesnt "get the job done" infact it NOW may bring Trust closer to the north, abandoning neutrality.
I pity your spies. They suck.
/rant off
gosh, im glad that im out of this now. alliance warfare is so boring now with hundreds of NAPs. seems most of the 0,0 alliances have lost their balls if they had any.
LOL STFU and go swallow a knife
Wrong character Kayenne?
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Xhangui Zai
Originally by: NATMav
We're still scratching our heads on how you guys busted a 120AU safe spot in a matter of minutes.
U SERIOUS?
If so that explains alot about why you lose.
Well yeah, considering multiple pilots never saw a probe on scanner.
Natmav the deep space uber probes detect 'super safe spots' with just one launch much more easily than a 'close' one (as long as its not so close it falls within 3au)
Need a kind of medium one really.
-omg-
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djNME
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:47:00 -
[64]
Edited by: djNME on 02/04/2006 01:49:34
"ROFL
WW's legacy is going to plague DAB till the day they die."
SHut your mouth unless you know.DAB is more than me or anyone that posts on these forums.I stand by everything that was said and will say it again if needed.
However Dark Angel Battalion is over 8 years old and no plans on ever being anything but the best of pilots and friends.It will out last me and my pranks and comments.Maybe your corp/clan hangs on the opinions of others but not mine.Our KB speaks for itself and any talking can be done in game by my main.So thanks for the comment, but know what wtf your talking about.
thanks
djNME
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
gosh, im glad that im out of this now. alliance warfare is so boring now with hundreds of NAPs. seems most of the 0,0 alliances have lost their balls if they had any.
Sounds like you need to get out of it for a bit
Eve Blacklight Style
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:49:00 -
[66]
In Before KalenedÖ
-omg-
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:49:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Wizie on 02/04/2006 01:49:23
Originally by: djNME
SHut your mouth unless you know.DAB is more than me or anyone that posts on these forums.I stand by everything that was said and will say it again if needed.
However Dark Angel Battalion is over 8 years old and no plans on ever being anything but the best of pilots and friends.It will out last me and my pranks and comments.Maybe your corp/clan hangs on the opinions of others but not mine.Our KB speaks for itself and any talking can be done in game by my main.So thanks for the comment, but know what wtf your talking about.
thanks
djNME
If you stood by it, why were you using an alt?
Ahh so you can justify blatant trolling/flaming with alts under the "prank" explanation.
ROFL.. pathetic.
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djNME
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:53:00 -
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The funny thing as you can see I'm not normaly a forum *****.I had tons of fun using propaganda and anti propaganda and would do it again.I don't base what I do on your likes or thoughts.See I don't have to justify what I do, to you or anyone else.
Each person is their own person and responsible for their own actions.Anyone that thinks one person represents a whole groups views is just stupid.
djNME
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grizouh
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:54:00 -
[69]
steady woody ;o)
to the disappointed bandwagonjumper-alt:
we actually did break the barrier, if you like it or not.
you ask why? maybe cose so many peeps asked us to "bring it" in the other thread although they knew it was quite impossible and never expected us to jump in? ^^
safespotbusting: the ss has been used longer than just a few minutes... even though it was a deep space one
anyhow, i also survived that one 
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.02 01:59:00 -
[70]
Originally by: djNME
The funny thing as you can see I'm not normaly a forum *****.I had tons of fun using propaganda and anti propaganda and would do it again.I don't base what I do on your likes or thoughts.See I don't have to justify what I do, to you or anyone else.
Each person is their own person and responsible for their own actions.Anyone that thinks one person represents a whole groups views is just stupid.
djNME
I could care less what you do to justifty your actions. What I do care about is your corps high/mighty atitude asking BOB/5 to hold to some standard which you blatantly overlook.
Its funny... Very funny.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:06:00 -
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djnme, ur a joke - every man who holds somethin bout reputation here in eve and honour laughs bout you.
to g/iron, brave move - unfortately even the new server arent rdy for this kind of battles yet,
next time then maybe ;).
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Kayenne
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:07:00 -
[72]
Originally by: djNME
I stand by everything that was said and will say it again if needed.
Does this include the whole post on page 15 where you pretend to be just back to the game through a friend using the Power of Two. You went to such extent to lie to cover your flaming.
You truely are an embarrasment.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:28:00 -
[73]
Originally by: djNME
The funny thing as you can see I'm not normaly a forum *****.I had tons of fun using propaganda and anti propaganda and would do it again.I don't base what I do on your likes or thoughts.See I don't have to justify what I do, to you or anyone else.
Each person is their own person and responsible for their own actions.Anyone that thinks one person represents a whole groups views is just stupid.
djNME
Hello laughing stock, meet community derision.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Karunel
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:33:00 -
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People using alts to smack in the boards should get their accounts banned inmediately. Boards would a better place for all 
A pity I was getting le drunk and missed it, don't leave the North yet BoBFiveASCNF-E I want to be killed some more!
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:37:00 -
[75]
djNME:
Woodlouse: are you really leaving? :\ its wasnt an april fools then I take it  ?
gl man hope rl has good things waiting for u
- Gob
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SweatySack
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:41:00 -
[76]
Ok...all of you need to calm a down a bit.
The first step to recovery is to find out who will have my man babies.
Second step....
Third step. Profit
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:43:00 -
[77]
I thought I was your man***** :(
- Vlasic of TW Fame
The Suicidal Newb
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.04.02 02:53:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
djNME:
Woodlouse: are you really leaving? :\ its wasnt an april fools then I take it ?
gl man hope rl has good things waiting for u
Im not leaving the game, gobbins, im simply to addicted to it
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.04.02 03:01:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Kayenne
G/IRON/PETS knew they were jumping into an impossible situation. They hoped the server would crash and they would then have a fleet in EC. There is NO honor in suiciding all your pilots trying to break the server. You knew you couldn't break the lockdown. Your only hope was to break the game and you failed.
Why is it that G would go to such lengths to protect TRUST's assests? Tht folks is the 64M isk question.
God, give it a rest.
Some people get so fired up over pixels it becomes irritating to watch. If they wanted into the system all it would take is for half the northerners to activate jump clones, and TRUST to hand them ships which would normally be on the market, since they are after all.. G's pawns. Something which was made obvious yesterday when half of them posted in Blacklight's thread with hurt feelings.
Making a move isn't really proving anything, and if they wanted to crash the server they should of came yesterday when local was at 700.. not 350. Ballsy tbh.
Cmd Woodlouse, you need to take a chill pill too. Its not every day you get to be so close to our capital sized epeens
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2006.04.02 03:20:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Rift Scorn on 02/04/2006 03:22:55
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
blah blah blah , quote many alts, blah, blah, i got so drunk i threw up whilst hitting a POS, glad i had the mic off for that one , blah, blah, blah, many replies, blah, blah, etc, etc, blah, blah, no YOU go the intell wrong, blah, blah, no YOU did, blah, blah ..... and it goes on
Feels good to be out of public relations eh?
Why you think i never bothered in the first place ....
I'm too pished to find an Owl for the right situation 
Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03! |
F'nog
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Posted - 2006.04.02 04:25:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Sochin
Was that what all the spam in german was? smack?
I figured they were complimenting me on my devestatingly good looks.
Nice.
One day, perhaps something will happen that isn't in the middle of work/RL responsibilities.
Originally by: Bl4zer
But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
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Destable
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Posted - 2006.04.02 04:42:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Destable on 02/04/2006 04:43:53
I sooo seriously want to create a corp called "Northern Monkeys" now Blacklight.
As soon as I do a "Tyrents" corp for JF, I'm on it! It's on the list!
Edit: Wait... "[NTM] Northern Tyranical Monkeys?"
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.02 05:42:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Destable
Edited by: Destable on 02/04/2006 04:43:53
I sooo seriously want to create a corp called "Northern Monkeys" now Blacklight.
As soon as I do a "Tyrents" corp for JF, I'm on it! It's on the list!
Edit: Wait... "[NTM] Northern Tyranical Monkeys?"
Northern Tyrannical Monkeys has quite the ring to it
Eve Blacklight Style
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.02 06:51:00 -
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I'm not a fan of the game mechanics that lead to these impossible situations (IMHO POS dreadnaughts and carriers should all be much less powerful, much more accessible and much different).
However I will give credit where credit is due, that was a balsy move. I don't think they were trying to lag out the server. In thier case there was a (small) chance of effecting a breakout by destroying the bubbles on the gate. Even if they lost half of thier forces in the attempt, a raiding group with enough BS would have been able to hinder the operation sigificantly.
Irregardless, as to the operation. Like it or not it was pretty much an inevitability. There are few entities capable of production and logistics on the scale required for Motherships and titans. It is highly doubtful that ASCN or BOB would sell them a mothership, which leaves one other option. TRUST may or may not have been in active collusion with Mordor...err I mean G/IRON/RAZOR, however they present the sole route of acquisition for RFBS (Really Big !@#$ing ships) as well as a significant surplus capacity for the acquisition of BFS (Big @#%^ing Ships) such as dreads or carriers. This decision is only strengthened from a strategic perspective when one tallies that ASCN and BOB do not benefit from TRUST's operations in this Arena because of thier domestic capability, thus allowing the introduction of a significant impediment into the northern Alliances ability to acquire and leverage RFBS without adversely affecting our ability to do the same. That alone is sound justification for the choice of targets.
I make no statement as far as the intelligence, I'm just an ordinary hobbit who shoots who he is told. However I see a valid and strong case for this path of action. I'll reiterate that the opinions expressed here do NOT represent Ascenia or the Fellowship (Bob/5), and that I'm just a poor little Hobbit with an opinion.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.02 06:55:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Gierling
However I will give credit where credit is due, that was a balsy move. I don't think they were trying to lag out the server. In thier case there was a (small) chance of effecting a breakout by destroying the bubbles on the gate. Even if they lost half of thier forces in the attempt, a raiding group with enough BS would have been able to hinder the operation sigificantly.
We have a winner!
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 07:32:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Sha Dar
Outnumbered but still you jumped in and fought, main winner - Lag, but respect on the move nonetheless.
However, the level of smack in EC- local was excessive,and very childish.
We can but hope that CCP got some good info from stress testing with a GM in local at one point, and improve things for things of this magnitude. Never in a game have I seen its like, Long Live EVE
I'm still curious about the reasons they jumped. Is it bad leadership, sucky scouts, trying to crash the server or attempt suicide on a balls show?
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.02 07:39:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: Sha Dar
Outnumbered but still you jumped in and fought, main winner - Lag, but respect on the move nonetheless.
However, the level of smack in EC- local was excessive,and very childish.
We can but hope that CCP got some good info from stress testing with a GM in local at one point, and improve things for things of this magnitude. Never in a game have I seen its like, Long Live EVE
I'm still curious about the reasons they jumped. Is it bad leadership, sucky scouts, trying to crash the server or attempt suicide on a balls show?
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop?
The world may never know.
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 07:51:00 -
[88]
Is a valid question, don't get so worked up about it. Just wanted to grasp the reasons.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.02 07:54:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Is a valid question, don't get so worked up about it. Just wanted to grasp the reasons.
I'm not worked up, but if you read deeper, you might find out.
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What Nothing
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Posted - 2006.04.02 07:58:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
I'm still curious about the reasons they jumped. Is it bad leadership, sucky scouts, trying to crash the server or attempt suicide on a balls show?
You think maybe someone wanna have fun playing the game? Like "We are gonna jump, loose, but it will be damn funny"?
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 07:59:00 -
[91]
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Is a valid question, don't get so worked up about it. Just wanted to grasp the reasons.
I'm not worked up, but if you read deeper, you might find out.
Your answer to my question on "why they did it" states something about licking a Tootsi Roll, but unfortunately they don't sell tootsi rolls in Romania so i don't know what the hell that is, so this is as deep as i can go
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
Zephirz
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:01:00 -
[92]
Yeah i wonder why they jumped too.. they were outnumbered 3:1 maybe even 4:1 at some point in the system (not nearly everyone was at the gate they jumped in tho)
Anyways gf for those that could see what was going on :P
So respect to g/iron/rzr and more respect to ascn/bob/atuk/and all other allies cause w3 R t3h r0ckz0r :P
And ppl shouldnt get so fed up about smack... i think most of the people arent serious about what they say, its still a game and what would happen to the game if everyone is always nice to eachother???
ps. i saw a polaris frig eve ftw
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Sextus Licinius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:04:00 -
[93]
Originally by: What Nothing
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
I'm still curious about the reasons they jumped. Is it bad leadership, sucky scouts, trying to crash the server or attempt suicide on a balls show?
You think maybe someone wanna have fun playing the game? Like "We are gonna jump, loose, but it will be damn funny"?
I have asked these question ruling out the posibility that GIRON finds funny to lose ships jumping on certain death. There are some GIRON alts following the same patterns so you've just made a believer out of me.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" |
Sha Dar
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:08:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Sha Dar on 02/04/2006 08:09:08
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
I'm still curious about the reasons they jumped. Is it bad leadership, sucky scouts, trying to crash the server or attempt suicide on a balls show?
I'm nothing but a Peon, and despise politics, but i would hazard a guess it was a couple of things.
1. A desire to be seen to be doing something other than rolling over and playing dead, instead of just forum whoring.
2. A desire to get ships into the system to provide accurate intel and just maybe, if lucky, cause a little mayhem and disruption.
On the server crashing theory, no, I don't buy it, as I know for a fact the composition of the fleet that jumped in and it didn't comprise of haulers full of shuttles etc...
That, and we had had more in local the previous day without whatever ccp added to the mix in anticipation of this.
I've said it before, and i'll say it again ... Long Live EVE
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NoNameNewbie
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:15:00 -
[95]
massive probs to G/IRON
and massive LoL to CCP for being unable to deal with it
i was there, i waited for **** to loadup, 20mins later i logged without seeing ****
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Rei Toai
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:20:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: What Nothing
You think maybe someone wanna have fun playing the game? Like "We are gonna jump, loose, but it will be damn funny"?
I have asked these question ruling out the posibility that GIRON finds funny to lose ships jumping on certain death.
Probably G/IRON finds it funny jumping into certain death, and not to loose that much ships ..
/me thinks the survivors got a nice rush of adrenaline
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.04.02 08:30:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Zeonick
Meh, the lag wasn't that bad, you just had to think in 20 second delays. Once you had that down, it was easier to understand what was going on.
12 minutes load time for EC anyone?  Nice you had no lag though. Has to be a Hax!!!
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CLEISTHENES2
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:03:00 -
[98]
Its about blady time for a change G/IRON jumped in
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omghi 2u
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:27:00 -
[99]
hey guys what's going on in here?
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:32:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
I'm still curious about the reasons they jumped. Is it bad leadership, sucky scouts, trying to crash the server or attempt suicide on a balls show?
On a personal note, I will tell you why I jumped...
Because you were there.
In the end a lot of us died, but now there is a fleet in EC, at least you will have to check your overview from time to time
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:47:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Sextus Licinius
Originally by: Sha Dar
Outnumbered but still you jumped in and fought, main winner - Lag, but respect on the move nonetheless.
However, the level of smack in EC- local was excessive,and very childish.
We can but hope that CCP got some good info from stress testing with a GM in local at one point, and improve things for things of this magnitude. Never in a game have I seen its like, Long Live EVE
I'm still curious about the reasons they jumped. Is it bad leadership, sucky scouts, trying to crash the server or attempt suicide on a balls show?
(Paraphrase)
Friday night: "Why didn't G/IRON/RZR jump in and engage? They must suck!"
Saturday night: "Why did G/IRON/RZR jump in and engage? They must suck!"
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Evane McRory
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:55:00 -
[102]
Well for one think it was pretty ballsy of the guys to jump in. And I'd like to think it's what I would have done.
Far better to take 30% losses on jump in and have 70% now in station. They easily have enough pilots to do fly-bys on the pos killing, or gate camping teams.
As to the jumping to certain death - well that seens to me to be a pretty cool thing to do too - allways better to engage and lose than not engage at all.
respect.
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Joram McRory
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Posted - 2006.04.02 09:56:00 -
[103]
Bah - stupid Alts.
My little sister posted my message ^^
Joram
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Anthony Cash
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:14:00 -
[104]
It's good that they jumped in and that some of them (majority?) survived, cause it's prolly gonna be more interesting now. I would like to see them waiting to see if our forces at some gate are a bit smaller and then would like to see them trying to zerg us, so we can fight them and have some damn fun. I want to belive that talks about trying to crash the server/node are rubbish. They are here, let's try to kill them.
My opininons, not CoRM's or ASCN's.
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Luciender
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:22:00 -
[105]
Originally by: NoNameNewbie
and massive LoL to CCP for being unable to deal with it
i was there, i waited for **** to loadup, 20mins later i logged without seeing ****
CCP cant handle it due to players, no matter how much CCP will upgrade the server... will ALWAYS bring more and more pilots to fit as many as they can into a selected system.
i mean look, before the upgrades... they brought 100-200 each side on the brink of node death. now you both (Bob / Ascn etc v G / Iron etc) brought what... 600 people between you? even if they increase the cap to 600 smoothley, you both would probably bring close to 900 or so people into that system :S
shame really. ruins the fun.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:26:00 -
[106]
There's an obvious solution to this problem :P
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:27:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
There's an obvious solution to this problem :P
FTL Quantumcomputers?
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Mitchello
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:29:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Zephirz
ps. i saw a polaris frig eve ftw
We'll probably see YAWN bit (Yet Another Weird Newsitem) soon.
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Halada
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:32:00 -
[109]
This topic had started well and fell once again into some kindergarten flaming. Some of you are children. Get some fu**ing sense of maturity for christ's sake. The reason that makes EvE an awesome game is that the universe is not plagued by thousands of kids or immature teenagers ruining the fun.
 G attempted a BS incursion to secure a small enought fleet to be able to gank gates when the fleet is in smaller numbers, possibly to let more BS in perhaps. KUDOS to that, at least they tried something.
All of you saying they just log in to have servers crash... well, I just can't imagine how sad you must be to say things like that.
This alt-rubbish has to stop. If the people posting here do not have the balls to carry the consequences of their acts (parallel with kindergarden is strong here) they have the right to do so. Ignore them and let them go with little pride they have left.
All southern alliances reunited in one big strike. The operation has been going on for a while (~40 hours), and it's the biggest blob in the EvE timeline. So far, it's been a success. Why can't you recognize this is a nice accomplishment ? G DID try to reciplicate, and will still do. Yesterday they tried something against all odds, at least these 100 pilots had the guts to defend their territory (yeah yeah, it's TRUST territory, but we all know now this is G' Captial Shipyard).
KUDOS to G for trying smth bold, and kudos to ACSN, BoB, Axiom and other alliances for this operation. If you can't even see the truth in those facts and prefer to fire away with you childish flamings, I don't give a tiny rat's ass.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:43:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
There's an obvious solution to this problem :P
FTL Quantumcomputers?
"Stop blobbing" ;)
(I accept that this was a one-off op designed to avoid actual PvP wherever possible, and I understand the motivations for it, even if server stability did/does give a huge advantage to the defending side. As a result of this, however, I'm fully expecting combat to drop back down to "sane" fleet sizes once BoB's work in EC is concluded, for the sake of all PvPers everywhere.)
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.04.02 10:46:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
There's an obvious solution to this problem :P
FTL Quantumcomputers?
"Stop blobbing" ;)
(I accept that this was a one-off op designed to avoid actual PvP wherever possible, and I understand the motivations for it, even if server stability did/does give a huge advantage to the defending side. As a result of this, however, I'm fully expecting combat to drop back down to "sane" fleet sizes once BoB's work in EC is concluded, for the sake of all PvPers everywhere.)
best post concerning this whole situation to date
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Ramireza
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:06:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
gosh, im glad that im out of this now. alliance warfare is so boring now with hundreds of NAPs. seems most of the 0,0 alliances have lost their balls if they had any.
Sounds like you need to get out of it for a bit
No blacklight, that "lets nap everyone" **** realy sucks.
I EVER loved large fleetbattle¦s, but now we have 200 vs 200 and more most times, and THAT sucks totaly.
Woody was right, most alliances just want to "grow" in space, isk, capital ships, bpo¦s and such stuff. That bores me...
BTW : Thats only MY personal opinion
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The Cursed
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:15:00 -
[113]
You guys Brings Friggys to fight or did you upgrade to to t1 cruisers this time.
GODS Is Dead!! Beer em Good!!!!!!!
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Ramireza
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:18:00 -
[114]
Originally by: The Cursed
You guys Brings Friggys to fight or did you upgrade to to t1 cruisers this time.
pardon ?
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The Cursed
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:22:00 -
[115]
Post Aim at AF. It was pretty Clear. AF=Friggies
GODS Is Dead!! Beer em Good!!!!!!!
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:26:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Destable
Edited by: Destable on 02/04/2006 04:43:53
I sooo seriously want to create a corp called "Northern Monkeys" now Blacklight.
As soon as I do a "Tyrents" corp for JF, I'm on it! It's on the list!
Edit: Wait... "[NTM] Northern Tyranical Monkeys?"
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Pectus Amplus
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:28:00 -
[117]
Originally by: The Cursed
Post Aim at AF. It was pretty Clear. AF=Friggies
Sounds like somebody is mad because they got killed by a gang of ASCN T1 friggies....
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larietta
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Posted - 2006.04.02 11:58:00 -
[118]
BAH i miss all the fun
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.04.02 12:49:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Luc Boye
Originally by: Ramireza
No blacklight, that "lets nap everyone" **** realy sucks.
I EVER loved large fleetbattle¦s, but now we have 200 vs 200 and more most times, and THAT sucks totaly.
Woody was right, most alliances just want to "grow" in space, isk, capital ships, bpo¦s and such stuff. That bores me...
BTW : Thats only MY personal opinion
Considering that G asked BoB for NAP (Molle chatlogs ftw) I think that all of you crying "bob naps everyone" should have a good old cup of stfu.
didn't they try to get bob to attack ascn to break the southern nap block?
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:40:00 -
[120]
Well I might be wrong here because I know little of capital ships, but in both major "POS busting ops" where I was involved (G vs ascn poses in azn and the op against trust in ec-), since
- deathstars are very tough -> require a lot of capital ships or a massive blob of battleships to take down
and
- its very easy to get opportunity kills against a fleet of bored guys thats been shooting poses for 5+ hours
if you want to grab sovereignty onto a well defended system you need to lockdown the system completely with multiple bubbles or it will probably end up bad (i.e. a lot of lost dreads)
now, for such a lockdown to happen over more than 12 hours and still have enough manpower to both man the gates and kill the poses it seems you have no alternatives but to bring in extreme numbers, hence the blobs and naps.
So I dont agree with people criticizing naps/large number warfare since in my point of view its the game mechanics themselves that encourage it (afterall its about teamwork).
- Gob
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:45:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
lots of smart stuff
qft. There is a time for doing this kind of work and there is a time for fighting. No doubt the last part will come sooner or later
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Kryztal
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Posted - 2006.04.02 13:53:00 -
[122]
Doesnt take balls to suicide your fleet. Dunno why you did it but meh i got to blow up some northerners and i loooove doing that so anytime.
Black Nova Corp
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Echo147
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Posted - 2006.04.02 14:23:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Kryztal
Doesnt take balls to suicide your fleet. Dunno why you did it but meh i got to blow up some northerners and i loooove doing that so anytime.
Good job it doesn't need charisma either, or you'd be up a certain creek without a paddle
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the MoP
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Posted - 2006.04.02 14:29:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Echo147
Originally by: Kryztal
Doesnt take balls to suicide your fleet. Dunno why you did it but meh i got to blow up some northerners and i loooove doing that so anytime.
Good job it doesn't need charisma either, or you'd be up a certain creek without a paddle
no need to be rude
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.02 14:40:00 -
[125]
Edited by: j0sephine on 02/04/2006 14:40:31
"Edit: Wait... "[NTM] Northern Tyranical Monkeys?""
maybe "Winged Monkeys of Tyrants of North" [POO] ... tho' it'll perhaps have poor Frank Baum spin in his grave >>;;
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Karnov
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Posted - 2006.04.02 14:49:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Ramireza
Originally by: The Cursed
You guys Brings Friggys to fight or did you upgrade to to t1 cruisers this time.
pardon ?
I think he may be referring to IRON... either way it was a pretty bad attempt at insulting anyone.
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Kryztal
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Posted - 2006.04.02 14:59:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Echo147
Originally by: Kryztal
Doesnt take balls to suicide your fleet. Dunno why you did it but meh i got to blow up some northerners and i loooove doing that so anytime.
Good job it doesn't need charisma either, or you'd be up a certain creek without a paddle
awwww no need to be a sourpuss
Black Nova Corp
Bob(TM) Brand Bleach - Eliminates Every Stain |
Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:19:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 02/04/2006 16:22:12
WOuld you want 4 hostile alliances having a foothold station at yoru busiest 00><empire exchange system?
I fail to see what these re****ulous comments about G/TRUST and how northern alliances coming to protect TRUST have somehow substantiated the claim that TRUST is G. EC-P is THE strategic system for Northern Alliances, if not the entire game.
Its not a logical leap Im asking many to do, so please, make hte ******* hop.
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Friends Forever
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:21:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Well I might be wrong here because I know little of capital ships, but in both major "POS busting ops" where I was involved (G vs ascn poses in azn and the op against trust in ec-), since
- deathstars are very tough -> require a lot of capital ships or a massive blob of battleships to take down
and
- its very easy to get opportunity kills against a fleet of bored guys thats been shooting poses for 5+ hours
if you want to grab sovereignty onto a well defended system you need to lockdown the system completely with multiple bubbles or it will probably end up bad (i.e. a lot of lost dreads)
now, for such a lockdown to happen over more than 12 hours and still have enough manpower to both man the gates and kill the poses it seems you have no alternatives but to bring in extreme numbers, hence the blobs and naps.
So I dont agree with people criticizing naps/large number warfare since in my point of view its the game mechanics themselves that encourage it (afterall its about teamwork).
"More Cap ships than you have in alliance chat"
There is overkill gob. And 4 NAPs between the four largest is overkill.
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Friends Forever
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:29:00 -
[130]
"WOuld you want 4 hostile alliances having a foothold station at yoru busiest 00><empire exchange system?"
All this "foothold" talk is rather pointless when there's NPC stations few systems deeper,in place people regularly pass through on way to empire... to the very same effect.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:40:00 -
[131]
EC is still the critical system, though. Unless you want to screw around with Saranen it is the entrance point to the north. Most other station systems can be circumvented without much hassle, but EC is a really big deal.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 02/04/2006 16:44:27
"EC is still the critical system, though. Unless you want to screw around with Saranen it is the entrance point to the north."
If you want the full travelling convenience then yup, definitely. But when it's possible to manufacture nearly everything needed to keep the system in check literally next door, then still a station in system isn't such a big deal. Servers can handle the normal fleets jumping in/out pretty nice nowadays, as long as the numbers don't go above ~200, and most of the time they don't -.^
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.02 16:50:00 -
[133]
CCP need to install camera drones on every choke point gate, or atleast at every gate and Outpost in EC-P and provide us a live feed.
DO IT NOW!!!
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Mr SunTzu
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:10:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Kryztal
Doesnt take balls to suicide your fleet. Dunno why you did it but meh i got to blow up some northerners and i loooove doing that so anytime.
a tactical decission =/= suicide.
Even u should understand that.
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Triplidan
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Posted - 2006.04.02 17:28:00 -
[135]
Heres some from last night when my attempt to bring some stuff out of deklein in my covert op resulted in me almost getting blown up, but luckily i escaped and i'm now stranded here, send supplies please, rations and a tent would be nice, cause looks like i'm gonna be stuck there for a while
http://eleves_tim.cmaisonneuve.qc.ca/e0365988/EClockdown.JPG
http://eleves_tim.cmaisonneuve.qc.ca/e0365988/EClockdown2.JPG
http://eleves_tim.cmaisonneuve.qc.ca/e0365988/EClockdown3.JPG
http://eleves_tim.cmaisonneuve.qc.ca/e0365988/EClockdown4.JPG
http://eleves_tim.cmaisonneuve.qc.ca/e0365988/EClockdown5.JPG
http://eleves_tim.cmaisonneuve.qc.ca/e0365988/EClockdown6.JPG
Thanks dev67 for the hosting
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Gyro DuAquin1
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:35:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Ramireza
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
gosh, im glad that im out of this now. alliance warfare is so boring now with hundreds of NAPs. seems most of the 0,0 alliances have lost their balls if they had any.
Sounds like you need to get out of it for a bit
No blacklight, that "lets nap everyone" **** realy sucks.
I EVER loved large fleetbattle¦s, but now we have 200 vs 200 and more most times, and THAT sucks totaly.
Woody was right, most alliances just want to "grow" in space, isk, capital ships, bpo¦s and such stuff. That bores me...
BTW : Thats only MY personal opinion
qft
oh and we are in :)
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Hyllekjeks
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:36:00 -
[137]
why isnt it a post saying: Good fight x13, for having 1 member in ec, that killed 2 bubbles and a half armageddon? this is unfair :/
Anyways, good job G. Give them hell
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:37:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
oh and we are in :)
Willkommen zur Partei
Eve Blacklight Style
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:49:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Baun on 02/04/2006 20:49:32
Originally by: j0sephine
"WOuld you want 4 hostile alliances having a foothold station at yoru busiest 00><empire exchange system?"
All this "foothold" talk is rather pointless when there's NPC stations few systems deeper,in place people regularly pass through on way to empire... to the very same effect.
Agreed
The arguments about staging points or footholds are inane. You can do everything you can in that 0.0 outpost that you can in Torrinos or 0.0 NPC stations.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:51:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
oh and we are in :)
Willkommen zur Partei
Wo ist das Bier und die Brezeln?
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Turkantho
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:56:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
oh and we are in :)
Willkommen zur Partei
party =! partei
your translator gave you the translation of the political term
party = feier
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.02 20:57:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Turkantho
Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
oh and we are in :)
Willkommen zur Partei
party =! partei
your translator gave you the translation of the political term
party = feier
lol well at least I tried, should have asked one of our G sympathisers like Chrony to translate for me
Eve Blacklight Style
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grizouh
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Posted - 2006.04.02 23:01:00 -
[143]
actually you could use the same word in german <g>
just to confuse you a bit ^^:
http://www.dict.cc/?s=party
love this page, use it a lot at work.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.04.03 01:12:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 03/04/2006 01:14:13
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
I fail to see what these re****ulous comments about G/TRUST and how northern alliances coming to protect TRUST have somehow substantiated the claim that TRUST is G. EC-P is THE strategic system for Northern Alliances, if not the entire game.
Originally by: TRUST Member
Well, in fact we built the outpost in this system, because in this system the outpost has no strategic value!
*scratches head*
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.04.03 01:22:00 -
[145]
do i always sign off before the action? cuz thats starting to **** me off.
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris
Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron
Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler
The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Ver'kathAm
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Posted - 2006.04.03 06:46:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 02/04/2006 16:22:12
WOuld you want 4 hostile alliances having a foothold station at yoru busiest 00><empire exchange system?
I fail to see what these re****ulous comments about G/TRUST and how northern alliances coming to protect TRUST have somehow substantiated the claim that TRUST is G. EC-P is THE strategic system for Northern Alliances, if not the entire game.
Its not a logical leap Im asking many to do, so please, make hte ******* hop.
And we will see probably the ec system on the next update be taken by one of the major empires...and up to 0.4 security..
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Omatje
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Posted - 2006.04.03 06:57:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Shimpu
12 minutes load time for EC anyone? Nice you had no lag though. Has to be a Hax!!!
I was repositioned from Ewok gate to g-m gate when you guys where about to jump in.
Upon arrival i saw only the gate, no bubbles, no friendly or enemy ships and after a short while i heard targets being called on TS.
After a couple of minutes i saw bubbles appear and short thereafter friendly ships followed by hostile ships.
The targets appearing where the ones being called minutes ago.
Needles to say i actually fired 0 rounds in the enegagement, and after my last failed attempt to lock something was over i ctd-ed 
All in all i had hoped that since the night before more then 600 ships where in system without causing any lag, and during this engagement around 150-200 less where in local, we actually could have a more or less playable engagement.
I guess we still can only dream about huge fleetbattles.
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Vaevictus
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Posted - 2006.04.03 07:13:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Sha Dar
However, the level of smack in EC- local was excessive,and very childish.
what about the level of smack in this thread? You managed half a page before calling us Monkeys, and that was without any encouragement!
double-standard 4tw!
Anyway, for the record, congrats to BoB/ASCN/GM's for organising such an op. It is quite a feat... but then again, give 800 Monkeys a typewriter...
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.03 09:07:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Omatje
Originally by: Shimpu
12 minutes load time for EC anyone? Nice you had no lag though. Has to be a Hax!!!
I was repositioned from Ewok gate to g-m gate when you guys where about to jump in.
Upon arrival i saw only the gate, no bubbles, no friendly or enemy ships and after a short while i heard targets being called on TS.
After a couple of minutes i saw bubbles appear and short thereafter friendly ships followed by hostile ships.
The targets appearing where the ones being called minutes ago.
Needles to say i actually fired 0 rounds in the enegagement, and after my last failed attempt to lock something was over i ctd-ed
All in all i had hoped that since the night before more then 600 ships where in system without causing any lag, and during this engagement around 150-200 less where in local, we actually could have a more or less playable engagement.
I guess we still can only dream about huge fleetbattles.
I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2006.04.03 09:12:00 -
[150]
comedy gold
you cant be serious about that.
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Omatje
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Posted - 2006.04.03 09:35:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
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I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
How much i ever wanted a fleetfight, it was not our objective.
I'm just part of a gun that's pointed in certain directions in the hand of our commanders
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Malachon Draco
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Posted - 2006.04.03 09:46:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
If the lag was so terrible, why did on occasion small ships actually manage to slip through the bubbles and out of the gatecamp?
And if we were intending to use lag to maximum advantage why were we told to haul in our drones, even to the extent that one FC issued out an ultimatum that anyone not pulling in drones would see them blown up?
Yes, we made good use of the number of ships we had in system. But as far as I can tell we were not trying to use lag as a weapon. But to think we're gonna give up the distinct advantage of sitting at a gate and let you jump in your entire force before engaging....
We didn't spend 16 bloody hours a day camping a gate to give up that advantage to get 'a fair fight'. We did our best to reduce lag within limits, and that is as much, if not more than you could expect from anyone.
A quote that I find highly appropriate here:
ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
- David Hackworth
But to remain in the spirit of the OP, I certainly respect the people in the fleet you managed to get into the system and used to harass our gatecamps. Makes it a bit more exciting . And incidentally, it also proves that it is indeed possible to fight us in EC- I understand you're rather hesitant jumping into a system crawling with hostiles when you're not sure about the lag, but blaming us for turning up in these numbers is not appropriate IMO.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.03 10:57:00 -
[153]
Depends how much you want that fight I guess...
I understand fully that in this particular case the forces holding EC are more interested in winning than fighting, I understand and accept the reasoning and I have no problem with that. I'm just offering a general-case option that's available if both sides actually want to fight without lag. I'm not accusing the EC guys of deliberately trying to cause lag or anything like that. I'm just highlighting the fact that jumping into a camp with hundreds of hostiles and lots of bubbles will cause unavoidable lag which is discouraging people from trying to engage, and that in the hypothetical situation where both sides do want a fight that kind of solution seems to be the only way to do it. And no, I'm not suggesting that a "fair" fight is necessary or even desirable, but just a "straight" one, ie without horrendous lag. All a jump-in agreement does is mitigate lag problems - it does nothing to take away the defenders' advantages with bubbles, numbers, positioning or anything else.
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Heritor
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:10:00 -
[154]
When can I come back home
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:36:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Harlequinn on 03/04/2006 15:38:03
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Depends how much you want that fight I guess...
I understand fully that in this particular case the forces holding EC are more interested in winning than fighting, I understand and accept the reasoning and I have no problem with that. blah blah blah
QFICG*
*Quoted for Ironic Comedy Gold
Seems to me you know where to find us for a fight, and that the only ones whining on the forums are G/IRON/RZR about a "fair" fight. Like you guys ever gave consideration to a "fair" fight when you outnumbered your opponents and setup situations where they had to jump in on you.
You come to EC and you will get a fight, you might even do some damage and begin a war of attrition if you're good enough. It's pretty obvious here that it's G/IRON/RZR who aren't willing to fight unless it's on their terms.
EDIT: sorry, only now do I see that you said winning not whining.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:40:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Harlequinn
You come to EC and you will get a fight, you might even do some damage and begin a war of attrition if you're good enough. It's pretty obvious here that it's G/IRON/RZR who aren't willing to fight unless it's on their terms.
LOL @ the hobbit
Werent u there on saturday?
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Harlequinn
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Posted - 2006.04.03 15:58:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Harlequinn
You come to EC and you will get a fight, you might even do some damage and begin a war of attrition if you're good enough. It's pretty obvious here that it's G/IRON/RZR who aren't willing to fight unless it's on their terms.
LOL @ the hobbit
Werent u there on saturday?
I was at work when you guys came in. 
Much respect to those of you who did come and fight, seriously. I just wish I had been there for the engagement.
There were even some sniper gangs roaming around EC attacking gate camps, but they would only pick off a frig or cruiser and then split as soon as they were targeted in return. Still though, these guys fought and are a credit to your alliances.
I would like to get a fight, I don't blame you guys for not jumping into EC but the incessant whining about being outnumbered and ASCN/5/BOB not wanting a fight is tiresome.
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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:08:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
EC is still the critical system, though. Unless you want to screw around with Saranen it is the entrance point to the north. Most other station systems can be circumvented without much hassle, but EC is a really big deal.
Only if you're too lazy to go through Alparena, which is a mere 5 jumps or so more than the EC route, gets you to safe space faster than the Saranen route, and has far fewer notoriously camped systems than the Saranen route.
I'm really sort of surprised that a 0.0 alliance would be so put off by having to travel through low sec empire space, though - or that they'd get so set in their ways as to not even look at any viable alternatives.
But whatever. Keep thinking that EC is the end all, be all of the northern routes.
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Sochin
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:09:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
We've actually tried this before, except the other way around. G had setup camp with a large fleet, and BoB wanted to jump into it. The lag was impossible though, so Molle worked out with G for them to leave the gate so our fleet could jump in and load the system.
Unfortunantely, G warped to the gate as soon as they saw local jump, so it didn't make any difference. G was kind enough to apologize on the forums for this.
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rift Scorn on 03/04/2006 16:13:59
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Omatje
Originally by: Shimpu
12 minutes load time for EC anyone? Nice you had no lag though. Has to be a Hax!!!
I was repositioned from Ewok gate to g-m gate when you guys where about to jump in.
Upon arrival i saw only the gate, no bubbles, no friendly or enemy ships and after a short while i heard targets being called on TS.
After a couple of minutes i saw bubbles appear and short thereafter friendly ships followed by hostile ships.
The targets appearing where the ones being called minutes ago.
Needles to say i actually fired 0 rounds in the enegagement, and after my last failed attempt to lock something was over i ctd-ed
All in all i had hoped that since the night before more then 600 ships where in system without causing any lag, and during this engagement around 150-200 less where in local, we actually could have a more or less playable engagement.
I guess we still can only dream about huge fleetbattles.
I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
never had that courtisy extended to us at anytime in the past when we had 60-70, and 160+ G/IRON/RZR fleet can smell blood. Don't expect it from us now.
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
Edited by: Rift Scorn on 03/04/2006 16:13:59
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Omatje
Originally by: Shimpu
12 minutes load time for EC anyone? Nice you had no lag though. Has to be a Hax!!!
I was repositioned from Ewok gate to g-m gate when you guys where about to jump in.
Upon arrival i saw only the gate, no bubbles, no friendly or enemy ships and after a short while i heard targets being called on TS.
After a couple of minutes i saw bubbles appear and short thereafter friendly ships followed by hostile ships.
The targets appearing where the ones being called minutes ago.
Needles to say i actually fired 0 rounds in the enegagement, and after my last failed attempt to lock something was over i ctd-ed
All in all i had hoped that since the night before more then 600 ships where in system without causing any lag, and during this engagement around 150-200 less where in local, we actually could have a more or less playable engagement.
I guess we still can only dream about huge fleetbattles.
I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
never had that courtisy extended to us at anytime in the past when we had 60-70, and 160+ G/IRON/RZR fleet can smell blood. Don't expect it from us now.
G/Iron was never 6-7 times ur size and also never fought in ur region.
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mr SunTzu
Originally by: Rift Scorn
Edited by: Rift Scorn on 03/04/2006 16:13:59
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Omatje
Originally by: Shimpu
12 minutes load time for EC anyone? Nice you had no lag though. Has to be a Hax!!!
I was repositioned from Ewok gate to g-m gate when you guys where about to jump in.
Upon arrival i saw only the gate, no bubbles, no friendly or enemy ships and after a short while i heard targets being called on TS.
After a couple of minutes i saw bubbles appear and short thereafter friendly ships followed by hostile ships.
The targets appearing where the ones being called minutes ago.
Needles to say i actually fired 0 rounds in the enegagement, and after my last failed attempt to lock something was over i ctd-ed
All in all i had hoped that since the night before more then 600 ships where in system without causing any lag, and during this engagement around 150-200 less where in local, we actually could have a more or less playable engagement.
I guess we still can only dream about huge fleetbattles.
I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
never had that courtisy extended to us at anytime in the past when we had 60-70, and 160+ G/IRON/RZR fleet can smell blood. Don't expect it from us now.
G/Iron was never 6-7 times ur size and also never fought in ur region.
So its ok to bring 2x not 6x?
Can we reach a final verdict on what is acceptable outnumbering... and make that a ground rule?
My take is 3x
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:40:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Omatje
Originally by: Shimpu
12 minutes load time for EC anyone? Nice you had no lag though. Has to be a Hax!!!
I was repositioned from Ewok gate to g-m gate when you guys where about to jump in.
Upon arrival i saw only the gate, no bubbles, no friendly or enemy ships and after a short while i heard targets being called on TS.
After a couple of minutes i saw bubbles appear and short thereafter friendly ships followed by hostile ships.
The targets appearing where the ones being called minutes ago.
Needles to say i actually fired 0 rounds in the enegagement, and after my last failed attempt to lock something was over i ctd-ed
All in all i had hoped that since the night before more then 600 ships where in system without causing any lag, and during this engagement around 150-200 less where in local, we actually could have a more or less playable engagement.
I guess we still can only dream about huge fleetbattles.
I was going to suggest this earlier, but as BoB apparently don't want a straight fight (fair enough under the circumstances), but if you did want an engagement you'd do things like this:
Commanders of both fleets get in a common channel
BoB fleet commanders agree that when G/IRON FCs say "jump" in that channel, all BoB/ASCN/5/whoever ship movements will STOP. This is monitored by G/IRON/whoever cloakers in-system
At this point, G/IRON FCs jump their fleet in.
If any G/IRON/whoever ships move, they may be destroyed instantly. Otherwise BoB/etc do not open fire but simply hold position.
Once the lag has cleared, the G/IRON FCs say "loaded" in the shared channel, at which point everyone opens fire.
It's not perfect, and it demands a huge deal of trust on both sides, but if both sides could actually agree to these rules then you'd be able to get your lag-free fight. It just depends where your priorities lie...
Browse back the forums about 6-8 months and you will see a BOB fleet jumping into an G/IMP fleet. This was after negotiations had been attempted. BOB thought G wouldnt warp in till BOB was in and loaded, G thought they would only warp in once BOB had jumped or some such. In the end BOB lagged out and were picked off one by one as they emergency warped.
Doubt it will work.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.04.03 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Veskrashen
Only if you're too lazy to go through Alparena
People generally don't want to go to Placid from PB, though. Generally you go to Empire to go shopping, which usually means Jita, which is 19 jumps direct from 5Z and 37 via Mantenault. Furthermore, for those of us interested in opening up the North to third parties, a camped EC is bad news anyway because that's the way people prefer to come in. There are always back ways, but EC remains a pivotal system.
WRT the lag, jumping in etc discussion, as I said earlier it simply depends on how much you want that fight. If you care enough, you'll make it work.
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Veskrashen
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Posted - 2006.04.03 17:55:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Originally by: Veskrashen
Only if you're too lazy to go through Alparena
People generally don't want to go to Placid from PB, though. Generally you go to Empire to go shopping, which usually means Jita, which is 19 jumps direct from 5Z and 37 via Mantenault. Furthermore, for those of us interested in opening up the North to third parties, a camped EC is bad news anyway because that's the way people prefer to come in. There are always back ways, but EC remains a pivotal system.
Oh I totally agree that Jita is farther using the Mantenault route than the EC route. But Jita isn't the only core system or hub. Oursulaert and Yulai are both convenient with the Mantenault route, and have similar levels of supply and newbie/mission runner lag - well maybe not Yulai for the lag, but it still has a decent stock of ships and mods.
But your comment really speaks to what I had said in that post, about becoming so wedded to your assumptions that people don't see the advantages of alternate routes. Not to mention the fact that you could easily set up a market in Osmeden and Oursulaert for named goods, and have a far better chance of controlling or significantly being able to influence prices in that region, than you would in Jita/Nonni/Torrinos. Not to mention the lower average competition in those systems for the kinds of goods you'd want to buy. Not to mention the fact that Jita/Nonni are flooded with Gurista/Serpentic named items, which you already get in abundance - so you'd need to head elsewhere generally for named items from other factions. But these advantages don't enter into your calculus, since it's harder to make it to places you're familiar with.
Challenge your base assumptions about what you actually need from empire, and where you can actually get it - and you may find that previously less desirable alternates are really rather attractive.
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