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slothe
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Grimpak
...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?
name me one alliance capable of this (and i dont mean they should be the next target)
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Grimpak
...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?
name me one alliance capable of this (and i dont mean they should be the next target)
As far as i know i cant think of another alliance... At least not one that bests BoB in both PvP and Industry.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Grimpak
...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?
name me one alliance capable of this (and i dont mean they should be the next target)
dunno, thus the question.
Just because we think some alliances suck, doesn't mean they REALY suck.
...i've been in EVE for quite some time and I've saw examples of unknown people manage to grasp something that even the biggest ones could not.
And that's why I like EVE: Nothing is 100% predictable.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:26:00 -
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"i dont blame you. you are what you are and i respect that.and i do. but one sided games are not games there excersises. like playing your 5 year old niece at chess. sure you winn. but what satisfaction is that?
sure she can train up and get better, but why repeatedly beat her while shes training for the next ten years?"
Well, would say it depends. If she sticks around and improves to the point where she's eventually on equal footing, rather than kick the board and storm off with "stupid game, i can never win /o\" ... i think the satisfaction from finally beating that stuck up uncle could be tremendous. And watching your enemy come such long way can be source of satisfaction for the one who in the end gets beaten too (if quite bitter one)
It's kind of like half of these martial arts movies, there's always some sort of really nasty villain or pain-in-the-butt master that takes long time and effort spent on training, to defeat ... but in the end, they all do fall -.o
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:35:00 -
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slothe dude, in the words of Shin Ra:
"BoB battleships have the same hp of any other's."
making a post like "OMG BOB IS TOO UBER WER ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! OMFG TO THE ESCAPE PODS!" only fuels their ego btw 
- Gob
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Rohann
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:35:00 -
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We can be beaten. The key? Organization, determination and players willing to go the distance. Nobody has shown those qualities yet.
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:35:00 -
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Never ever discount the possibility of somone new and unknown coming in and shaking the foundations of all that stand.
We in Evolution know that those things happen. It's how we began.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Gierling on 08/04/2006 01:38:33
IMHO (And of course I may be wrong), I don't think Bob aims to Dominate... granted Dominance is in there repoirtoire but from what I've learned from knowing them (which of course may be wrong) thier singular real advantage is neither tactics, nor logistics, nor even sneakiness... its purpose.
Bob membership genuinely and sincerely are motivated... To do what you ask? To do great things, I think thats Bob's bread and butter and I think its why they are so effective.
They genuinely want to be at the forefront, to see what the game has to offer and to grab EVE by the proverbial balls.
Which is of course why I dont see them gently accepting the mantle as evil overlords, frankly there are a ton of alliances out there who are trying to do the whole "Evil Empire" thing and its trite, its been done (arguably been done best by Curse).
I really think thats what seperates the average alliances from the really fun ones, that sense of purpose... that direction and contagious goal. MC has it in the form of thier impeccable professionalism (Thats merely a statement as to what I see them seeing as thier purpose, I dont want a flame war over symantics), and I can't really speak for ASCN cuz its not my place... however I venture that it ranks among there with its fervent desire to craft a genuine home in 0.0. Something that even empire can't rival.
See thats where I see everyone going wrong, your concern shouldn't be "OMG How do I survive Bob". Ultimately BOB isn't what you should be afraid of. You should be asking "What are we trying to do, are we trying to do anything worth a damn at all"... So long as you actually travel that path, you'll have good fun with your alliance.
The only surefire way of destroying an alliance in EVE (And I dare say any cooperative venture in life), is to stop trying, stop caring and basically no longer attempt to do anything worth doing.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:39:00 -
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"name me one alliance capable of this (and i dont mean they should be the next target)"
Think it's the catch -- it'd take more than _one_ alliance. Say, if you take a look at G+IRON+rest, F-E, ASCN and maybe couple others, then together there's more than enough commanding ability, economic strength and pure numbers to put up one hell of fight. (and nothing to lose really, since they're all already on the target list) ... But since they all have been fighting one another for so long, it'd take some exceptional leader(s) to put them toghether. Can this happen? I don't know, guess we'll see -.o
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:43:00 -
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Damn Gierling said more or less what i was thinking just didnt seem to get it out right. Its the determination to do something in EVE and be there thats what puts you on the top. Its all about motivation.
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Rutoo
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:45:00 -
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Slohe i agree with you there
Here is a recent upgoing on what has happened in EvE uninverse
Starting from the ATUK Stating they would be disbaning and Maybe i look towards the future
-ATUK Stating they are disbanding
-Biggest Fleet op ever to take out EC-P
-DI(Old ATUK) We are joining BoB
-IRON well screw that idea, we quit
-F-E weeee Killing Haulers with IRON's Life work in them is fine
-TRIBE Wheres the Veldspar?
-Bob Sets Everyone to 0 standing
-G Sees IRON Leaving and says "Screw that Idea" and Disabands
-Corps that where Napped to bob go "WTF mate?"
****Whats going to happen now?****
- BoB Will either Expand North, or try and finish out SA, Afterwards which they will claim the space as thier own sometime in the near future.
This Also Depends on what happens to the rest of G/IRON/RAZOR that still decide the game is fun after this happens.
We may be looking at a EXODUS from eve, other people will soon follow, this may take 6 weeks it may happen over the next year.
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Nobues
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:48:00 -
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I may be worng about this, but wasnt the same thing said about PA, back when.
People said "there to storng", "who can win vs them?." Well there dead now, 1 big war and 1 long out war with someone who finshed the job.
History is made in eve, every day.
PA was once the best alliance in the game, same as bob now, and there dead.
history is made, it all takes one person with a good idea to put bob in there place.
One person, who can make history.
Eve is a game that changes in times, all good things come to a end.
Give it time and I see a GSW comming on. Just like the GNW only in the south.
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Horg
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:58:00 -
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I think the only reasonable solution is that everyone joins bob...
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Ab Initio
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Posted - 2006.04.08 01:59:00 -
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Lots of posts about BoB, and that no one can stand up to them. Lots of people ignoring obvious facts:
* Go look at the number of alliances in existance.
* Go look at the number of members in all those alliances.
* Go look at the amount of the map held by entities other than BoB.
* Go look at BoBs standings to all those other entities.
If you can seriously sit here and argue that BoB holds all the cards.. Well.. What more is there to say?
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Agent Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 08/04/2006 02:04:58
Originally by: Nobues
I may be worng about this, but wasnt the same thing said about PA, back when.
People said "there to storng", "who can win vs them?." Well there dead now, 1 big war and 1 long out war with someone who finshed the job.
History is made in eve, every day.
PA was once the best alliance in the game, same as bob now, and there dead.
history is made, it all takes one person with a good idea to put bob in there place.
One person, who can make history.
Eve is a game that changes in times, all good things come to a end.
Give it time and I see a GSW comming on. Just like the GNW only in the south.
Maybe if they put more jump gates in but not likely. It takes forever to get to anywhere in the south. Thats primarily one reason we havent seen any great southern wars.. Its just plain too far to travel. If you think about it and look at the map it makes total sense...
Oh and too add more to that most of the alliances down south in around stain and Delve and PB and Paragon soul cant get dreads around without going to empire or near empire... Delve Querious and Period Basis are completely cut off from any capital ship attacks unless they come from empire...
Originally by: MAXSuicide
only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'
ehehehh....
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Ziyi Zhang
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Initio
Lots of posts about BoB, and that no one can stand up to them. Lots of people ignoring obvious facts:
* Go look at the number of alliances in existance.
* Go look at the number of members in all those alliances.
* Go look at the amount of the map held by entities other than BoB.
* Go look at BoBs standings to all those other entities.
If you can seriously sit here and argue that BoB holds all the cards.. Well.. What more is there to say?
Yes, but it wont happen. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it. People are too busy hoping that you go after their enemies to come after you. Its sad but true.
Tbh I think most people that play the game just dont take it as seriously as the average Bob member and are not as committed to it (as evidenced by the fact that most of your members are over 18 months old at least I would reckon), to them its just a game.
How about if CCP make you guys your own shard and we can all agree you won and you can go off and play in that and those that just want to have a bit of a laugh and some fun can stay in this shard if they dont fancy the challenge of trying to take you down?
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Hermia
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:09:00 -
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The next logical step for "the rest" is to form up and confront BoB. BoB have not so subtlety orchestrated for this to happen, It should be what everyone wants.
I doubt the star cluster can pull this off, but if this is what BoB have been plugging for (The biggest multiple front, multiple faction war since the GNW), wow it will be awesome.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nobues
I may be worng about this, but wasnt the same thing said about PA, back when.
People said "there to storng", "who can win vs them?." Well there dead now, 1 big war and 1 long out war with someone who finshed the job.
History is made in eve, every day.
PA was once the best alliance in the game, same as bob now, and there dead.
I dunno where you got that idea, but what you just describes sounds like an alternate universe to what I experienced and what I believe to have been the general impression of PA.
So yea, never even close to being said about PA, and utterly wrong  imho.
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Rajon Kelper
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:20:00 -
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cant we all just... get along?
Why dont we all join BoB, forming a massive wtfpwn-weowneverything Carebearing alliance throughout 0.0. PVPers can invade empire, and maybe CCP will let us take down the Amarr empire or something... no one likes them anyways, 
No, but seriously, this is BoBs time. There was a time when CA was powerful, too, and what happened that that? All things end. TBH, the rate at which BoB slowly declines over time will depend on how fast it makes itself enemies and how many people it ****es off. NO alliance, NOT EVEN BOB, can last long with the entirety of EVE against him (empire nubs dont count in this scenario). They'll be forced to make friends somewhere along the line, or they'll be forced to give up their position of dominance.
Time will tell.
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"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving." |
DeMundus
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:23:00 -
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Well tbh as any other "big" alliance they will have or get sloppy pilots... take em down and enjoy
Sure old school BoB knows howmto fight but with more "noobs" joining it will get better for the regular pirate
Well iam considering moving for the time to see what kind of ISK I can make out of them... maybe I'll get nuked maybe not... but worth investigating
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Insane Asylum
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:24:00 -
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I believe that Molle once stated in an interview that his goal was to dominate Eve. This will never happen... BoB is having their 15 minutes of fame at the moment, and then then something will happen and they will fade away just like all the other powerhouses did. And there is ALWAYS someone bigger out there...
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W1rst23n2r
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:32:00 -
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I am looking out for some alliances to grow together to form
a counter force to BoB..
I just hope that we don't see a "event team with 8+ dread's "
to join Bob at the first really big battle there !!!
But I like this game too much as yet to give up.
It's too soon to throw the towel yet.
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Jaqs
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:36:00 -
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Na nothing is nobody is unbeatable hell liek Rohann said you just gotta have dam fine originization pererverence enurance will faith belief stamina etc and lots of beer alcohol or whatever. With that you either choose to fight off and attack forever or defeat them.
If you truly want to keep all you have you have to fight or attack figure out adapt however that needs to be done what people fight for varies but if you really wanna keep somethin together.
No matter what all this will be fun as hell. If someone truly loves ot paly EVE theyll stick around through whatever comes whether it be victory or defeat. Just get er done. Some parts are gonna suck or some time strectches will suck just get trhough them thier part of it.
kill kill kill wooohaha
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HatePeace LoveWar
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:36:00 -
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The balance will be restored, quite simply due to the fact that if BoB doesnt have a challenge, a counter part, something to keep it on its toes, it itself will collapse.
Perhaps if BoB was a rl military organistation it would dominate, but this is a game and you need challenges to keep yourself interested and having fun and im not for a minute saying that BoB will disbandon, im fairly sure some other new entity will be formed or maybe one of the current existing alliances will rise to the challenge.
We'll see, all im saying is dont worry yaself slothe :)
Chimera & Fighter Sales |
Thaylon Sen
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:40:00 -
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Dont worry... every revolution carrys the seeds of its own destruction.
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Excentrica Gallumbits
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:43:00 -
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Not far from today Bob will have several "I-win"-buttons (also known as Titans with Doomsday-Weapons) and will be able to hold down anyone else in the game. Noone else gets an "I-win"-button (and don't tell me just to hide, big alliances have options to find even top-secret-shipyards) and if noone else gets the I-win button then they will chain whole fleets with their I-win-Button: "oh, 1500 ships attacking our Outpost? Well, three I-win-buttons and even the pots of their tanked capitals are gone."
BoB actually is known up in the North as the "70% aliance" because they control more or less 70% of all Zerospace. Everyone is allied or befriended to them more or less, maybe except RA and V and those two are too humping each other. Oh, and there is the shadow formerly known as Stain Alliance (I heared Bob-Academy improved them from "training-targets" to "drops mediocre loot") and Tribal Souls - an alliance which would be a good match maybe for ISS but not for Bob.
Obviously they don't go for a 100% domination of Zerospace because THAT would be thwarted by CCP, indirectly at least. But if you see that 70% of Eve comes because Bob demands and ganks 4% of Eve and not only once but thrice then this is an alliance. Just because they don't share the same ally-ticker they still may share common command-levels, maybe even the same directors of their corps.
They are not out for fair fights but for ganking weaklings and letting noone rise against their "I-win" buttons. And they will have a waggonload of I-win buttons til end of the year.
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Excentrica Gallumbits, the triple breasted \/\/|-|0r3 from Eroticon VI - the best bang since the big one...
-- Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
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Creamster
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:44:00 -
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Ohnoes big bad BoB is coming, devs please help us
On a second thought they gotta help us underdogs by handing out HAC's bpc for free. Easy, no more BoB problem 
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CardboardSword42
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Posted - 2006.04.08 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Creamster
Ohnoes big bad BoB is coming, devs please help us
On a second thought they gotta help us underdogs by handing out HAC's bpc for free. Easy, no more BoB problem
Aim big, ask for a bpo
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.04.08 03:01:00 -
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As it is, BoB represents a side. This side is vastly superior to the other side, because on that side the individual members keeping bickering between themselves in a series of pointless infighting.
Divide and conquer. I don't even know if it was directly intended, either.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.04.08 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
In EVE there is a saying: "There is always a bigger dog."
...no matter how good someone will be, there will always be someone better.
...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?
Not quite, but close.
In EVE, as in real life, there is always someone ahead or just behind you, waiting to take your place. You can be top dog, but it can't last forever.
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