It has come to my attention that a Game Master known as "GM Thunder" has recently altered the topic text of the public channel "recruitment" to reflect a change of policy disallowing scamming and fraudulent activities to occur within the channel, or to be used as a channel with which to find targets for such activities.


It is my opinion, and the opinion of many other EVE Online players, that this is an encroachment upon the activities of players that use the recruitment channel.


Scamming has long been part of the EVE culture and has long been a promotional tool by CCP to draw new players to the game. The permission of such activities is a display of the truly sandbox nature of the harsh, hypercapitalistic EVE universe and the recent rule change in the recruitment channel encroaches on the true sandbox that the game provides for its players.


From TenTonHammer to PCGamer, the proliferation of EVE Online scams in gaming media has been a powerful driving force for EVE's current popularity. The draw of a true sandbox where your actions have legitimate consequences is a very powerful niche that isn't filled by any other game, and that includes the dangers of interacting with players on a regular basis. From the fall of BoB at the hands of a disgruntled director to the massive thefts of iterations of large EVE banks and investments to supercapital holding scams, the scamming culture is very deep-rooted and an important part of EVE Online.


Additionally, this change of rules presents a considerable workload increase on GMs as well as issues with burden of proof; cases where recruitment is used as a "hunting ground" will be exceptionally difficult to prove and even more difficult to enforce punishment for the use of such channels.


I would like this petition to be escalated to a senior GM who can reverse this recent change and, if the change is not reverted, respond to this petition with a clarification and justification as to why this new rule has been placed.


The full text for the recruitment channel's topic will be pasted below for easy reference.






[18:16:37] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporationGÇÖs recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.

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Wrong. What they do is checking chat logs in their channel. Their channel, their rules.

somehow I feel this isn't going to hurt your devilish profession a whole heck of alot.

Thats not the point, the point is that in CCPs rush to make the game safe for new players by removing concord insurance payouts, and 'no scamming basically anywhere because now the person just says you did it in the recruitment channel' they're just going to drive away the current player base.

Thats not the point, the point is that in CCPs rush to make the game safe for new players by removing concord insurance payouts, and 'no scamming basically anywhere because now the person just says you did it in the recruitment channel' they're just going to drive away the current player base.

Thats been CCP's constant problem, pissing off what they have in hopes they get something more, and the something more never materializes, and for a company that just had to lay off 20% of its staff, losing more customers isn't really that great of an idea.

And you can say boo hoo all you want, but there will be a tipping point where the loss becomes unsustainable for a small company like them and they just have to close the game out.

At some point its time to stop reaching for the sky and take care of what you have at home.

This might as well be a blanket ban on scamming in a game made famous by scams, because its so easy to work around its ********.



And you are a ******, high line scams have resulted in more EVE subs then any advertising they've ever done. The scams made EVE.

Maybe you should take a step back and realize that CCP want's to make sure pilots have some semblience of confidence that when they join a corporation and not worry about getting ####ed over out the door.

Silly tard, goons =/= Eve.

Btw, your stuff and sov, can I haz?

CCP is safeguarding its own bottom line. There should be no explanation, none is needed.

More importantly, U MAD BRO?

I would like this petition to be escalated to a senior GM who can reverse this recent change and, if the change is not reverted, respond to this petition with a clarification and justification as to why this new rule has been placed.

You sound like an old friend of mine named T'Elk, needless to say literally everyone stopped listening to him after about 3 sentences.

Explain how there is no bottom line needed in a Sandbox game? I have nothing wrong with protecting noobs, I doubt even Goons has a problem with that, but this current idea has a lot of grey areas that at the very least should be explained.

That or at least refine the idea to something more clearcut, like scamming a character of a certain date or SP total.

But seriously every time you post U mad a kitten dies.

The original letter is very clear about its purpose.




In other words, if the change in wording on the recruitment channel is not a sanctioned change by CCP please revert it. If it is an official change in policy, please explain it.

In addition, I would like to know why such a change occurred without public scrutiny and feedback.

I don't think that list of requests is unreasonable and I do not think it should occur without comment and scrutiny.

It should not simply appear out of the blue and we should not accept such large changes to the game when they occur on a day to day basis out of the blue.

[18:16:37] EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted.No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporationGÇÖs recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums.

I made the relevant part of the MOTD bold and underlined for those that didn't train reading comprehension to level 5.

It's very clear that no scamming is allowed in the recruitment channel. Does not say you cannot scam, cheat, steal and lie your way through every other aspect in EVE. Goons can rest easy now that their main entertainment stream hasn't been removed.

No more tears required ladies, go about your business now.

I made the relevant part of the MOTD bold and underlined for those that didn't train reading comprehension to level 5.

It's very clear that no scamming is allowed in the recruitment channel. Does not say you cannot scam, cheat, steal and lie your way through every other aspect in EVE. Goons can rest easy now that their main entertainment stream hasn't been removed.

No more tears required ladies, go about your business now.

So what happens when you scam me and i just claim you did it from the recruitment channel, you know, that channel that is spammed 23/7?

You expect me to believe that CCP keeps accurate logs of that, this, the company that can't tell you if your ship was in a tower or not?

All you need do is make the claim, and with CCP's recent heavy handed ban first ask questions later it opens up a world of problems.

Not to mention that corp scamming is as old as the game, why is it suddenly illegitimate to recruitment scam?

Like ive been saying..... its just one ####ing channel.

Bolded the part we're all concerned about, bub. The way that's worded makes actions outside the channel subject to the arbitrary whims of whatever banhappy butan-jockey is manning the GM posts nowadays.