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CCP Soulblighter
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:38:00 -
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Unforgiven Storm wrote:CCP Soulblighter wrote:
Any drones in space when you get forced into an emergency warp (this doesn't happen for normal warping) will attempt to return to your drone bay as though you issued the command yourself. If they are too far away, or your ship can align and warp out before they get back, you'll leave them behind.
why not? why not make this a new option for drones, were when I warp out they try to return to my ship before I warp? what is the argument for not to do it also in normal warp outs?
I made the same argument, but there are some razor thin edge cases to consider like "I might have survived if my ECM drones hadn't recalled while I aligned for warp", which kind of necessitates a new drone setting which ultimately ended up being deemed out of scope for the task at hand.
But fear not, I went out of my way to make it easy to revisit easily later. The functionality itself is just a flag to set when warping that, at the moment, only e-warp sets. |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce
48
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:46:00 -
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currently there is no drones in distant space tab in the drone bay. And drones to not stay linked after warp off if they are left.
Hopefully this feature was removed so it could be improved with a relink option for drones in distant space. |
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
19
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Posted - 2011.11.10 18:57:00 -
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CCP Soulblighter wrote:I made the same argument, but there are some razor thin edge cases to consider like "I might have survived if my ECM drones hadn't recalled while I aligned for warp", which kind of necessitates a new drone setting which ultimately ended up being deemed out of scope for the task at hand.
But fear not, I went out of my way to make it easy to revisit easily later. The functionality itself is just a flag to set when warping that, at the moment, only e-warp sets.
All of my love. |
Zircon Dasher
Zirconia Trade Group
20
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Posted - 2011.11.10 19:05:00 -
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Thanks for making PVE, in potentially hostile enviroments, a little easier to do in a drone boat CCP! |
Usurpine
Galactic Defence Consortium United Pod Service
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Posted - 2011.11.10 19:38:00 -
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This all looks pretty good to me. Just downloading test server only to test that. Its hard to trust my eyes reading that you are really busy in making some new content into eve. Really i like that.
So when you are now into the drone work, how about fixing the drone AI even more ? I wish i could "program" my drones with a bit more behavior, eg. using scripts or something. How about hat ? I REALLY REALLY wish drones for looting and/or doing the salvage, i would pay a billion for a set of 5.
Man, i seriously have to change my opinion about ccp development. Keep up the good work ! |
Junky Juke
Delta Division.
10
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:19:00 -
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My Gallente heart beats again for you CCP |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
79
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:35:00 -
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Usurpine wrote:This all looks pretty good to me. Just downloading test server only to test that. Its hard to trust my eyes reading that you are really busy in making some new content into eve. Really i like that.
So when you are now into the drone work, how about fixing the drone AI even more ? I wish i could "program" my drones with a bit more behavior, eg. using scripts or something. How about hat ? I REALLY REALLY wish drones for looting and/or doing the salvage, i would pay a billion for a set of 5.
Man, i seriously have to change my opinion about ccp development. Keep up the good work !
That would be great, but entirely pointless until they actually follow the orders and settings we give them. Currently my expectations on drone AI are so low, that I'd settle for drones that focus fire when ordered and don't randomly choose targets on their own or alternatively stop shooting targets entirely depending on your drone aggression settings. I love flying drone boats as an idea, but every time i actually fly them I end up hating it because the little buggers need constant herding to get them to do what I ordered.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
117
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:36:00 -
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CCP Soulblighter wrote:I made the same argument, but there are some razor thin edge cases to consider like "I might have survived if my ECM drones hadn't recalled while I aligned for warp", which kind of necessitates a new drone setting which ultimately ended up being deemed out of scope for the task at hand.
But fear not, I went out of my way to make it easy to revisit easily later. The functionality itself is just a flag to set when warping that, at the moment, only e-warp sets.
Personally, I use the ol' jammer hornet gtfo trick to save my skin pretty regularly, so I appreciate them not disengaging when I warp out. If this is to be revisited later, perhaps it could be a default action you could adjust in your eve settings? This is an awesome change... I can see why probably more pilots than those that agree with me on the default action of the drones exist, and I see where they are coming from... but as a guy who's usually out numbered and out gunned, the system CCP just created there is without flaw. All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Gloredon
Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.11.10 20:46:00 -
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+1 CCP, Thanks Soulblighter, from the bottom of my Gallente heart. You guys are rocking the FiS changes now! |
ShadowFire15
BOAE INC BricK sQuAD.
35
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:00:00 -
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Unforgiven Storm wrote:CCP Soulblighter wrote:
Any drones in space when you get forced into an emergency warp (this doesn't happen for normal warping) will attempt to return to your drone bay as though you issued the command yourself. If they are too far away, or your ship can align and warp out before they get back, you'll leave them behind.
why not? why not make this a new option for drones, were when I warp out they try to return to my ship before I warp? what is the argument for not to do it also in normal warp outs?
they probably want to leave that for fighters and fighter bombers. Stan Smith had a snow storm over weekend guy was shoveling snow outside, so i shot him and mined the snow myself. concord never showed up. on an unrelated note, i have a court date next tuesday |
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
121
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:41:00 -
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CCP Soulblighter wrote:Unforgiven Storm wrote:CCP Soulblighter wrote:
Any drones in space when you get forced into an emergency warp (this doesn't happen for normal warping) will attempt to return to your drone bay as though you issued the command yourself. If they are too far away, or your ship can align and warp out before they get back, you'll leave them behind.
why not? why not make this a new option for drones, were when I warp out they try to return to my ship before I warp? what is the argument for not to do it also in normal warp outs? I made the same argument, but there are some razor thin edge cases to consider like "I might have survived if my ECM drones hadn't recalled while I aligned for warp", which kind of necessitates a new drone setting which ultimately ended up being deemed out of scope for the task at hand. But fear not, I went out of my way to make it easy to revisit easily later. The functionality itself is just a flag to set when warping that, at the moment, only e-warp sets.
How about "drones which are currently not engaging a target will attempt to return before any warp"? This wouldn't interfere with ECM drones, but it would save those forgotten on a gate or in a completed mission. |
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CCP Kepler
C C P C C P Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.11.10 22:54:00 -
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CCP Soulblighter wrote:Autonomous Monster wrote:What what what Can we have remote reconnection to drones as well now? Who knows what the next Sisi update will hold? You are such a tease. |
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mkint
317
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:00:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:CCP Soulblighter wrote:Unforgiven Storm wrote:CCP Soulblighter wrote:
Any drones in space when you get forced into an emergency warp (this doesn't happen for normal warping) will attempt to return to your drone bay as though you issued the command yourself. If they are too far away, or your ship can align and warp out before they get back, you'll leave them behind.
why not? why not make this a new option for drones, were when I warp out they try to return to my ship before I warp? what is the argument for not to do it also in normal warp outs? I made the same argument, but there are some razor thin edge cases to consider like "I might have survived if my ECM drones hadn't recalled while I aligned for warp", which kind of necessitates a new drone setting which ultimately ended up being deemed out of scope for the task at hand. But fear not, I went out of my way to make it easy to revisit easily later. The functionality itself is just a flag to set when warping that, at the moment, only e-warp sets. How about "drones which are currently not engaging a target will attempt to return before any warp"? This wouldn't interfere with ECM drones, but it would save those forgotten on a gate or in a completed mission. Recall on disconnect = cool recall because the owner is vapid and lazy and needs an easy mode to even get out of bed in the morning = bad |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:29:00 -
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mkint wrote: Recall on disconnect = cool recall because the owner is vapid and lazy and needs an easy mode to even get out of bed in the morning = bad
This. This feature is great as it is right now. There is no need to make them auto return on any warp or teleport to your bay or anything. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
56
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:34:00 -
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mkint wrote: Recall on disconnect = cool recall because the owner is vapid and lazy and needs an easy mode to even get out of bed in the morning = bad
And how would you advice CCP on detecting if a random disconnection is due to a technical or biological issue?
The server doesn't have any way to know if I lost my connection due to third party issue, or if I disconnected my TP.
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Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.11.11 01:52:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:mkint wrote: Recall on disconnect = cool recall because the owner is vapid and lazy and needs an easy mode to even get out of bed in the morning = bad
And how would you advice CCP on detecting if a random disconnection is due to a technical or biological issue? The server doesn't have any way to know if I lost my connection due to third party issue, or if I disconnected my TP.
I really don't think it matters. If you're disconnecting intentionally to call your drones in then you're on a higher tier of elite then everyone else. Since relogging is sort of a hassle i don't see alot of people doing it. |
GeoffWICE
Grey Nomads Combat Mining and Logistics
2
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Posted - 2011.11.11 02:08:00 -
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CCP Soulblighter wrote:Unforgiven Storm wrote:CCP Soulblighter wrote:
Any drones in space when you get forced into an emergency warp (this doesn't happen for normal warping) will attempt to return to your drone bay as though you issued the command yourself. If they are too far away, or your ship can align and warp out before they get back, you'll leave them behind.
why not? why not make this a new option for drones, were when I warp out they try to return to my ship before I warp? what is the argument for not to do it also in normal warp outs? I made the same argument, but there are some razor thin edge cases to consider like "I might have survived if my ECM drones hadn't recalled while I aligned for warp", which kind of necessitates a new drone setting which ultimately ended up being deemed out of scope for the task at hand. But fear not, I went out of my way to make it easy to revisit easily later. The functionality itself is just a flag to set when warping that, at the moment, only e-warp sets.
easy enough that we could have an option on the drone menu to turn it on and off our selves? |
mkint
317
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Posted - 2011.11.11 08:49:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:mkint wrote: Recall on disconnect = cool recall because the owner is vapid and lazy and needs an easy mode to even get out of bed in the morning = bad
And how would you advice CCP on detecting if a random disconnection is due to a technical or biological issue? The server doesn't have any way to know if I lost my connection due to third party issue, or if I disconnected my TP. The question isn't between different kinds of disconnect.
What they are proposing is "I'm too lazy or vapid to recall my drones before docking because my brain is melted from too many mining lasers so I must be babysat and have them automatically try to return to my drone bay."
Still, I vote no. Just because a feature can be easily added, doesn't mean it should be. |
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
20
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Posted - 2011.11.11 14:27:00 -
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mkint wrote:The question isn't between different kinds of disconnect.
What they are proposing is "I'm too lazy or vapid to recall my drones before docking because my brain is melted from too many mining lasers so I must be babysat and have them automatically try to return to my drone bay."
Still, I vote no. Just because a feature can be easily added, doesn't mean it should be.
What exactly do we lose, other than pointless micro? |
mkint
317
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:16:00 -
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Autonomous Monster wrote:mkint wrote:The question isn't between different kinds of disconnect.
What they are proposing is "I'm too lazy or vapid to recall my drones before docking because my brain is melted from too many mining lasers so I must be babysat and have them automatically try to return to my drone bay."
Still, I vote no. Just because a feature can be easily added, doesn't mean it should be. What exactly do we lose, other than pointless micro? Consequences for not taking care of your stuff. |
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Zizeria
Globaltech Industries Sanctuary Pact
0
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:42:00 -
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I would still like to see a "reconnect to lost drones" key. If it can be done with probes 5-10-whatever AU away why not with disconnected drones within control range?
Not to sound ungrateful, this change is good too.
-Ziz |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
263
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Posted - 2011.11.14 08:55:00 -
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Hungry Eyes wrote:there is absolutely no rational argument for not allowing drones to teleport into their drone bay on specialized drone boats when you initiate warp. i mean, do turrets and missile launchers get left behind when u warp? lol. allowing this would not break balance in any way. it would just make drone boats more viable in roaming gangs.
You want magical teleporting drones and your using the world rational? The reasons that guns aren't lost when you warp is because they are attached to your ship.
I mean... lol - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Toramii
Le Moulin Rouge
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 11:05:00 -
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One thing I do find annoying is when a fleet commander issues fleet warp with little (or no) notice and your drones are 'out there' doing their thing |
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