With Legion, the avatar gameplay in EVE question has been answered. It just sucks that in order to enjoy it you have to play a different game.

It would be nice if CCP would invest more in EVE instead of all those side projects.

I dunno

All I want is the ability to use the same avatar across both games. I'm not too fussed about having to alt tab between the two clients.

In fact the advantage to have two separate clients (rather than one massive one) is that you could be mining in one client and playing legion in another, and not having your computer cry out in pain.

Well you just kinda canceled out your post there though.
1. wants to play one character in two games.
2. wants to play two games at the same time.

As for what you said about having one massive client with basically two separate games, why does it apply to this but not WiS? That is exactly what has already happened more or less... though just one integrated engine which technically either way is not an issue for players since most are not technical. Now maybe you can see what "WiS haters" are hating on? Or is this a double-standard?

On that basis, I see no issue with Legion being in the same client, especially since it would be much smaller than adding in a ton of junk into WiS. The Unreal engine itself is not bulky, it's mostly the art assets and such, which the FPS game handles well compared to all the assets of WiS, by far. So adding more onto WiS is exactly what you are saying you don't want, but you just don't realize that.

Alts

Nitwit.

Refrain from flaming name calling please. You can't use alts in EVE, so why should you be allowed to in Legion? Special privilege for WiS supporters? You got that all wrong and maybe should think about that for a time, try to reason it out.

And the rest of my post stands, it's simply double-standards at play here.

Refrain from flaming name calling please. You can't use alts in EVE, so why should you be allowed to in Legion? Special privilege for WiS supporters? You got that all wrong and maybe should think about that for a time, try to reason it out.

And the rest of my post stands, it's simply double-standards at play here.

SC is actually no threat to eve.

Well said I totally agree with the above quote

You can't use alts in EVE eh? You say dumb things like that and you want to be taken seriously?

Webvan, You stated "You can't use alt's in EVE."

This is a false statement. It's false because as everyone know's, you can use alt's in eve. You didn't effectively communicate the entirety of your thought.

Had you completed that thought, You would have added "At the same time." This completely changes the meaning of your statement.

The confusion on this is your fault, and yours alone. You shouldn't be so harsh to Flamespar. Your mistake during an already confrontational exchange of words instigated Flamespars response all of which in no way benefits either of you or any of us bearing witness to it.

Arguing Instigates more arguing and kills threads.

No, it's with the context of the discussion. If you read the actual discussion line, I keep on the topic of the discussion I am replying to, despite the childish name calling.

And you guys wonder why these discussions cant be done in GD? All the flaming and name calling? Well, ibtl obviously. Then the crying will start as to why you cant have your WiS threads open. Meanwhile, the rest of us are actually able to have mature conversations about it in other places. tsk-tsk

Well you just kinda canceled out your post there though.
1. wants to play one character in two games.
2. wants to play two games at the same time.

As for what you said about having one massive client with basically two separate games, why does it apply to this but not WiS? That is exactly what has already happened more or less... though just one integrated engine which technically either way is not an issue for players since most are not technical. Now maybe you can see what "WiS haters" are hating on? Or is this a double-standard?

On that basis, I see no issue with Legion being in the same client, especially since it would be much smaller than adding in a ton of junk into WiS. The Unreal engine itself is not bulky, it's mostly the art assets and such, which the FPS game handles well compared to all the assets of WiS, by far. So adding more onto WiS is exactly what you are saying you don't want, but you just don't realize that.

Any game that appeals to the Future Space Sci-Fi demographic is a potential threat.

I for one, hope you're right. But I wouldn't ever claim something so wildly baseless.

Summary:

Lots of problems
Mass system crashes
Mass exodus
Big apology
Refocus on spaceships

much continued slight butthurt

I suspect that if Legion is given the green light that it will involve developing the tech that would finally open the door.

I really don't want to step on your dreams, but no. Legion tech will have nothing to do with ambulation.

We have fewer devs working on Legion than we had on Dust, and Dust was a joke as far as content delivery. They couldn't get anything done.

There is a very real possibility that Dust will be shut down and Legion will become nothing but vaporware, to suffer the same fate as WoD. They probably don't have enough resources to continue legitimate development at this stage, it's just dragging things out so people can keep their jobs. If they somehow do release the game and by some miracle it sustains itself, they will still not have the resources to work on something as resource intensive as station environments while pumping out the backlogged core content that players have been demanding for a while now.

I really don't want to step on your dreams, but no. Legion tech will have nothing to do with ambulation.

We have fewer devs working on Legion than we had on Dust, and Dust was a joke as far as content delivery. They couldn't get anything done.

There is a very real possibility that Dust will be shut down and Legion will become nothing but vaporware, to suffer the same fate as WoD.

They probably don't have enough resources to continue legitimate development at this stage, it's just dragging things out so people can keep their jobs. If they somehow do release the game and by some miracle it sustains itself, they will still not have the resources to work on something as resource intensive as station environments while pumping out the backlogged core content that players have been demanding for a while now.

People complained because it wasn't about spaceships so unfortunately CCP cancelled it.

Because tooltips and database tweaks are way more important than new gameplay....

A bunch of no-vision whiners ruined it.

Personally im still holding out hope for it.

A bunch of no-vision whiners ruined it.

Personally im still holding out hope for it.

I have been a EVE player for about 4 years now, on a new account. I was here before, during, and after the Incarna expansion. I knew it was supposed to bring walking around outside of your pod with your avatar, which it did. But it was also supposed to bring multiplayer experience to inside the stations (bars, corporate offices, agent offices, etc.). What happened to all of that stuff? Is it still in development? Or a lost cause?

Modernizing the client and improving the new player experience are as important as new content. Getting and retaining new players is critical to EVE's continued success and capacity to compete in the upcoming Future Sci-Fi game scene.