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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:03:00 -
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Because it is how it should be.
In fact it doesn't make sense that some omnipotent CONCORD tracking device can detect your presence within a system and making it a metagaming device.
In fact it doesn't make sense for such a mechnism to exist in the lore.
In fact it doesn't make sense to have everyone know about your presence the moment you jump in unless of course you speak into it.
In fact like a real life radio system you won't know who is listening until they speak something on air. And even then you do not know how long he is going to be on air or when did he leave.
CCP please remove the local list and local count. The starmap statistics is MORE THAN ENOUGH for metagaming. |
Black Dranzer
55
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:05:00 -
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Actually, come to think of it, weren't CCP meant to be doing something to nullsec local in time for Christmas? |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
524
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:06:00 -
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The only real issue with local is that you can see cloaked ships in there, and that they can see local while cloaked.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:06:00 -
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(not this thread again) |
Hershman
G-Weezy
63
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:07:00 -
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Truth. And I would even extend this to include Low-Sec.
Along with this of course, some minor adjustments to the Directional Scanner (mainly not having to tap 'Scan' repeatedly.) |
Disfocate
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:07:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:Because it is how it should be.
In fact it doesn't make sense that some omnipotent CONCORD tracking device can detect your presence within a system and making it a metagaming device.
In fact it doesn't make sense for such a mechnism to exist in the lore.
In fact it doesn't make sense to have everyone know about your presence the moment you jump in unless of course you speak into it.
In fact like a real life radio system you won't know who is listening until they speak something on air. And even then you do not know how long he is going to be on air or when did he leave.
CCP please remove the local list and local count. The starmap statistics is MORE THAN ENOUGH for metagaming.
i support this product and or service.
If/when they remove local, I'll be sure to be providing lots of lolmails in recons and bombers for all! |
Krios Ahzek
45
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:08:00 -
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It's already hard enough to find people in this game, please don't make it any harder to socialize with total strangers.
Nerfing local would do just that.
I have no tears to cry. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
524
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:11:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:It's already hard enough to find people in this game, please don't make it any harder to socialize with total strangers.
Nerfing local would do just that.
Depends how they do it.
1. When a ship cloaks, it gets removed from local.
2. When a ship cloaks, it is no longer able to see local. You can't see them, they can't see you.
3. When a ship uncloaks, have a delay in being able to fire a cyno off to prevent abuse of that mechanic. Possible Black Ops exception.
There you go.
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:11:00 -
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the npc corp alts have spoken |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:15:00 -
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In fact, I am speaking about removing local for ALL systems.
It will make EVE a true space game with a realistic communication system like a real life radio. And not like "a system is just another map/arena" metagame thing.
It will make Jita less lag because of the list of names getting loaded every time.
I never understood the reason to have it IN THE FIRST PLACE. (If anything it should AT LEAST be delayed like any channels that have too many users. It should not be a GODMODE TRACKING DEVICE everyone can access. It is making EVE less spacey and more like a stupid chat room.
Make it more realistic. Make it more like a radio system.
It doesn't even make sense in the lore. There is no godmode tracking device in every single system that will track every single ship in it. In fact if such function exists WOULDN'T ALL PIRATES BE DETECTED AND ELIMINATED ANYWAY? HOW DO THEY HIDE IN "UNDETECTABLE POCKETS OF SPACE"?
REMOVE LOCAL |
Hershman
G-Weezy
63
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:16:00 -
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Andski wrote:the npc corp alts have spoken
Keep tellin yourself that Goonfleet |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:18:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:It's already hard enough to find people in this game, please don't make it any harder to socialize with total strangers.
Nerfing local would do just that.
Because it is not hard to find people in this game, your post is invalid. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:the npc corp alts have spoken
So? |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:20:00 -
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maybe you should post from your main |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:20:00 -
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because removing local is a stupid ******* idea that will do nothing for the game |
Deryk Kyeld
Veteran Defense Initiative
Imperium Directive
25
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:21:00 -
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Some people like to forget this is a game and not a living in space simulator. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:22:00 -
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Andski wrote:because removing local is a stupid ******* idea that will do nothing for the game
Because you are a goon, your post is invalid.
It doesn't make sense anyway even if you're not a goon.
But the fact that you're a goon makes it worse. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:23:00 -
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Deryk Kyeld wrote:Some people like to forget this is a game and not a living in space simulator.
This is a game of space, you are not making any point. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:23:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:Andski wrote:because removing local is a stupid ******* idea that will do nothing for the game Because you are a goon, your post is invalid. It doesn't make sense anyway even if you're not a goon. But the fact that you're a goon makes it worse.
because I am a goon, my opinion is more important than yours |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:maybe you should post from your main
I post from whatever I like, your post is irrelevant |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:Andski wrote:because removing local is a stupid ******* idea that will do nothing for the game Because you are a goon, your post is invalid. It doesn't make sense anyway even if you're not a goon. But the fact that you're a goon makes it worse. because I am a goon, my opinion is more important than yours
Nope. You're just an annoyance. And you're blocked.
Back to topic! |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:26:00 -
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and that's why nobody ever cares for these "remove local" threads |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
59
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:26:00 -
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Quick! To Features and Ideas!
ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:28:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:
CCP please remove the local list and local count. The starmap statistics is MORE THAN ENOUGH for metagaming.
My dear cousin Jodis please stop posting. You are embarrassing our family name. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:30:00 -
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Ogi Talvanen wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:
CCP please remove the local list and local count. The starmap statistics is MORE THAN ENOUGH for metagaming.
My dear cousin Jodis please stop posting. You are embarrassing our family name.
I'm going to change my name. |
Hershman
G-Weezy
63
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:40:00 -
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Let's consider the cold hard facts Jodis. Whether its lore or space simulation is subjective and frankly irrelevant.
The truth is;
- Removing local chat = Basic sandbox game principles
- Local chat allows death-grip control over large areas with fewer people. (Which is the reason Goonswarm is so fearful of the idea.)
- Local chat causes needless confusion regarding player status. (docked? afk? active? cloaked?)
- Removing local would give more weight to individual pilots, or small gangs, and less to the excessively overpowered blob. (See Goonfleet whine so much here.)
- Removing local makes players use real game mechanics to gather intel in system. (Like Wormhole pilots do.)
- Local is rarely used for coordination, tactics and game immersion.
- Local chat has no logically sound use. It is a tool for idle chatting and spam.
That's the truth, and I am sure CCP knows it. The only reason it hasn't been put in action yet is because the Directional Scanner mechanic and other features need to be improved for player compatibility. |
Deryk Kyeld
Veteran Defense Initiative
Imperium Directive
25
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:40:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:Deryk Kyeld wrote:Some people like to forget this is a game and not a living in space simulator. This is a game of space, you are not making any point.
I'm making a point that its a game, and not real life. CCP are the people that decide the lore of EVE, not you or anyone else. If they say there's infrastructure in known-space that keeps tabs of ships in the solar system then that's it. CCP will probably never remove local chat from K-Space so get over it and stop being a pathetic troll. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:44:00 -
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Hershman wrote:Let's consider the cold hard facts Jodis. Whether its lore or space simulation is subjective and frankly irrelevant. The truth is;
- Removing local chat = Basic sandbox game principles
- Local chat allows death-grip control over large areas with fewer people. (Which is the reason Goonswarm is so fearful of the idea.)
- Local chat causes needless confusion regarding player status. (docked? afk? active? cloaked?)
- Removing local would give more weight to individual pilots, or small gangs, and less to the excessively overpowered blob. (See Goonfleet whine so much here.)
- Removing local makes players use real game mechanics to gather intel in system. (Like Wormhole pilots do.)
- Local is rarely used for coordination, tactics and game immersion.
- Local chat has no logically sound use. It is a tool for idle chatting and spam.
That's the truth, and I am sure CCP knows it. The only reason it hasn't been put in action yet is because the Directional Scanner mechanic and other features need to be improved for player compatibility.
Thanks for the info. So that means we need to get D-scan out of beta first. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
641
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:48:00 -
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as an alternative, perhaps CCP should add an area of space that has delayed local
perhaps it could be accessible through something like a "wormhole?" |
Hershman
G-Weezy
63
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Posted - 2011.11.10 03:49:00 -
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There are certainly several simple ways to improve it as a tool. For example, consecutive scanning intervals (or radar waves.)
I'm suspicious though that CCP may be adding a new feature to facilitate social interaction before this happens. Possibly an extension to Eve Gate functionality. |
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