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Goodtime Girl
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Posted - 2006.04.08 03:44:00 -
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We could have just walked away ........
But what we have ended up with is ........
BoB Very Happy ............ Trust Very Happy ...........
And a Public Neutral Outpost ..........
So who could have done better ..... oh yes .... the forum hoars !!
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Sebroth
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Posted - 2006.04.08 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 08/04/2006 02:46:59 To the "ISS ARE NO NEUTRAL BWAH" people, before they invade this thread too.
1. Trust agreed to hand over the Outpost to ISS 2. The blob agreed to let ISS get the outpost
And to further discount the claim that they are no longer neutral:
- The no-docking list from our other outposts will be applied with immediate effect in Cassini. This means that BoB, among others, will not have docking rights to the station due to their repeated violations of our system wide no-fire zones in the other ISS outpost systems.
So if ISS was aligned with BoB, ASCN and all that jazz, wouldn't that mean they would, say, LIKE each other? Maybe let each other dock around?
ISS is still neutral. To decline this opportunity would be a stupid move, and potentially seen as them taking sides. I think people on the whole should stop trying to over-analyze everything.
Once they officially "got" it from the original owner its fine with most of ppl and with me too, but thing is that in the day that passed between the announcement about them getting it from bob "with no real choise", and to this announcement, they already made plan how to make cash from it, and still plan it. worst part - they keep lying with bull**** that the money is needed for POSes..
Get over it, they can easily form good T2 chain with 30 poses.
And did you notice that in the time between the ISS and the TRUST announcment TRUST was silent. That fact says a lot, dont it?
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Raid
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Posted - 2006.04.08 08:09:00 -
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Will T R U S T stay in ec-p and re-deploy their fleets of POS's? Since your main business is t2 and capital ships it doesnt seem like giving up this outpost up will effect your business in any real way. Potentially re-deploying your capital ship yards in a system that is claimed by ISS who's "neutrality is accepted universewide and unquestioned" would make it a bit more of a PR nightmare for an agressor if it ever got attacked again.
Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar Its a rare dialect called "dou'chay'ba'gh"... frequently used by members of this forum community. I was under the assumption you spoke it
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.04.08 08:46:00 -
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ISS want to kill all their market rivals.
They are the true power! BOB was hired to kill trust, and get the outpost to ISS, next will be the BLUE guys.
Anctualy BOB is all ISS and MC alts, Pesh is my Alt, and I like chocolate.
Seriously, I like what ISS is doing. As professional on the industry front as BOB on the PVP front... - POST WITH YOUR MAIN!
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.08 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sitri Why is there a need for a business plan and selling shares if its already built? I'll ask again, who will get the isk and what will it be used for?!?
Have you considered the fact there is an outpost to pay for?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.08 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Raid Will T R U S T stay in ec-p and re-deploy their fleets of POS's? Since your main business is t2 and capital ships it doesnt seem like giving up this outpost up will effect your business in any real way. Potentially re-deploying your capital ship yards in a system that is claimed by ISS who's "neutrality is accepted universewide and unquestioned" would make it a bit more of a PR nightmare for an agressor if it ever got attacked again.
It was made clear in the original ISS statement that Capital Shipyards are not an option in ISS systems. Nothing has changed.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.08 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 08/04/2006 09:21:27
Originally by: Audrea
Originally by: Karnov
Originally by: Sitri Why is there a need for a business plan and selling shares if its already built? I'll ask again, who will get the isk and what will it be used for?!?
ISS have already stated the share capital will go towards POS infrastructure, it does have well over 30 moons after all.
Why try and insult the community as if we are dumb? come on, its obvious they would set up moon mining network there to reduce the costs, if not turn it into profit! they want to kill 2 birds in one shot!
Personally I hope someone will destroy every pos they anchor there, and drive their excessive greed off
Well if someone came along and seigied it for a week with 600 people again (which seems to be the only way you can do these things effectively with 30 large POS) ISS would be rather flattered that a a public trade outpost with no refining or Capital Ship arrays was attracting so much attention.
With regard to the ISK from the share issue.... just *think* about it for a moment, will you. Think about the sequence of events - BoB hand over to ISS, ISS hand over to TRUST, TRUST hand over to ISS again. It doesnt take an above average IQ to work it out.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.08 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
Once they officially "got" it from the original owner its fine with most of ppl and with me too, but thing is that in the day that passed between the announcement about them getting it from bob "with no real choise", and to this announcement, they already made plan how to make cash from it, and still plan it. worst part - they keep lying with bull**** that the money is needed for POSes..
Get over it, they can easily form good T2 chain with 30 poses.
Has it occured to you that perhaps if ISS didnt get the outpost from BoB in the first place, they wouldn't have been able to let TRUST walk back in and take it, and then choose to hand it back to them?
Less flame, more brain, please.
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Ilany
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Posted - 2006.04.08 10:24:00 -
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Audrea... how many times do we have to say it? Shut it. The same goes for other members of Huzzah who prefer to rather than to .
KThxBye. -------
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Sitri
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Posted - 2006.04.08 10:40:00 -
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Its a public stunt. TRUST have no choice in this. I doubt if they handed it back to ISS without a smoking gun next to their head.
What a scam. Shame on you ISS. TRUST grow some balls.
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Cmdr Jameson
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sitri Its a public stunt. TRUST have no choice in this. I doubt if they handed it back to ISS without a smoking gun next to their head.
What a scam. Shame on you ISS. TRUST grow some balls.
You are not in a position to be informed about this, obviously.
OK, BoB gave us the idea, but don't forget BoB left system, then reset thier standings. 5 left system, and the remaining ASCN got driven off. The realistic odds of another similar attack were therefore close to zero. So Trust retook the outpost immediately that it was safe to do so, and we cold have held it again. I wonder why the handover then? I wouldn't assume that it was any kind of "threat" that motivated it were I you.
And in an aside, the moons in EC-P8R are pants, can't make much with whats there, even though there are 60 moons to choose from.
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Elendar
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:12:00 -
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so everyone who shoots people in ec is gonna be banned from docking at all iss outposts? mmk
Originally by: Derith not even jesus loves you
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SIlver Light
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea Get over it, they can easily form good T2 chain with 30 poses.
Clearly you've never gone moon scaning. The odds of getting a system you can run an enitre T2 production chain up to components in is amazingly low, and no number of POSs will change a moon. ------ Proud Member of 5punkorp |
Audrea
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: SIlver Light
Originally by: Audrea Get over it, they can easily form good T2 chain with 30 poses.
Clearly you've never gone moon scaning. The odds of getting a system you can run an enitre T2 production chain up to components in is amazingly low, and no number of POSs will change a moon.
Actually I did my share of moon scanning for the alliance, and its true, I am sorry :) let me rephrase it:
You can pick 30 not Barren moons, and while not complete T2 chain, it would generate enough minerals to significantly reduce the costs.
Now that should be more correct :) ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise. |
Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.08 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
Actually I did my share of moon scanning for the alliance, and its true, I am sorry :) let me rephrase it:
You can pick 30 not Barren moons, and while not complete T2 chain, it would generate enough minerals to significantly reduce the costs.
Now that should be more correct :)
Oh no, ISS are going to reduce the costs of running 30 large POS with a little moon mining! They are not running at a complete loss!
Quickly, war dec them!
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Audrea
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Posted - 2006.04.08 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Audrea on 08/04/2006 15:37:08
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Audrea
Actually I did my share of moon scanning for the alliance, and its true, I am sorry :) let me rephrase it:
You can pick 30 not Barren moons, and while not complete T2 chain, it would generate enough minerals to significantly reduce the costs.
Now that should be more correct :)
Oh no, ISS are going to reduce the costs of running 30 large POS with a little moon mining! They are not running at a complete loss!
Quickly, war dec them!
lol, you misunderstood my point: I am not on about wether or not u make some profit or cut costs, but rather the fact u said the fund rising is needed to cover the cost of running 30 large POS - which isnt true, and to me seems like a blatant lie to possible investors.
I mean, its a healthy practice to tell the truth of where the money goes to if we invest. but thats just me and what I believe is right, maybe thats not how ISS do business?
Thats the only problem I have with what u said. nothing else :) ---------------------------------------------- All my posts are my own opinions and dont not represent any organization until stated otherwise. |
Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.04.08 15:55:00 -
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ISS better ensure EC-P security.
or something will happen ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.04.09 22:46:00 -
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This thread has the official "omg funneh" stamp all over it.
Catching up with the whoruming after a weekend on the beer in london 4tw!
Eve Blacklight Style
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Shai Faetal
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Posted - 2006.04.10 02:44:00 -
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ISS Pwns TRUST at neutrality. ---
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.10 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Balazs Simon ISS want to kill all their market rivals.
They are the true power! BOB was hired to kill trust, and get the outpost to ISS, next will be the BLUE guys.
Or maybe Bob is just going to PWN anyone with the ability to build Motherships other than themselves?
Quote: Anctualy BOB is all ISS and MC alts, Pesh is my Alt, and I like chocolate.
I'm Blacklight's alt and I like blueberry muffins. -
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.10 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 10/04/2006 06:20:12
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Balazs Simon ISS want to kill all their market rivals.
They are the true power! BOB was hired to kill trust, and get the outpost to ISS, next will be the BLUE guys.
Or maybe Bob is just going to PWN anyone with the ability to build Motherships other than themselves?
Quote: Anctualy BOB is all ISS and MC alts, Pesh is my Alt, and I like chocolate.
I'm Blacklight's alt and I like blueberry muffins.
That wouldn't be a bad strategy but ASCN is going to have them out of the oven unless BoB were going to start on them very soon (which I don't see happening), so to some extent that idea has to be thrown out the window.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.10 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 10/04/2006 06:20:12
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Balazs Simon ISS want to kill all their market rivals.
They are the true power! BOB was hired to kill trust, and get the outpost to ISS, next will be the BLUE guys.
Or maybe Bob is just going to PWN anyone with the ability to build Motherships other than themselves?
That wouldn't be a bad strategy but ASCN is going to have them out of the oven unless BoB were going to start on them very soon (which I don't see happening), so to some extent that idea has to be thrown out the window.
As has been shown in the past, having ships and being able to use them properly (translated - they don't explode all the time) are two different things.
Motherships are the next, great step in the evolution of EVE warfare. One has to have the logistics to support these massive machines as well, not to mention replacing them if they are lost. BoB has already shown they can do these things. The smart move is to make sure no one else can, thus ensuring thier continued dominance of space. -
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2006.04.10 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Darko1107 on 10/04/2006 11:15:42 TBH, i'd be quite annoyied if i was Seleene. Hes always blacklight's alt, why is blacklight never the alt and seleene the main? I'd feel quite inadequet.
Unless ofcourse they are actually alts then they are both the same person thus 1 half of them cant feel less adeqeute than the other unless hes skitsophrenic.....
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.04.10 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Darko1107 TBH, i'd be quite annoyied if i was Seleene. Hes always blacklight's alt, why is blacklight never the alt and seleene the main? I'd feel quite inadequet.
Unless ofcourse they are actually alts then they are both the same person thus 1 half of them cant feel less adeqeute than the other unless hes skitsophrenic.....
We tried to discuss this in London, but he was drunk and I was losing my voice due to all the smoke in the air. I think we just ended up confusing each other. This was also after Stan and I had a rather animated discussion about the merits of dice and poker cards and which pwnd the other in terms of alliance / corp logos. In the end, BL and I gave up and just decided to just do something vile and pose with Shin Ra for a pic. -
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Baun
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Posted - 2006.04.10 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 10/04/2006 06:20:12
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Balazs Simon ISS want to kill all their market rivals.
They are the true power! BOB was hired to kill trust, and get the outpost to ISS, next will be the BLUE guys.
Or maybe Bob is just going to PWN anyone with the ability to build Motherships other than themselves?
That wouldn't be a bad strategy but ASCN is going to have them out of the oven unless BoB were going to start on them very soon (which I don't see happening), so to some extent that idea has to be thrown out the window.
As has been shown in the past, having ships and being able to use them properly (translated - they don't explode all the time) are two different things.
Motherships are the next, great step in the evolution of EVE warfare. One has to have the logistics to support these massive machines as well, not to mention replacing them if they are lost. BoB has already shown they can do these things. The smart move is to make sure no one else can, thus ensuring thier continued dominance of space.
Well by your account ASCN would have to either not know how to use them or BoB would have to destroy them in the process of taking out ASCN's production facilities.
In either case, it doesn't really seem to fit into the idea that BoB's strategy ought to be to be the only ones who have them. The only way it works on that front is if BoB is purchasing all of ASCN's production line and I don't see that coming to full effect.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Riley Craven
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Posted - 2006.04.10 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
In the end, BL and I gave up and just decided to just do something vile and pose with Shin Ra for a pic.
I want a copy of the pick so I can... erm... use it for less than questionable means :)
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alty mcaltalot
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Posted - 2006.04.10 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven
Originally by: Seleene
In the end, BL and I gave up and just decided to just do something vile and pose with Shin Ra for a pic.
I want a copy of the pick so I can... erm... use it for less than questionable means :)
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs75&d=06140&f=DSC00401.JPG
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Quillan Rage
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Posted - 2006.04.10 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Anointed surely this is like one of those times when you spend all night buying a girl drinks, only for her to not put out?
You mean this really happens? I thought this is what Rohypnol was invented for??
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Netto
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Posted - 2006.04.10 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Jameson
OK, BoB gave us the idea, but don't forget BoB left system, then reset thier standings. 5 left system, and the remaining ASCN got driven off.
Er, just a quick note, the ASCN fiasco happened like 20 minutes before the scheduled end of the northern operation. After the initial gang bang, ASCN forces then regained control of EC, cleaned up and then left, per the predetermined end of the northern operation.
This isn't saying G+Friends didn't jump in and catch a whole lot of people sleeping, and give them a right proper spanking, I just object to the term "driven off" as that's not entirely accurate, that's all. :D
Carry on.
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