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Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:09:00 - [1] Well, as a fun thing, here's a bit of a competition without any prices. It's all about prestige ("Ha! Devs thought my idea was great!") Design your tier 3 battleship! Now, before you all get a bit fuzzy and stuff, I'll post a few guidelines. * The latent data which can be found in the data extracts do not aply. There's been enough threds about those ships already * The goal is to design Amarr ships that are Amarr, not Khanid, and certainly not Caldari. These are navy standard issue ships, not special built stuff. * The goal is also to post designs that are somewhat unique. The means, among other things, no new drone ships (Dominix), no new ECM ships (Scorpion), and no new bastards that noone will fly (Typhoon :p) * The upperbound powerlevel is slightly weaker than faction ships * The lowerbound powerlevel is... Typhoon, actually. Don't think this will be a problem, though. Some avarage stats guidelines (key word is "avarage"). Powergrid: 19,000 CPU: 600 Total hit points: 20,000 Total number of slots: 19* Hardpoint limit: none * Note how certain BShips have less (Dominix and Scorpion), while all the others, tier 1 as well as tier 2, have 19. Only faction BShips get 20 slots. However, if you feel 20 justified, then by all means don't let guidelines stop you! Some bonuses to use (aply to racial equipment as appropriate): * 5% rate of fire** * 5% damage bonus*** * 5% electronic warfare module efficiency * 10% (or possibly higher) target painter efficiency * 10% electronic warfare module optimal range * 10% electronic warfare module fall off * 10% turret optimal range * 10% turret fall off * 10% missile (and torpedo) velocity * 10% drone damage and hit points¦ * 10% drone velocity and hit points¦ * 10% electronic warfare drone efficiency¦ * 15% logistic drone efficiency¦ * -19.8% drone control module CPU requirement (High slot +1 drone controlled module)¦ * 10% capacitor capacity * -5% capacitor recharge time * 10% armour or shield hit points * 5% armour or shield resistances * 7.5% armour or shield reparation amount * 7.5% armour or shield repairer duration (much stronger than the above, but suck cap like mad) * -5% signature radius * 5% ship velocity * 7.5% turret tracking * -5% missile explosion radius (aka fly swatter, but also needed to have torps to 100% dmg on minmatar BShips) Avoid this bonus as much as possible, and never field a double rate of fire bonus. Keep in mind that it's a lot stronger than a normal damage bonus as well as adds greatly to server updates (keeping RoF bonuses down today makes for less server update problems tomorrow) * Battleships do not get damage bonuses to racial missiles first, but a double damage bonus on missiles will likely be one for all missiles and one for racial missiles. ¦ These are listed as suggestions only for forms sake, or if someone really wants to do a REALLY droney ship - something the Dominix isn't quite. Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool. KilROCK > Pod yourself till you got no skills.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:09:00 - [2] Gonna post a drone ship suggestion here just to annoy myself... under construction Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool. KilROCK > Pod yourself till you got no skills.
lofty29	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:21:00 - [3] The caldari railboat - Highs - 8 Meds - 6 Lows - 5 Powergrid - 20,000 CPU - 700 8,000 Shield HP 5,000 Armor HP 7,000 Structure HP 8 Railgun Hardpoints 2 Launcher Hardpoints Top speed - 125m/s Bonus' - 10% Bonus to Hybrid Optimal Range Per Level 10% Bonus to Hybrid Damage Per Level Basically, the best sniper ingame. Only, couldnt have it gallante because theyre not allowed 10% bonus to hybred range --------------------------- Originally by: Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Jainy James	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:22:00 - [4] Originally by: lofty29 The caldari railboat - Highs - 8 Meds - 6 Lows - 5 Powergrid - 20,000 CPU - 700 8,000 Shield HP 5,000 Armor HP 7,000 Structure HP 8 Railgun Hardpoints 2 Launcher Hardpoints Top speed - 125m/s Bonus' - 10% Bonus to Hybrid Optimal Range Per Level 10% Bonus to Hybrid Damage Per Level Basically, the best sniper ingame. Only, couldnt have it gallante because theyre not allowed 10% bonus to hybred range add another mid, and change the bonuses to 10% optimal range and 5% damage or shield resist and you basically have what's lurking in the item database at the moment.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:24:00 - [5] pg: 1500 cpu: 600 6/6/7 4turets 6 lauchers * 10% drone damage and hit points * 10% missile (and torpedo) velocity domi size drone bay wierchas 4tw
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/04/2006 10:27:41 High - 8 Med - 5 Low - 6 Powergrid - 180000 CPU - 800 Shield - 5500 Armour - 5100 Hull - 4800 7 Turret hardpoints 3 Launcher hardpoints Drone bay - 75 m3 Top speed - 125 m/s Bonus - 10% Bonus to Large hybrid Optimal Range Per Level 10% Bonus to Large hybrid Damage Per Level ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Darwinia	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:34:00 - [7] Powergrid: 16,000 CPU: 700 Total hit points: 20,000 6/8/6 4 turret/4 missile * 10% sensor dampener optimal range * 10% sensor dampener optimal range (yes x2) Based on the Dominix (ie. large dronebay) Anti-sniping BS and one of the most annoying BS you could fight in game ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:38:00 - [8] I see quite a few posting caldari snipers with many turrets and tripple bonuses (10% damage = 2x 5% damage), and it makes me sad I like the suggestion of a dampener Gallente ship, though, since it fits with the story. Must be said, though, that Caldari ships and Gallente ships in some aspects seem to have been reversed... Keep in mind that tier 3 is not supposed to make tier 1 or tier 2 obsolete! Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool. KilROCK > Pod yourself till you got no skills.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Ithildin I see quite a few posting caldari snipers with many turrets and tripple bonuses (10% damage = 2x 5% damage), and it makes me sad What do you expect? EWAR boat - Scorpion Missile boat - Raven Turret boat - Dodo ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Ante	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:41:00 - [10] Edited by: Ante on 05/04/2006 10:42:28 Originally I was hoping that the tier 3 battleships might end up being unique. The idea I had for the tier 3 caldari railboat was... Highs: 8 Meds: 6 Lows: 6 Powergrid: 12,000 CPU: 750 Structure: 4800 Armour: 4800 Shield: 5450 Mass: 130,000,000 Velocity: 105 m/s Turrets: 6 Missiles: 3 Bonuses: 10% large hybrid rate of fire per level -5% large hybrid damage per level 10% optimal range per level Decent sniper and the rate of fire bonus doesn't at all make it overpowered considering the damage penalty. The idea was to give it a 'thing' all of it's own. Fast firing, slow damaging railguns at range is the concept. EDIT: To clarify - the bonuses put dps slightly higher than a Tempest with t2 1400mm but lower than a Megathron with t2 425mm.
Jainy James	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:42:00 - [11] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Ithildin I see quite a few posting caldari snipers with many turrets and tripple bonuses (10% damage = 2x 5% damage), and it makes me sad What do you expect? EWAR boat - Scorpion Missile boat - Raven Turret boat - Dodo personally I want the caldari tier 3 named the booby.
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:45:00 - [12] Give me my AC boat! Minmatar T3: Squall 7.5% damage bonus to Large Autocannons 5% velocity Slot layout: This is a bit tricky though. A good AC boat slot layout would be the same as the typhoon already have, I guess. Some might argue "Then to make it different from other minmatar battleships, let's give it a lot of mids for shieldtank!", but that would also make it an AC/EW king, which sounds totally awesome but might also be a bit unbalancing. A fast ship with a lot of mids will lock down any ship too easily I think, being able to scramble, web, target disrupt etc. at once without a problem. So give it lows for speedmods or an armortank instead to avoid this scenario. While 8 lows might also be unbalancing, give it the same layout as the phoon, but a way smaller dronebay and bonuses that will give it totally different setups from the phoon anyways. 8 (8 turret hardpoints, 2 missile) 4 midslots 7 lowslots PG: 16750 CPU: 625 It should be able to fit a full rack of AC's without a terribly big problem. Train Adv. Weapon Upg. Lvl 5 might be needed to free out all lowslots though. Shields: 5896 Armor: 5565 Same resses as the phoon and tempest. Cap: 4500 Scanres: 110mm Base speed: 145m/s (at lvl 5 bs: 185m/s) This ship wont serve too much use in shipbattles, tempest will still be the king there with it's 1400mm's, but it will be the missing ship for us people who always wanted a minmatar BS that make full use of large autocannons. A ship with apparent uses in both smaller PvP gangs and lone PvE, can deal a good deal of damage at expense of no real range. Always thought minmatar are a race who want to rip their enemies apart up close and personal, and here's the chance to give them a ship that can do that :) "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:46:00 - [13] i really hope hammer can pull that one off sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:50:00 - [14] Ms. Spitfire: I was hoping that people'd not design obvious ship of the month/year, but rather something that could be discussed pros and cons over. Your own suggestion makes a ship vastly more powerful than any faction ships, and the devs've stated that's not really wanted for tier 3. Use tier 2 as guidelines, and don't be shy to look at other races for dps caps versus range caps. Remember that tier 2 should not be made obsolete - and that goes across race limits so a Caldari turret boat should not make the Megathron last century's left overs. Originally by: Ante EDIT: To clarify - the bonuses put dps slightly higher than a Tempest with t2 1400mm but lower than a Megathron with t2 425mm. If it wasn't for the low powergrid, the dps would actually be 20% higher than the Megathron. Remember that RoF removes from the divident, and thus a 10% rate of fire actually doubles dps at level 5. Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool. KilROCK > Pod yourself till you got no skills.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Ithildin Ms. Spitfire: I was hoping that people'd not design obvious ship of the month/year, but rather something that could be discussed pros and cons over. Your own suggestion makes a ship vastly more powerful than any faction ships, and the devs've stated that's not really wanted for tier 3. Use tier 2 as guidelines, and don't be shy to look at other races for dps caps versus range caps. Remember that tier 2 should not be made obsolete - and that goes across race limits so a Caldari turret boat should not make the Megathron last century's left overs. Dont think my design was that bad. I used the Megathron as my guideline. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Koth Krakenworth Give me my AC boat! Minmatar T3: Squall 7.5% damage bonus to Large Autocannons 5% velocity <..> Ooh, nasty. Really good suggestion as long as the damage bonus aplies only to AC (can be done, that's how the Megathron was built waaay back - with bonuses only to blasters) Kind of makes my Gallente-lovign heart a wee bit jelous, though, since your Squall is everything a close range ship needs to be that Gallente will never build. Oh, and as for Minmatar names Typhoon > Tempest > Hurricane ? (I bet people will start naming their tier 3 minmatar after the latest Florida-wrecker, though) Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool. KilROCK > Pod yourself till you got no skills.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Ithildin Typhoon > Tempest > Hurricane ? (I bet people will start naming their tier 3 minmatar after the latest Florida-wrecker, though) Typhoon > Tempest > Tsunami. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Ithildin Typhoon > Tempest > Hurricane ? (I bet people will start naming their tier 3 minmatar after the latest Florida-wrecker, though) Typhoon > Tempest > Tsunami. Tsunami is not a state of wind though :P "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
Jainy James	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:57:00 - [19] Edited by: Jainy James on 05/04/2006 11:01:40 Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Koth Krakenworth Give me my AC boat! Minmatar T3: Squall 7.5% damage bonus to Large Autocannons 5% velocity <..> Ooh, nasty. Really good suggestion as long as the damage bonus aplies only to AC (can be done, that's how the Megathron was built waaay back - with bonuses only to blasters) Kind of makes my Gallente-lovign heart a wee bit jelous, though, since your Squall is everything a close range ship needs to be that Gallente will never build. Oh, and as for Minmatar names Typhoon > Tempest > Hurricane ? (I bet people will start naming their tier 3 minmatar after the latest Florida-wrecker, though) 1) agreed with the hurrican name 2) change the bonus to rate of fire, so it doesn't make 1400mms completely overpowered on it. 3) add another mid (ccp seems to be giving tier 3s an extra slot over tier 2)
Jainy James	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Ithildin Typhoon > Tempest > Hurricane ? (I bet people will start naming their tier 3 minmatar after the latest Florida-wrecker, though) Typhoon > Tempest > Tsunami. read up on the history of the planes. hurricane 4tw (or Fury/Sea Fury)
Ante	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Ante EDIT: To clarify - the bonuses put dps slightly higher than a Tempest with t2 1400mm but lower than a Megathron with t2 425mm. If it wasn't for the low powergrid, the dps would actually be 20% higher than the Megathron. Remember that RoF removes from the divident, and thus a 10% rate of fire actually doubles dps at level 5. Yes I should have been more specific. At battleship level 5 it would pull ahead slightly, but at all other levels it does less.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Koth Krakenworth Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Ithildin Typhoon > Tempest > Hurricane ? (I bet people will start naming their tier 3 minmatar after the latest Florida-wrecker, though) Typhoon > Tempest > Tsunami. Tsunami is not a state of wind though :P Something for change? Think out of the box? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Jainy James 2) change the bonus to rate of fire, so it doesn't make 1400mms completely overpowered on it. 1400mms will be crap on it, bonus only applies to autocannons "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.05 10:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dont think my design was that bad. I used the Megathron as my guideline. Well, problem is the suggestion you put up does 20% more damage and 50% longer range without a Megathron's fitting problems. At the same time it also makes a better blaster boat, again without any fitting problems what so ever. Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool. KilROCK > Pod yourself till you got no skills.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dont think my design was that bad. I used the Megathron as my guideline. Well, problem is the suggestion you put up does 20% more damage and 50% longer range without a Megathron's fitting problems. At the same time it also makes a better blaster boat, again without any fitting problems what so ever. That was first revision. If some certain things are accepted like slots, grids, durability, then we will revise it further. Wait until you see the tenth revision. Be awe! ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Koth Krakenworth	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:05:00 - [26] Plenty of names to choose from for the Minmatar T3. I would say the most logical one would be: Typhoon > Tempest > Tornado (see, all T's ) My absolute favorite would be simply "Storm" though "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes."
Darwinia	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:06:00 - [27] Glad you liked it. I've designed it with counters in mind.. currently there really is no counter to 200+ km sniper except warping out. On second thought a 20 slot setup and a large drone bay might be too powerfull... drop the drone bay to 100 m3. It really wouldn't be that powerfull.. with the latest stacking changes, sensor dampeners are not that scary at close ranges (especially if you fit some sensor boosters). And at long range you could dampen maybe 2-3 ships (since you need some mid-slots for sensor boosters as well). 6 low slots provide a semi decent armor tank, but nothing esceptional, while a 4/4 weapons setup allows for a variety of fitting.. since there is no weapon bonus on the ship. All in all, it's a pure fleet ship.. pretty useless for anything else, but a couple of them would keep a small fleet safe from snipers. ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Dragon Slave	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Darwinia Glad you liked it. I've designed it with counters in mind.. currently there really is no counter to 200+ km sniper except warping out. On second thought a 20 slot setup and a large drone bay might be too powerfull... drop the drone bay to 100 m3. It really wouldn't be that powerfull.. with the latest stacking changes, sensor dampeners are not that scary at close ranges (especially if you fit some sensor boosters). And at long range you could dampen maybe 2-3 ships (since you need some mid-slots for sensor boosters as well). 6 low slots provide a semi decent armor tank, but nothing esceptional, while a 4/4 weapons setup allows for a variety of fitting.. since there is no weapon bonus on the ship. All in all, it's a pure fleet ship.. pretty useless for anything else, but a couple of them would keep a small fleet safe from snipers. Sounds a bit like a gallente T3 phoon Though I guess slightly more useful
Toaster Oven	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:14:00 - [29] Edited by: Toaster Oven on 05/04/2006 11:15:14 Amarr Tier 3 BS Description: As a symbol of the continuing Amarrian might, the Emperor has commisioned this new ship of the line developed with technology gathered from continuing hostilites with the Minmatar Republic Bonus 1: 10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use per level Bonus 2: -5% signature radius per level Slots: 8/5/7 Turrets: 6 Launchers: 3 CPU: 550 PG: 19000 Shield HP: 3975 Armor HP: 4800 Hull HP: 4500 Capacitor Capacity: 4750 Recharge Time: 870 Max velocity: 145m/s Mass: 105000000 kg Drone Capacity: 125m3 Cargo Capacity: 760m3 Signature Radius: 370 Something different, yet still Amarr
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.04.05 11:17:00 - [30] Minmatar Tornado Battleship (gotta keep with the name scheme, weather phenomena that begin with T) Hi - 8 Med - 6 Low - 5 Grid - 16000 CPU - 600 6500 Shield HP 5500 Armor HP 6000 Structure HP 7 Turret Hardpoints 2 Launcher Hardpoints Top speed - 145m/s Mass - 90000000 Cap - 4250 Bonuses 5% Bonus to Maximum Speed Per Level 5% Bonus to Large Projectile Turret Damage Per Level Of course, this relies on Projectiles being fixed so that they no longer need a double weapon bonus to be effective. Testy's Eve Blog!

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