Because it is how it should be.

In fact it doesn't make sense that some omnipotent CONCORD tracking device can detect your presence within a system and making it a metagaming device.

In fact it doesn't make sense for such a mechnism to exist in the lore.

In fact it doesn't make sense to have everyone know about your presence the moment you jump in unless of course you speak into it.

In fact like a real life radio system you won't know who is listening until they speak something on air. And even then you do not know how long he is going to be on air or when did he leave.

CCP please remove the local list and local count. The starmap statistics is MORE THAN ENOUGH for metagaming.

It's already hard enough to find people in this game, please don't make it any harder to socialize with total strangers.

Nerfing local would do just that.

the npc corp alts have spoken

It's already hard enough to find people in this game, please don't make it any harder to socialize with total strangers.

Nerfing local would do just that.

the npc corp alts have spoken

because removing local is a stupid ******* idea that will do nothing for the game

Some people like to forget this is a game and not a living in space simulator.

Because you are a goon, your post is invalid.

It doesn't make sense anyway even if you're not a goon.

But the fact that you're a goon makes it worse.

maybe you should post from your main

because I am a goon, my opinion is more important than yours

CCP please remove the local list and local count. The starmap statistics is MORE THAN ENOUGH for metagaming.

My dear cousin Jodis please stop posting. You are embarrassing our family name.

This is a game of space, you are not making any point.

Let's consider the cold hard facts Jodis. Whether its lore or space simulation is subjective and frankly irrelevant.

The truth is;

• Removing local chat = Basic sandbox game principles
• Local chat allows death-grip control over large areas with fewer people. (Which is the reason Goonswarm is so fearful of the idea.)
• Local chat causes needless confusion regarding player status. (docked? afk? active? cloaked?)
• Removing local would give more weight to individual pilots, or small gangs, and less to the excessively overpowered blob. (See Goonfleet whine so much here.)
• Removing local makes players use real game mechanics to gather intel in system. (Like Wormhole pilots do.)
• Local is rarely used for coordination, tactics and game immersion.
• Local chat has no logically sound use. It is a tool for idle chatting and spam.

That's the truth, and I am sure CCP knows it. The only reason it hasn't been put in action yet is because the Directional Scanner mechanic and other features need to be improved for player compatibility.

Let's consider the cold hard facts Jodis. Whether its lore or space simulation is subjective and frankly irrelevant.

The truth is;

• Removing local chat = Basic sandbox game principles
• Local chat allows death-grip control over large areas with fewer people. (The Goonswarm is so fearful of the idea.)
• Local chat causes needless confusion regarding player status. (docked? afk? active? cloaked?)
• Removing local would give more weight to individual pilots, or small gangs, and less to the excessively overpowered blob. (AKA Goon worshipers)
• Removing local makes players use real game mechanics to gather intel in system. (Like Wormhole pilots do.)
• Local is rarely used for coordination, tactics and game immersion.
• Local chat has no logically sound use. It is a tool for idle chatting and spam.

That's the truth, and I am sure CCP knows it. The only reason it hasn't been put in action yet is because the Directional Scanner mechanic and other features need to be improved for player compatibility.

Obnoxious sniveling

There are certainly several simple ways to improve it as a tool. For example, consecutive scanning intervals (or radar waves.)

I'm suspicious though that CCP may be adding a new feature to facilitate social interaction before this happens. Possibly an extension to Eve Gate functionality.

(not this thread again)

Would the removal of local have an adverse effect on bots?

I'm making a point that its a game, and not real life. CCP are the people that decide the lore of EVE, not you or anyone else. If they say there's infrastructure in known-space that keeps tabs of ships in the solar system then that's it. CCP will probably never remove local chat from K-Space so get over it and stop being a pathetic troll.

This will all likely come after we deal with local, because that's a more pressing issue - it's just not covered explicitly here because it's too much of a "general mechanics" issue to be included in nullsec-specific planning.

No thanks. Removing local will be a boon to AFK cloaking and huge alliances. If you want stuff on your killboard then go into a Fleet fight. With Tidi it wont be a lagfest.

No thanks. Removing local will be a boon to AFK cloaking and huge alliances. If you want stuff on your killboard then go into a Fleet fight. With Tidi it wont be a lagfest.

Removing local would be a gigantic boon to large alliances, as if they need any more.

I don't think Goonfleet guys really bot that much anyway... so it doesnt warrant their dramatic anxiousness. Personally I think really are afraid to lose grip of what makes them feel they have power. The sheepish blob-like group mentality. It's actually sad

Goons bot as much as everyone else in eve.

Interesting, and how would you know being a 5 month new player with no KB or Emp. History that suggests you've been to nul....

If Goons are posting with their alts like this they must be desperate...

Changing local as an "anti-botting countermeasure" doesn't justify changing one of the game's core mechanics.

Improving the game justifies removal of local

Actually it only improves the game for people too lazy or bad to get kills in nullsec and blame local for their failings.

Actually you're just another goon about to get blocked.

Because it is how it should be.

In fact it doesn't make sense that some omnipotent CONCORD tracking device can detect your presence within a system and making it a metagaming device.

In fact it doesn't make sense for such a mechnism to exist in the lore.

In fact it doesn't make sense to have everyone know about your presence the moment you jump in unless of course you speak into it.

In fact like a real life radio system you won't know who is listening until they speak something on air. And even then you do not know how long he is going to be on air or when did he leave.

CCP please remove the local list and local count. The starmap statistics is MORE THAN ENOUGH for metagaming.

I thought stargates were responsible for transmitting faster than light communications between systems. Therefore for the most part they should have an idea of where you are. Logging off though adds some lore complexity though.

I think thats the story reason cynos dont work in high sec also. They are a two part system involving the beacon and a transmission of location. The gates stop the transmission therefore cyno's dont work.

Edit: To be more relevant to the OP the idea of removing local is dumb from a PVP perspective because people would get tired very quickly of d-scan and probing. Wormholes work the way they do because they have to be scanned down first therefore limiting the amount of traffic. So anyone saying this is a great idea because of wormhole space experiences isn't that sharp.

Let's consider the cold hard facts Jodis. Whether its lore or space simulation is subjective and frankly irrelevant.

The truth is;


Removing local chat = Basic sandbox game principles
Local chat allows death-grip control over large areas with fewer people. (The Goonswarm is so fearful of the idea.)
Local chat causes needless confusion regarding player status. (docked? afk? active? cloaked?)
Removing local would give more weight to individual pilots, or small gangs, and less to the excessively overpowered blob. (AKA Goon worshipers)
Removing local makes players use real game mechanics to gather intel in system. (Like Wormhole pilots do.)
Local is rarely used for coordination, tactics and game immersion.
Local chat has no logically sound use. It is a tool for idle chatting and spam.


That's the truth, and I am sure CCP knows it. The only reason it hasn't been put in action yet is because the Directional Scanner mechanic and other features need to be improved for player compatibility.

You need to read the lore a little more closely. The info on fluid routers is on the second page of the article.

http://www.eveonline.com/background/communication/

there's no way for concord to know you're in a system? you have to travel through stargates! they know what system you're in because you've traveled through a gate and concord knows in what system you're in. its just like the way you can be tracked with something like ezpass, smart tag, whatever it's called. there's a record of you getting on the road, and a record of you getting off. no record of you leaving, there's a good chance you're on the road.
if you use a stargate, you should appear in local

pirates get into highsec via jump bridges of some sort, therefore their presence is not known by the gate watchers

there, i just gave you two lore reasons why you should keep local

its like a god damn broken record in this forum

Those that recognize the cycle also recognize it's pointless to point it out.

null local channel should be controlled by sov holder (i.e. they choose to be on it or not but you don't, and you don't see it)

because removing local is a stupid ******* idea that will do nothing for the game

REMOVE LOCAL

The main negative to the devs is that is makes low sec that much scarier. The Golden Idea that will win all the iskies is how to move hi sec players into low sec. Unfortunately making low sec harder and scarier is not difficult to non-combat pilots...

I just spent a few days ominously afk cloaked in someone's WH with very dramatic effects. Local had nothing to do with it. Noone needs local except the bots. You just have to remind the inhabitants occasionally that you're there. And there are a plethora of ways to do so: kill the occasional and random PI hauler, mining hulk, show up on dscan.