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Ya Rrr
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Posted - 2006.04.08 00:32:00 -
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The Crow is the only frigate that can use short ranged weapons at long ranges with zero penalties for doing so. Yes, rocket range of a crow IS long range. It doesn't matter that they orbit at 11km. It might aswell be 110km. They're outside conventional webifier range and doing full damage.
Please explain to me how a Claw kills a Crow 1v1, both ships given a setup budget of 25m ISK. Its not happening.
In an interceptor duel it spams rockets from 11km while the opposition is left 2 choices. Sit there and die, or try to escape. I say try because realistically nothing is ever going to outrun a nanofibered Crow.
By all means un-nerf T2 rockets but to compensate, get rid of the velocity bonus.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.04.08 00:34:00 -
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or....use arties/rails?
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Ya Rrr
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Posted - 2006.04.08 00:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Samirol
or....use arties/rails?
250mm Howitzers are gimp. 280mms can't track. The Claw doesn't have the CPU to fit the modules needed to boost its tracking to the point where it might hit something.
The Taranis is too slow, a rocket crow will close in for the kill. Only the Ares has the speed and tracking to kill a Crow.
But you're missing the point. Rockets are short ranged weapons you shouldn't have to fit long range guns in order to deal with them.
It goes:
Blasters, Autocannons, Pulses, Rockets
Railguns, Arts, Beams, Light Missiles
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.04.08 00:40:00 -
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rails on a claw?
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Cmdr Patrick
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Posted - 2006.04.08 00:48:00 -
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Why should anyone tell u, think about it and work it out for yourself.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:18:00 -
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erm, while we're at it, CCP plz nerf the exequor. It can carry more than my flycatcher wich is a T2 ship! plzkthx
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:26:00 -
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rocket launchers should take 2 more grid...really...
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Fogy
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:04:00 -
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well..
there is Barrage S, and webbies...
nanocrow's with rockets are easy to kill.. dont know if there is any one stupid enough to use one though..
its the 400mm plae crow's wich are hard imo..
"From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 08/04/2006 02:07:30
"Yes, rocket range of a crow IS long range. It doesn't matter that they orbit at 11km. It might aswell be 110km. They're outside conventional webifier range and doing full damage. "
Difference between being at 11 and 110 km is, at 11 km there's plenty weapons which can hit the Crow back. And staying 1 km off webifier range vs a skilled interceptor pilot... good luck with that, really. These ships move at 3-4 km/sec, show me anyone with fast enough reaction time and small enough game client lag to never get 1 km closer to someone with brain between the ears.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:09:00 -
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Ok whats the range of rockets on a crow? If its less than 13km your more than likely gonna get webbed.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:16:00 -
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"Ok whats the range of rockets on a crow?"
~15 km with maxed out all skills, ~12 km with more common lvl.4 across the board. This doesn't take into account acceleration phase and the target's speed though ... which together can either limit rocket range to a few km or as much as double it, if the target is silly and tries to close range by chasing.
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Litus Arowar
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:25:00 -
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I'll eat your rocketcrow for breakfast with my crusader... fit all the nanos you want, fit your MWD, and stay at 13km... then cry when I do higher DPS... and if you don't have a web fitted yourself you're as good as dead the moment you run into a pilot worth the ship he's flying... the standard run of the mill crusader setup with DLBs, MWD, and 20km scram will give crows a run for their money, not to mention some of the more experimental builds
I'd be far more worried engaging a 400mm dual web crow, but the standard crusader would still win out, as the rockets would never land a hit
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:54:00 -
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25m budget u say? hmmm ok then, buy a dread 12km webber there about 15-20m max
its only -60% but if the crow is outside your webbing range and has that chance of not fitting a webber himself you then -60% should be enuf to get in range & pop him.
Or you could fit a tracking enchancer in low and have your autocannons hit? im not entirly sure but it may give you just enuf range for the falloff to hit? not sure tho.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.04.08 03:57:00 -
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I suck with inties. Most of my corp mates however drool at the thought of facing a crow in a 1v1.
That tells me in no uncertain terms that its not overpowered.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.08 04:06:00 -
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Theres 2 setups that beat a rocket crow, both have been tested and work ^_^.
im sure there are more out there.
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.04.08 04:06:00 -
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Claw:
3x 280mm 2's
1x Rocket Launcher (named)
1x MWD II
1x Warp disruptor
3x Nanofibers
1x MAPC.
Tactic: Using titanium sabot, orbit at 15km (will set orbit at about 17km) If he turns his mwd on to approach you, his sig lights up and you hit him, if he does not, he won't get close.
You may get in a stalemate, may not always be able to win, but you won't lose.
it does take practice, and patience because it takes a while...
OR:
Taranis:
3x Neutron (t2) (void S)
1x 1mn Microwarp (t1 only fits)
1x Web / Scram (or 2x Webs)
1x MAPC
1x Small armor rep (t1 fits) (can use a plate)
1x Damage control
*****any interceptor 1 v 1. Note: WIll lose to an industrial that nos's target jams, webs, scrams, and has a zealot and a ferox come and kill you. 
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2006.04.08 05:19:00 -
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Ever heard of TACTICS?
Fly away from the crow, its range will be reduced. Fly towards a crow and its range is inceased.
Think before you cry on forums noobtard.
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Originally by: Oveur
To the nerfmobile!
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.04.08 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
Taranis:
3x Neutron (t2) (void S)
1x 1mn Microwarp (t1 only fits)
1x Web / Scram (or 2x Webs)
1x MAPC
1x Small armor rep (t1 fits) (can use a plate)
1x Damage control
*****any interceptor 1 v 1. Note: WIll lose to an industrial that nos's target jams, webs, scrams, and has a zealot and a ferox come and kill you.
You have that happen to you too? heh, I'd recomend putting on ions, throwing 2 MFS IIs in the lows and otherwise keep the setup the same =D. It is better overall damage than neutrons with good tracking.
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Boobies
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Leon 026
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Posted - 2006.04.08 07:37:00 -
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Edited by: Leon 026 on 08/04/2006 07:39:48
Please read the other threads first -_-;
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=315153
Before you cry 'nerf crow!!!111' think of how much we have to pay for one. Crow prices FTL.
Its early so im cranky, please forgive.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.08 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Foomanshoe
Ever heard of TACTICS?
Fly away from the crow, its range will be reduced. Fly towards a crow and its range is inceased.
he knows
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Waxau
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Posted - 2006.04.08 09:53:00 -
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hell, whilst were at it lets nerf the shuttle - I got my mate to shoot me with torps and cruises and i tell ya that thing can tank - less damage than my cerb. i dont see how thats fair eh eh eh.
2006.04.08 09:35:54 combat Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to *A_CORP_MATE* hits you, doing 21.5 damage.
2006.04.08 09:35:18 combat Juggernaut Torpedo belonging to *A_CORP_MATE* hits you, doing 20.3 damage.
the Fact is that crows are just good - just because a ship is good, you dont go around nerfing it. you go around if its totally out of balance with other ships.
The Scorp can beat a geddon hands down - they cost the same, but scorp will always pwn the geddon unless the pilot is involved in the equation.
Now please stop ranting and raving about ships you cant beat because you havent tried new fittings, or are at a disadvantage. If ya really like, we can make all the ships generic and then call them all 'default ship' - then it'll be down to skill. Or maybe remove skills once people try to nerf them. Then it'll fair....But boring eh?
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:35:00 -
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Using a claw, you should be going so much faster. Fit up autocannons and get into web range. If a crow out-runs you, I'm going to laugh....hard...
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Originally by: Oveur
I see boobies! \o/
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Phish1
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:35:00 -
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he know, grab a shuttle and go into a lvl 4 with a mate with sheild transporters = I win
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Ivana Killya
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Posted - 2006.04.08 11:50:00 -
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1 i hate peeps who call for nerfs
2 think of ways to beat it like all the other posters have
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Cefte
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Posted - 2006.04.08 12:53:00 -
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Rocket crow dies to Stiletto with two webifiers. Yes, you have to work your approach before engaging, but how is that different to any other interceptor?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.04.08 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 08/04/2006 12:54:34
crow is nasty with rockets, however its damage is not really big, but his weapons use no cap, do good damage type and always hit, no matter what speed does crow have.
Actually the only thing that really bothers me on crow is 3 med slots. Decent pilot will be able to dictate range with web, or at least run away.
But in the end rocked crow + 400 plate is 1win no brainer in most cases, however crow with std. missiles is the sick one.
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Ernest Graefenberg
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Posted - 2006.04.08 13:10:00 -
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With a setup budget of 25 mil? I would have maybe agreed if you said you can't put a Claw into crazy-mode as easily as a Light Missile Crow with a budget in the hundreds, but as far as regular equipment under 25 mil is concerned you should be taking him to school - especially a rocket crow.
If he's unplated you can practically hose him down at 12k, although its still going to be pretty easy to get into web range. If he's plated he's less agile than you, so again - who cares? An AC Claw of all things has the least trouble due to its godly falloff :/
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.08 13:22:00 -
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Yep. Barrage amo4tw.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.04.08 13:23:00 -
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Of legitimate concern is not how to beat the Crow, it is the fitting requirements versus range and damage compared to the other interceptors.
A Crow's damage:range ratio is a lot higher than any other interceptor in game at the same time as it's damage:fitting ratio also is higher. The same is true for the last comparison fitting:range.
Crow is also the only interceptor which can hit (this time with a more common interceptor fitting requirement, rather than a rocket's very low fitting requirement) realistically out to 30km while still doing decent damage and using T1 equipment.
What I mean by this is not "nerf the crow" nor "nerf rockets", it's more a matter of a need for varied "sizes" of launchers. There's three kinds of railguns to allow for a degrade in performance in order to get an upgrade in fitting, while there's only one kind of standard launcher.
Questions that needs be answered, though, is what to call the different new launchers and how they will be different other than in fitting (i.e. will they modify damage multiplier and/or will they modify missile range?).
That's today's random idea
Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2006.04.08 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I suck with inties. Most of my corp mates however drool at the thought of facing a crow in a 1v1.
That tells me in no uncertain terms that its not overpowered.
Yet, most of your corp mates fly crows (in blobs) on a regular basis. Please ask them, and tell us. The closest I ever came to beating one of those was with an ares: nanos in low; blasters in high; mwd, web, scram in med. No chance of tanking the missiles though but the only thing I could think of which was quick enough to catch up with the crow.
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