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Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 0	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:45:00 - [1] - Quote Greetings fellow pilots! I am Adams De Cobra, CEO of N-EST. I am here to let you know that if you have ever wanted to invest yourself into a corporation, or if you a re a corporation looking to start up this is the place for you! The New Eden Stock Exchange will be a middle man to your trades, insuring that you and your merchant will not be scammed. The trade process is simple: -You select what corporation you would like to invest in -N-EST converses with the CEO or Director on what that corporation wants as a price* -Once you and the corporation agree on a price/stock the trade will officially begin -The pilot will send ISK to the N-EST agent, and at the same time the corporation will send stock to the same agent -Once confirmed that both parties have correctly put in the correctly traded items the N-EST agent will complete the trade -The pilot now is invested in a corporation of their choice, and the corporation has ISK to develop assets with. *-Your name will not be mentioned and two chats will occur. This is to keep you anonymous to protect the buyer. Only on special occasions and mistakes made on N-ESTs side will any information be shared. If mistakes are made on N-ESTs side then both parties will be refunded: -Pilot gets his/her ISK refunded and an added 10% -The Corporation will only get the ISK for the stock price that was agreed upon by the buyer and seller. Notes: -You may also sell stock Pilot to Pilot -N-EST as a middle man will receive a small cut of the profit from the trade -Buyers are anonymous for security purposes, if the buyer does not want to be anonymous both parties must agree to have one conversation -Only Stock and ISK will be traded. -We will not take assets as payment -N-EST will buy stock from pilots if no match is found wanting that stock -This trade will not be as effective as trading with a buyer, and you will get under average price. This will be negotiable however -Please keep in mind we do not have that many agents! If you have further questions on how N-EST operates, or in general, feel free to post on the forum. Other pilots may have the same questions as you! We also have a chat channel "New Eden Stock Exchange" for you to publicly chat on New Edens ever changing economy! Agents for the safety of both parties go though API checks and must be verified by yours truly to join N-EST. If an agent does not honor the two parties trade, the agent will be removed and everything stolen will be reimbursed. N-EST Stock will not be sold! Thank you, fly safe, and stay invested o7 CEO of N-EST, Adams De Cobra
X ATM092 Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 268	Posted - 2014.02.03 03:59:00 - [2] - Quote I am also willing to act as a third party to undisclosed deals. Please send me isk, I will never tell the seller who you are, nor the buyer who sold it. It'll be like no transaction ever took place. Discretion guaranteed.
Joan Greywind Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 315	Posted - 2014.02.03 04:10:00 - [3] - Quote If something is obviously a scam, and a scam is never what it seems, does that mean this isn't a scam?
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 0	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:00:00 - [4] - Quote Joan, I nor N-EST ever plan on stealing anything purposely. We do not ever plan on scamming or anything of the sort. If anything does not go according to plan you have me to blame and I will do my best to make things right again, whether that be reimbursement or what have you. N-EST wants to be something different, that start to something new for pilots. N-EST is going to be, or wants to be, a new way for pilots to forge new paths. No matter what I say there will be people that say this is a scam, and all I can say is I, and N-EST, are here to prove them wrong. I am trying to work with higher up alliances and other 3rd parties suck as SOMER and EOH to help gain your trust to help kick-start a revolution. Thank you for your time Joan. If you have further questions you know what to do. CEO of N-EST, Adams De Cobra
Kiros DoKatta AxiSec Intergalatic 0	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:02:00 - [5] - Quote What a coincidence! I recently started up the same kind of business. All you have to do is send me your ISK and have another party send me their items, then you pay me for being the middleman. We sure are smart, thinking of a service that EVERYONE will want to use!
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 0	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:10:00 - [6] - Quote Kiros DoKatta wrote: What a coincidence! I recently started up the same kind of business. All you have to do is send me your ISK and have another party send me their items, then you pay me for being the middleman. We sure are smart, thinking of a service that EVERYONE will want to use! Kiros, There is a difference between items and stocks. Items you can get back, stocks are harder to retrieve. Although you can make more, there is always that possibility that the pilot who invested in you could stab you in the back. Trading shares, or stock however you want to view it, isn't as easy as opening up a trade window and both parties hitting accept. It's more like trading a super capital, there has to be trust. I am aware that New Eden is full of people who are untrustworthy, but there are also the people who break the pattern and are actually good people, in and out of game. But, I must agree, it is a coincidence. CEO of N-EST, Adams De Cobra
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 0	Posted - 2014.02.03 06:40:00 - [7] - Quote Dear Clients, It has come to my attention that although it is safer for the buyer's name to be hidden, N-EST has changed its approach. N-EST would like to have a single conversation to ensure both parties are not scammed. We hope this will ensure an even safer trade between the two parties to show them both that we really do mean business here and do not plan on taking anything. I would like to thank the pilots that help us, N-EST, find better way and help us improve our trade relations. Here at N-EST we will adapt to what policies you want, not what we want. The client experience is what we are worried about the most. Once again a shout out to those that innovate us, we salute you! CEO of N-EST, Adams De Cobra
I Was There The Little Urban Achievers Foundation 118	Posted - 2014.02.03 07:38:00 - [8] - Quote Adams De Cobra wrote: Joan, I would love it as well if CCP would hold us accountable for what our actions are (i.e. if someone from N-EST does scam someone I feel that CCP should ban them for at least a week, and all items stolen put back into their rightful hands First of all. Don't sign your posts. Theres a huge picture with your name right next to your post, we don't need to see it again. I'd like to buy 50% of Goonwaffe' shares. Please post in this thread how it works out, as it'd be a good way to prove your legitimacy.
Nedly Stark Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.02.03 10:19:00 - [9] - Quote Not that I am seriously considering a purchase, but how are the stocks going to move up and down? "-Once you and the corporation agree on a price/stock the trade will officially begin" Explain in further detail for the sake of curiosity.
RAW23 686	Posted - 2014.02.03 10:32:00 - [10] - Quote OP - I would strongly advise you read this guide to becoming a third party written by Grendell and then reconsider your decision to pursue this business. You are just not in a position to make this work because you have no more reputation for being trustworthy than does the next guy. If A and B don't trust each other, why would they bring in C as a middleman if they also have no reason to trust C? There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 438	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:30:00 - [11] - Quote RAW23 wrote: OP - I would strongly advise you read this guide to becoming a third party written by Grendell and then reconsider your decision to pursue this business. You are just not in a position to make this work because you have no more reputation for being trustworthy than does the next guy. If A and B don't trust each other, why would they bring in C as a middleman if they also have no reason to trust C? The only C anyone would trust as a middleman ends in hribba...
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 1316	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:43:00 - [12] - Quote So let's say I'd like 5b to develop my alt corp. How would I go about getting investments through your service?
Batelle Komm susser Tod 1551	Posted - 2014.02.03 16:46:00 - [13] - Quote Even if it wasn't a scam, who would want this service? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 523	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:17:00 - [14] - Quote Adams De Cobra wrote: *-Your name will not be mentioned and two chats will occur. This is to keep you anonymous to protect the buyer. Only on special occasions and mistakes made on N-ESTs side will any information be shared. Corporations can view a list of all shareholders through their wallet. Coreli Corporation: Small gang PVP & Drug Production, Apply now!
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research 148	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:22:00 - [15] - Quote I felt like writing something regarding your awful attempt at scamming, but it's not really worth the effort . Good job burning a two year old alt. .
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 71	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:24:00 - [16] - Quote -N-EST will buy stock from pilots if no match is found wanting that stock Oh really? I have a billion shares to sell you....
Nedly Stark Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:27:00 - [17] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: -N-EST will buy stock from pilots if no match is found wanting that stock Oh really? I have a billion shares to sell you.... I will buy 9 bazillion.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:39:00 - [18] - Quote Joshua Foiritain wrote: Adams De Cobra wrote: *-Your name will not be mentioned and two chats will occur. This is to keep you anonymous to protect the buyer. Only on special occasions and mistakes made on N-ESTs side will any information be shared. Corporations can view a list of all shareholders through their wallet. If your read through we changed policy and now have only one convo, but I am aware of that and overlooked it, thank you though!
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:44:00 - [19] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: So let's say I'd like 5b to develop my alt corp. How would I go about getting investments through your service? Once you find someone who is willing to invest in said corp (this can be based through personal reasons (i.e. they like what you corp plans on doing, or they like you K:D ratio)) or when N-EST finds a match of someone who would invest in you a N-EST agent will EVE-Mail or convo you if you are online or offline. From there you may not get all 5b ISK, but you should get a large sum if you sell the shares for a high enough price, and also how many shares you sell. I hope that answered your question, if not let me know.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 00:50:00 - [20] - Quote I Was There wrote: Adams De Cobra wrote: Joan, I would love it as well if CCP would hold us accountable for what our actions are (i.e. if someone from N-EST does scam someone I feel that CCP should ban them for at least a week, and all items stolen put back into their rightful hands First of all. Don't sign your posts. Theres a huge picture with your name right next to your post, we don't need to see it again. I'd like to buy 50% of Goonwaffe' shares. Please post in this thread how it works out, as it'd be a good way to prove your legitimacy. You, or a N-EST agent would have to get in contact with either a shareholder or a director of Goonwaffe. The option is yours if you want to do it yourself or have a N-EST agent do so. Finding shareholders and directors is completely free and we will ask for any ISK to do so. As for the 50% of the total shares is between you and the shareholder, N-EST cannot decide the amount of shares traded between the two parties. If that didn't help let me know. Thanks.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:04:00 - [21] - Quote RAW23 wrote: OP - I would strongly advise you read this guide to becoming a third party written by Grendell and then reconsider your decision to pursue this business. You are just not in a position to make this work because you have no more reputation for being trustworthy than does the next guy. If A and B don't trust each other, why would they bring in C as a middleman if they also have no reason to trust C? Thank you for the link mate. But to answer you question it is the same reason people use Chribba to transfer super caps. However, to my knowledge, Chribba does not trade shares between parties. That is what we intend to work with, shares and ISK, nothing more, nothing less. If A and B hate each other anyway, they come to C so one doesn't cheat the other. They both however would rather both of them lose everything compared to one party claiming all of the ISK and the other party robbed. Now, yes, before I get a bunch of hate comments C is a party in the trade. However, C is neutral and will not sway to one party member or the other. So to answer your question, there is no real reason, but peace of mind. Thank you, and I hope that answered your question.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 01:13:00 - [22] - Quote Batelle wrote: Even if it wasn't a scam, who would want this service? Both parties benefit from trading shares. Corporations get ISK for projects or what have you. and the pilot is able to vote, get paid via dividends, and if enough shares are trade take the CEO position. Here is a link for more information on the power of what shares can do to a corporation and shareholders. I hope that answers your question. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Shares
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 71	Posted - 2014.02.04 02:46:00 - [23] - Quote Cobra you haven't responded to my post. I have an infinite (as many as you are capable of buying) amount of shares for you to buy. How many do I need to print to empty your wallet? More importantly, how big is your wallet? I need to know if it's worth the effort to even run the vote.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 1	Posted - 2014.02.04 03:07:00 - [24] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: Cobra you haven't responded to my post. I have an infinite (as many as you are capable of buying) amount of shares for you to buy. How many do I need to print to empty your wallet? More importantly, how big is your wallet? I need to know if it's worth the effort to even run the vote. N-EST is used as a last resort if you cannot find anyone who will buy your stock. Have you tried asking others to invest to your corp? If not, I suggest you do that first or ask N-EST to do so. If we don't find anyone that will invest in your stock then N-EST will. But please keep in mind that N-EST will not buy as high as an investor would. Shares are like currency, the more there is of it, the less it's worth. N-EST has no comment on it's finances publicly, however N-EST does make an average weekly profit of 500 million ISK. This number is based on all operations and donations, not just stock trades. Thank you for reminding me, and sorry for the delay.
Thoraemond Far Ranger 192	Posted - 2014.02.04 03:29:00 - [25] - Quote Adams De Cobra wrote: N-EST has no comment on it's finances publicly, however N-EST does make an average weekly profit of 500 million ISK. This number is based on all operations and donations, not just stock trades. The phrase "not just stock trades", in that context, suggests that stock trades are something that you've done in the past or are doing now as a source of profit. Is that true? What volume of stock trades have you done (number of clients, number of stocks, amount of ISK that changed hands)? Is there no one who will post a testimonial about your work for them? If, alternatively, the answer is that you have not done any stock trades for profit in the past, why should anyone think you'll be good at this now? Adams De Cobra wrote: N-EST as a middle man will receive a small cut of the profit from the trade How will the "profit" of the trade be determined? Adams De Cobra wrote: Buyers are anonymous for security purposes, if the buyer does not want to be anonymous both parties must agree to have one conversation How does either party to such a conversation confirm that the other party is anything other than your alt? Adams De Cobra wrote: Please keep in mind we do not have that many agents! By "agents", you mean players, right? How many agents do you have? Who are they? GÇó Graph re Market Order Broker Fees GÇó Diagram re Skills for Remote Trading GÇó
Nedly Stark Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:40:00 - [26] - Quote Still waiting for question to be answered.
Castiel-zan Vex-ar The Vicious Evil Network Of Mayhem 0	Posted - 2014.02.04 05:03:00 - [27] - Quote Adams De Cobra wrote: Dear Clients, It has come to my attention that although it is safer for the buyer's name to be hidden, N-EST has changed its approach. N-EST would like to have a single conversation to ensure both parties are not scammed. We hope this will ensure an even safer trade between the two parties to show them both that we really do mean business here and do not plan on taking anything. I would like to thank the pilots that help us, N-EST, find better way and help us improve our trade relations. Here at N-EST we will adapt to what policies you want, not what we want. The client experience is what we are worried about the most. Once again a shout out to those that innovate us, we salute you! I like this new approach better than the old is my investment really there? I feel that you should have started with this method before you made N-EST. Although stocks did flow, it didn't feel as safe then as the new improvements to the 'system'. After reading the OP though I think you should put these edits in there so that there is less confusion with the new and the old. But thank you for helping trade the stock between "the dawns light" and me. Although the corp is old and has a low member count I hope to see it rise with a new cash flow from the 200 stocks I purchased. I hope they do not waste it. However I am satisfied with my transaction thus far. Keep up the good work!! PS I do hope that you will soon be able to get the bigger named corporations instead of the new corps that are starting out.
Thoraemond Far Ranger 192	Posted - 2014.02.04 06:28:00 - [28] - Quote Castiel-zan Vex-ar wrote: [...] thank you for helping trade the stock between "the dawns light" and me. Although the corp is old and has a low member count I hope to see it rise with a new cash flow from the 200 stocks I purchased. I hope they do not waste it. However I am satisfied with my transaction thus far. When was this transaction? How much do you claim to have paid for 200 shares? How much did you pay "Adams De Cobra", or one of his "agents" to do so? What has caused you, thus far, to be satisfied with your transaction? Has that corporation paid dividends? What would prompt anyone to buy shares in a corporation that the CEO described as "defunct" in 2012, at which time he tried to sell the corporation? GÇó Graph re Market Order Broker Fees GÇó Diagram re Skills for Remote Trading GÇó

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 11011	Posted - 2014.02.04 06:58:00 - [29] - Quote Adams De Cobra wrote: However, to my knowledge, Chribba does not trade shares between parties. I assist in pretty much anything that requires trust that pilots need (even trading corpses), but can't say shares is among the common types, but it has been done from time to time. Also a thought on this; Quote: -Your name will not be mentioned and two chats will occur. This is to keep you anonymous to protect the buyer. Only on special occasions and mistakes made on N-ESTs side will any information be shared. You are aware that the moment the shares land in the buyers wallet, the selling corp can see who owns shares in their corp right? /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà* Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

RAW23 688	Posted - 2014.02.04 07:34:00 - [30] - Quote Adams De Cobra wrote: RAW23 wrote: OP - I would strongly advise you read this guide to becoming a third party written by Grendell and then reconsider your decision to pursue this business. You are just not in a position to make this work because you have no more reputation for being trustworthy than does the next guy. If A and B don't trust each other, why would they bring in C as a middleman if they also have no reason to trust C? Thank you for the link mate. But to answer you question it is the same reason people use Chribba to transfer super caps. However, to my knowledge, Chribba does not trade shares between parties. That is what we intend to work with, shares and ISK, nothing more, nothing less. If A and B hate each other anyway, they come to C so one doesn't cheat the other. They both however would rather both of them lose everything compared to one party claiming all of the ISK and the other party robbed. Now, yes, before I get a bunch of hate comments C is a party in the trade. However, C is neutral and will not sway to one party member or the other. So to answer your question, there is no real reason, but peace of mind. Thank you, and I hope that answered your question. You missed the point of the question, I'm afraid: Quote: If A and B don't trust each other, why would they bring in C as a middleman if they also have no reason to trust C? Without already having a well-established reputation, introducing a third party C just doubles the avenues of risk for A and B without mitigating any trust issues at all. There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 71	Posted - 2014.02.04 09:24:00 - [31] - Quote Adams De Cobra wrote: Loraine Gess wrote: Cobra you haven't responded to my post. I have an infinite (as many as you are capable of buying) amount of shares for you to buy. How many do I need to print to empty your wallet? More importantly, how big is your wallet? I need to know if it's worth the effort to even run the vote. N-EST is used as a last resort if you cannot find anyone who will buy your stock. Have you tried asking others to invest to your corp? If not, I suggest you do that first or ask N-EST to do so. If we don't find anyone that will invest in your stock then N-EST will. But please keep in mind that N-EST will not buy as high as an investor would. Shares are like currency, the more there is of it, the less it's worth. N-EST has no comment on it's finances publicly, however N-EST does make an average weekly profit of 500 million ISK. This number is based on all operations and donations, not just stock trades. Thank you for reminding me, and sorry for the delay. Please quote me an exchange rate so I can start printing shares.
Setsune Rin Collapsed Out Shadow Cartel 152	Posted - 2014.02.04 14:29:00 - [32] - Quote how the hell does a presumably 2y+ pilot not know that corporation stocks are a joke? they have some VEERRRYYY limited uses, and using them like you would actual RL stocks is not one of them this entire thread had made me both laught and cringe though, but i thank you for the moments entertainment
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 5	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:08:00 - [33] - Quote Nedly Stark wrote: Still waiting for question to be answered. Sorry for the delay. Stocks can change by how well a corporation is doing. For example, if a corporation is getting more kills and less losses then said corporation would have a higher stock price than if it were the other way around. It also depends on how many shares have been created within the corp. For example, A corp that has 1,000 shares would have a higher share price, and a corporation that has 1,000,000 shares would have a lower share price. However, both are variables within the price equation. N-EST may suggest a price on a share if both parties do not agree with each other if wanted. Another variable is how much the buyer is willing to pay for the shares versus what the seller wants for them.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 5	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:25:00 - [34] - Quote @Thoraemond: Q: The phrase "not just stock trades", in that context, suggests that stock trades are something that you've done in the past or are doing now as a source of profit. Is that true? What volume of stock trades have you done (number of clients, number of stocks, amount of ISK that changed hands)? Is there no one who will post a testimonial about your work for them? If, alternatively, the answer is that you have not done any stock trades for profit in the past, why should anyone think you'll be good at this now? A: Yes, we have done a few stock exchanges in the past, but on a small level, normally around 1-10 thousand shares, and in the past I have worked with a few clients. I don't believe people are posting testimonials because in the past I have worked solo and now I am going to try and grow this type of trade. Q: How will the "profit" of the trade be determined? A: Very easily, N-EST will take 10% normally, this can change if we are having some sort of celebration or if you have a higher standing with N-EST. Having a high standing with N-EST is simple; the more trades you do, the higher your standing. And the standing system is easy to fallow. For every point of standing you gain 0.1% tax is reduced from N-EST's profit. Q: How does either party to such a conversation confirm that the other party is anything other than your alt? A: I only have one alt and that alt is being deleted. If you would like the name I will post it. However, you can always ask the CEO of the corporation either party is in if they have any alts and who they are. Excluding NPC corporations of course. Q: By "agents", you mean players, right? How many agents do you have? Who are they? A: Agents refers to the pilots that work for N-EST, correct. Currently N-EST has two agents, but we do plan on growing. Currently only myself is in the N-EST Corporation, however we are awaiting reply of other pilots. Our other agent's name is Arin De Cobra. If you have further questions go ahead!
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 5	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:27:00 - [35] - Quote @Chribba Q: You are aware that the moment the shares land in the buyers wallet, the selling corp can see who owns shares in their corp right? A: Yes, I am aware that is why we changed having two convos to only having one. I did not update the original post, that was my fault and I'm sorry for the confusion.
Nedly Stark Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:41:00 - [36] - Quote So you could raise a stock price from 100 isk to 15,000 with a snap of the fingers. Seems legit.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 5	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:43:00 - [37] - Quote @Loraine Gess Please convo or message me and we will work out a deal. Also note that the more shared you "print" the less the shares are worth. However to prove that I'm willing to trade shares with you, Seeing that your corp consists of 4 members, but is highly effective in combat. I would quote your shares, if at 1,000, approximately 25,000 ISK/Share. However, since you are trading with N-EST the deduction will be 20%. This in mind the share price will be reduced to approximately 20,000 ISK/Share. Keep in mind that it is a good idea for the CEO to handle 51% of the shares. N-EST will negotiate on a price for your shares.
Adams De Cobra New Eden Stock Exchange 5	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:46:00 - [38] - Quote Nedly Stark wrote: So you could raise a stock price from 100 isk to 15,000 with a snap of the fingers. Seems legit. It wouldn't be in the snap of a finger, it would take time depending upon the circumstances. N-EST however only will offer a price, not dictate the price of the stocks. If that makes sense.
Nedly Stark Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:58:00 - [39] - Quote No it doesnt make sense. Price of stocks move on supply & demand through automation when traders buy and sell. I guess what im getting at here is stock valuation and If you dont dictate the stock price, then what/who does? And how?
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction The Devil's Warrior Alliance 113	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:11:00 - [40] - Quote This entire thread is worthless ... except for what Chribba said. http://www.devilswarrior.info/kb
Eddie Laydon Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 66	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:10:00 - [41] - Quote I believe most of the people in MD would agree with me when I say that a real stock exchange is something we all want. Unfortunately MD isn't getting any love from the devs these days, so we are stuck with the current [broken] system, which imho makes shares pretty much useless. If you really want to start a 3rd party service I suggest you go with something much less ambitious than what you are proposing now. Start small, and perhaps in some years time you'll have a large enough clout to at least be taken seriously.
Shizuken Venerated Stars 163	Posted - 2014.02.06 05:45:00 - [42] - Quote Joan Greywind wrote: If something is obviously a scam, and a scam is never what it seems, does that mean this isn't a scam? Personally I think everything in this subforum that is not a question about some aspect of eve is a scam. Even all these "bonds" and "bank" loans. There is simply no way I will ever believe that they are real, or that the posters claiming to have used the service aren't shills.
Kingnuts The Mjolnir Bloc B O R G 3	Posted - 2014.02.06 09:02:00 - [43] - Quote Shizuken wrote: Joan Greywind wrote: If something is obviously a scam, and a scam is never what it seems, does that mean this isn't a scam? Personally I think everything in this subforum that is not a question about some aspect of eve is a scam. Even all these "bonds" and "bank" loans. There is simply no way I will ever believe that they are real, or that the posters claiming to have used the service aren't shills. Such wildly inaccurate generalisation only shows your lack of knowledge concerning the matters you are commenting on, I'm afraid. If 'there is simply no way [you] will ever believe they are real' then you are being willfully and deliberately ignorant as your thesis is simply implausible when the facts are considered in a rational manner.
Percival Rose Rubicon Resources 6	Posted - 2014.02.28 20:34:00 - [44] - Quote I'm a pit paranoid when it comes to anything that requires me to invest my hard earned ISK, but I like the idea of a stock exchange in EVE Online. Is there any chance CCP will create game mechanics to allow a proper IPO? I'd love to see some hostile takeovers (nice alliance, I'll take it) in the near future. You know who's going to inherit New Eden? Arms dealers. Because everyone else is too busy killing each other.

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