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Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 159	Posted - 2011.11.10 02:59:00 - [31] - Quote God you are dumb
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 159	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:00:00 - [32] - Quote Smiling Menace wrote: - So let me get this straight, you are saying that as CCP don't keep accurate logs (allegedly) that if I were to scam you and you cry that it was from the recruitment channel that CCP would check the logs that they supposedly don't keep accurately anyway to see that I did in fact scam you from the recruitment channel? Once again for the PL idiots, they only asked that YOU DO NOT SCAM IN THE RECRUITMENT CHANNEL. (made that last bit stand out for you as you seem to be unable to comprehend the easy bits) Since you are so dumb, that you need everything layed out plainly for you: Trusty Jutspezic wrote: ][18:16:37] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporationGÇÖs recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums. A goon was nice enough to do it for you. Now the easy opt out for ANY SCAM is to say you were first contacted through the recruitment channel. You then probably get whatever was scammed back, and the scammer banned. I know as dumb as you are that its hard to get your head around that, but you... wait for it....\ DON'T NEED LOGS TO PROVE ANY OF IT All they need do with that wording is suggest you contacted them after you were in the recruitment channel and suddenly they're a criminal, which is stupid. Recruitment scamming is an old tradition in EVE, scamming period is an old tradition in EVE, thats brought a lot of business, this basically kills it in one sentence, by giving the person scammed the option of just saying "He met me in the recruitment channel then scammed me outside of it".
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 159	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:04:00 - [33] - Quote Smiling Menace wrote: SIGH No, you emboldened the part scammers are concerned about. I suspect the vast majority of EVE doesn't even know there is a recruitment channel. Even if they did, I doubt they would care that PL/Goons can't get their jollies on scamming the gullible. What you mean that channel that opens up every time you join an NPC corp or start a new account? Smiling Menace wrote: If you are that worried about being banned, don't scam anyone. If you don't care, scam away. No this is stupid, thats the point, EVE wouldn't have half its players if it weren't for the high profile scams that have gone on in it (cited as one of the biggest draws to the game, the old GHSC scams)
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 28	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:18:00 - [34] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: Smiling Menace wrote: SIGH No, you emboldened the part scammers are concerned about. I suspect the vast majority of EVE doesn't even know there is a recruitment channel. Even if they did, I doubt they would care that PL/Goons can't get their jollies on scamming the gullible. What you mean that channel that opens up every time you join an NPC corp or start a new account? Smiling Menace wrote: If you are that worried about being banned, don't scam anyone. If you don't care, scam away. No this is stupid, thats the point, EVE wouldn't have half its players if it weren't for the high profile scams that have gone on in it (cited as one of the biggest draws to the game, the old GHSC scams) Sorry, it's been a long time since I was in an NPC corp or started a new account so I don't really remember which channels were open on default. Bit sad to be scamming new players as they don't have anything anyway. I don't mean to be rude here but I have to call bullshit on 50% of the EVE player base only playing because they heard about some scams. I will bet you that in a straw poll the majority of players that joined in the last few years didn't even know about most of the major scams. Personally I think you are all reading too much into this and creating drama where there is none. You are trying to work out hypothetical scenarios that have no basis in fact. Scam and get banned when not scamming in the recruitment channel then I will see your point of view. Until then, be careful out there....even the GMs will scam you.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 272	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:20:00 - [35] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: [ know as dumb as you are that its hard to get your head around that, but you... wait for it....\ DON'T NEED LOGS TO PROVE ANY OF IT All they need do with that wording is suggest you contacted them after you were in the recruitment channel and suddenly they're a criminal, which is stupid. I'm sure Goons are smart enough to figure out that the way around this is to have a single representative in the recruitment channel, and make the scam recruitment offers from an uninvolved third party, aren't they? Or if it turns out that "victims" don't need logs to "prove" that they were scammed, you could just contract a heap of stuff to someone you don't like, then tell CCP that they recruitment-scammed you! OMG! How easy would that be to exploit? Why are you complaining about this instead of forming new meta-scams? I swear, the reason you guys love The Mittani so much is because he's the only one with a brain.
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 28	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:23:00 - [36] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: Smiling Menace wrote: - So let me get this straight, you are saying that as CCP don't keep accurate logs (allegedly) that if I were to scam you and you cry that it was from the recruitment channel that CCP would check the logs that they supposedly don't keep accurately anyway to see that I did in fact scam you from the recruitment channel? Once again for the PL idiots, they only asked that YOU DO NOT SCAM IN THE RECRUITMENT CHANNEL. (made that last bit stand out for you as you seem to be unable to comprehend the easy bits) Since you are so dumb, that you need everything layed out plainly for you: Trusty Jutspezic wrote: ][18:16:37] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporationGÇÖs recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums. A goon was nice enough to do it for you. Now the easy opt out for ANY SCAM is to say you were first contacted through the recruitment channel. You then probably get whatever was scammed back, and the scammer banned. I know as dumb as you are that its hard to get your head around that, but you... wait for it....\ DON'T NEED LOGS TO PROVE ANY OF IT All they need do with that wording is suggest you contacted them after you were in the recruitment channel and suddenly they're a criminal, which is stupid. Recruitment scamming is an old tradition in EVE, scamming period is an old tradition in EVE, thats brought a lot of business, this basically kills it in one sentence, by giving the person scammed the option of just saying "He met me in the recruitment channel then scammed me outside of it". Well going with your utterly stupid scenario, why not just counter claim that he scammed you from the recruitment channel first? A double-double scam. I know as dumb as you are that its hard to get your head around that, but you... wait for it....\ DON'T NEED LOGS TO PROVE ANY OF IT Jesus dude, use your brain before posting. Right, just to make myself really clear on this...your argument is anyone can make any claim that they were scammed from the recruitment channel but don't need logs to prove anything. If that's the case the argument works in reverse for the scammer too. It all falls apart if the claims made in this thread that CCP don't keep accurate logs and don't check them is pure conjecture and bullshit spread by certain elements in EVE.
Steelshine Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 42	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:59:00 - [37] - Quote CCP, one step forward with the winter patch. Three steps back supporting the standard of retardation and communication blunders. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6C9RBMCJOY
Elenor Pewpew The New Era C0NVICTED 0	Posted - 2011.11.10 04:09:00 - [38] - Quote Albeit attempting to argue with the empire dwelling pubbies in here, I'll just add my voice to say I do not like this change to the MOTD of the recruitment channel.
Probably Smashed GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2011.11.10 04:30:00 - [39] - Quote I see a lot of complaints about 'Goonwaffe scamming newbies'. Newbies don't have any isk, why would we scam them?
Harold Tuphlos Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 27	Posted - 2011.11.10 04:31:00 - [40] - Quote ccp still being :ccp:
Kugutsumen Dot Com La Blue Girl KUGUTSUMEN. 72	Posted - 2011.11.10 04:40:00 - [41] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Silly tard, goons =/= Eve. Btw, your stuff and sov, can I haz? I don't know if you can have his stuff, but you already have as much sov as him. Probably Smashed wrote: I see a lot of complaints about 'Goonwaffe scamming newbies'. Newbies don't have any isk, why would we scam them? This is a good point. edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation 103	Posted - 2011.11.10 04:47:00 - [42] - Quote ******** Dot Com wrote: edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy." No they dont.... Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's If that's what it says...it's policy...period. I'm enjoying the "oh ** PANIC!" posts by the scammers.... Never mind the fact they are only interesting in policing recruitment chat. But it seems everyone wants their tin foil hats and to say "The sky is falling!" Ok chicken little's! Off you go!
NGTM1R Schrodinger's Labs 43	Posted - 2011.11.10 04:50:00 - [43] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:). The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority. Night
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation 103	Posted - 2011.11.10 05:10:00 - [44] - Quote NGTM1R wrote: Drake Draconis wrote: Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:). The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority. The only fool here is the one ignoring the obvious. But since you can't see the obvious...you only have yourself to blame...so please...grow up....grow a brain....and go to your cave troll. -1/10
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 160	Posted - 2011.11.10 05:18:00 - [45] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: NGTM1R wrote: Drake Draconis wrote: Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:). The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority. The only fool here is the one ignoring the obvious. But since you can't see the obvious...you only have yourself to blame...so please...grow up....grow a brain....and go to your cave troll. -1/10 Don't worry, they don't need to argue with you, or even try to have a relevant discussion with you. All they have to do to make you look dumber than you currently look is flood all the major news outlets with another nasty story about CCP. They've shown they'll revert a change in a heart beat if it causes bad press. Stupid goonies spent the summer fixing your game, they must be ******** right??
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation 103	Posted - 2011.11.10 05:25:00 - [46] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: Drake Draconis wrote: NGTM1R wrote: Drake Draconis wrote: Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's Ah, another new fool with no conception of CCP's schizophrenic history on GM pronouncements at various levels. Any "the logs show nothing" idiot can change the channel. Anyone with experience with the petition system knows that such people are reversed on appeal to higher authority 50% the time (and then reversed again and that's reversed once more, because :Icelanders:). The first layer of GMs are often regarded as a joke. They rarely seem to know anything about the game, or have more than a nodding relationship with logic. That's why someone wants to hear from a higher authority. The only fool here is the one ignoring the obvious. But since you can't see the obvious...you only have yourself to blame...so please...grow up....grow a brain....and go to your cave troll. -1/10 Don't worry, they don't need to argue with you, or even try to have a relevant discussion with you. All they have to do to make you look dumber than you currently look is flood all the major news outlets with another nasty story about CCP. They've shown they'll revert a change in a heart beat if it causes bad press. Stupid goonies spent the summer fixing your game, they must be ******** right?? Ok...so quit your subscription. Because that's what it REALLY took to get CCP to change. Lets be honest now my foolish friend. Oh can I has your stuffs? 8)
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 165	Posted - 2011.11.10 05:49:00 - [47] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: Ok...so quit your subscription. Because that's what it REALLY took to get CCP to change. Lets be honest now my foolish friend. Yea, bad press totally didn't have anything to do with the subscription numbers or new players trying out for it. My bad.
Kugutsumen Dot Com La Blue Girl KUGUTSUMEN. 73	Posted - 2011.11.10 06:29:00 - [48] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: ********** Dot Com wrote: edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy." No they dont.... Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's If that's what it says...it's policy...period. Never in the history of the world has an exasperated minion said or done something that contradicted actual policy. Luckily all it would take to solve this mystery/debate/whathaveyou is a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy."
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 108	Posted - 2011.11.10 06:35:00 - [49] - Quote Drake Darconis, you know better than this. You know full well how the whole CCP thing works, and by extension you know full well how this is going to pan out. Someone is going to get scammed, and they are going to use the "but I was in the recruitment channel a while ago, they must have seen me through that", even though the char doing the actual scam isn't even hear the recruitment channel. You have to be able to see that in a game where people use neutral alts to provide logistical support to game the system, or flip cans etc, something like this is going to be abused to get revenge because they were being dumbfucks and got scammed.
Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2011.11.10 06:40:00 - [50] - Quote ******** Dot Com wrote: Drake Draconis wrote: ******** Dot Com wrote: edit: This entire thing could be solved by a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy." No they dont.... Recruitment channel can only be managed by GM/Dev's If that's what it says...it's policy...period. Never in the history of the world has an exasperated minion said or done something that contradicted actual policy. Luckily all it would take to solve this mystery/debate/whathaveyou is a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy." How about "Yes, this is our policy, and it applies to all of Eve, not just a channel?" When a dog gets too feisty, it gets kicked. Very smart of you to try to stir up trouble against CCP and rest of Eve player base. Whatever "clarification" comes, it won't be the one you delusional tards are looking for. Enjoy the gray area while it's still around.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 108	Posted - 2011.11.10 06:45:00 - [51] - Quote Goose99 wrote: How about "Yes, this is our policy, and it applies to all of Eve, not just a channel?" How about "Hey, why did EVE Online turn into Hello Kitty Online, where everyone is protected from their own stupidity by Daddy CCP"?
Kugutsumen Dot Com La Blue Girl KUGUTSUMEN. 73	Posted - 2011.11.10 07:23:00 - [52] - Quote Goose99 wrote: ********** Dot Com wrote: Luckily all it would take to solve this mystery/debate/whathaveyou is a dev coming in here and saying "Yes this is our new policy" or "No, this is not our policy." How about "Yes, this is our policy, and it applies to all of Eve, not just a channel?" When a dog gets too feisty, it gets kicked. Very smart of you to try to stir up trouble against CCP and rest of Eve player base. Whatever "clarification" comes, it won't be the one you delusional tards are looking for. Enjoy the gray area while it's still around. If that's what they say, that's what they say. I'm not trying to stir up trouble, all I am saying (the only claim I have made) is that this issue could be resolved by a dev coming in here and saying if it is or isn't CCP policy. That is the only thing I am claiming: That the question as to if this is or isn't CCP policy could be answered by a CCP Dev coming in here and saying if it is or isn't.
Steelshine Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 43	Posted - 2011.11.10 08:19:00 - [53] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: Ok...so quit your subscription. Because that's what it REALLY took to get CCP to change. Lets be honest now my foolish friend. Oh can I has your stuffs? 8) I was having a pretty good night. Then you reminded me there are people as stupid as you out in the world
mental maverick Percussive Diplomacy 1	Posted - 2011.11.10 09:44:00 - [54] - Quote I can somewhat understand CCP not wanting blatant scam ads clogging up the recruitment channel because of new players, even if i don't agree with it, but this part right here: "this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam" is completely ******** tbh. This WILL get abused. Are all you hurfblurfscammertearsarejuicynomnom-retards really not able to see this? Are you THAT stupid?
Florestan Bronstein The Waterworks 158	Posted - 2011.11.10 11:54:00 - [55] - Quote don't see the big deal, there are many other player-operated chat channels with "no scamming" rules if you don't like the new rule, set up your own recruitment channel and advertise it. DHD getting banned does more good to EVE than every other change in the winter expansion combined.
Lord Zim Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 111	Posted - 2011.11.10 12:10:00 - [56] - Quote Florestan Bronstein wrote: don't see the big deal, there are many other player-operated chat channels with "no scamming" rules And those are governed by CCP, are they? Florestan Bronstein wrote: if you don't like the new rule, set up your own recruitment channel and advertise it. 2 hours and 10 minutes to read the post above you, and you still post this. :golfclap:
HELIC0N ONE GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 23	Posted - 2011.11.10 13:15:00 - [57] - Quote Florestan Bronstein wrote: if you don't like the new rule, set up your own recruitment channel and advertise it. Why would anyone look for a new corp in an unofficial recruitment channel which is just like the official one with the added 'feature' that you might get scammed? Why would any legitimate recruiter be using an unofficial recruitment channel rather than the official CCP approved scam-free-zone? Perhaps CCP should apply this 'no sandboxing allowed' policy to other aspects of the game. Maybe a region should be a designated zone for 1v1 combat only, where CCP ban anyone who uses dishonourable tactics in PvP? Maybe highsec ice belts should be a CCP-approved miner-only zone where suicide gankers are banned and all dead hulks are reimbursed by GMs? Maybe Jita 4-4 should be for 'fair' trading only and any form of market manipulation is a petitionable offence? After all, if we don't like the new rules we could always go and sandbox somewhere else!
Yeep GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 25	Posted - 2011.11.10 13:26:00 - [58] - Quote Florestan Bronstein wrote: don't see the big deal, there are many other player-operated chat channels with "no scamming" rules In a player run channel if I break the rules I get kicked from the channel In a CCP run channel I guess I get my account banned The main currency in EvE is not ISK or AUR, its trust. In a player run channel I have to trust that the people running the channel are going to uphold the rules, that they're not colluding with scammers to take my money. Those people have to earn my trust either directly or through the opinions of other people I already trust. In a CCP run channel where scamming is banned it completely removes trust from the equation. Nobody has to work for my trust because it is provided for them by CCP. This is why this change is stupid.
Velicitia Open Designs 81	Posted - 2011.11.10 13:33:00 - [59] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Tomytronic wrote: whine & butthurt Wrong. What they do is checking chat logs in their channel. Their channel, their rules. The logs ... they show nothing.

GM Thunder Game Masters C C P Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.11.10 14:41:00 - [60] - Quote The recent update of the channel MOTD is not a policy change, scamming was not allowed in the recruitment channel before and it was stated in the previous MOTD. However, the channel was still being used to scam players, hence the update and clarification of the GÇÿno scammingGÇÖ policy. For your convenience I have included a copy of the previous MOTD: 'Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion and scamming are not permitted in this channel. An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.' GM Thunder Senior Game Master EVE Online Customer Support


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