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Polo Hamabu Tebanasu 1	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:02:00 - [31] - Quote Awesome thread buddy, looking at getting a Paladin myself and this has given me renewed faith in L4's! Spreadsheet doesn't seem to work for me for some reason, would be cool to see your fit and other details!
stoicfaux 4103	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:07:00 - [32] - Quote Polo Hamabu wrote: Awesome thread buddy, looking at getting a Paladin myself and this has given me renewed faith in L4's! Spreadsheet doesn't seem to work for me for some reason, would be cool to see your fit and other details! Fitting is listed in the "Ship Fitting" tab of the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet works in chrome and firefox. No idea why it doesn't work for you. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
stoicfaux 4103	Posted - 2014.02.15 13:33:00 - [33] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: The in game loot estimate is very hit or miss and the time taken to actually move and liquidate those assets isn't inconsiderable. I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to do that liquidation and what the net income etc actually was. You mean refining everything when you have 500mill-1bill in loot and red frogging the minerals to jita? All of.. 5min? Well you could do that, but you'll get nowhere near as much as if you cherry pick the sales. Use EveRefinery. I added D82 which display the mineral value of the loot. For my test run * Mineral Value of Loot ISK 14.9M per hour * Loot ISK 20.4M per hour So there was a 5.5M / hour difference. Having said that, I was making 44M liquid isk/hour. Which means I was making 5.5M every 7.5 minutes. It's up to you as to how might time you want to spend on selling/refining. OTOH, I have a loot container with items worth 361M in refined minerals or worth 625M at median sell price in the Forge. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Anize Oramara S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass 144	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:24:00 - [34] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: The in game loot estimate is very hit or miss and the time taken to actually move and liquidate those assets isn't inconsiderable. I'd be interested to see how long it takes you to do that liquidation and what the net income etc actually was. You mean refining everything when you have 500mill-1bill in loot and red frogging the minerals to jita? All of.. 5min? Well you could do that, but you'll get nowhere near as much as if you cherry pick the sales. I tend to sort by meta, grab all the meta 4 stuff and the refine the rest. The meta stuff is always useful for pvp. There are also many 3rd party apps that help you sort your loot fast and even player run services that will do it for you.
Starrakatt Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 51	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:40:00 - [35] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Maybe this because agent was sitting in high-sec system next to low-sec? Yes.
Ireland VonVicious Vicious Trading Company 293	Posted - 2014.02.16 00:16:00 - [36] - Quote I find that the clear all method makes more isk per hour most of the time. By not blitzing you slow down the mission decline rate so you are less likely to have to move agents. I find this factor alone to be enough to stop blitzing once you have L5 skills and maxed out ship. Having a noctis maxed out and picking up a bunch of missions that were all book marked can fill in those extra double decline mission times. This also helps you decline a larger % of the missions which can help in the isk/hour ratio. The bump in income comes from hiring a newer player as a your salvager/looter. You will have to be social but you end up with way more isk per hour compared to blitzing when this all comes together. Disclaimer: I do my work in a RS not a Vargur.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1283	Posted - 2014.02.18 10:24:00 - [37] - Quote Tauranon wrote: IMO those missions are a pretty decent "streak", during a period where I was full clearing and looting with an alt in a noctis, I'd have been overjoyed by that sequence. That. Usually your income per hour will be a bit lower than that. Also depends a lot the location. Some places where the system is HUGE , the simple increase of tiem in warp to next system reduces your income. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1283	Posted - 2014.02.18 10:26:00 - [38] - Quote Novah Soul wrote: Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level? If you are in the correct agent, Paladin can blow that out of water effortlessly. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Smalltimer Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.02.18 10:52:00 - [39] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Novah Soul wrote: Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level? If you are in the correct agent, Paladin can blow that out of water effortlessly. I concur
Gimme more Cynos Du nervst geh sterben 143	Posted - 2014.02.18 11:11:00 - [40] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Gimme more Cynos wrote: don't tell me you did this because some ****** goon claimed that anoms can't compete with Lv 4's? Some people play the game. Some people play the meta-game. And for some people, the game is how they pay their rent. Sorry, I didn't want to question your work, but if that's the reason why you did this... well.. To say it straight: it's a decent test for a worthless argument with a random idiot.

Polo Hamabu Solar Vista. Union 0f Revolution 1	Posted - 2014.02.18 11:21:00 - [41] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Novah Soul wrote: Interesting thread. Would it be a fair assumption to think the other three marauders would perform on a comparable level? If you are in the correct agent, Paladin can blow that out of water effortlessly. Not that I disagree, but can I enquire as to why it would be so much better than a Vargur? :)
Heavensend German Angels Spears of Destiny 16	Posted - 2014.02.18 15:15:00 - [42] - Quote I-¦ve flown both in missions in Amarr space. Assumed enemies are sensibel to EM/Therm Paladin with Pulse - Conflag will out DPS Vargur at alle ships larger/equal to BC size. 1350dps with Conflag up to 32km still doing 1200dps at 40km cant be beaten by a vargur.
Anize Oramara S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass 146	Posted - 2014.02.19 10:44:00 - [43] - Quote its true in amarr space a paladin will handily outdo a vargur. in angel space however the vargur should be on par or better in most missions. especially when those angel cruisers and bs start orbiting at 2km. also barrage, while not nearly as good as scorch is pretty good for long range shots. took me only a day to get the standings to move over to minmatar lv4s from amarr.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 6299	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:29:00 - [44] - Quote One time bump to fix forum.
stoicfaux 4401	Posted - 2014.04.05 02:33:00 - [45] - Quote Couple of minor updates. I've added the 45% loot nerf (rows 116 through 128) and I've adjusted the LP to Security Connections V. (The data was with IV.) WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
chaosgrimm Universal Production and Networking Services 79	Posted - 2014.04.05 05:31:00 - [46] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: ... Update: You can still make a nice income without blitzing for LP to the point that I have to wonder if blitzing for LP is still "better." Very nice spreadsheet. Loot vs blitz is in a good spot right now. Players can choose to blitz or choose to loot and not see a drastic difference. Unfortunately, it looks like CCPs reprocessing nerf will make blitzing the clear winner.
Vinyl 41 Perkone Academy 39	Posted - 2014.04.05 05:39:00 - [47] - Quote chaosgrimm wrote: stoicfaux wrote: ... Update: You can still make a nice income without blitzing for LP to the point that I have to wonder if blitzing for LP is still "better." Very nice spreadsheet. Loot vs blitz is in a good spot right now. Players can choose to blitz or choose to loot and not see a drastic difference. Unfortunately, it looks like CCPs reprocessing nerf will make blitzing the clear winner. i did observer that with the current high demand on meta 4 stuff salvaging missions became pretty profitable - noctis users rejoice
stoicfaux 4402	Posted - 2014.04.05 11:30:00 - [48] - Quote chaosgrimm wrote: stoicfaux wrote: ... Update: You can still make a nice income without blitzing for LP to the point that I have to wonder if blitzing for LP is still "better." Very nice spreadsheet. Loot vs blitz is in a good spot right now. Players can choose to blitz or choose to loot and not see a drastic difference. Unfortunately, it looks like CCPs reprocessing nerf will make blitzing the clear winner. Even with the reprocessing nerf, looting looks to be competitive. Blitzing numbers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=334784&find=unread WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2130	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:25:00 - [49] - Quote So I'm curious. When it comes to loot are you just cherry picking loot with your tractors and salvage drones? Do you drop a MTU? I have generally found just Cherry picking wrecks is a good compromise vs wasting time looting everything after the rats all die.
stoicfaux 4408	Posted - 2014.04.05 22:35:00 - [50] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: So I'm curious. When it comes to loot are you just cherry picking loot with your tractors and salvage drones? Do you drop a MTU? I drop an MTU and will tractor in wrecks (3x tractor IIs) for the salvage drones to work on. The only cherry picking I do is to prioritize battleship wrecks for tractoring first. Quote: I have generally found just Cherry picking wrecks is a good compromise vs wasting time looting everything after the rats all die. Once the NPCs were dead, I left. I did not stick around to loot everything. Even so, IIRC, Mordus Headhunters was the only mission in which I left a lot of wrecks with loot on the field; enough that I was considering leaving an MTU and coming back later for the loot. WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)



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