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DSpite Culhach
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
268
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Posted - 2014.02.13 03:02:00 -
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TL;DR
For the few of you that do NOT have multiple accounts, and usually get on for only say, 1 hour sessions at random (multiple) times during the day, what activities do you focus on to generate the ISK other then PLEX injections?
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Don't get me wrong, I have a good grasp of what to do, I'm asking this here to see if anyone is willing to let go some more "secret" tips then those I can already find.
Premise: Single account, future possible limited play time, weird hours. Possible inability to grind isk in multi-hour sessions.
Current idea: Join RVB, and keep a toon in mostly cheap frigs. Short roams, get blown up lots.
Problem: The ISK making angle (if not PLEX'ing) and trying to do something "outside the box".
It's pointless (for me), finding an activity that can pay 500+ million an hour as long as you invest 10 hours in it to average that amount (wormholes for instance, when you factor in ship losses), when I'd rather get 10-50 million an hour as long as the payout is consistent and can do it in very short sessions, even if higher risk.
Would for example, just spending a long slog maxing a toon (or just buying one) to just do incursions once or twice a month, be the most focused way? I can't really park a toon in a null corp just to get on randomly and do a few anomalies, well, I can, but I'm not really being a corp member that way, and I'd feel bad.
I considered joining a low sec pirate corp OR just bribe the locals  that mostly roam the area, to allow me to run/blitz L5 missions batches once-twice a week, and cash out LP, but since I don't know anyone that runs L5's it's hard to get a handle on it; I can solo them on SiSi, but of course, on SiSi, no one is trying to kill me.
I like the idea of possibly finding something to do in low sec in the sense that I would get two things done; I would have a focused, short burst ISK machine for frig exploding, and random pvp when people find me, it's just that from what I can find so far, low sec tends to be a net isk loss overall, but maybe I've been looking in the wrong places.
PS: I'm willing to learn Russian (I have a mate that owns Rosetta Stone, I just have to buy the Russian language pack) and relocate, cause extra languages on my resume are worth the time investment
Anyway, thanks for any advice/links/articles/etc.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4301
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Posted - 2014.02.13 03:46:00 -
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Relax and be casual |
Airdorn
Nobody Loves Us
12
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Posted - 2014.02.13 03:51:00 -
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I'm a bottom feeder. I salvage T2 wrecks in null, steal loot from battlefields, etc... it makes billions.
Oh, and siphons too.. those things are a casual solo player's best friend!
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Cato Black
Meltdown.
58
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Posted - 2014.02.13 04:06:00 -
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Faction Warfare |
Garandras
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
148
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Posted - 2014.02.13 04:14:00 -
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Have a incursion set up..
If you are mainly focusing on Frig PvP you can easily affford it with only a couple of ours here and there with incursions |
Weylin Ormand
Mining Bay inc
Beacon Light Alliance
94
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Posted - 2014.02.13 04:18:00 -
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Right now I mine, only have one toon. Working on building up some PVP and PVE stuff too, but mining ice is my primary role for now. I'm casual like you too, playing maybe 2-3 hours a day unless I really get into groove. Mainly because I'm still working on getting my PVP and PVE ships moved out to nullsec from high-sec.
I mine so you can have the fuel to run your POS.
Have you thanked a miner today? |
Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
Bask of Fail
43
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Posted - 2014.02.13 05:32:00 -
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Buy the Roestta Stone, learn Russian, and charge peopel to translate durign agreements between RU players and English-speaking players.
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Guess that's not really "casual" |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1320
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Posted - 2014.02.13 07:08:00 -
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Garandras wrote:Have a incursion set up..
If you are mainly focusing on Frig PvP you can easily affford it with only a couple of ours here and there with incursions
that's terrible advice.
People will hate you if you only join incursion fleets for an hour or less at a time and unless your playtime is right after downtime chances are that you will spend all your limited play time on the waitlist twiddling your thumbs while waiting to get into the incursion fleet anyways.
To run incursions you should have at least have a 3-4h block of uninterrrupted playtime. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2014.02.13 07:20:00 -
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Do market trading.
You don't have to leave Jita, and the skills required to get your tax rates and transaction fees down are relatively quick to train to a suitable level. You can just park a secondary character in a market hub to do it (it can even be on the same account as your 'main.')
I know a guy who plexes his account using 2 billion in working capital. Really not that much. |
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
849
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Posted - 2014.02.13 07:27:00 -
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You could always casually gank miners. :D
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Grunanca
Doughboys
Shadow Cartel
144
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Posted - 2014.02.13 07:28:00 -
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I would recommend not running incursions! I have tried to run high sec incursions and the waiting is tedious. Carebears takes literally hours to fit a ship to do a simple reptitive task.
If you want it boring, do L5 missions. You have to be smart about it, but a carrier with a mobile depot to refit stabs at any time is close to immune to getting caught, if you play it smart and watch local+d-scan all the time. Downside is that if someone finds you and camp you, you might have to abandon the mission for that day as people are pretty patient when waiting for a carrier kill.
If you want it more fun, find a mission hub and scan down mission runners. Steal their loot, salvage the wrecks and try to get them to agress you. It can be a lot of fun and personally this has given me some pretty amazing solo kills. On top I remember a an ishtar attacking me, and he was kind to drop a 400 mil invul field.
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Ryder 'ook
Die..Brut
51
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Posted - 2014.02.13 08:09:00 -
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Dig into PI.
Seriously, depending on the time you want to spend, PI can make you anything from a few millions per month (look at the stuff every 3 days; haul every 2 weeks) up until hundreds of millions per month (daily babysitting / hauling + market PvP).
But it's quite easy to set up something that requires attention only every other day or so and makes you somewhere between 50 and 100 M ISK / month. That should pay for a couple of frigates.
Edit: This is per Character, of course.
Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
506
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Posted - 2014.02.13 08:54:00 -
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I can advice exploration.
Get a covop frigate (either the SoE one, or any of the T2 covop ones) and go scan down sites, Data & Relic, and hack/analyze away. It's short & can be enjoyable to see what you get.
Income can vary alot, depending on what you get, but even in short stints, it should be profitable enough to support frigate PvP (and cruiser variant)
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Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.13 09:13:00 -
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I'd probably go with exploration too. On an alt, preferably. You can log off pretty much any time anywhere. When cargo is full go and sell.
Lvl4 missions are probably good as well, but I don't like shooting rats as much, exploration is pretty much free of any commitments. |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
269
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Posted - 2014.02.13 10:23:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:I can advice exploration.
Get a covop frigate (either the SoE one, or any of the T2 covop ones) and go scan down sites, Data & Relic, and hack/analyze away. It's short & can be enjoyable to see what you get.
Income can vary alot, depending on what you get, but even in short stints, it should be profitable enough to support frigate PvP (and cruiser variant)
I have done some testing in CVA space, and I guess I was just very unlucky. I min-maxed a few skills with a single PLEX to even allow me to scan down 10/10's (albeit with manual drone fidgeting for the last 2%), but it was very hit-miss - I mean, I did not expect an isk fountain - but as a time sink, a single high end anom would have gotten about 10x the isk/h that I managed in a weel long test, again, it's all tied to RNG, but I'm trying to shoot for less time/isk deviation.
Technically, running C1 anoms would get better averages, at least from numbers I have seen, the main danger being of course players, not NPC ships.
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DSpite Culhach
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
269
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Posted - 2014.02.13 10:30:00 -
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Arkady Romanov wrote:Do market trading.
You don't have to leave Jita, and the skills required to get your tax rates and transaction fees down are relatively quick to train to a suitable level. You can just park a secondary character in a market hub to do it (it can even be on the same account as your 'main.')
I know a guy who plexes his account using 2 billion in working capital. Really not that much.
I did make a market/manufacturing toon, but I appear to suck at guessing markets trends. I have made a killing once with implants, and that was it, probably because I must of spotted it just as someone posted buy orders, and I hand delivered them to a remote station.
I am trying to get better by reading all I can, but It's scary how fast players respond to market changes sometimes. I'm not giving up on the idea, I'm just not doing very well at all so far  . I'm sure all the market data is screaming at me what I should do, but so far it might as well be written in another language. I do have EVE Mentat and a few other tools to stop me doing obvious frakups, so at least there's that.
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Shecky THCfan
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.02.13 11:11:00 -
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We have system in null just for isk making. Clone jump there, do some ratting to make isk and then jump back. Rinse and repeat as necessary. |
Rashnu Gorbani
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.02.13 11:41:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:I have done some testing in CVA space, and I guess I was just very unlucky. I min-maxed a few skills with a single PLEX to even allow me to scan down 10/10's (albeit with manual drone fidgeting for the last 2%), but it was very hit-miss - I mean, I did not expect an isk fountain - but as a time sink, a single high end anom would have gotten about 10x the isk/h that I managed in a weel long test, again, it's all tied to RNG, but I'm trying to shoot for less time/isk deviation.
Technically, running C1 anoms would get better averages, at least from numbers I have seen, the main danger being of course players, not NPC ships.
With that character age I would be very surprised if you made more than 50m per hour from anomalies. If you only made 5 m/h with exploration you're doing something very wrong. You should make more than that in hisec. I don't do exploration regularly enough but I'd think if you find a quiet enough corner of space 50m/hour should be very doable with a covops and you don't need to smuggle combat ships in for that like for doing anomalies, less chance of ganking, less isk lost per ship (unless your cargo was full :) ) etc etc. If it's an alt you can just keep it in low/null sec space and only travel to hisec when your cargo is full of valuable stuff (that's like 1b+).
I was thinking the other day what kind of 'casual' activities are there and concluded that if I had the time (meaning I wouldn't be involved in time consuming stuff) what I would do is get a blockade runner and a scanning covops in some remote region of space and would just haul the exploration loot to the blockade runner to lower the risk of being ganked with billions. When it's full (that's a LOT of money, months worth of exploring) one can just scout themselves out quite safely. Requires two accounts of course but it would be a very very rl friendly, casual way of making isk and you depend on no one. You'd only need the initial investment of the two ships and some money for a few extra covopses for when you get unlucky and die.
It's not the fastest way of getting space rich but it's an interesting nomad life and you got nothing to worry about just the occasional gate camp. |
Leafar Nightfall
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2014.02.13 11:56:00 -
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I endorse the posts about exploration. It's one of the best activity for self-funding solo imo, unless you want to plex your account. I'm not filthy rich, but I do some exploration runs once in a while and there's enough money to fund frigate/cruiser PvP without having to do it regularly
Also, travelling around with hundreds of millions worth of isk is thrilling as hell |
Kor Tramelien
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:32:00 -
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Quote: = Leafar NightfallAlso, travelling around with hundreds of millions worth of isk is thrilling as hell
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Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
3
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Posted - 2014.02.13 12:50:00 -
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Why not just blitz level 4s? Safe, short, consistant. When you don't have time to invest a couple hours just blitz a mission it will take 20 minutes tops to complete. When you have a few hours to spend join a small roam fleet. |
DSpite Culhach
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
270
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Posted - 2014.02.13 14:55:00 -
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Shecky THCfan wrote:We have system in null just for isk making. Clone jump there, do some ratting to make isk and then jump back. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
Ah yes, main issue is that this toon is the "oldest" but low SP, only some middle to moderate frig skills; two other toons are for mission running and market. When I take this one in - and the idea was to use this one to be clone-cheap and not worry about having him with "shady" corp history - and the mission runner as the money maker, which got a tad dangerous as I tend to get at least one lost socket per say, 3 hour stretch.
I do guess I could PLEX some time and min-max some specific battleship skills just for null ratting, and back that up with mission running on the other, I mean, EVE is long term game anyway.
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
435
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:03:00 -
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Kor Tramelien wrote:Quote: Leafar Nightfall: Also, travelling around with hundreds of millions worth of isk is thrilling as hell Gets on the bat-phone to his locater agent
That's the joy of exploration when you get a good drop |
Gyromite
Stronghold of the Condemned
The Bloc
21
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Posted - 2014.02.13 15:38:00 -
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I would say ninja salvaging, or exploration is your best bet. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2240
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:00:00 -
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OK, let's assume you play 1 hour / day, 30 days / month = 30 game hours.
Let's assume further you want a plex to keep your account going every month, plus 15 million / day for skillbooks/ general stuff / replacing T1 frigs lost in PvP (T1 frigs are all you can afford I would suggest).
Also assume you PvP half the time you are online.
So you need about 1,100 million / month (assume 650M per plex).
That works out to about 37M /hour you need to generate.
But if you are PvP'ing in RvB half the time, then you are looking at needing 75M / hour in your "grind time".
OK, contrary to what the goons will tell you, there is zero chance of making 75M / hour in missions. If you even attempt to factor in LP into the mix, you also have to add hauling/mfg time for those LP items to a trade hub, which will cut into your precious grind time time.
Trading takes a big stake to start, and given the way you are talking, I don't think you have that stake.
Incursions on a daily basis are out, because you will quickly earn a bad rep of jumping in and out of fleets, plus the travel time to various incursion areas will cut bigtime into your play time.
Now, if you cut back your PvP time to a third of your play time from half, and can manage to book off a 3 hour block of time every week, you can manage this, doing incursions, just maybe, if you run in the good shield HQ fleets, but just barely.
In that 3 hour bloc, assume 30 minutes travel time and wait time to get into a good fleet.
Then you make 90M/hour for the next 2.5 hours = 225M for that session. (A lot of people will try to say you can make a LOT more than that in a good shield incursion fleet, but your own wallet will show you the truth).
So if you run incursions once/week (3 of your 7 available hours), you are looking at about 900 M /month.
The other 150 M /month, well, I would say one or 2 one hour sessions per week of L4's should top you up, leaving 2-3 hours / week for RvB.
Anything else is not a predictable, reliable source of income.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
djentropy Ovaert
Crazy Bird Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:07:00 -
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Factional Warfare.
Look for a good FW corp, even a hour or two of roaming in a FW gang can be great profit, almost always a lot of fun, and sure a hell of a lot more enjoyable then watching RvB fight their own alts in random pointless highsec yawnfests. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19334
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:07:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:OK, contrary to what the goons will tell you, there is zero chance of making 75M / hour in missions. GǪaside from it being very possible four years ago when it was harder to do so than it is today. So not only is there a good chance to get to 75M; there's a decent chance to make even more than that.
Factoring in LP means you can off-load much of your earning to the time you're not on GÇö hauling takes 5 minutes a month and other bits of the process (like manufacturing) doesn't actually take any time away from what you're doing.
Also, if you're a casual player, PLEXing is pretty darn stupid since it just means you waste a lot of your precious time in order to ensure you can waste a lot of time.
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Zensasha
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:23:00 -
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DSpite Culhach wrote:TL;DR
For the few of you that do NOT have multiple accounts, and usually get on for only say, 1 hour sessions at random (multiple) times during the day, what activities do you focus on to generate the ISK other then PLEX injections?
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Don't get me wrong, I have a good grasp of what to do, I'm asking this here to see if anyone is willing to let go some more "secret" tips then those I can already find.
Premise: Single account, future possible limited play time, weird hours. Possible inability to grind isk in multi-hour sessions.
Current idea: Join RVB, and keep a toon in mostly cheap frigs. Short roams, get blown up lots.
Problem: The ISK making angle (if not PLEX'ing) and trying to do something "outside the box".
It's pointless (for me), finding an activity that can pay 500+ million an hour as long as you invest 10 hours in it to average that amount (wormholes for instance, when you factor in ship losses), when I'd rather get 10-50 million an hour as long as the payout is consistent and can do it in very short sessions, even if higher risk.
Your current idea is excellent. I have almost exactly the situation you describe - I can play about 1 hour / night, and maybe a few hours on the weekend. For me, the great thing about RvB is that every time I log on, there is a fleet up. T1 Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers keep things affordable. The leadership of RvB has worked hard to overcome the problem of members not having the opportunity to make ISK while in RvB. A solution does exist. If you don't have a lot of time to play, and want to PvP, you really can't go wrong joining RvB. ISK will not be a problem!
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Serene Repose
Saanen Freight Service
939
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Posted - 2014.02.13 18:57:00 -
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Geez. Learn Russian then go out in their area and rag them in local for an hour!
Lord knows most of us would just LOVE to be able to do that!
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Arc'Los Xyn
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
34
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:28:00 -
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woo hop there's fellow BLUE here !
Anyhow. I was an explorer before i joined RvB.. and now that I've burned thru nearly 100 ships in PvP.. while not an expert. and only roughly a novice.. i understand my ships and mown skill limitations /advantages better.. i get on 1-2 hrs a night.. 3-4 SOMETIMES on weekends.
i am gonna go thru null sec maybe via wormholes.. or just straight up make a pitch thru several areas of low to null sec.. and do that once or twice a week to fund my T1 basic frigates /modules.
and i don't even have an Alt.. !
it should.. be buff.. and if its not snuff.. then maybe i' ll only try to lose 3 ships a night.. and not 10.. =)
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