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Farsiris Arbosa
Dark Entropy.
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Posted - 2014.02.07 04:14:00 -
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Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1964
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Posted - 2014.02.07 04:20:00 -
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Depends on the reason for attacking them.
I generally go for pods if the person has annoyed me, been extremely stupid, or if I want a killmail from them. That's a minority of the time.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=318489 - Proposal for a new type of tech 2 Destroyer
If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Amrastion Tasartir
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
R.E.P.O.
32
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Posted - 2014.02.07 04:29:00 -
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I eat their soul and send it to the devil for the finishing touches. |
Michael Ruckert
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.02.07 05:09:00 -
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Seeing corpses floating around in space breaks up the monotony of the standard EVE graphics.
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
Caldari State Capturing
855
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Posted - 2014.02.07 05:31:00 -
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If you are in it for profit why don't you ransom their pod?
I'll ransom any pod I catch when I'm out pirating. But you must honour the ransom. It pays for itself when done correctly.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Etuura Zellis
Scarlet Corsairs
43
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Posted - 2014.02.07 07:33:00 -
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If I catch there pod, they only live if they pay for the privilege. |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
474
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Posted - 2014.02.07 08:15:00 -
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If they dont use the spam warp button when there ship explodes its there own fault.
Plus they get a free ride to a station of there choice. I beleive its offering a free jump service. 
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail
Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
CCP Huggin and Grimmi thanks a bunch for your typical information of nowt.
Damm you CCP for making me re-sub-á |
Zappity
Kurved Space
802
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Posted - 2014.02.07 08:23:00 -
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Pod 'em all. Most of my pod kills come from situations where I have been blobbed. I will focus fire to take at least one of them down with me and they often hang around, evidently feeling invulnerable due to the presence of their gang.
Having said that, no-one should ever pod me because that would be unfair. My last pod loss was due to spamming the wrong button!
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
104
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:17:00 -
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Podding is immoral. It should not be done. Every Eve pilot deserves and escape route. It's called an ESCAPE pod for a reason. It should be an exploit to even lock a pod. CCP should change the name or give 30 day bans to folks that blow up ESCAPE pods. This really doesn't even need to be discussed. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
702
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:19:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Podding is immoral. It should not be done. Every Eve pilot deserves and escape route. It's called an ESCAPE pod for a reason. It should be an exploit to even lock a pod. CCP should change the name or give 30 day bans to folks that blow up ESCAPE pods. This really doesn't even need to be discussed.
Lol.
Paging D400 paging D400. We have a customer for your in aisle 3.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
104
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:20:00 -
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I don't go to lowsec or nulsec so I can't be podded. I'm just looking out for the new players that don't know how to be safe.
Page whoever as often as you want. I stay in HS where it's safe. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
357
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:43:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Podding is immoral. It should not be done. Every Eve pilot deserves and escape route. It's called an ESCAPE pod for a reason. It should be an exploit to even lock a pod. CCP should change the name or give 30 day bans to folks that blow up ESCAPE pods. This really doesn't even need to be discussed. Lol. Paging D400 paging D400. We have a customer for your in aisle 3.
Serendipity is trolling you Sil.... dont bite.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
474
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:06:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
There are very good reasons for shooting pods, if you play a role where keeping 'score' matters. If not keeping score (alliance vs alliance), then at minimum you should be asking for a ransom while they are tackled -- many will kick in some solid ISK'ies to avoid this happening.
Some people, like d400, just want to see pods burn and in so doing collect some nice bounties
Would you like to know more? |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
2026
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:14:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
True as that may be , there's something about pods wich ''triggers'' me to kill them .Regardless of loot/killmail or my own seclosses for doing so in low-sec.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
104
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:47:00 -
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Leto Thule is a Dark Renegade alt. Just confirmed. Will post proof when I get home from work. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
360
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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:50:00 -
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No! My cover is blown forever!
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
425
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Posted - 2014.02.07 16:44:00 -
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To answer the OP's question, I pod if possible it takes longer for them to get back into the fight and corpse collections don't grow on there own unless of course you don't store them correctly.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Rancid Meat Hook
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.02.07 17:05:00 -
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Isn't the only reason to shoot a ship is to get to the gooey prize inside? |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
118
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Posted - 2014.02.07 17:38:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Pod 'em all. Most of my pod kills come from situations where I have been blobbed. I will focus fire to take at least one of them down with me and they often hang around, evidently feeling invulnerable due to the presence of their gang.
Having said that, no-one should ever pod me because that would be unfair. My last pod loss was due to spamming the wrong button!
Don't feel bad, I scrammed a Mobile Depot instead of the Fleet Republic Firetail and ended up getting dogpiled because fat fingers. So fail... mildly embarrassing. The worst part is that my Corp's fleet was watching the whole thing.
Collective facepalm.
http://www.devilswarrior.info/kb |
Aaaarrgg
Pod-Goo Repo Men
Jazz Club
10
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Posted - 2014.02.07 19:24:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
Pod them :) |
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Saeger1737
Pod Repo
Path of Destruction.
593
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Posted - 2014.02.07 19:35:00 -
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Pod em all let god sort em out. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
CODE.
225
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:06:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Podding is immoral. It should not be done. Every Eve pilot deserves and escape route. It's called an ESCAPE pod for a reason. It should be an exploit to even lock a pod. CCP should change the name or give 30 day bans to folks that blow up ESCAPE pods. This really doesn't even need to be discussed.
Well its called a capsule, not escape pod, so fortunately it is completely moral to blow up capsules. If they ever rename us "Escape Pod-eers" I of course will bow to your supreme logic.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
SCUM.
38
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:24:00 -
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Pod them! Sometimes their pod is worth way more than their ship.
A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1126
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:36:00 -
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Never not shoot pods.
I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
681
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Posted - 2014.02.08 13:04:00 -
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my targets are never victims but i do pod them if i do not get any penalty to standings or sec status. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1243
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Posted - 2014.02.09 03:30:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them? Alive, generally. Unless I'm in a mood to grind status.
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Grunanca
Doughboys
Shadow Cartel
139
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Posted - 2014.02.09 09:08:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
You forgot to write "I will personally leave them alive." The way you wrote it, inclined that you have actually killed someone, and a quick search shows that you got 0 kills in pvp and 13 losses.
Anyway, to answer your question. I always pod. |
Esha Ditrix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.02.09 10:49:00 -
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ransom > kill > pod (if possible), no exceptions...
Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it... |
Praxis Ginimic
Vessels of the Line
Bask of Fail
769
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:44:00 -
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If you look up my alliance on battle clinic it says that our favorite prey is pods... |
Renegade Heart
Failbear Refuge
137
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Posted - 2014.02.10 16:52:00 -
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I got trigger happy and shot a pod yesterday and was pleasantly surprised to get a 25 million isk payment from their bounty pool  |
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Lord Hurin
Homeworld Republic
The East India Co.
4
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Posted - 2014.02.10 20:05:00 -
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If people didn't pod, I never would of found my love.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119995 |
Saeger1737
Pod Repo
Path of Destruction.
599
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Posted - 2014.02.10 21:38:00 -
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If podding is bad, then myself and my corp need locked up with the keys thrown away. 1000 plus people podded in 2013 some of them twice. |
QUIZZA
CRANK INC.
25
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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:20:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I don't go to lowsec or nulsec so I can't be podded. I'm just looking out for the new players that don't know how to be safe.
Page whoever as often as you want. I stay in HS where it's safe.
You sir have changed. 
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Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
62
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Posted - 2014.02.11 06:32:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:I don't go to lowsec or nulsec so I can't be podded. I'm just looking out for the new players that don't know how to be safe.
Page whoever as often as you want. I stay in HS where it's safe.
The funny part is that D400 pod kills in High-sec. Most if not all of his pod kills are HS.
The sad part is the misconception that High-sec is safe. It's not; it's only less dangerous than Low-sec because Concord hinders shooting something just because it's there. High-sec attackers will have a reason to shoot their target, because of Concord's infallible response. Sometimes it's an economic reason, as with freighter ganks like Burn Jita, or it could be an ideological purpose like the New Order crusade. Then there's strategic ganking, such as if Miniluv spots a known freighter alt of a N3/PL character during the current war, wherein the gank is to prevent the enemy from getting those resources. Whatever the reason aggressors may have, you can die in High-sec, and they see to it. They just have to play around High-sec's aggression mechanics or sacrifice ships or isk to Concord to do so.
I've been podded in Low, Null, and WH space. Generally, the guys who pod you are pretty cool if you are civil in communications with them afterward. This is especially true where newbies are concerned, as the Low-sec guys who got me when I was new taught me about various things pertaining to PVP combat.
As for OP, when I get a ship kill, it will depend on the circumstances as to whether I spare, ransom, or burn the pod. If I blow up a ship that belongs to a guy who previously podded me, I will try to pod him for revenge. Nothing personal against my killers; it's just how EVE is supposed to work - you kill me, I kill you. Likewise, I'd fully expect my targets to come after me later on. |
QUIZZA
CRANK INC.
25
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Posted - 2014.02.11 08:57:00 -
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Tydeth Gilitae wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:I don't go to lowsec or nulsec so I can't be podded. I'm just looking out for the new players that don't know how to be safe.
Page whoever as often as you want. I stay in HS where it's safe. The funny part is that D400 pod kills in High-sec. Most if not all of his pod kills are HS. The sad part is the misconception that High-sec is safe. It's not; it's only less dangerous than Low-sec because Concord hinders shooting something just because it's there. High-sec attackers will have a reason to shoot their target, because of Concord's infallible response. Sometimes it's an economic reason, as with freighter ganks like Burn Jita, or it could be an ideological purpose like the New Order crusade. Then there's strategic ganking, such as if Miniluv spots a known freighter alt of a N3/PL character during the current war, wherein the gank is to prevent the enemy from getting those resources. Whatever the reason aggressors may have, you can die in High-sec, and they see to it. They just have to play around High-sec's aggression mechanics or sacrifice ships or isk to Concord to do so. I've been podded in Low, Null, and WH space. Generally, the guys who pod you are pretty cool if you are civil in communications with them afterward. This is especially true where newbies are concerned, as the Low-sec guys who got me when I was new taught me about various things pertaining to PVP combat. As for OP, when I get a ship kill, it will depend on the circumstances as to whether I spare, ransom, or burn the pod. If I blow up a ship that belongs to a guy who previously podded me, I will try to pod him for revenge. Nothing personal against my killers; it's just how EVE is supposed to work - you kill me, I kill you. Likewise, I'd fully expect my targets to come after me later on. Yes. Tour a ginger.
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QUIZZA
CRANK INC.
25
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Posted - 2014.02.11 08:58:00 -
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your. i meant your.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
104
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Posted - 2014.02.11 12:04:00 -
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Yo qizza. I haven't changed. I just get some giggles out of folks that fall for my trolls. I have more pod kills than most of these guys have kills. They just too lazy to do a basic kb check before they go all tough guy on me. The keep putting HTFU. I don't know what that means and they won't tell me. It sounds bad though. |
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
62
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Posted - 2014.02.11 18:44:00 -
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HTFU refers to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q (NSFW language, in case you're reading this in an environment where that matters) |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
119
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Posted - 2014.02.11 19:26:00 -
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I'm so excited to get home and watch it. I work for one of those evil empire type corporations that block things like youtube.
This is gonna be great!!!! |
takedoom
Privateer.
55
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Posted - 2014.02.11 20:36:00 -
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I ransom ships and pods. If they don't pay they blow up.
http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
I am not a thief. I am a treasure hunter. |
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Hetalia Villen
Unreal Aussies
2
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Posted - 2014.02.11 22:38:00 -
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So for those of you that ransom pods, what would your usual/generic ransom figures be?
(I'm only new to my life of piracy and don't want to waste time basically)
But to answer the initial question, yes podding is a lovable offence, i love the smell of pod goo in the morning! 
-áHetalia's Kill Board |
Farsiris Arbosa
StarFleet Central Command
1
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:52:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
Perhaps I should elaborate.
I have a setting on my Overview sets so that it marks people with a bounty on their head with a white skull against a black background. If they don't have that skull, they're in the clear. If there's a bounty...I'll be all over that
Look at my sig, my sig is amazing |
Your Dad Naked
State War Academy
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2014.02.16 13:17:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Farsiris Arbosa wrote:I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too. Perhaps I should elaborate. I have a setting on my Overview sets so that it marks people with a bounty on their head with a white skull against a black background. If they don't have that skull, they're in the clear. If there's a bounty...I'll be all over that
Still, if you can at least ransom their pod why not? As you said you're looking to kill the pod if you can get ISK out of it (bounty). Ransoming isn't even killing it.
EDIT: For all I know you do ransom, I see now I've misread your post a bit. Derp. |
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.02.17 19:44:00 -
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I fear I have spent too much time in null, for even in hisec I find myself beset with the urge to explode these pods I see flying around without a care in the world... |
nzane
Anomalous Existence
27
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Posted - 2014.02.19 13:51:00 -
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If I have enough time to lock and point them because they didn't spam warp then they deserve what they get  |
Kristopher Rocancourt
Auto Erotic Decapitation
346
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:42:00 -
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yes. pods are too much sec loss.
https://zkillboard.com/character/91143676/
https://killalliance.co.uk/tears/tears-holeysheet/ |
djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
141
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Posted - 2014.02.20 02:52:00 -
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NBSI
that includes eggs
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6299
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Posted - 2014.02.20 20:33:00 -
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One time bump to fix forum. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
7
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Posted - 2014.02.22 02:21:00 -
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One time I even willingly sacrificed a T1 frig to lowsec gate guns just to shoot at a random neutral pod.
Yes, it was empty. Still, no regrets. Pod 'em all! |
Savnire Jacitu
FRONTLiNE GRP.
271
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Posted - 2014.02.22 18:32:00 -
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I collect corpses. I must have the frozen body.
<corrupt> |
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Jared Lennox
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
CODE.
10
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Posted - 2014.02.22 23:04:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
Have you seen my corpse collection? Over 9000
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force
A T O N E M E N T
508
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Posted - 2014.02.23 00:35:00 -
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I hope my victins wake uo in a new clone. Just as if it was a passing nightmare |
Toraa Claw
Minmatar Brotherhood
5
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Posted - 2014.02.23 01:11:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
money is made by ransoming. hold pod.. ransom.
if they don't pay.. end them. Simple.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots
Black Legion.
153
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Posted - 2014.02.23 01:34:00 -
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Farsiris Arbosa wrote:Once you've finish off someone's ship, do you let them escape in their capsule, or do you add insult to injury and pod them?
I personally leave them alive. I'm in it for the profit, and capsules don't drop any loot. I have no practical reason to kill their clone too.
Capsules pay ransoms. If they have implants folks will (sometimes) pay you not to pod them. Just scramble em and open convo. The worst they can do is say FU. Then you pod them. |
paritybit
Repo.
257
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Posted - 2014.02.24 18:49:00 -
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I'm in agreement with the other pilot who said ransom > kill; this counts for both ships and capsules. Unfortunately, some ships are just too difficult to ransom and I have to settle for catching the pod.
Hetalia Villen wrote:So for those of you that ransom pods, what would your usual/generic ransom figures be?
The answer to this is that it's highly dependent on the situation.
If you're ransoming a ship, pay attention to what the ship is, the cost of the hull, the likeliest fit (check the last loss if you can) and insurance payout. A good starting point is usually the cost of the hull because they'll have to pay that for a new one anyway, plus the cost of the fittings. It will probably go down from there.
If you're ransoming a capsule, pay attention to the age of the pilot and what they just lost. Ransom an older pilot who just lost a pirate cruiser starts out a lot higher than a month-old player who just lost a Venture. I tend to start off with 100,000,000, 30,000,000, 10,000,000 or 3,000,000 and work my way from there to a mutually agreeable sum. |
Evergreen Max
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
0
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Posted - 2014.02.25 18:58:00 -
[56] - Quote
As for me, I pod those who were impolite or didn't pay the ransom. I guess that's fair. |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
142
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Posted - 2014.02.25 20:21:00 -
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Zappity wrote:
Having said that, no-one should ever pod me because that would be unfair. My last pod loss was due to spamming the wrong button!
I can see it now. "ORBIT ORBIT ORBIT ORBIT crap I'm in station." |
El Geo
Pathfinders.
186
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:27:00 -
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I've let tonnes of folks go on account of them being new or sometimes just not offering enough of a challenge, and i try to avoid podding people unless it is a tactical decision.
path-+find-+er (pthfndr, p+ñth-)n. 1. One that discovers a new course or way, especially through or into unexplored regions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EvEPathfinders/videos?view=0 |
Rumini
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
1
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Posted - 2014.02.25 22:39:00 -
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Kill all pods. The working poor at the the clone service employees have families to feed. Do your part. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
2803
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:36:00 -
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I always honor ransoms. 100%.
But if they are refused, I take the pod too, just to make my point.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Luwc
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2014.02.26 13:10:00 -
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frozen corpse collections man |
Li'l AssKicker
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 20:37:00 -
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I didn't face down the space zombie apocalypse to let some pod escape and come back in some unnatural state. Shoot them all...in the head. |
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