Originally by: slothe

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this has been prophecised by numerous people. the power was split evenly (imo) between 5 and bob until the surprising breakup of 5 with 5's powerhouse ATUK joining BoB. I never thought this woul happen as (as i quite rightly thought) ATUK would never be let into bob as was. Instead ATUk morphed into another incarnation to enable them to join BoB and others followed.

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Quote:

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A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

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Originally by: dimensionZ

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Cant we be the ying?

I mean, you almost blame us for being what we are.

You want a force that can beat us ? Create it, get people, regroup, train, get tactics, hell, try to get, may be, even some skills!

And beleive me, that would be nice for us too

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Originally by: slothe

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Originally by: dimensionZ

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Cant we be the ying?

I mean, you almost blame us for being what we are.

You want a force that can beat us ? Create it, get people, regroup, train, get tactics, hell, try to get, may be, even some skills!

And beleive me, that would be nice for us too

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i dont blame you. you are what you are and i respect that.and i do. but one sided games are not games there excersises. like playing your 5 year old niece at chess. sure you winn. but what satisfaction is that?

sure she can train up and get better, but why repeatedly beat her while shes training for the next ten years?

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'

ehehehh....

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Originally by: Jarek Naumen

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All big empires reach a peak period then they decline. I foresee this for BoB as well. If they start taking on the rest of Eve that will be a fight that they cannot win. It might last a long time if they really are so powerful but eventually a fight vs everyone will take it's toll and can't be won.

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Originally by: Ginger Magician

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I have the fingerspeed of a teenager the brains of a rocket scientist and the tactical nous of a 5 star general.
Why do u think I'm so freaking good?

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Originally by: Zysco

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Originally by: Jarek Naumen

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All big empires reach a peak period then they decline. I foresee this for BoB as well. If they start taking on the rest of Eve that will be a fight that they cannot win. It might last a long time if they really are so powerful but eventually a fight vs everyone will take it's toll and can't be won.

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I love these predictions of "omgz bob will decline." People thinking that don't understand how BoB, and the individual BoB corps work. Its not like 1 day Galavet is gonna wake up and be like "omg molle is *** im gonna leave bob."

LV/V/Chimp/KOS block can match BoB. So can ASCN. Once the north respawns (BoB has been chaining them for 2 years now) they will be able to field a fleet to match BoB again. This isn't "omg the end of eve," or any **** like that. Suck it up biches.

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'

ehehehh....

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Originally by: Abdalion

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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.

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Originally by: Grimpak

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...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?

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Originally by: slothe

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Originally by: Grimpak

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...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?

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name me one alliance capable of this (and i dont mean they should be the next target)

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'

ehehehh....

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Originally by: slothe

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Originally by: Grimpak

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...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?

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name me one alliance capable of this (and i dont mean they should be the next target)

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Originally by: Abdalion

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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'

ehehehh....

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Originally by: Nobues

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I may be worng about this, but wasnt the same thing said about PA, back when.

People said "there to storng", "who can win vs them?." Well there dead now, 1 big war and 1 long out war with someone who finshed the job.

History is made in eve, every day.

PA was once the best alliance in the game, same as bob now, and there dead.

history is made, it all takes one person with a good idea to put bob in there place.

One person, who can make history.

Eve is a game that changes in times, all good things come to a end.

Give it time and I see a GSW comming on. Just like the GNW only in the south.

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'

ehehehh....

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Originally by: Ab Initio

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Lots of posts about BoB, and that no one can stand up to them. Lots of people ignoring obvious facts:

* Go look at the number of alliances in existance.
* Go look at the number of members in all those alliances.
* Go look at the amount of the map held by entities other than BoB.
* Go look at BoBs standings to all those other entities.

If you can seriously sit here and argue that BoB holds all the cards.. Well.. What more is there to say?

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Originally by: Nobues

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I may be worng about this, but wasnt the same thing said about PA, back when.

People said "there to storng", "who can win vs them?." Well there dead now, 1 big war and 1 long out war with someone who finshed the job.

History is made in eve, every day.

PA was once the best alliance in the game, same as bob now, and there dead.

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Excentrica Gallumbits, the triple breasted \/\/|-|0r3 from Eroticon VI - the best bang since the big one...

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Originally by: Creamster

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Ohnoes big bad BoB is coming, devs please help us
On a second thought they gotta help us underdogs by handing out HAC's bpc for free. Easy, no more BoB problem

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Originally by: Grimpak

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In EVE there is a saying: "There is always a bigger dog."


...no matter how good someone will be, there will always be someone better.


...Question is: who the hell will step up to the plate and grasp the title, and then defend it against the rest of EVE?

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Originally by: slothe

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Edited by: slothe on 08/04/2006 00:46:25
This is also no joke alongside other threads.

Eve for a long time has been balanced by alliances that have fought each other and conflicts have ravaged areas of 0.0 space.

however recent events have shown the balance of power to have shifted in a direction that has balanced the power unevenly in one direction.

this has been prophecised by numerous people. the power was split evenly (imo) between 5 and bob until the surprising breakup of 5 with 5's powerhouse ATUK joining BoB. I never thought this woul happen as (as i quite rightly thought) ATUK would never be let into bob as was. Instead ATUk morphed into another incarnation to enable them to join BoB and others followed.

My concern is this...

I cant see any other 0.0 alliance realistically fighting BoB and winning.

So why bother...?

indeed.

my concern is BoB has grown so strong.. and TOO strong no-one will bother. BoB could, and indeed will dominate 0.0.

BoB could potentially ruin EvE as is.

Dont get me wrong i <3 blacklight and db preacher and fanbois (and i think they know that) BUT no realistic opposition to BoB = the end of eve. Simply noone will be bothered to stop an immovable force. People will move to other games. maybe sell accounts, and try someting different.

Seeing the end of BMC and G and even IRON illustrates that to me. Who else will figt BoB? No-one, thats the problem. eve end game is here. ill kill my character if this continues and i love this game.

slothe out o/

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Originally by: OzaLoni

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Something to help make you feel better

"Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best..."

All together now

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Originally by: Philip Sterling

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Edited by: Philip Sterling on 08/04/2006 04:34:45
Slothe, grow some stones.

their ships pop just as easily as yours, and industry is easy to shut down if that's your goal. Don't get me wrong. BOB is a fine alliance, but they would seem a lot more vulnerable if you'd do a little less whining and a little more strategizing and fighting.

edit: the first draft didn't sound condescending enough.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Philip Sterling

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right. we were too chicken to fight the five, so we napped them. oh wait, that was you.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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Originally by: Destable

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Edited by: Destable on 08/04/2006 00:54:19

Cheer up man :) You know I <3 you, but what you're talking about is a long way from happening. People get bored, change, new forces rise up, stuff happens. Nothing is ever the same in EVE in any 6 mos period. Yes, there will always be the strong, defined primarily by quality leaders willing to make the sacrifice to develop the strong....but EVE is big. Until someone gets so big that they can, on a multiple-daily basis control all of the eve territories, things will continue to develop and evolve. Despite the "strong" coming occasionally.

Think of these things like a tornado/earthquake/whatever. Powerful when they sweep through, but then people move on, and each cycle has less of an impact overally as people adapt. Really, it all promotes growth in the game and players. What was good enough 2 years ago, isn't today. Territorial claims that worked a year ago, don't work today. Alliance sizing, requirement, and playstyle that used to be fun, might not be now. So we re-invent the game. Those who don't have fun, leave. Those that discover a new way to have fun, stay, and they cycle starts anew.

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Originally by: Luc Boye

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You all suck.

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Originally by: Hermia

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The next logical step for "the rest" is to form up and confront BoB. BoB have not so subtlety orchestrated for this to happen, It should be what everyone wants.

I doubt the star cluster can pull this off, but if this is what BoB have been plugging for (The biggest multiple front, multiple faction war since the GNW), wow it will be awesome.

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Originally by: Rhett Butler

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Originally by: Luc Boye

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You all suck.

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You swallow.

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Originally by: ProphetGuru

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Bleh, what a bunch of pussies really.

Yeah we have an uber logistics division. Yeah we have a lot of good pilots. Yes we have unrivaled and ambitious leaders, but BoB earned and work at these things, nothing was given to us on a platter. YOU, yes you reader, regardless of who you are (cept for stabwash) can make your dream of dominating BoB real, it may not happen over night, but it simply involves a goal, and some dedication.

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Originally by: Luc Boye

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Originally by: Rhett Butler

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Originally by: Luc Boye

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You all suck.

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You swallow.

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See? That's what Im talking about, post with your main you titmice.

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Originally by: ProphetGuru

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Edited by: ProphetGuru on 08/04/2006 03:06:33
YOU, yes you reader, regardless of who you are (cept for stabwash) can make your dream of dominating BoB real, it may not happen over night, but it simply involves a goal, and some dedication.

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Originally by: Excentrica Gallumbits

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Not far from today Bob will have several "I-win"-buttons (also known as Titans with Doomsday-Weapons) and will be able to hold down anyone else in the game. Noone else gets an "I-win"-button (and don't tell me just to hide, big alliances have options to find even top-secret-shipyards) and if noone else gets the I-win button then they will chain whole fleets with their I-win-Button: "oh, 1500 ships attacking our Outpost? Well, three I-win-buttons and even the pots of their tanked capitals are gone."

BoB actually is known up in the North as the "70% aliance" because they control more or less 70% of all Zerospace. Everyone is allied or befriended to them more or less, maybe except RA and V and those two are too humping each other. Oh, and there is the shadow formerly known as Stain Alliance (I heared Bob-Academy improved them from "training-targets" to "drops mediocre loot") and Tribal Souls - an alliance which would be a good match maybe for ISS but not for Bob.

Obviously they don't go for a 100% domination of Zerospace because THAT would be thwarted by CCP, indirectly at least. But if you see that 70% of Eve comes because Bob demands and ganks 4% of Eve and not only once but thrice then this is an alliance. Just because they don't share the same ally-ticker they still may share common command-levels, maybe even the same directors of their corps.

They are not out for fair fights but for ganking weaklings and letting noone rise against their "I-win" buttons. And they will have a waggonload of I-win buttons til end of the year.

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Originally by: Darth Hammer

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The rest of the alliances should wake up and set their petty differences aside.I have seen server wars before and this looks no different.What I heard was going on to the ppl that were trying to get out of pure blind disgusts me.That and the knowledge that the attack on EC happened before the mention of war.Its time for the remaining alliances to band together to remove the menace.
The longer you sit in silence the more chance you wont survive the coming storm.

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Originally by: Ziyi Zhang

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Edited by: Ziyi Zhang on 08/04/2006 02:05:18
meh not worth the bother.

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Originally by: Boonaki

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20,000 people online, 200 online in BoB at any given time.

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Originally by: slothe

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Edited by: slothe on 08/04/2006 00:46:25
I cant see any other 0.0 alliance realistically fighting BoB and winning.

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Originally by: Snake Jankins

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Btw. the whole thing is not my problem anyway as a simple alliance member, unless someone asks me of my opinion. I shoot at what I'm told to shoot and if it's BoB, then it's BoB.

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Originally by: Derith

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not even jesus loves you

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Originally by: slothe

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Edited by: slothe on 08/04/2006 00:46:25
This is also no joke alongside other threads.

Eve for a long time has been balanced by alliances that have fought each other and conflicts have ravaged areas of 0.0 space.

however recent events have shown the balance of power to have shifted in a direction that has balanced the power unevenly in one direction.

this has been prophecised by numerous people. the power was split evenly (imo) between 5 and bob until the surprising breakup of 5 with 5's powerhouse ATUK joining BoB. I never thought this woul happen as (as i quite rightly thought) ATUK would never be let into bob as was. Instead ATUk morphed into another incarnation to enable them to join BoB and others followed.

My concern is this...

I cant see any other 0.0 alliance realistically fighting BoB and winning.

So why bother...?

indeed.

my concern is BoB has grown so strong.. and TOO strong no-one will bother. BoB could, and indeed will dominate 0.0.

BoB could potentially ruin EvE as is.

Dont get me wrong i <3 blacklight and db preacher and fanbois (and i think they know that) BUT no realistic opposition to BoB = the end of eve. Simply noone will be bothered to stop an immovable force. People will move to other games. maybe sell accounts, and try someting different.

Seeing the end of BMC and G and even IRON illustrates that to me. Who else will figt BoB? No-one, thats the problem. eve end game is here. ill kill my character if this continues and i love this game.

slothe out o/

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Originally by: slothe

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personally in a game of counterstrike if i found i was on the winning team too often i would join the losing team to even things up. sometimes losing is as profitable as winning. but i guess this attitude is not universal?

bleh dont know why i bother.

you realise if this continues eve will die? you really want that?

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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And in every end there is a beginning...

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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And in every end there is a beginning...

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Originally by: Hermia

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The next logical step for "the rest" is to form up and confront BoB. BoB have not so subtlety orchestrated for this to happen, It should be what everyone wants.

I doubt the star cluster can pull this off, but if this is what BoB have been plugging for (The biggest multiple front, multiple faction war since the GNW), wow it will be awesome.

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Originally by: dimensionZ

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Cant we be the ying?

I mean, you almost blame us for being what we are.

You want a force that can beat us ? Create it, get people, regroup, train, get tactics, hell, try to get, may be, even some skills!

And beleive me, that would be nice for us too

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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And in every end there is a beginning...

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Originally by: GATORAN

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Originally by: dimensionZ

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Originally by: slothe

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its not nerf bob

i just cant see the ying to the yang?

where is it?

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Cant we be the ying?

I mean, you almost blame us for being what we are.

You want a force that can beat us ? Create it, get people, regroup, train, get tactics, hell, try to get, may be, even some skills!

And beleive me, that would be nice for us too

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xxxxxxx

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/04/2006 11:26:51
Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/04/2006 11:26:21

Originally by: Hermia

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The next logical step for "the rest" is to form up and confront BoB. BoB have not so subtlety orchestrated for this to happen, It should be what everyone wants.

I doubt the star cluster can pull this off, but if this is what BoB have been plugging for (The biggest multiple front, multiple faction war since the GNW), wow it will be awesome.

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It would be fantastic. The only way I believe it could happen is if some of the 'Eve personalities' try and organise a counter to the threat.

People are sheep and we need someone to follow. They won't follow Eveplayer18371 into an alliance capable of fighting BoB. Also the Eve psyche is to smack, ridicule and downright abuse anyone who hasn't done an interview with Evegate, or who has 40 billion sp, the result? Putting them off the idea.

So in summary the only way any proper resistance will be organised is if players of note lay aside their differences and organise a proper counter to BoB.

Otherwise I fear slothe will be proven correct.

edit: looks like darthy has had the same idea though :P

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Originally by: Earthan

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Originally by: welsh wizard

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Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/04/2006 11:26:51
Edited by: welsh wizard on 08/04/2006 11:26:21

Originally by: Hermia

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The next logical step for "the rest" is to form up and confront BoB. BoB have not so subtlety orchestrated for this to happen, It should be what everyone wants.

I doubt the star cluster can pull this off, but if this is what BoB have been plugging for (The biggest multiple front, multiple faction war since the GNW), wow it will be awesome.

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It would be fantastic. The only way I believe it could happen is if some of the 'Eve personalities' try and organise a counter to the threat.

People are sheep and we need someone to follow. They won't follow Eveplayer18371 into an alliance capable of fighting BoB. Also the Eve psyche is to smack, ridicule and downright abuse anyone who hasn't done an interview with Evegate, or who has 40 billion sp, the result? Putting them off the idea.

So in summary the only way any proper resistance will be organised is if players of note lay aside their differences and organise a proper counter to BoB.

Otherwise I fear slothe will be proven correct.

edit: looks like darthy has had the same idea though :P

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Yea , we woudl need someone speacial with lots of rl time to orgnise it.

But atm im not as much worried BOB can prolly beat most of us, but cant copntrol many regions at same time.

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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And in every end there is a beginning...

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Instead of fighting, everyone whining here. Its very funny.

Where you all have been, during EC-P8R op ? Wait, you bandwagoned around the strong. Now you screaming like a *****s : "omg, client ****** me, and didn`t payed". You just got what you deserved.

As for industrial wing of bob. Bob didn`t played pos chess at all. How can you judge about theyr industry wing ? Try to anchor towers for 36 hours, without sleep, how Goonies did during 5 war vs RA. And you`ll understand what i mean.

Who is able to challenge BoB ?

F-E - dont think so. Atuk alone bring them on theyr knees. Now they have 3 more corps, with same size as atuk.

LV\V\KAOS\CHIMP ? Highly doubt. Since after 2 weeks of war - they`ll just start to shoot each others, and then - run, like they did 5 times allready.

RA ? No. Just no. Don`t ask.

Fix ? I fought theyr elite forces (triad) in HED for almost year. Nothing unusual. Yes, they are good, but alliance warfare is about average skill of alliancemembers. How many active guys triad have ? 50 ? 100 ? Bob have 300 - 400.

ASCN ? I think, that they`ve got highest chance to survive bob invasion. The only danger, is that BoB will start to sucking leaders from ASCN, like they allready did. (KSUDruid - he was one of the leading peeps in ascn. Correct me if i`m wrong).

G\Iron ? I don`t know whats happened here, but i hope, that they`ll regroup in empire, and create nomadic type alliance, like BoB supposed to be.

Personally i think, that EVE should thank BoB for providing challenge. At least my corp will fight them till they exist. Because only fighting strong will make you stronger.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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I meant KOS, sorry. Doesn`t make a difference, since you ran like a *****es from Stain.

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Originally by: Jherek Cornelian

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The problem is slothe, and not just in Eve but in computer games in general very few people want a 'good game' anymore.

8 or 9 years ago there were basically 3 playing styles and roughly with these percentages.

20% We win all the time.. haha noob pwned. pu wu ned 1337 we are.

40% We win most of the time..we won but was a good game, hard luck

40% We lose most of the time.. don't mind losing it was a good game and we are getting better

And everything was more or less fine. I played Unreal Tournament back in those days and I always swapped to the losing team to help them. I'm a lot better at 'losing with grace' than winning. I'm a pain in the bottom when I win so I try not to.

Time passed and I noticed something about the playerbase in UT. The percentages started to change. The 20% of players who absolutely needed to win AT ALL COSTS was going up. 5 v 5's suddenly turned into 7 v 3. We pwn j00 haha became more and more prevalent.

I left the game I loved after 6 years. The last straw was when I played on a server 9 people versus me. Capture the flag was my flavour and I was solid player, no better than that but a decent enough player. These 9 ppl played against me (4 of them had clan tags on) for over an hour. I got reamed, I could beat any 3 of them but all 9 no way. I asked nicely, I asked not so nicely but 'we pwn j00' was the response. After an hour I joined their team. We now had 10 v 0. They played on for 15 minutes until I left the server. Yes thats right, they continued to capture flags with no opposition.

It seems to me thats what people want nowadays, they don't want a game, they want a walkover. That's why people who supported Man Utd now support Chelsea. They want to win. must win, we never lose, haha we pwn j00. And the reality is I'm kinda past caring (ok almost past caring). I'll play my little game they can play theirs. I'm more or less happy. The people in BoB are happy they have won and good for them. I'll play Eve until I get bored or I get annoyed with the lag. I'm not going to leave because all the best pvpers play for the same team.

Oh incindently before I left UT I did hunt down the 9 guys. I showed them what a veteran shock hoe was capable of

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Originally by: Blacklight

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There is no black and white, good vs evil in Eve. Only shades of grey all coloured by self interest.

Originally by: Jade Alexandre

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I'd imagine that CCP will never allow any single alliance to dominate the game for too long. IMO the biggest problems with Eve just now stem from the extremely unfair T2 lottery system which encourages monopolism (and if there are anything to the rumours, BoB directly and indirectly control far too many T2 BPO'S), and unbalanced combat mechanics that turn many encounters into an exercise in having superior numbers. I would personally like to see specialised ship roles such as those filled by interdictors and gang support being given more attention, so that the actual act of combat can become more tactical (and generally last more than 10 or 15 seconds).

With greater access to T2 equipment and ships and the possiblity for specialised roles to counteract superior numbers and turn the tide of battle, maybe fighting BoB would make the outcome fun and surprising, instead of inevitable.

Either way, they keep EvE interesting and I look forward to more encounters with them.

See ya in space

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Originally by: slothe

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Edited by: slothe on 08/04/2006 00:46:25
This is also no joke alongside other threads.

Eve for a long time has been balanced by alliances that have fought each other and conflicts have ravaged areas of 0.0 space.

however recent events have shown the balance of power to have shifted in a direction that has balanced the power unevenly in one direction.

this has been prophecised by numerous people. the power was split evenly (imo) between 5 and bob until the surprising breakup of 5 with 5's powerhouse ATUK joining BoB. I never thought this woul happen as (as i quite rightly thought) ATUK would never be let into bob as was. Instead ATUk morphed into another incarnation to enable them to join BoB and others followed.

My concern is this...

I cant see any other 0.0 alliance realistically fighting BoB and winning.

So why bother...?

indeed.

my concern is BoB has grown so strong.. and TOO strong no-one will bother. BoB could, and indeed will dominate 0.0.

BoB could potentially ruin EvE as is.

Dont get me wrong i <3 blacklight and db preacher and fanbois (and i think they know that) BUT no realistic opposition to BoB = the end of eve. Simply noone will be bothered to stop an immovable force. People will move to other games. maybe sell accounts, and try someting different.

Seeing the end of BMC and G and even IRON illustrates that to me. Who else will figt BoB? No-one, thats the problem. eve end game is here. ill kill my character if this continues and i love this game.

slothe out o/

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Originally by: darth solo

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like iv always said slothe.. ppl join them because most of eve players are cowards.. thats why i was as annoyed when u guys teamed up with the winning team and decided not to fight them..


Ill never move to the so called winning side, my EVE fun is in fighting the big boys... but u are correct in that ppl will either move to BOB or just leave EVE, i know a few ppl that are already thinking about it... The reason BOB do so good is they have a shockingly high % of forum users.. they are all over threads as soon as they start... this intimidates alot of EVE users... thats a shame.

A while ago some powerfull eve players were looking to get together(Alliance leaders and corp leaders) and take on the superpower at the time.. i think it was 5.... but it never came to...

Id be happy to throw away old grudges to fight BOB united for the sake of EVE. But is really that many good pvpers left that arnt in BOB that would be prepared to work together?.. prob not.

PPL need to grow some balls.

d solo.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Doesn`t make my statement untrue.

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Originally by: Mallik Hendrake

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JF is Kos for being annoying, mostly. doublespeaking doubledealing manipulative and divisive. I'm sure you'll have some witty retort to that, but the number of paragraphs it'll take you to say it will only prove my point. You're all talk. Talkitytalktalktalk.

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Originally by: Jade Alexandre

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I'd imagine that CCP will never allow any single alliance to dominate the game for too long. IMO the biggest problems with Eve just now stem from the extremely unfair T2 lottery system which encourages monopolism (and if there are anything to the rumours, BoB directly and indirectly control far too many T2 BPO'S), and unbalanced combat mechanics that turn many encounters into an exercise in having superior numbers. I would personally like to see specialised ship roles such as those filled by interdictors and gang support being given more attention, so that the actual act of combat can become more tactical (and generally last more than 10 or 15 seconds).

With greater access to T2 equipment and ships and the possiblity for specialised roles to counteract superior numbers and turn the tide of battle, maybe fighting BoB would make the outcome fun and surprising, instead of inevitable.

Either way, they keep EvE interesting and I look forward to more encounters with them.

See ya in space

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Originally by: MAXSuicide

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only carebears call pvpers 'greifers'

ehehehh....

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.

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Originally by: Agent Kenshin

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There you go even if you got the t2 and stuff and started to kill them. It still brings me back to my point of you need to be able and willing to poor the assault on for an extended period of time and even killing them they have more ships ready. They can replace their loses in no time. People have to be willing to stand and fight and have the resources to bring that fight for a long time. Its one of the reasons why running gank squads through ASCN and BoB doesnt work very well. Sure it may be a demoralizer but they can just go back and get another ship and be out the next day.

Industry is and always will be the driving force behind alliance wars in EVE. The bigger yours is the more successful you will be. If you guys continually fight and continue to lose ships on both sides it will break down to who is still fielding the larger ships and who can field them the longest. Last time i checked a fleet of frigs didnt really match up well against a fleet of cruisers.(Sure there are exceptions depending on pilot skill and your commanders skill. But in the end you still have to replace those loses.)

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 08/04/2006 17:03:29

Originally by: Mallik Hendrake

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JF is Kos for being annoying, mostly. doublespeaking doubledealing manipulative and divisive. I'm sure you'll have some witty retort to that, but the number of paragraphs it'll take you to say it will only prove my point. You're all talk. Talkitytalktalktalk.

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Of course in fact you have no evidence or factual report to support that accusation do you? So basically we are KOS because we wouldn't be bullied by you which was precisely what I said earlier. And of course if its your suspect opinion we are all talk lets Battleship duel you and I and see who wins? How would that be Mallik Hendrake? (or would you prefer to do your talking from the middle of a blob and avoid the challenge of single combat)

(which is of course another reason why this anti-bob coalition of the willing thing is a bit rubbish. If I got smack-talked by a BoB pilot I'm pretty convinced the organisational peer pressure on the guy would be to back up his smack in a spaceship fight with me to clear the air. In IRON there isn't that discipline and sense of communal excellence that makes the membership need to back up its words in space. You guys are free to talk rubbish on the forums without ever being called to account for it in space.)

And thats why you get to splutter out some silly insults and accuse me of being all talk while simultaneously hiding under the covers the moment I suggest a spaceship duel ... ironic isn't it

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Originally by: Moghydin

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Originally by: Agent Kenshin

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There you go even if you got the t2 and stuff and started to kill them. It still brings me back to my point of you need to be able and willing to poor the assault on for an extended period of time and even killing them they have more ships ready. They can replace their loses in no time. People have to be willing to stand and fight and have the resources to bring that fight for a long time. Its one of the reasons why running gank squads through ASCN and BoB doesnt work very well. Sure it may be a demoralizer but they can just go back and get another ship and be out the next day.

Industry is and always will be the driving force behind alliance wars in EVE. The bigger yours is the more successful you will be. If you guys continually fight and continue to lose ships on both sides it will break down to who is still fielding the larger ships and who can field them the longest. Last time i checked a fleet of frigs didnt really match up well against a fleet of cruisers.(Sure there are exceptions depending on pilot skill and your commanders skill. But in the end you still have to replace those loses.)

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Good point. Behind any alliance that wants to be successfull should be a strong industry and logistics backbone. No one can match that of BoB's now. Why? Several reasons - of course they worked hard for a very LONG time to achieve this. They had a vision and a plan and they did anything to achieve what they have now. They have good leaders and good pilots, but is that all? No, it's not. from another point of view what is BoB? It's the alliance of veteran pilots with huge Eve experience and resources, combined with good leadership and strong industrial component. Nothing of these factors alone wouldn't be enough to succeed, but all 3 of them is the "I Win" button.

Quite naturally, ppl who play for a long time achieve some of their goals. Those who want to PvP, become good PvPers, those who like to build industrial empires and produce things excel at that. Now combine these ppl into 1 alliance, give them goal and a good leader. You get BoB. Add to this the tech II industry mechanicks, that encourage monopolization and you'll see that you get extreme concentration of both military and economic power in one alliance.

How all of this will influence Eve as a whole? The effect won't be positive I think. Eve is there for quite a long time, many other MMORPGS were born and gone and Eve is here, at better shape than ever, but timespan of Eve is such that it is viable to compare Eve to some very old (ancient) text-based MMORPGs - MUDS. Eventually all of them die because some group of long-term players comes together and siezes control over the game. For advanced players it takes away the fun in game. They know they reached their limit and won't be allowed to move further by the ruling force. For n00bs, while there is fun in game, the impression is such that no matter what they do, they'll never be "there" (you know what I mean).

As to why these guilds (alliances) form. I guess ppl want to play with like-level of fellow gamers. If you're very good at anything, you tend to play with gamers who are good at their thing too, that way we see the burth of "no n00bs" corps and alliances. Truth is, it happenes nearly in any MMORPG (so I guess fundamental law of some kind is at work here). It turnes out that burth and success of BoB (the name could be different) was inevitable.

It's you right to disagree, but that's what I think.

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You are missing the point Darth. Big time. You might have been willing to throw away old grudges to fight BoB but virtually nobody else in the anti BoB block was. This represents a failure of leadership, a failure of vision, and just maybe the fact that your premise for the conflict was wrong in the first place. The people shouting loudest about how "evil" bob was were hypocrits - their own alliances and corporations were ganking neutrals, closing space, and generally doing absolutely everything they accused their enemies of doing. It was clearly and transparently a manipulative call for somebody else to do their dirty work for them.

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Originally by: Tran Duma

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New Patch will come out in a few days .Evry-one will wake up in empire your only ship will be the noob ship you gona keep your skills and in your wallet you will find 10.000 isk.
Miner 1 is allready fitted ,go fly in space and have fun.Thats the power of ccp also.

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Originally by: The Wizz117

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evry one knows bob are famouse for the gm alliance

thye have all the t2 bpo's
they have capital ships
gm's are working against iron. like "angels atacking iron station" there where gm's piloting "npc" DREADNOUGHTS shooting against iron station WTF?!


and last week there was a fleet of 600 ascn and bob with 50! dreads and some carriers. there was a defence fleet formed of 32 people. WTF are u suposed to fight 40 dreads vs a pos? is that the way ccp wants it? aint it suposed to be 1 dread+support vs a pos?

we can do nothing in defence if they have such a fleets each weekend i might aswel quit eve couse evry time i would setup a base in 0.0 it would be poped unless i join bob ofcourse..

and im not going in friking empire.

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Originally by: The Wizz117

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evry one knows bob are famouse for the gm alliance

thye have all the t2 bpo's
they have capital ships
gm's are working against iron. like "angels atacking iron station" there where gm's piloting "npc" DREADNOUGHTS shooting against iron station WTF?!

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Originally by: Ginger Magician

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I have the fingerspeed of a teenager the brains of a rocket scientist and the tactical nous of a 5 star general.
Why do u think I'm so freaking good?

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Originally by: The Wizz117

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and last week there was a fleet of 600 ascn and bob with 50! dreads and some carriers. there was a defence fleet formed of 32 people. WTF are u suposed to fight 40 dreads vs a pos? is that the way ccp wants it? aint it suposed to be 1 dread+support vs a pos?

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Another Eve meet/fanfest/event in London and I am reminded of the real reason why BoB are as successful as we are.

About 40-50 of us out of the 200+ people there and whether we'd met before or not we were all very close mates and the best of drinking buddies.

Anyone who thinks it's about skill points or logistics or whatever is missing the real point. We're not an alliance and I saw this clearly tonight - we are a Band of Brothers.

Damn I love all my guys

/gets all emo and stuff

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Originally by: Razor Jaxx

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Another Eve meet/fanfest/event in London and I am reminded of the real reason why BoB are as successful as we are.

About 40-50 of us out of the 200+ people there and whether we'd met before or not we were all very close mates and the best of drinking buddies.

Anyone who thinks it's about skill points or logistics or whatever is missing the real point. We're not an alliance and I saw this clearly tonight - we are a Band of Brothers.

Damn I love all my guys

/gets all emo and stuff

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Who would've thought you'd get all mushy after a few drinks?

Nice to hear you had a good time at the meet, tho - any savory pics for us poor foreigners?

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Originally by: The Wizz117

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evry one knows bob are famouse for the gm alliance

thye have all the t2 bpo's
they have capital ships
gm's are working against iron. like "angels atacking iron station" there where gm's piloting "npc" DREADNOUGHTS shooting against iron station WTF?!


and last week there was a fleet of 600 ascn and bob with 50! dreads and some carriers. there was a defence fleet formed of 32 people. WTF are u suposed to fight 40 dreads vs a pos? is that the way ccp wants it? aint it suposed to be 1 dread+support vs a pos?

we can do nothing in defence if they have such a fleets each weekend i might aswel quit eve couse evry time i would setup a base in 0.0 it would be poped unless i join bob ofcourse..

and im not going in friking empire.

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Originally by: piddle spank

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BOB is like joining a server joining winning team and buying an AWP
don;t worry about your E-Peen so much guys try not being on the winning team its fun

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Originally by: darth solo

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like iv always said slothe.. ppl join them because most of eve players are cowards.. thats why i was as annoyed when u guys teamed up with the winning team and decided not to fight them..


Ill never move to the so called winning side, my EVE fun is in fighting the big boys... but u are correct in that ppl will either move to BOB or just leave EVE, i know a few ppl that are already thinking about it... The reason BOB do so good is they have a shockingly high % of forum users.. they are all over threads as soon as they start... this intimidates alot of EVE users... thats a shame.

A while ago some powerfull eve players were looking to get together(Alliance leaders and corp leaders) and take on the superpower at the time.. i think it was 5.... but it never came to...

Id be happy to throw away old grudges to fight BOB united for the sake of EVE. But is really that many good pvpers left that arnt in BOB that would be prepared to work together?.. prob not.

PPL need to grow some balls.

d solo.

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Originally by: alty mcaltalot

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of course, it would be handy if all alliances had a chance to be able to build and resupply t2 ships such as bob can, but that's a bit of a problem when there's only 20 bpos of each bloody ship

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: alty mcaltalot

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of course, it would be handy if all alliances had a chance to be able to build and resupply t2 ships such as bob can, but that's a bit of a problem when there's only 20 bpos of each bloody ship

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And that restriction is bypassed by BoB how exactly?
We all play the same game. Stop trying to make excuses.

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Originally by: alty mcaltalot

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: alty mcaltalot

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of course, it would be handy if all alliances had a chance to be able to build and resupply t2 ships such as bob can, but that's a bit of a problem when there's only 20 bpos of each bloody ship

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And that restriction is bypassed by BoB how exactly?
We all play the same game. Stop trying to make excuses.

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please get over yourself. if anything it was a hidden complement to bob for being able to aquire so many t2 bpos with the restrictions currently in place. it was a t2 bpo whine, not an anti-bob whine.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: alty mcaltalot

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: alty mcaltalot

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of course, it would be handy if all alliances had a chance to be able to build and resupply t2 ships such as bob can, but that's a bit of a problem when there's only 20 bpos of each bloody ship

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And that restriction is bypassed by BoB how exactly?
We all play the same game. Stop trying to make excuses.

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please get over yourself. if anything it was a hidden complement to bob for being able to aquire so many t2 bpos with the restrictions currently in place. it was a t2 bpo whine, not an anti-bob whine.

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You would have a point if BoB owned all of the TechII bpo's, or even the majority.
Unfortunately that isn't the case.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/04/2006 20:20:42
/me sits back, puts her feet up on her desk and looks over to Gal, Molle and Blacklight.

"Job's a good 'un."

dbp

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Originally by: sidthesexist

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/04/2006 20:20:42
/me sits back, puts her feet up on her desk and looks over to Gal, Molle and Blacklight.

"Job's a good 'un."

dbp

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Allways thought you were a woman with your ability to tell people the sky is lime-green and have people believe it.

Didnt really know 100% until that statement.

Also understand your arguementative skills aswell now, you have them built in!

Nice to know i argue with a pro hun.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Another Eve meet/fanfest/event in London and I am reminded of the real reason why BoB are as successful as we are.

About 40-50 of us out of the 200+ people there and whether we'd met before or not we were all very close mates and the best of drinking buddies.

Anyone who thinks it's about skill points or logistics or whatever is missing the real point. We're not an alliance and I saw this clearly tonight - we are a Band of Brothers.

Damn I love all my guys

/gets all emo and stuff

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Originally by: Rebellion

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Oi mate!

I think you and a lot of other people are thinking too much. People seem to be attributing us with so many schemes and hidden plots that I'm amazed at our alleged capabilities.

Just go with the flow, see where it takes you and react to the changing winds. Have fun while on the journey.

It is just that simple.

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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg

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Let me build you a soap box:

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THere you go.

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I love how you practically want to fellate BoB. You say that the north was anti-BoB yet they failed at that purpose cause they hated each other? did PA/NBSI/FE + G/IRON/RZR ever try a move against BoB? Or anyting combined against the south for that matter? No. So whatever point you're trying to make by saying the north was cohesive enough is moot, because there isnt a point. The sole purpose of hte north wasnt to smash BoB, prolly not to smash the south, but just to live semi-peacefully.I also love your blanket accusations that IRON had no cohesion. Has about as much credo as anything you've said.

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Originally by: Earthan

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Hmm actually you may forget about us cause we aren tanywhere near G/I(past) power or BOB , but Norad is alive and following its deomcratic and civilised rules.We are friendly to neutrals outside our space, in our space we ask them to leave, if they comply we dont harm them. I was alwyys wondering , since JF was so close with BOB since GNW, what do you think about BOB now?Destroying civilized alliances all around , like band of huns,killing nearly everybody they meet?Alllowing to live only slave-pets entities?

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Originally by: Blacklight

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I would just like to say that BoB endorse JF's stance on forum posting fully

/chuckles

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Originally by: Darko1107

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Ive had some milk.

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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If you are asking what does JF think about BoB destroying IRON and G and whoever else the answer is "thats their business". [...]

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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii

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you know what i feel left out jf never gave us any love in atuk and now no love in dice

whats the deal jf

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Originally by: Acwron

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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[[...]
If you are asking what does JF think about BoB destroying IRON and G and whoever else the answer is "thats their business". [...]

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Is this some form of myth building Jasmine?

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Originally by: Acwron

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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[[...]
If you are asking what does JF think about BoB destroying IRON and G and whoever else the answer is "thats their business". [...]

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Is this some form of myth building Jasmine?

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Don't ask me I was responding to some other guy asking what I thought about "teh ebil" BoB murdering civilised alliances. I kinda assumed you people would see yourselves as civilised and the geezer felt you were being oppressed. Funny really.

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Originally by: Acwron

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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[[...]
If you are asking what does JF think about BoB destroying IRON and G and whoever else the answer is "thats their business". [...]

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Is this some form of myth building Jasmine?

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Don't ask me I was responding to some other guy asking what I thought about "teh ebil" BoB murdering civilised alliances. I kinda assumed you people would see yourselves as civilised and the geezer felt you were being oppressed. Funny really.

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Originally by: Acwron

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Edited by: Acwron on 09/04/2006 22:58:19

Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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Originally by: Acwron

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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine

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[[...]
If you are asking what does JF think about BoB destroying IRON and G and whoever else the answer is "thats their business". [...]

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Is this some form of myth building Jasmine?

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Don't ask me I was responding to some other guy asking what I thought about "teh ebil" BoB murdering civilised alliances. I kinda assumed you people would see yourselves as civilised and the geezer felt you were being oppressed. Funny really.

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I was referring to the "BoB destroying IRON and G" bit but just keep posting unrelated stuff. Someday people will buy it if you keep on doing so.

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Originally by: Acwron

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I was referring to the "BoB destroying IRON and G" bit but just keep posting unrelated stuff. Someday people will buy it if you keep on doing so.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Originally by: Acwron

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I was referring to the "BoB destroying IRON and G" bit but just keep posting unrelated stuff. Someday people will buy it if you keep on doing so.

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Oh come on Acwron, everyone knows by attacking a 'totally unrelated industrial alliance' we destroyed IRON and G overnight, but we won't like gloat about it because like we don't do that and to be honest we never use the forums anyway and like stuff.

Anyway when we were plotting the last couple of weeks both Darko and Woody said to me and my alt Seleene (who was obviously in on the planning as MC = BoB = MC and stuff) that it would be fun if we hit TRUST and then you guys would like do something catastrophic with your alliances and we'd all sit over beers at Woody's house laughing about it and stuff whilst LeMonde and Wrangler served us more booze and pizza and ... and ...

Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat by the way?

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Originally by: Acwron

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I was referring to the "BoB destroying IRON and G" bit but just keep posting unrelated stuff. Someday people will buy it if you keep on doing so.

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Oh come on Acwron, everyone knows by attacking a 'totally unrelated industrial alliance' we destroyed IRON and G overnight, but we won't like gloat about it because like we don't do that and to be honest we never use the forums anyway and like stuff.

Anyway when we were plotting the last couple of weeks both Darko and Woody said to me and my alt Seleene (who was obviously in on the planning as MC = BoB = MC and stuff) that it would be fun if we hit TRUST and then you guys would like do something catastrophic with your alliances and we'd all sit over beers at Woody's house laughing about it and stuff whilst LeMonde and Wrangler served us more booze and pizza and ... and ...

Has anyone seen my tinfoil hat by the way?

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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umm yeah whatever, cheers! i will get toasted tomorrow, but who cares? seriously though, i would love to see a JF guy actually ingame fighting for their believes. i always thought: ok this is galnet propaganda and stuff, but i rly NEVER saw u guys fighting us at a single occasion

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