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Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 8	Posted - 2011.11.09 23:59:00 - [1] - Quote I was very excited when 'Factional Warfare' was one of the titles in CCP Hilmar's devblog. I have watched with excitement as the Winter Expansion feature set has grown and grown, it really looks like CCP has gone back to their roots and are delivering some great stuff. It really is very exciting! But Factional Warfare is the reason I log in to play everyday. Please, please, please can we get something, just a quick sentence, from a dev to update us on whether the promised updates to Factional Warfare are: - In the expansion, and therefore probably in a dev blog we just haven't seen yet - Going the same way as Assualt Frigates i.e. 'we want to do something, can't squeeze it in, but will try to do something soon' - Have been cut. Just a little teeny response, that all I need..... Yours grovelingly, Uppsy Daisy
Hershman G-Weezy 62	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:05:00 - [2] - Quote Faction Warfare = My delight I still like the old Faction Warfare, but do think a little update would be appreciated greatly.
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 79	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:05:00 - [3] - Quote "On your knees" Don't give CCP any ideas "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Two step Aperture Harmonics K162 409	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:07:00 - [4] - Quote It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten... CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog What does CSM 6 do?
Hershman G-Weezy 62	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:11:00 - [5] - Quote Eh... that doesn't sound too promising... welp.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:12:00 - [6] - Quote Paragon Renegade wrote: "On your knees" Don't give CCP any ideas unziping sound and pulling out.... . . . . . . . . . . ... a six inch.... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ...cold cut sanwich from his lunchbag What? You can't have any nom nom nom nom nom
Salpun Paramount Commerce 48	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:15:00 - [7] - Quote Given that the majority of BFF and Papercuts stuff has not made its way to Sisi yet. or so is the rumer, besides the balancing stuff. Soundwave says his teams stuff will start to show up on Sisi soon per twitter. As the latest sprint is just finishing up I expect to see more today or early next week becouse of the mass test later today on Sisi.
Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 76	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:23:00 - [8] - Quote must... fight... on... knees... joke.... Two step wrote: It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten... lol... "ppl still want updates on faction warfare" "uh -huh" "ok, on to next business" They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. 63	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:35:00 - [9] - Quote One can only hope that it will be looked at seriously in the near future. Slade
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 366	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:39:00 - [10] - Quote Richard Hammond II wrote: must... fight... on... knees... joke.... Hey I finally got the knees thing. It is about sucking cocks. Huge weight off my mind.

Pok Nibin Viziam Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2011.11.10 00:43:00 - [11] - Quote Get off your knees. It's undignified. Go shoot the statue in Jita if you're after forward movement. It seems to work. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to.
Tefeyel Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:11:00 - [12] - Quote Factional warfare=carebear version of nullsec.
Red Teufel Eternity Inc 12	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:36:00 - [13] - Quote get on your knees... and choke yourself!
Hershman G-Weezy 63	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:49:00 - [14] - Quote Tefeyel wrote: Factional warfare=carebear version of nullsec. Who has misinformed you like this, good Sir?
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 29	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:51:00 - [15] - Quote Two step wrote: It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten... Does the CSM even know anything about the current FW? Does the CSM have an idea on were FW should go? Does the CSM believe FW is for "noob pvp"? Does the CSM think FW is a bridge to null? For the love of god, get ride of the mission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 29	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:53:00 - [16] - Quote Tefeyel wrote: Factional warfare=carebear version of nullsec. I was going to reply with something insulting, but I remembered Null Bears don't actually matter. Some really good skills you boys have down thier. Must be hard to get kills what with 300 men all hitting the...... I actually stopped caring here.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 302	Posted - 2011.11.10 01:58:00 - [17] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: [thread title: i'm on my knees} very excited with excitement has grown and grown It really is very exciting! play everyday. squeeze it Just a little teen Yours grovelingly, Uppsy Daisy You should stop talking like that, really. Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 366	Posted - 2011.11.10 02:06:00 - [18] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: [thread title: i'm on my knees} very excited with excitement has grown and grown It really is very exciting! play everyday. squeeze it Just a little teen Yours grovelingly, Uppsy Daisy You should stop talking like that, really. I could stand to hear a little more... I'll be in my bunk.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 469	Posted - 2011.11.10 02:51:00 - [19] - Quote Great guys, thanks for taking a legitimate complaint (the lack of CCP or CSM recognition that they're listening at all) and turning it into a thread about male genitalia. Way to represent.
Alara IonStorm RvB - BLUE Republic 366	Posted - 2011.11.10 02:54:00 - [20] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Great guys, thanks for taking a legitimate complaint (the lack of CCP or CSM recognition that they're listening at all) and turning it into a thread about male genitalia. Way to represent. Apparently girls don't like a guy too get down there.

Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 469	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:03:00 - [21] - Quote Two step wrote: It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten... Well, that's a start... I appreciate you being a voice for us. I have a few questions in the mean time, that dont have to wait for a summit... When is the summit? What do you as CSM have to say about Faction Warfare? What ideas are you bringing to the table? Is this a discussion about whether to fix FW, or how to fix FW? We appreciate the clarification, you have to understand its been several years of one-line responses, so even like 5 or 6 lines right now would be much more than we're used to receiving. The community has poured a ton of time and effort into sharing their vision for how FW can bring greater depth to lowsec and continue to provide a rich PvP experience to EvE. I hope the CSM has an opportunity to read the appropriate threads (the largest is in general discussion, but theres also feedback in features and ideas, as well as the assembly hall) and catch up on the discussion. Please do check in with us soon and let us know when the summit is as well as what the CSM would like to offer to the FW conversation. We're looking forward to hearing from you!
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 184	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:17:00 - [22] - Quote CCP has no vision about FW, they do not have a coherent image of what it would be nor anyone to advocate for it on your behalf. I don't know if anyone on the CSM is a FW person, but there simply isn't a voice for FW in any place relevant to the product. I'm sorry for you. AG Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow? Welcome to Eve Online where lasers are dumber than barrels!
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 71	Posted - 2011.11.10 03:20:00 - [23] - Quote OK - typing this for the third time as forums do not like < tl ; dr > all being on the one line, and informs me so and removes my post!!! IF IT IS ILLEGAL CHARACTERS - DON'T REMOVE MY TEXT CCP - LET ME FIX IT All that has happened regarding FW is that 1) CSM have said that they are talking to CCP about it and that they don't know much about it (e.g. Mittens) 2) Soundwave lobs his "remove navy" hand grenade and leaves a discussion thread raging back and forth with no further input from CCP 3) Null sec plebs continue to "explain" to FW members that they are really carebears who understand NOTHING about PvP (tl;dr) No fixes for FW are evident, and the closest we have are some ship rebalances (especially the Dramiel) and the addition of a PI blue print (customs office) to the FW (and Concord) LP stores... Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 470	Posted - 2011.11.10 05:58:00 - [24] - Quote Apollo Gabriel wrote: CCP has no vision about FW, they do not have a coherent image of what it would be nor anyone to advocate for it on your behalf. I don't know if anyone on the CSM is a FW person, but there simply isn't a voice for FW in any place relevant to the product. I'm sorry for you. AG CCP doesnt have to have a coherent vision of what FW could be....the players have been providing feedback for years now. There's many commonly proposed fixes and upgrades that could take place, without even needing a sweeping overhaul. That was the entire point of my (now) 28 page thread. Hopefully CCP Soundwave has been reading the thread and listening to the feedback for his proposal. There also is no excuse for the CSM to "not know much about FW" . I have personally sent them all links not only to blogs where players go into great detail about how much fun they have with FW, but also what it brings to the game in general. They also have links to all the relevant discussions currently taking place regarding simple ways to enrich a part of the game that is very relevant to many players, and keeps a good number of subscriptions active. The only reason why the CSM and CCP shouldn't have a whole stack of items to discuss when they meet for the summit is that they have chosen to not take the time to listen to the players. I sincerely hope this is not the case, I have a lot of respect for the CSM given what they've manage to accomplish so far. I will hold out hope until the summit that at least ONE of them has the integrity and respect for the player base to listen to the Faction Warfare community and express their ideas to CCP on upgrades and improvements. Besides, we wouldn't even be in this thread for the umpteenth time if it weren't that both the CSM and CCP continually say "its on the table for discussion" *If you are indeed correct, and the FW has no future, than now is the time for CSM or CCP to simply say so.* I think we've all said countless times, we wouldn't keep at this if we weren't being baited along by a chain of promises. All it takes is one person in the development discussions to come clean and say that its not going to happen, and we'd all stop posting and move on. Until than, we all just care too much about this part of the game, and the portion of the EvE Community that it serves, to give up. Faction Warfare has so much untapped potential for revitalizing lowsec, and providing a strong place for sub-capital PvP to fluorish, if it were only given a little attention. The players have already shared their visions - all CSM or CCP has to do is listen.
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 11	Posted - 2011.11.10 09:23:00 - [25] - Quote Just. One. Little. Tiny. CCP. Update. . . . . . . .

CCP Konflikt CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance 37	Posted - 2011.11.10 09:57:00 - [26] - Quote No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.)

Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 11	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:09:00 - [27] - Quote Whoopee! I did it!!
Super Chair Hell's Revenge 27	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:12:00 - [28] - Quote Please tell me you at least made FW plexes spawn more than once a day
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 815	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:12:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) If you removed your monocle I'd give you a like ... The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 11	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:20:00 - [30] - Quote Now all I need is an argument between Damar/Bad Messenger and X Gallentius/Chatgris with the odd comment from Hirana Yoshida and my thread will be complete!

Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3067	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:26:00 - [31] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: I was very excited when 'Factional Warfare' was one of the titles in CCP Hilmar's devblog. I have watched with excitement as the Winter Expansion feature set has grown and grown, it really looks like CCP has gone back to their roots and are delivering some great stuff. It really is very exciting! But Factional Warfare is the reason I log in to play everyday. Please, please, please can we get something, just a quick sentence, from a dev to update us on whether the promised updates to Factional Warfare are: - In the expansion, and therefore probably in a dev blog we just haven't seen yet - Going the same way as Assualt Frigates i.e. 'we want to do something, can't squeeze it in, but will try to do something soon' - Have been cut. Just a little teeny response, that all I need..... Yours grovelingly, Uppsy Daisy Let me ask you a question, not at all intended to be trolling but a sincere inquiry. If you and other people are still so devoted to Factional Warfare to such an extent that it is "the reason I log in to play everyday," then what evidence is there to present to CCP that something needs to be done about it with regards to assigning development resources? Keep in mind that CCP, hf is a relatively small game company and that they have a finite number of employees working finite hours on specific projects. If you are happy with Factional Warfare, then this sends the message that the present content is sufficient. If your goal is to get more content added to it, then wouldn't it be more beneficial for you to extol how lacking in content it is? While it may be true that no one enjoys someone who constantly complains, it is also true that a complete lack of complaint is synonymous to silent endorsement. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 243	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:27:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) Aha! A small chance that will hit the FW scene. Good to hear some programming is going on! Now we can commence the speculation on what exactly will be done. - No more NPC shooting you in empire? - No more docking in enemy stations? - something else? My speculation is the no more docking in enemy stations. Since I like that idea the best and would shake up FW. also: knees :) and apparently ** isn't a bad word to say on these forums but *** is? - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Avila Cracko Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 86	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:45:00 - [33] - Quote ok... i dont know anything about FW... and writing this from no FW member point of view... but i have one guy i know thats starting EVE and i have one question from my NOOB side... Noobs dont know that FW exist untill they read forums and things like that... thats wrong. FW members are military... and that we should see and have feeling of it... - when ship skins are coming... i would like that they get free FW skins for ships (they cant sell it and when they leave FW they need to return it)... that way wee see our military members... - and can you make that we can see military members in overview and/or local (marked with some color/sign) so that we know in space that we just fly by one of ours soldiers. give us a feeling that our army exists.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 134	Posted - 2011.11.10 10:45:00 - [34] - Quote Two step wrote: It looks like there will be some FW discussion at the upcoming CSM summit. We aren't sure yet what that means, but you are not (totally) forgotten... Allow me to provide you with the transcript ahead of time: "We have been reading a lot of posts the past few weeks and know that FW needs something or other. We do not however have any idea of how to go about it as the original vision was never written down and the man-with-the-plan ran for the hills many moons ago. So we will start by removing all high-sec FW NPCs, increase bunker HP by another 100% as people are still not fighting over them and add some militia specific medals that can be acquired through the Nex store! We feel that FW as a whole is sound and healthy and will be even more so with a few targeted tweaks." They have no clue. They won't have a clue until they read up on the last three years worth of complaints about FW .. since they don't want anything to do with actual :effort: they will push some crappy (albeit snazzy!) and ultimately useless "feature" down out throats and call it a day. What comes after bitter? No longer feel that Bitter Vet covers it.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 31	Posted - 2011.11.10 11:05:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) IF its removing the navy from high sec, then you just made FW worse. I don't wanna see 14 Minnies sat outside Amarr station playing station games. Station Games are what bad pvpers do when they stop learning how to really pvp. So "IF" thats they small change, trash it please.
Garia666 T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire 7	Posted - 2011.11.10 11:11:00 - [36] - Quote if you want real faction warfare join red vs blue.. they got there **** on order and have great fun. ccp made it then abbandon it.
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 11	Posted - 2011.11.10 11:16:00 - [37] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: usual Goon jibber-jabber There have been plenty of threads on Factional Warfare content and the lack there-of over the years. If you were remotely interested in Factional Warfare, you would have read them. My intention was not to request or suggest content, it was to illicit an update on what CCP's plans are for the Winter Expansion, given that the CEO publically committed to there being changes to Factional War. I seem to have succeeded.
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 11	Posted - 2011.11.10 11:17:00 - [38] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Now all I need is an argument between Damar/Bad Messenger and X Gallentius/Chatgris with the odd comment from Hirana Yoshida and my thread will be complete! Excellent, good to see we've had the obligatory whinge from Hirana Yoshida. If Damar or Bad Messenger could start flaming QCATS or something like that, I think that would finish things off nicely.
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3075	Posted - 2011.11.10 11:37:00 - [39] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: usual Goon jibber-jabber There have been plenty of threads on Factional Warfare content and the lack there-of over the years. If you were remotely interested in Factional Warfare, you would have read them. My intention was not to request or suggest content, it was to illicit an update on what CCP's plans are for the Winter Expansion, given that the CEO publically committed to there being changes to Factional War. I seem to have succeeded. I am curious what you mean by "usualy Goon jibber-jabber". Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad
NeoTheo Dark Materials 2	Posted - 2011.11.10 11:38:00 - [40] - Quote sYnc Vir wrote: CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) IF its removing the navy from high sec, then you just made FW worse. I don't wanna see 14 Minnies sat outside Amarr station playing station games. Station Games are what bad pvpers do when they stop learning how to really pvp. So "IF" thats they small change, trash it please. Dont agree. FW atm (like the rest of lowsec) rewards blobbing. Making FW viable in empire would improve the game 500%. I want to be vulnerable when i am missioning in motsu to greater extent than i am now. Also, if they stop you being able to dock in enemy stations - station games are some what limited.

Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3079	Posted - 2011.11.10 12:18:00 - [41] - Quote NeoTheo wrote: sYnc Vir wrote: CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) IF its removing the navy from high sec, then you just made FW worse. I don't wanna see 14 Minnies sat outside Amarr station playing station games. Station Games are what bad pvpers do when they stop learning how to really pvp. So "IF" thats they small change, trash it please. Dont agree. FW atm (like the rest of lowsec) rewards blobbing. Making FW viable in empire would improve the game 500%. I want to be vulnerable when i am missioning in motsu to greater extent than i am now. Also, if they stop you being able to dock in enemy stations - station games are some what limited. I have done some FW in the past and last time I checked you can cap sites with a speed-tanked tech-1 frigate. This is not what I think of when I envision a game mechanic that "rewards blobbing". Chewing through millions of hit points of stationary structures as part of the sovereignty system? That rewards blobbing. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 11	Posted - 2011.11.10 12:21:00 - [42] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: usual Goon jibber-jabber There have been plenty of threads on Factional Warfare content and the lack there-of over the years. If you were remotely interested in Factional Warfare, you would have read them. My intention was not to request or suggest content, it was to illicit an update on what CCP's plans are for the Winter Expansion, given that the CEO publically committed to there being changes to Factional War. I seem to have succeeded. I am curious what you mean by "usualy Goon jibber-jabber". Your endless self-promotional meta-gaming.
sYnc Vir Wolfsbrigade 31	Posted - 2011.11.10 12:33:00 - [43] - Quote NeoTheo wrote: sYnc Vir wrote: CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) IF its removing the navy from high sec, then you just made FW worse. I don't wanna see 14 Minnies sat outside Amarr station playing station games. Station Games are what bad pvpers do when they stop learning how to really pvp. So "IF" thats they small change, trash it please. Dont agree. FW atm (like the rest of lowsec) rewards blobbing. Making FW viable in empire would improve the game 500%. I want to be vulnerable when i am missioning in motsu to greater extent than i am now. Also, if they stop you being able to dock in enemy stations - station games are some what limited. You're already at risk in high sec, no need to change it at all. Removing the Navy and allowing free roam to the enemy doesn't make one bit of sense. Not from a pvp or story point of view. High sec killing should be for the skilled pilot. Are you really going to think its fun when 20 Drams warp into you're mission and laugh as they kill you? Wheres the skill in that? All it would do is move the blob roams to were you have your overpriced mission boat. Once you can't make isk you'll just drop. FW needs more people moving into the low sec areas, not making it possible to spread the limit numbers there are now even thinner. As for Docking in enemies station. I know at lease 2 corps that do this right now. If thats the change then tie it into Sov.
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3079	Posted - 2011.11.10 12:35:00 - [44] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: usual Goon jibber-jabber There have been plenty of threads on Factional Warfare content and the lack there-of over the years. If you were remotely interested in Factional Warfare, you would have read them. My intention was not to request or suggest content, it was to illicit an update on what CCP's plans are for the Winter Expansion, given that the CEO publically committed to there being changes to Factional War. I seem to have succeeded. I am curious what you mean by "usualy Goon jibber-jabber". Your endless self-promotional meta-gaming. I'm not sure how I was promoting myself in that post, but okay wear that tinfoil hat if it makes you happy. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad
Black Dranzer 60	Posted - 2011.11.10 12:39:00 - [45] - Quote Faction Warfare needs incentivization more than anything else. Making Navy NPCs not shoot you would just make everything sort of Generic, like an opt-in PvP flag, until you do enough damage to the enemy navies to make them pissed off at you, so they just start shooting at you in their space anyway, and then you're back to square one.
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers 41	Posted - 2011.11.10 12:58:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) Small change? the whole thing needs a complete overhaull. the currant system is terrable, most folks dont even know there is actually a war going on between the factions, its more a cold war than anything, there is no effect on any of the empires for what goes on, the Amarr militia can not push on towards matar and tkae it even if they wanted to ( although i think that they really should) so come on get a finger out and do something worth while that reminds us the factions are at war and not make it feel like some glorified PvP arena with some extra LP. Edit: Also what happened to allowing alliances to join in FW?
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari 197	Posted - 2011.11.10 13:23:00 - [47] - Quote ITTigerClawIK wrote: Small change? the whole thing needs a complete overhaull. the currant system is terrable, most folks dont even know there is actually a war going on between the factions, its more a cold war than anything, there is no effect on any of the empires for what goes on, the Amarr militia can not push on towards matar and tkae it even if they wanted to ( although i think that they really should) so come on get a finger out and do something worth while that reminds us the factions are at war and not make it feel like some glorified PvP arena with some extra LP. Different level, really. What you want is more backstory effects for FW. That's a different level than wanting game mechanics changes to make FW more interesting. The one small change to really shake up FW would be to remove the post-DT plex redistribution. But I'm not holding my breath on that one. Another small change that would improve FW considerably would be to treat faction ships the same as T2 ships for complexes, i.e. no faction frigs in minors, no faction cruisers in mediums, etc. A third small change that would be really good for FW would be to remove NPCs from complexes and require a minimum ship size to run the timer (i.e. frig in minor, cruiser in medium, BC in major, BS in unrestricted). Removing faction NPCs in high-sec would just mean even more trade hub camps with neutral logistics, which is about as exciting as picking your nose. Would work better if hostiles were not allowed to dock at all in high-sec, but that still doesn't lead to exciting pvp. But it really just disincentivizes joining FW in the first place. Docking rights or station service changes would be interesting. Depends a lot on how they would do it.

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 143	Posted - 2011.11.10 14:51:00 - [48] - Quote Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator

Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 1049	Posted - 2011.11.10 15:53:00 - [49] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: I was very excited when 'Factional Warfare' was one of the titles in CCP Hilmar's devblog. I have watched with excitement as the Winter Expansion feature set has grown and grown, it really looks like CCP has gone back to their roots and are delivering some great stuff. It really is very exciting! But Factional Warfare is the reason I log in to play everyday. Please, please, please can we get something, just a quick sentence, from a dev to update us on whether the promised updates to Factional Warfare are: - In the expansion, and therefore probably in a dev blog we just haven't seen yet - Going the same way as Assualt Frigates i.e. 'we want to do something, can't squeeze it in, but will try to do something soon' - Have been cut. Just a little teeny response, that all I need..... Yours grovelingly, Uppsy Daisy Let me ask you a question, not at all intended to be trolling but a sincere inquiry. If you and other people are still so devoted to Factional Warfare to such an extent that it is "the reason I log in to play everyday," then what evidence is there to present to CCP that something needs to be done about it with regards to assigning development resources? Keep in mind that CCP, hf is a relatively small game company and that they have a finite number of employees working finite hours on specific projects. If you are happy with Factional Warfare, then this sends the message that the present content is sufficient. If your goal is to get more content added to it, then wouldn't it be more beneficial for you to extol how lacking in content it is? While it may be true that no one enjoys someone who constantly complains, it is also true that a complete lack of complaint is synonymous to silent endorsement. Let me recast your argument into a syllogism: Lots of Goons log on every day Goons are based in 0.0 If 0.0 is good enough for Goons to log in, 0.0 does not need fixing Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 470	Posted - 2011.11.10 17:04:00 - [50] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: Let me ask you a question, not at all intended to be trolling but a sincere inquiry. If you and other people are still so devoted to Factional Warfare to such an extent that it is "the reason I log in to play everyday," then what evidence is there to present to CCP that something needs to be done about it with regards to assigning development resources? Thanks, Lyris, an excellent question. I can't speak for Uppsy, but I'd be happy to answer from my own perspective. I am one of the many GÇ£born and bredGÇ¥ pilots who learned the game flying for the militia, and have been entertained long enough to still be around in the Faction Warfare scene despite it being GÇ£abandonedGÇ¥ by CCP. IGÇÖve placed alts in nullsec alliances, and done PvP in nullsec, as well as do my fair share of highsec ice mining for POS fuel and a few brief months of level 4GÇÖs before I moved to lowsec and never looked back. So IGÇÖve had a broad experience in EvE, and I strive to avoid tunnel vision when it comes to FW. I value all three sectors of EveGÇÖs gameplay GÇô nullsec, lowsec, and highsec, and ultimately see a balance of all three as the key to keeping the game strong and vibrant. Faction Warfare exists really on two levels GÇô there is the mechanics, and there is the community. Same as nullsec GÇô there is sovereignty mechanics, and resources out there (Sanctums, Havens, etc), but those are separate from the body of players that write the stories, define the action, and make it a full experience. One cannot exist without the other. As you have witnessed in nullsec, stagnation in mechanics or broken systems can bleed over into stagnation in player attitude and player activity, and cause boredom and dissatisfaction that kills the drive to continually fight and compete. Whether youGÇÖre talking about FW, or nullsec sov mechanics GÇô itGÇÖs the same principle. The game mechanics provide a skeleton for the players to flesh out with their own actions and activities. Faction Warfare has an excellent community GÇô top notch PvP talent, creative roleplayers, bloggers, storytellers, excellent FCGÇÖs and tacticians, and many fighters who take the initiative to go and find their own fights. We donGÇÖt have call to arms GÇô every pilot is expected to think independently and learn how to defend themselves whether solo roaming, in a gang, or in a large fleet. IGÇÖve truly come to appreciate the talent level in the militias GÇô it has progressed monumentally from the GÇ£newbie PvPGÇ¥ reputation that stuck with it for years, and remains to this day. Outsiders donGÇÖt see this, and I get that. YouGÇÖll just have to trust us, or come find us and fight for yourself to see. However, just like nullsec, old, broken, unattended mechanics have weakened and arguably broken the skeleton around which all that fun can be had. The community has been great, and kept FW running on fumes for years now, but its time to throw gasoline on the fire again. FW could be a lot of things GÇô a haven for small gang warfare (which is a MUCH greater test of pilot skill than flying a BS in a hundred man fleet, or flying a supercap GÇô both of which most of us find incredibly dull), it could be a training ground for new players who want to PvP without bubblecamps complicating their ability to casually roam and find fights, It provides a primary GÇ£food sourceGÇ¥ for lowsec piracy corps and alliances to build their gameplay around, and gives roleplayers a place to channel their efforts in a meaningful, non-arbitrary fashion. All of these potential benefits are killed by the current mission / complex system, which only gives the opportunity to change sov right after downtime, instead of round the clock plexing availability. Only a small fraction of the community even participates in the core FW mechanic, and its sadly timezone specific GÇô for most of us its just a giant static wardec to provide a concentrated bunch of targets to shoot and have fun with. The other major problem is the missions, which in some respect provide pvp (having them appear on overview is great for baiting fights) but sadly the AI is broken enough that it encourages farming. Thus, FW is filled with alts who use the rewards of FW (LP) not to keep them shipped up and fighting for their faction, but for pure wealth to be taken outside the community. Simple mission changes could require gang work to complete them, and encourage group on group activity, instead of just slicers chasing hounds, which gets old very fast. Some advocate a sweeping overhaul of FW, but many of us donGÇÖt even think thatGÇÖs necessary to start seeing growth. Incursion style sovereignty consequences would be 3pic, but I realize thatGÇÖs a lot of resources to dedicate to a minority community. However, there are many simpler fixes that can refresh the activity level, re-establish FW as the king of small-fleet pew pew, and break us free from farming alts and the boredom of plexing. I truly believe that there is a huge GÇ£bang for your buckGÇ¥ factor in FW, in that some effort from CCP will go a long way towards getting more subscriptions reactivated, and making lowsec vibrant and busy once again. I, and others here, are just the noisy ones willing to keep yapping, but there are silent thousands who simply gave up because they think CCP and the CSM gave up as well. I think that if FW changes are actually implemented, youGÇÖll see the appreciation shown from far more than just the vocal ones on the forums.

Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 470	Posted - 2011.11.10 17:05:00 - [51] - Quote Faction Warfare is not special. Those who say that are right. But the argument that GÇ£youGÇÖve had fun this far, why should be bother to fix itGÇ¥ could be used universally about any player request for improvement. CCP could have responded to the players by saying GÇ£youGÇÖre all still playing EvE, it canGÇÖt be that bad right?? Look GÇô we see Gallente ships flying and dying on killboards everyday, they must not be broken. YouGÇÖre all still using POSGÇÖs right? Why should we fix them?GÇ¥ but they chose instead to take time to listen, and I think youGÇÖll see a huge payoff in terms of subs come winter expansion. Same with FW. A lot of players have left the game because something they loved went ignored, and would come back if FW was fixed GÇô theyGÇÖre just not all on the forums saying so. Its for them that I personally have taken so much time to get the scene roaring again like it did when it was fresh and new. The excitement surrounding FW was fresh when I started playing, and its what got me hooked on EvE. I want to provide that excitement to other players as well. An old grudge-match between bittervets is fun for the bittervets, but I want to see it made fun again for the new players and die-hards alike, the way it was originally designed to function.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 470	Posted - 2011.11.10 17:15:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) Thank you so much Konflikt, every snippet of CCP response means a lot to us in the community. We're prone to assuming the worst, so this is great news. I'm excited to hear that FW change is not a myth, and to receive confirmation that its actually on someone's desk. Don't be a stranger here, definitely check in with us and lets us know how its coming along! We'd be thrilled to see a Dev Blog if someone in your team has the time to spare for it and you're far enough along you feel comfortable sharing. At least now everyone can relax that FW is not some "hot potato" that CCP refuses to touch. Also, I feel better knowing that "Team Pink Zombie Kittens" is working on FW. They sound much more badass than "Best Friends Forever". Zombies FTW.
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 15	Posted - 2011.11.10 17:31:00 - [53] - Quote Thanks Hans, a very good set of posts. I did reply to the Goon, but I did get cross with all their meta-gaming and my post was deleted by CCP. I am just that my begging has finally got a response, and that something is coming.
Karl Planck Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos 41	Posted - 2011.11.10 17:41:00 - [54] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Thanks Hans, a very good set of posts. I did reply to the Goon, but I did get cross with all their meta-gaming and my post was deleted by CCP. I am just that my begging has finally got a response, and that something is coming. That something that is a small change that will "shake up" fw? Yup. Sounds like we are getting the long awaited feature that every person in FW has been asking for, access to enemy high sec. BTW, if this get confirmed...... then we need someone to go to that god damn summit who actually knows about fw.
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 191	Posted - 2011.11.10 18:39:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) Site will respawn at regular periods not only after Downtime ... ok next? Imagine playing Donkey Kong where every barrel looks like it hits you. Would you rather I fix the barrels or Kong's shadow? Welcome to Eve Online where lasers are dumber than barrels!
Karl Planck Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos 41	Posted - 2011.11.10 18:55:00 - [56] - Quote sYnc Vir wrote: Karl Planck wrote: Uppsy Daisy wrote: Thanks Hans, a very good set of posts. I did reply to the Goon, but I did get cross with all their meta-gaming and my post was deleted by CCP. I am just that my begging has finally got a response, and that something is coming. That something that is a small change that will "shake up" fw? Yup. Sounds like we are getting the long awaited feature that every person in FW has been asking for, access to enemy high sec. BTW, if this get confirmed...... then we need someone to go to that god damn summit who actually knows about fw. hope that was ironic of course it was, my strong sense of sarcasm would have been obvious if you saw the vein in my forehead start to throb after reading the dev's response.
Zrygthn Azurlm Zharous Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2011.11.10 18:56:00 - [57] - Quote Please make it about pvp!! Don't add more crap for these dudes to farm in their stealth bombers while completely avoiding pvp.
mingetek DustWaffe DUST ALLIANCE 15	Posted - 2011.11.10 19:48:00 - [58] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) with luck most of the known exploits will be fixed. and so will be stealth bombers & alts online.
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 15	Posted - 2011.11.10 21:52:00 - [59] - Quote Now that we have a CCP response I guess some speculation about the feature is due. Let's start with the crowdsourced CSM feature requests on the EvE wiki in priority order (from the July 2011 crowdsourcing prioritisation): http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Factional_Warfare_-_Lack_of_Development_Part_2_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Factional_warfare_-_focus_and_goals_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Factional_Warfare_-_NPC_Review_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Factional_warfare_-_complex_spawning_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alliances_and_factional_warfare_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alliances_and_factional_warfare_pt2_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Factional_Warfare_-_CCP_Inaction_Towards_Bugs/Exploits_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Autopilot_settings_for_Factional_Warfare_%28CSM%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Factional_Warfare_-_Complex_Spawning_Part_2_%28CSM%29
Silence iKillYouu The Innocent Criminals 46	Posted - 2011.11.10 23:25:00 - [60] - Quote Asif the CSM know what FW needs.

Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 475	Posted - 2011.11.11 02:05:00 - [61] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: 1) Stop faction ships being equivalent to T1 ships for plexes. At the moment you bring a faction frig to a small plex or you lose. This would surely be easy. This is the only point of yours I take issue with - I think this should very specifically exclude pirate frigates, but normal fleet ships should be allowed. Otherwise, what is the point in having faction ships (firetails, slicers) as rewards for Faction Warfare, if you can't even use them in Faction Warfare? I dont think we should remove the fun out of the incentive designed to get you out and fighting by not letting you use them once you've earned them. The normal navy issue ships are quite fine the way they are. Pirate ships like the Dramiel, Daredevil, and cruor are easily on par with tech 2 ships, and therefore should be excluded with the tech 2 ships. Being able to fly a faction ship in faction warfare just makes sense. Besides, most arguments that involves "X sucks because X > Y" go out the window when you're talking gang warfare. A fleet of tech 1 ships can easily dispatch faction frigates and faction cruisers, depending on the skill of the FC and numbers. These plexes should not be 1 vs 1 scenarios most of the time. If they were, that may be an issue, but really the difference is minimal enough in a gang situation that most other factors matter more than the quality of the ship itself whether is a firetail or a rifter.
Simyaldee Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse 10	Posted - 2011.11.11 03:34:00 - [62] - Quote I see a lot of talking about the spawn mechanics and stuff so let me just make this point. Stuff like Pirate Ships in plexes, and plex spawning, among other things are more like bug fixes than anything else. They are important and should be fixed but they will take a minimal amount of coding and time as far as my limited knowledge goes. They SHOULD(Read probably won't) be fixed in time for the Winter patch. What it sounds to me is that the Devs are working on something significantly bigger than all of that. Something that will shake things up significantly. I am HOPING for a change in the Sov/Occupancy Mechanic . I am NOT hoping for the removal of High Sec navy NPCs. You know what that'll lead to? Jita ganking, 24/7 Yes maybe it'll get rid of some of the farming alts and missioners, but it'll cripple the Logistics of casual and noob players and widen the Engagement area to all of EVE. Which means that instead of just the low-sec area we have become accustomed to we have to chase each other across all of EVE. I just don't see that being a good move to bring more people to FW. And honestly? What do farming alts DO to us? Yes their annoying when you see them and they don't PvP . They can screw up our killboards when Loren Gallen and his various counterparts gank some pimped out missioning ship. And for those of us who do missions, they reduce the value of our items but whats with all the raging? WE know who we can count on and who we can't. Who we fight and who we don't. So I don't really see the point of extreme rage over the fact that the Entire militia isn't in our fleet and the entire opposing militia is in the others. Its annoying, but not game breaking. And while were at it, are we nominating FW positions for the CSM? Honestly if theres anybody I've seen forum wise that devotes enough time to FW topics that deserves that post its gotta be Hans. He should crash the summit anyway. Rip off his shirt and have FW painted on his chest. Run through the meeting screaming "FIX FACTION WARFARE!!"...i just had an AWESOME idea for a new poll :P.
Karl Planck Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos 41	Posted - 2011.11.11 03:51:00 - [63] - Quote Simyaldee wrote: And honestly? What do farming alts DO to us? Yes their annoying when you see them and they don't PvP . They can screw up our killboards when Loren Gallen and his various counterparts gank some pimped out missioning ship. And for those of us who do missions, they reduce the value of our items but whats with all the raging? WE know who we can count on and who we can't. Who we fight and who we don't. So I don't really see the point of extreme rage over the fact that the Entire militia isn't in our fleet and the entire opposing militia is in the others. Its annoying, but not game breaking. They devalue the isk that we should be making by being in fw. Its stupid that its imballanced. People going to farm no matter what, but the legion of alts flying around to make isk makes zero sense. As far as the CSM, i voted on piracy and fw last year. We don't have the numbers though =(
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 475	Posted - 2011.11.11 05:46:00 - [64] - Quote Simyaldee wrote: And while were at it, are we nominating FW positions for the CSM? Honestly if theres anybody I've seen forum wise that devotes enough time to FW topics that deserves that post its gotta be Hans. He should crash the summit anyway. Rip off his shirt and have FW painted on his chest. Run through the meeting screaming "FIX FACTION WARFARE!!"...i just had an AWESOME idea for a new poll :P. Shhhhhh!!! Don't spoil anything.....
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 17	Posted - 2011.11.11 10:30:00 - [65] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: This is the only point of yours I take issue with - I think this should very specifically exclude pirate frigates, but normal fleet ships should be allowed. Very sorry, I meant pirate frigates not faction ones.
Drackarn Shadows Of The Federation 1	Posted - 2011.11.11 10:59:00 - [66] - Quote Oi! CCP! Listen to the boss. A certain CCP CEO mentioned something about FW needing fixing or something recently FW has a decent fan base, nowhere near as big as it used to be because of the bugs, problems and issues that finallly got people fed up. I'm not going to list everything that needs fixing* as there are plenty of threads on what the issues are. I know several people who would come back if you fixed FW (then again and I'm sure there are just as many who would come back if you fixed X, Y or Z too) Everyone in Eve likes different things. I've done the high-sec carebear, NPC null-sec, sov holding null-sec etc and found FW to be the most fun for ME. I personally find 0.0 PvP poor in comparison especially compared to FW at it's peak in 2009. So come on, give FW the loving it needs. You'll not make everyone happy, but a decent number of your customers! And please, please, please DO NOT remove the NPC Navy from high-sec. The low-sec war zones should be the area for FW. All the fighting in one place. Spreading it out and having docking games on Dodixie, Jita, Amarr and Rens will just kill off FW. *OK maybe I will - Standings hit when remote repping GCC/-5 militia mates, plex spawning mechanic, system capture meaning nothing, mission LP more rewarding than PvP LP, FW as an ISK sink, storyline gone quiet (Tibus Heth et al) and so on and so on and so on (check the previous post for all the thread linkies) http://sandciderandspaceships.blogspot.com/
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 72	Posted - 2011.11.14 04:50:00 - [67] - Quote Bump - more info required. Are pink zombie kittens invading FW or not??? Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 486	Posted - 2011.11.14 17:46:00 - [68] - Quote Hey everyone - I've updated the Faction Warfare: Moving Forward thread, and made an up-to-date list of all the commonly agreed upon issues both major and minor regarding Faction Warfare. I will continue to update this as people remind me of anything I've missed, and I'll also update the list of linked resources regarding past discussion of FW and how to best improve it. The moving forward thread can continue to be the central place to post your feedback and discussion on the subject, keeping it consolidated makes it a lot easier on CCP and the CSM alike. Let me know if there's anything else I should add, I'm keeping the list at the top as being a list of issues, not hypothetical solutions, since we agree on the problems far more than we agree upon the answers, and the CSM members I've been speaking with reiterated that CCP much prefers a condensed, concrete issue list than a bunch of random player ideas for fixes. So that's what I'm trying to set up for them. Evemail me if you have anything you want added to those sticky lists, I'll keep it up to date as we head closer to the CSM summit the first week of December. Thanks everyone!
Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 21	Posted - 2011.11.22 17:34:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) Given that grovelling seems to be the only way to get any communication whatsoever out of CCP on Factional Warfare, maybe it is time for some more..... It looks like we are not getting anything in the first release for sure now. Pleeeeeeeeeease can I have an update?
TuonelanOrja Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2011.11.22 18:29:00 - [70] - Quote Tefeyel wrote: Factional warfare=carebear version of nullsec. nullsec=carebear version of highsec. what you think next will happen now

Uppsy Daisy Deteis Industries 21	Posted - 2011.11.28 16:37:00 - [71] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: No promises here.... but our team, Team Pink Zombie Kittens, is currently working on a CSM Request for Faction Warfare in this winter expansion, it's still being worked on and there's a chance we may not get to finish it this expansion but it will get done. I don't want to say what it is yet, but i hope you guys will like it, when it hits sisi. it's a small change that i hope will shake up the FW scene a little. (I know this doesn't really say too much, but I wanted you all to know it's on our programmer's screens atm.) Crucible Patch Notes wrote: Fixed an issue where Factional Warfare systems would run out of combat sites. GÇÿOutpostGÇÖ sites of all sizes will now respawn every 30 minutes in all Factional Warfare systems. Well that's the 'Plexes only spawn after downtime' fix everyone wanted. Thank you CCP! Lets hope we can get some more changes soon
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 564	Posted - 2011.11.28 17:01:00 - [72] - Quote HOLY MACKINAW!!! I can't believe it. I'm absolutely thrilled. It's only a first step, but a huge leap for those of us involved in Faction Warfare. Hats off to Team Pink Zombie Kittens, our new heroes.
Blnukem 192 Cauldron-Born Legion The Cauldron-Born 4	Posted - 2011.11.28 17:27:00 - [73] - Quote Now they just need to remove PL and we'll be set.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 564	Posted - 2011.11.28 17:33:00 - [74] - Quote Well, to be fair, Pandemic Legion was there in Amamake first, before FW even existed. Hard to blame them for returning to their ancestral hunting grounds for a while. Lets see how this pans out with the supercap nerf and the new BC's - we'll see how willing they are to drop them with the same frequency. Besides, Pandemic Legion are fun to engage and kill when they're not all in Nyx's.
Har Harrison Amarrian Retribution 116	Posted - 2011.11.29 01:09:00 - [75] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Well, to be fair, Pandemic Legion was there in Amamake first, before FW even existed. Hard to blame them for returning to their ancestral hunting grounds for a while. Lets see how this pans out with the supercap nerf and the new BC's - we'll see how willing they are to drop them with the same frequency. Besides, Pandemic Legion are fun to engage and kill when they're not all in Nyx's. ^^ This... Let us see how well PL can fight in low sec without their I WIN buttons and no bubbles or bombs... I see some good fights in the future and some expensive losses (hopefully for PL) Amarr Victor... Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!

CCP Konflikt CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance 115	Posted - 2012.01.05 11:48:00 - [76] - Quote I didn't say what this was earlier, but when SiSi starts up next, alliances will be able to join Faction Warfare. This will go out to TQ soonGäó. There are more improvements on the table for Faction Warfare.

Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 236	Posted - 2012.01.05 11:58:00 - [77] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: I didn't say what this was earlier, but when SiSi starts up next, alliances will be able to join Faction Warfare. .. With what restrictions? If you do it without then you are dooming FW to perpetual blobbing due to sheer numbers pouring in, you will crash the navy markets thus taking away the only source of revenue for most FW pilots while giving alliances access to yet another source. Please do us the courtesy of applying a modicum of thought to the problem before pushing one of your "fixes".
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.05 12:04:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: I didn't say what this was earlier, but when SiSi starts up next, alliances will be able to join Faction Warfare. This will go out to TQ soonGäó. There are more improvements on the table for Faction Warfare. The fact you think this is likely to "improve" FW indicates you are completely delusional. I'm serious Anyone in Minnie/Amarr FW remember when Reikoku joined FW for a couple of weeks after the disbanding of BoB? To say it unbalanced things was the understatement of the year, and that was just one (large) null-sec corp, not an alliance. Epic idea - lets have all the isk-rich bored null-sec players come fight the (relatively) isk-poor people of FW. Totally unbelievable, it really is and I'm very glad I'm no longer involved in it.
Karl Planck Heretic Academy 103	Posted - 2012.01.05 12:17:00 - [79] - Quote Well, a lot of ppl asked for this and it is a realatively easy fix. I always thought it was a terribad idea, but here is hoping for the best.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.05 12:39:00 - [80] - Quote Karl Planck wrote: Well, a lot of ppl asked for this and it is a realatively easy fix. I always thought it was a terribad idea, but here is hoping for the best. At first glance it looks like another FU to new players. At second glance it looks like a FU to anyone who isn't rich enough to absorb upwards of 500mill in losses/month - and I'd say that'd be the very low-end of losses. Edit - I mean non-alliance FW players here and I base that on what I saw RKK do to all of the FW corps back when they were in temporarily. Bugger all to the lads/lasses with the moon goo of course. Not that bad for many existing FW players. Likely to put lots of new players off. Perhaps someone in CCP should actually try being in FW 100% of the time, with no other income before coming up with lunacy like this. /me shrugs - I've given up on CCP ever coming out with anything coherent on FW anyway, and this just convinces me I was right to do so.

Karl Planck Heretic Academy 103	Posted - 2012.01.05 12:47:00 - [81] - Quote You know, on the plus side here (since no one has mentioned it) is that fw'ers can now enter the next AT. Something to consider
Ezra Tair Murientor Tribe 0	Posted - 2012.01.05 13:31:00 - [82] - Quote I think its a good idea. As for the doomsday speaking. Consider, what large'ish alliance will wants half of high sec cut off from them? Have Jita cut off? If a 'typical' null sec player has anoms to do, or FW missions to do, which will hey chose? Anoms are easier by far. Attacking low-sec towers without GCC? A way to filter out unwanted militia elements? RKK being in FW was temporary, but what if someone equally large joined the other side? Also not all alliances are large nullsec holding entities. I say its a good idea, and I can't wait for it to be implemented.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 236	Posted - 2012.01.05 13:36:00 - [83] - Quote Easy .. we don't know what/how yet .. (Oh. My. Goddess. Can't believe I just said that .. hahahahahaha) Karl Planck wrote: You know, on the plus side here (since no one has mentioned it) is that fw'ers can now enter the next AT. Something to consider Except it won't be FW'ers but an alliance that at thatis probably only in FW to pad their killboards and wallets .. just sayin'
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari 546	Posted - 2012.01.05 14:12:00 - [84] - Quote Ezra Tair wrote: I think its a good idea. As for the doomsday speaking. Consider, what large'ish alliance will wants half of high sec cut off from them? Have Jita cut off? That just means they will all join Caldari/Amarr. Yay. :-/ I think the actual worry is that big 0.0 alliances will join FW for a "vacation from 0.0" for a few weeks to have some fun with the noobs. FW is already unbalanced heavily by a single coordinated, high-SP, high-ISK corp. A whole alliance will make things worse. This also removes the normal progression of PvP from npc corp -> corp in FW -> alliance in 0.0. I'm not sure that that's good for the game as a whole. The restriction (as pointed out by CCP in another thread) is that all corps in the alliance need to have 0.5 faction standing: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=608396#post608396 Nothing about sov.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.05 15:15:00 - [85] - Quote Arkady Sadik wrote: I think the actual worry is that big 0.0 alliances will join FW for a "vacation from 0.0" for a few weeks to have some fun with the noobs. Which is precisely what has happened before down in Hed (Amamake/Auga/etc for those that don't know) Reikoku basically owned the area for two weeks, a couple of other corps from defunct alliances/sov holdings have done the same over the years. Join FW, hotdrop the crap out of anything that moves for a couple of weeks and then off to the next null-sov alliance. Now it appears someone has lost the plot enough to allow entire alliances to do the same It'd be quite amusing if it didn't indicate such a complete disconnection between devs and the game.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2012.01.05 15:39:00 - [86] - Quote Arkady Sadik wrote: The restriction (as pointed out by CCP in another thread) is that all corps in the alliance need to have 0.5 faction standing: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=608396#post608396 Oh and its worth pointing out that this "restriction" probably equates to a few bill of tags per corp (worst case) to bump standings. Wouldn't imagine it'd be too hard to have 0.5 to multiple factions either. I suppose it will - temporarily at least - increase low-sec population, making it look like someone had a plan for low-sec. Or something like that
Lee Whelan Spiritus Draconis 0	Posted - 2012.01.05 15:39:00 - [87] - Quote Allowing alliances to join FW is the worst idea I could think of. Alliances will not be denied access to any of the trade hubs due to having alt neutral corps handling logistics for them. The faction warfare ships, mods market will be degraded even further with people farming with their main rather than just alts. I would be waiting for the super blob to come and tear up our little patch of space. If wanted that kind of game play, I would have gone to null sec. I could go on and on about this, but that's basically what it comes down to. I would wait until I see how it works out but I wouldn't be far from canceling my subscriptions.
Super Chair Project Cerberus 95	Posted - 2012.01.05 15:48:00 - [88] - Quote Lee Whelan wrote: Allowing alliances to join FW is the worst idea I could think of. Alliances will not be denied access to any of the trade hubs due to having alt neutral corps handling logistics for them. The faction warfare ships, mods market will be degraded even further with people farming with their main rather than just alts. I would be waiting for the super blob to come and tear up our little patch of space. If wanted that kind of game play, I would have gone to null sec. I could go on and on about this, but that's basically what it comes down to. I would wait until I see how it works out but I wouldn't be far from canceling my subscriptions. Because hugging your titan all day in abaddons/garudians and dropping the nearest BC gang half your size is all FW is about
Xuko Nuki Submerged Living 9	Posted - 2012.01.05 15:49:00 - [89] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: I didn't say what this was earlier, but when SiSi starts up next, alliances will be able to join Faction Warfare. This will go out to TQ soonGäó. There are more improvements on the table for Faction Warfare. "So... what's wrong with FW" "I dunno but they're complaining about it a lot." "Let's take a closer look shall we?" "They seem to be in really small fleets with dinky t1 cruisers, most all belonging to their respective faction, lame." "Gross, no wonder they hate it." "How can we make FW less about small gangs and less about factions?" "Hmm, let's see here. Let's add 0.0 alliances." "Great idea, I've always wanted to try FW but didn't want to drop corp." Is this how the brainstorming went?
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 211	Posted - 2012.01.05 15:56:00 - [90] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: Easy .. we don't know what/how yet .. (Oh. My. Goddess. Can't believe I just said that .. hahahahahaha) Karl Planck wrote: You know, on the plus side here (since no one has mentioned it) is that fw'ers can now enter the next AT. Something to consider Except it won't be FW'ers but an alliance that at thatis probably only in FW to pad their killboards and wallets .. just sayin' Ezra Tair wrote: ...Also not all alliances are large nullsec holding entities. I say its a good idea, and I can't wait for it to be implemented. Which was the reason that CCP themselves suggested that alliances be allowed in provided they held no sov. Most of us would love to have new wingmen/fodder but very few of us want to be forced to play the extreme blobbing game that null's chose as their life-style .. and that is what will happen if you dump hundreds or thousands 'actives' onto the fronts .. completely irrelevant what side they are on. This ccp. Only alliances that do not hold sov should be able to join. If any. The faction standings are extremely easy to get - its not really a barrier. Also its going to be a real mess if two large alliances that are at war with eachother both join the same faction for fw. You can't consider the change a success just because more people join. Sure this may quadruple the number of people in fw. But that doesn't mean it will improve it and make it something new for people to do in eve. This is would be just like what you did with high sec incursions. You made incursions ridiculous isk faucets so of course allot of people do them and therefore its deemed some sort of successful mechanic. If you made ship spinning pay that amount of isk in high sec it would be a huge success. Please don't just boost the superficial numbers of players doing something and call it a successful change. Dig down and figure out how to really make it a truly great mechanic in eve. Make it a unique way to get pvp - frequent quality small scale pvp. Adjust the occupancy plexing mechanics so its fun. Don't just make it easier to join or throw lots of isk at it. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 237	Posted - 2012.01.05 16:01:00 - [91] - Quote Arkady Sadik wrote: .... Oh dear, if they are going to base it on the broken standings system only then FW is a goner Tags can be used to boost it, but the easier way is to have corps drop alliance, join up, grind missions/orbit buttons for a few hours/days and standings will be through the roof. Rejoin alliance and the whole she-bang can now join/leave at their leisure. Since pretty much all space holding alliances have all assets in an executor corp, with just a few characters if that in it they can quite literally get the cake, eat the cake and sell the cake all at once Income will crash as LP becomes worthless, gangs balloon to fleets and Titan bridge bait/traps and generic hotdrops become the norm .. awesome future. It is bad enough that systems can now be flipped in just one measly day .. CCP is either completely out of touch with reality or are determined to kill us off so that Eve = botting/grinding/blobbing/RMT/scamming with no room for RP or fun ... Sadness.
Draco Rosso Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse 14	Posted - 2012.01.05 16:09:00 - [92] - Quote CCP Konflikt wrote: I didn't say what this was earlier, but when SiSi starts up next, alliances will be able to join Faction Warfare. This will go out to TQ soonGäó. There are more improvements on the table for Faction Warfare. Thumbs down. You Devs really don't have damn clue about FW and from the looks of it never will.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2012.01.05 16:10:00 - [93] - Quote Cearain wrote: Only alliances that do not hold sov should be able to join. That doesn't go far enough. Not even close. The reason is simple - lost your sov for the moment and looking for pastures new? No problem, park your alliance in Amamake for a couple of weeks and bounce back and forth between factions for the lulz. Once you got your new sov (blues) sorted then off you go. Don't tell me it won't happen, its EXACTLY what is going to happen. If this is going to happen and supercarriers/titans are still allowed in low-sec then it doesn't take a genius to figure out the likely outcome mmm?
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 237	Posted - 2012.01.05 16:17:00 - [94] - Quote But without some sort of automated mechanic to govern who can join, then we are back at the idea aired by some in RP community when the started war three years ago: That we have a GM screen applicants so that only the "serious" alliances are allowed entry. Somehow doubt that will fly with the bot-lords
Cearain Imperial Outlaws 213	Posted - 2012.01.05 17:17:00 - [95] - Quote Othran wrote: Cearain wrote: Only alliances that do not hold sov should be able to join. That doesn't go far enough. Not even close. The reason is simple - lost your sov for the moment and looking for pastures new? No problem, park your alliance in Amamake for a couple of weeks and bounce back and forth between factions for the lulz. Once you got your new sov (blues) sorted then off you go. Don't tell me it won't happen, its EXACTLY what is going to happen. If this is going to happen and supercarriers/titans are still allowed in low-sec then it doesn't take a genius to figure out the likely outcome mmm? First just to be clear: Between 1)not allowing alliances to join at all and 2)only allowing alliances with no sov to join: I think its a toss up. I really care either way. But allowing all alliances to join is dumb. I think we all agree on that. You are right that some alliances will join for a bit while they are in between sov holdings. You are right that when bob disbanded RKK did fw and it was difficult for amarr. But they didn't stay long. It didn't ruin fw. If they fixed the occupancy plexes it may have actually been fine for them to stay. But there are some pluses. There are many corps that say they would join fw if they didn't have to drop their alliance. Many of these corps are already active in low sec and sometimes even war dec individual corps. (that mechanic is stupid too) It may allow them to come mix it up. As far as concern for super caps. Well if the alliance doesn't have sov and therefore the ridiculous amounts of isk that can generate. I don't care if they want to bring in super caps. I know that is not a popular view. But they will be risking allot by doing that if they do not have the moons to just make dozens of them. So I don't see the harm. I don't see fw as something for newbs that need protecting. I would like ccp to make fw into something that offers mechanics that bring about frequent quality small scale pvp. I would like it to be something that new players and veterans may enjoy. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2012.01.05 17:31:00 - [96] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: But without some sort of automated mechanic to govern who can join, then we are back at the idea aired by some in RP community when the started war three years ago: That we have a GM screen applicants so that only the "serious" alliances are allowed entry. Somehow doubt that will fly with the bot-lords I did reply to this before but due to the "special" forums it got lost - someone amongst the webmonkeys at CCP needs to get a clue Anyway its simple enough. If alliances can join then the weapons used must be available to all in FW. By that I mean if you can use supercarriers or titans in low-sec then the means to build them (and all the benefits) must be available in low-sec. I wouldn't want to open that can of worms. Alternatively you ban the use of supercarriers/titans in low-sec. Carrier fights are do-able for many in FW and in the overall scheme of things aren't too expensive. Supers/titans are a different ballgame. Anything else and one side is bringing a knife to a gunfight.
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2012.01.05 17:42:00 - [97] - Quote Cearain wrote: I don't see fw as something for newbs that need protecting. I would like ccp to make fw into something that offers mechanics that bring about frequent quality small scale pvp. I would like it to be something that new players and veterans may enjoy. Indeed and supers/titans have no place in that. The issue with the whole "let alliances join" idea is basically isk. That's what wins wars in Eve, simple as. Once you allow the isk imbalance to become "focused" - ie half a dozen nyx on the oss gate - then it looks very much like pay to win is the only option for newbs. It would be interesting to find out who the last dev to actively fly PvP/Plex/mission in FW was. I don't mean for a couple of days either. I bet it was a hell of a long time ago.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 719	Posted - 2012.01.05 18:09:00 - [98] - Quote Just wanted to recommend that everyone post their feedback about this in the appropriate thread - we have like 6 active threads atm containing FW feedback, lets keep the Alliance-specific commentary in the proper response thread, so CCP can see what you guys are saying front and center. I doubt they're going to comb every single FW thread in their attempt to elicit feedback from the community, assuming they are open to changing this issue before it hits Tranquility.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 237	Posted - 2012.01.05 18:15:00 - [99] - Quote Would be kind of pointless to throw it onto SiSi if they are unwilling to make changes .. lets hope that the surge of enthusiasm Iceland experienced when CCP went back to its roots came with a bit of common sense
Lee Whelan Spiritus Draconis 1	Posted - 2012.01.05 18:19:00 - [100] - Quote Super Chair wrote: Lee Whelan wrote: Allowing alliances to join FW is the worst idea I could think of. Alliances will not be denied access to any of the trade hubs due to having alt neutral corps handling logistics for them. The faction warfare ships, mods market will be degraded even further with people farming with their main rather than just alts. I would be waiting for the super blob to come and tear up our little patch of space. If wanted that kind of game play, I would have gone to null sec. I could go on and on about this, but that's basically what it comes down to. I would wait until I see how it works out but I wouldn't be far from canceling my subscriptions. Because hugging your titan all day in abaddons/garudians and dropping the nearest BC gang half your size is all FW is about I have a video... somewhere.. oh, here it is. When you brought the caps and still lost anyway. Funny how they never really showed up after that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTO5KT61G0 But that isn't my point. My point is its bad for everyone.

MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 158	Posted - 2012.01.05 18:20:00 - [101] - Quote what if they made it so faction warfare space cant have supercaps in it... kinda like a modified incursion system... that way you keep alliances like PL and such from taking away the fun... sure you end up with a blob but a mostly sub cap blob... which i find to be fun...
Ezra Tair Murientor Tribe 0	Posted - 2012.01.05 18:36:00 - [102] - Quote Othran wrote: Cearain wrote: I don't see fw as something for newbs that need protecting. I would like ccp to make fw into something that offers mechanics that bring about frequent quality small scale pvp. I would like it to be something that new players and veterans may enjoy. Indeed and supers/titans have no place in that. The issue with the whole "let alliances join" idea is basically isk. That's what wins wars in Eve, simple as. Once you allow the isk imbalance to become "focused" - ie half a dozen nyx on the oss gate - then it looks very much like pay to win is the only option for newbs. It would be interesting to find out who the last dev to actively fly PvP/Plex/mission in FW was. I don't mean for a couple of days either. I bet it was a hell of a long time ago. Wars are won with people, if you have enough willing people, who are active you win. Isk is a by product of activity. Frequent quality PvP would only come about if PvP had no risks, or something worth risking was under attack. In Null Sec moon goo can be a item worth risking right up until one side or another decides they have lost (before the fight actaully happens), and calls it off. You won't get 'good fites', stop asking for them. Its the individual players decision if they will engage or not. CCP would have the best sandbox MMO ever if they could figure out how to get people to want to fight while keeping the "gritty, lose your isk and ships and time" aspect of losing. Since losing hurts, people will do ANYTHING to avoid it, including not fighting. Eliminating KMs would do a better job of prompting fights, since a 'poor' player would not be judged based on his record. Instead as for something worth fighting and losing ships over. Including Alliances into FW provides targets, targets increase the odds of conflict, and that is what you want. if you are worried about high SP rich people in Low-sec. You already have them there. If you are worried about an organized group with assets being used against you its already here. If all they have is organisation, get organised. If PvP on my terms is what you want, stick with the war dec mechanic, no ones making anyone join. if anything, that would be an even better way to fight larger groups, since the faction police give you a safer harbor to retreat to. All the doomsdays predictions, and people assuming why alliances would join yeesh.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 721	Posted - 2012.01.05 19:00:00 - [103] - Quote Hirana Yoshida wrote: Would be kind of pointless to throw it onto SiSi if they are unwilling to make changes .. lets hope that the surge of enthusiasm Iceland experienced when CCP went back to its roots came with a bit of common sense Its kind of pointless to throw it on SiSi anyways - SiSi will in no way simulate the type of effect this could have - there just isn't enough participants there to model the social and economic changes allowing Alliances into FW on only a standings requirement could have. What is there to test? just that a CEO on Sisi can make his Alliance switch to FW and confirm it works? Even if that goes smoothly, its only the tip of the iceberg.... Simply saying "its on SiSi, try it out" won't be enough prep work this time around. The developers will have to dig a little deeper into the feedback and response comments to predict the outcome of this and deem it good or bad for the game before they make their final decision.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous 721	Posted - 2012.01.05 19:22:00 - [104] - Quote Ezra Tair wrote: CCP would have the best sandbox MMO ever if they could figure out how to get people to want to fight while keeping the "gritty, lose your isk and ships and time" aspect of losing. Since losing hurts, people will do ANYTHING to avoid it, including not fighting. Including Alliances into FW provides targets, targets increase the odds of conflict, and that is what you want. I don't predict any doomsday scenario here, but the timing of this just doesnt make sense. Like you said, they would have the best MMO ever if they found ways to convince people to fight. Currently, in Faction Warfare, there is no reason to fight than just for the hell of it. It basically is just one big wardec. Other than pew for the sake of pew, There is no incentive to encourage ongoing participation. It is no surprise that participation has dwindled since its initial release. I'm sure CCP never intended FW to simply be a giant RP wardec, otherwise they wouldn't have taken the time to implement Faction missions, plexing, victory points, and the like. The problem is that all of those mechanical systems are broken and pointeless, so the only ones of us left are those that actively go out looking for fights just because we enjoy fighting against a common, known, enemy. Old grudges will NOT be enough incentive for new Alliances to stick around when they have more engaging or meaningful options elsewhere. Increasing targets isn't enough. There have been numbers all along - whats lacking is the REASON to fight - and CCP is not addressing that first. Any participation increase will be temporary at best - and all that will happen is we'll have twice as many people on the forums here saying "Faction Warfare mechanics need some serious fixing". All that said, I want to remind people once again that while this discussion is great, it belongs in this thread or everyone here risks not being heard or considered when it comes time to make a decision on this issue. CCP has asked us to keep our comments focused and in appropriate threads.
Mutnin Mutineers 39	Posted - 2012.01.05 20:21:00 - [105] - Quote Avila Cracko wrote: ok... i dont know anything about FW... and writing this from no FW member point of view... but i have one guy i know thats starting EVE and i have one question from my NOOB side... Noobs dont know that FW exist untill they read forums and things like that... thats wrong. FW members are military... and that we should see and have feeling of it... - when ship skins are coming... i would like that they get free FW skins for ships (they cant sell it and when they leave FW they need to return it)... that way wee see our military members... - and can you make that we can see military members in overview and/or local (marked with some color/sign) so that we know in space that we just fly by one of ours soldiers. give us a feeling that our army exists. Militia is not professional soldiers of a state. The term militia ( /m+¿-êl+¬-â+Ö/)[1] is commonly used today to refer to a military force composed of ordinary citizens[2] to provide defence, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. FW people are just normal people fighting a war for states that no longer fight in a war, so why would we get uniforms or special paint jobs on our space ships?
Mutnin Mutineers 39	Posted - 2012.01.05 20:45:00 - [106] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: what if they made it so faction warfare space cant have supercaps in it... kinda like a modified incursion system... that way you keep alliances like PL and such from taking away the fun... sure you end up with a blob but a mostly sub cap blob... which i find to be fun... I'm sure the null sec alliances whom already hold most of the tech moons in FW space would appreciate this safety net feature to protect their gold farming. Anyway on the topic of alliances joining FW I suspect few things things might happen.. First week, Random Null bear alliance will grind standings to join and will troll militia chats calling us space noobs, meanwhile their null bears will lose some fancy ships with pretty loot droppings and smug FW guys can point & laugh. Second week, Random Null bear alliance will just farm LP because we all know they are just carebears anyway. Third week, Random Null bear alliance gets kicked out of FW for standings losses due to remote repping each other while in 300 ship gangs wondering why they can't get GF.. or for using bubbles in null sec with stupid alliance buddies.
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Project Wildfire 110	Posted - 2012.01.05 20:48:00 - [107] - Quote What are Fleet War?
Draco Rosso Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse 16	Posted - 2012.01.05 21:15:00 - [108] - Quote Mutnin wrote: I'm sure the null sec alliances whom already hold most of the tech moons in FW space would appreciate this safety net feature to protect their gold farming. . This is the real reason they're adding alliances to FW. Come on CCP stop bending over to 0.0 space coalitions. This is why we need to better representation in the CSM. Tired of these Lull sec guys shoving their horrible and mind numbing play style down our collective throats.


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