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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.04.09 17:44:00 -
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"Ok - if you give it an ability to instapwn inties, then: what kind of defence do you propose for said inties if they wish to tackle you or even come closer than 50km's?"
So, to summarize: a ship is given sucky overall damage in comparison to other field commands and to compensate, a theoretical ability to hit small crafts... and then this ability is taken away because it leaves said small crafts defenseless. In the end leaving ship in question with sucky damage and no compensation for this whatsoever.
How does the final outcome of this make any sense, again?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.09 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 09/04/2006 18:47:01
Originally by: Wartogg
Originally by: Meeko Gloom
Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
One question: Do you think you are supposed to own any inty in one-two salvos just when you equip precissions?
yes.
no.
yes. :)
no
yes
NO DAMNIT!
oh and:
Originally by: Jim Raynor why not just give the nighthawk a launcher rate of fire bonus instead of one of the useless precision/target nav prediction bonuses and call it a day?
it'd be on par with the other command bcruisers dps wise and be a perfectly good and worthwhile ship to train for
yes. ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.09 18:47:00 -
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yeah, it needs fixing.
and so does your ****** up sig!
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Jagaroth
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Posted - 2006.04.09 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia FFS, you're not flying a combat ship, you're flying a gang-bonus-***** ship.
Point me to the gang bonus it confers... It is no better than a Ferox in that respect. ------
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.09 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jagaroth
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia FFS, you're not flying a combat ship, you're flying a gang-bonus-***** ship.
Point me to the gang bonus it confers... It is no better than a Ferox in that respect.
and, imho, that's the problem
Field Commands are just souped-up HAC's ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.09 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Field Commands are just souped-up HAC's
wrong. 3/4 field commands are just souped-up HACs
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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alty mcaltalot
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Posted - 2006.04.09 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Grimpak Field Commands are just souped-up HAC's
wrong. 3/4 field commands are just souped-up HACs
1/2
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.04.09 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: alty mcaltalot
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Grimpak Field Commands are just souped-up HAC's
wrong. 3/4 field commands are just souped-up HACs
1/2
Wrong.
Sleipnir = Uber-Muninn Astarte = Uber-Deimos Absolution = Uber-Zealot Nighthawk = Craptacular
How is that 1/2?
Den ________________________________________
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Denrace
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Posted - 2006.04.09 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Raynor why not just give the nighthawk a launcher rate of fire bonus instead of one of the useless precision/target nav prediction bonuses and call it a day?
it'd be on par with the other command bcruisers dps wise and be a perfectly good and worthwhile ship to train for
Once again, Jim hits the nail on the head.
However, the NH needs more than a single ROF bonus to push it past 400DPS.
It should do AT LEAST 500DPS.
Maybe swap out a low slot for an 8th High and give it 7 or 8 launchers.
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Lord Spidey
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Posted - 2006.04.09 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 09/04/2006 09:40:50 One question: Do you think you are supposed to own any inty in one-two salvos just when you equip precissions?
One question: Do you think you are going to own a inty after 10 salvos when you hit for .2 with precisions?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.04.09 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Grimpak Field Commands are just souped-up HAC's
wrong. 3/4 field commands are just souped-up HACs
ok then, 3/4 field commands are just souped-up HAC's
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Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.09 21:18:00 -
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Whats your point??????? medium guns wouldnt touch him at all
Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas' |
Wizie
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Posted - 2006.04.09 22:01:00 -
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[ 2006.03.28 08:00:20 ] (combat) Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II glances off Merrin Farthing [KDM], causing no real damage.
Was a frig tech I.
My 220mm autocannon Vaga missed it.
BOOST THE VAGA!!!!!
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Nifel
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Posted - 2006.04.09 22:16:00 -
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Next time shoot at an interceptor pilot that doesn't have a snake set.
"We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago." RKK Ranking: (MIN13) Jata |
Tousaka Langley
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Posted - 2006.04.09 22:17:00 -
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As has been pointed out much earlier, it's obvious he had just de-activated his MWD but still had mad speed.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.09 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra Whats your point??????? medium guns wouldnt touch him at all
so how ****ed off would you be if you lost your damage bonuses for bonuses to hitting frigs and STILL couldn't do it?
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2006.04.09 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kayosoni on 09/04/2006 22:21:55
Originally by: Tousaka Langley As has been pointed out much earlier, it's obvious he had just de-activated his MWD but still had mad speed.
AsI pointed out earlier, it's obvious you're retarded. He had his MWD on the netire time, out of 30 missiles shot, 1 hit him for .2 damage, and after that 1 hit him, he was going faster than my missile's velocity. -----------------------------------
btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai |
BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.04.10 00:06:00 -
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And here i was hoping i was gonna like the Nigthawk...it looked so sexy :(
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries* this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.04.10 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Denrace
Originally by: Jim Raynor why not just give the nighthawk a launcher rate of fire bonus instead of one of the useless precision/target nav prediction bonuses and call it a day?
it'd be on par with the other command bcruisers dps wise and be a perfectly good and worthwhile ship to train for
Once again, Jim hits the nail on the head.
However, the NH needs more than a single ROF bonus to push it past 400DPS.
It should do AT LEAST 500DPS.
Maybe swap out a low slot for an 8th High and give it 7 or 8 launchers.
If it had a rate of fire bonus + kinetic missile damage bonus and you had maximum skills and you fit 3 dread gurista ballistics you would do exactly 460 DPS with 6 launchers.
By comparison a Cerberus does 383 DPS using scourge and max skills and 3 dg bcu.
Nighthawk would do 552 DPS with Fury Scourge, max. Cerberus does 460 DPS with Fury Scourge, max.
Seems pretty low, but I think a good Cerberus setup can hang tough against pretty much any other HAC really despite the DPS not being phenominal on paper (missiles dont miss, you can fire from any range, ect).
Anyways, Nighthawk should have the same bonuses as a Cerberus offensively really to be as good as the other command battlecruisers, it's a joke right now, oh well. ------
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Prestis
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Posted - 2006.04.10 02:43:00 -
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That damge is 0.2 more than any turret user would get on an orbiting Inty going that speed.
And just before that you got 176.6 more than any turret would hit for.
Where's the insta-pop-tacklers T2 ammo for the other half of the game?
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2006.04.10 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Prestis That damge is 0.2 more than any turret user would get on an orbiting Inty going that speed.
And just before that you got 176.6 more than any turret would hit for.
Where's the insta-pop-tacklers T2 ammo for the other half of the game?
Kayo is using a bad example as to why the Nighthawk blows.
A Crow going full speed will not take damage from anything really especially if it has snake set.
Obviously if the Crow goes to turn and manuever in actual combat it will take hits, especially from missiles, that's not really the point.
I think the point Kayo was trying to make was that the Nighthawk has horrible DPS compared to ther command bcruisers AND it can't even hit frigates well with the nav/precision bonuses.
Bad example though, DPS due to lack of proper offensive bonuses is the problem with the Nighthawk not the ability to hit a Crow going 6,000m/s+ ------
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.04.13 04:43:00 -
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Clearly an argument to *Nerf* the Crow as I see it =)
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Darax Thulain
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Posted - 2006.04.13 06:07:00 -
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Oh well. This thread doesnt hold much proof as it was neur0n you were shooting at, and he had a full set of highgrade Snakes. And that only proves that he is very fast, not that your missiles are slow.
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Gee'Kin
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Posted - 2006.04.13 08:06:00 -
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real dissapointment, i dont even think its a caldari ship :P . can i get my training time back ? -------------------------------------------->
Eve is all about fun, fun and more fun. Why whine. Just adapt.
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Armi Tage
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Posted - 2006.04.13 09:57:00 -
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for all the guys that can't read, the first hit for 176.something was on another ship not the crow he hit for 0.2
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DarK
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Posted - 2006.04.13 10:13:00 -
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Wish people would stop being retarded by saying "well all the other Field command ships won't hit inties either".
Do you not realise that the reason we are complaining is that not only can it not perform it's designated role any better than the other field command ships, but also lacks the other's DPS thus leaving it with ZERO use.
Can't kill small ships, can't kill big ships.
Get it?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.04.13 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 13/04/2006 10:27:38
Quote: Can't kill small ships, can't kill big ships.
Omfg... "Cant kill small ships that are set up for speed SPECIFICALLY TO EVADE ENEMY GUNS AND MISSILES".
Try it against AFs, t1 frigs, dessys, interdictors or even t1 cruisers. They WILL die.
As for designed role, look at dictors and dessys: Additionally, much like their destroyer-class progenitors, they are well-suited to offensive strikes against frigate-sized craft.
Boost dictors and dessys! Cause fighting against AFs just asks for problems.
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El Verbatim
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Posted - 2006.04.13 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Armi Tage for all the guys that can't read, the first hit for 176.something was on another ship not the crow he hit for 0.2
Doesn't matter.... crow is going insanely fast and faster then missile velocity. Try hitting it with a turret... it does seem to hit the rifter pretty hard. Last time I checked that was also a frigate.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.04.13 13:31:00 -
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Random nublet:
"Omfg... "Cant kill small ships that are set up for speed SPECIFICALLY TO EVADE ENEMY GUNS AND MISSILES".
Try it against AFs, t1 frigs, dessys, interdictors or even t1 cruisers. They WILL die."
point is that the other ships would do it way better.
im all for a rof bonus, and the kinetic dmg bonus changed to all missiles types. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.04.13 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Sun Ra Whats your point??????? medium guns wouldnt touch him at all
so how ****ed off would you be if you lost your damage bonuses for bonuses to hitting frigs and STILL couldn't do it?
If turrent ship had a bonus that was ment to hit inties travelign at 5k id say it was over powerd and needs nerfin
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