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Sales Merchant	Posted - 2006.04.11 02:56:00 - [1] Why is BOB the only entity making big things happen in 0.0? Has it come to a point that the other 90% of alliances in 0.0 are just content for the odd 2hr skirmish on the weekend then back to mining? With the exception of ISS trade hubs, and former G and Iron's southern campaign, no one is putting thier spoons on the table content-wise. Love them or hate them, Band of Brothers has gained some respect by declaring war on THE UNIVERSE. Not because of their actual intent to kill everybody but because they are creating player content we all can enjoy. They've even turned to friendly alliances (Fix and Xelas) that thought they were safe and told them "we're gonna shoot you too!". Fix for example, ran around poking other alliances with sticks under the protection of BOB. They smacked so hard on the forums you would think they had all the spoons, and this this all because they knew BOB had their back. But now they find themselves in a very lonely place. It's every alliance for themselves and any alliance that can't hold its ground in the forthcoming fighting will most certainly loose thier territory. I don't particularly like BOB (personally I think theres too much arrogance), but they are writing EVE history right now which is more than can be said for other alliances. More alliances in 0.0 should follow suit and try to have fun instead of just being content with mining crok everyday, shipping it to Jita and logging off. The people that make and have made this game fun, the sirmolles, the jade constantines and the ragnars of this community are too few now. If BOB were to disappear and go practise elf dance emotes in WOW, what would become of 0.0? Would anyone do anything other than mine systems to death? You don't have to RP, just enjoy yourselves!
Vishnej	Posted - 2006.04.11 02:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Vishnej on 11/04/2006 02:59:35 Plenty of alliances conduct plenty of political drama. BoB just happens to be one of the strongest of the subset that smears it all over the boards. Contribute to the Eve Wiki
Masta Killa	Posted - 2006.04.11 02:59:00 - [3] Edited by: Masta Killa on 11/04/2006 02:59:21 Originally by: Sales Merchant Fix for example, ran around poking other alliances with sticks under the protection of BOB. They smacked so hard on the forums you would think they had all the spoons, and this this all because they knew BOB had their back. My name is Hast and I agree with this statement. edit - oops wrong character --------------------------------------
Perpello	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Sales Merchant Why is BOB the only entity making big things happen in 0.0?
Rajon Kelper	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:03:00 - [5] another BoB thread? even BoB's getting tired of it, lol. --------------------------------------------------- "The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving."
Toksin	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:13:00 - [6] BoB's victores are the only ones posted on the forums. Yes, but this does not mean that other alliances aren't achieving victories of equal, or even greater, power. It simply means that they know what they're doing, and feel no need to project to others that they're making progress, because they know that, and their enemies know that, and that's all that matters. --------------- My views do not reflect the views of my corp, or my own views.
Randay	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:18:00 - [7] stupid alts. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!"
Light Darkness	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:26:00 - [8] Hmmmm... History: "old" CA was big = history "old" SA was big = history Fountain was big = history Now: Red Alliance isnt so strong anymore G / IRON / Trust merged BoB is strong atm Future: We have to look and the future is open for all. So no fear and enjoy the future in EvE.... Regards /LD -V-President -V-Fleet Command home.foni.net/~markusheinen/president.jpg[/img] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:46:00 - [9] Edited by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol on 11/04/2006 03:46:22 Originally by: Sales Merchant Fix for example, ran around poking other alliances with sticks under the protection of BOB. They smacked so hard on the forums you would think they had all the spoons, and this this all because they knew BOB had their back. Proof or retract the statement. Caldari - Tier 3 BS
twit brent	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:50:00 - [10] Lots of people love to talk about what they know nothing about.
Clementina	Posted - 2006.04.11 03:52:00 - [11] Mains who fight in game scarcely know the true history of what they are doing. Can alts posting on forums achieve greater enlightenment? I throught not.
Senator Chink	Posted - 2006.04.11 04:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Light Darkness Now: Red Alliance isnt so strong anymore G / IRON / Trust merged I Think your find your info is flawed on that, G/TRUST/FATE All merged into the Alliance Dusk and Dawn as I know IRON wasnt invited...
Nebuli	Posted - 2006.04.11 04:22:00 - [13] Erm yeah BOB are the only ones fighting, looks at the EVE map hmmm how come its changed so much in the last few months if no ones fighting, wierd Not all wars/fights/battles are heavily spammed on the forums you know....... CEO - Art of War
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2006.04.11 04:38:00 - [14] i think its safe to say that this persons view is heavily based on the things that he reads from the forums and not actual events. Caldari - Tier 3 BS
Sickbitch	Posted - 2006.04.11 04:45:00 - [15] ascn with 9 outpost is nothing to sneeze at
Cringeley	Posted - 2006.04.11 05:18:00 - [16] It seems that only people who aren't involved need to ask questions like "what is the future of 0.0 space?", perhaps because every [player] who is involved thinks the answer is "total subjugation by [player]". -------------------------------------------- Thrice is he armed who has his quarrel just, But four times he who gets his blow in fust.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2006.04.11 05:20:00 - [17] Yeah, other alliances aren't as ahem.. vocal with their battles. :) --- Just a stranger on the bus, tryin to make his way home
The End	Posted - 2006.04.11 05:21:00 - [18] too many inexpeirenced carebears making Topics... getting pretty old... ahh i miss the old days
djNME	Posted - 2006.04.11 05:31:00 - [19] If you haven't gathered that these forums are only 90% what you think is being said and 10% of the truth.Information disinformation all in one little forum. So, jump in a sh....no no log into EVE and find out wtf is up.Most of what you said was total crap based on 2-3 facts that were so wrong they made you look like a 15 day trail account.On the 3rd day and ended upreading the forums? djNME
Rei Toai	Posted - 2006.04.11 05:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Sales Merchant ... but they are writing EVE history right now which is more than can be said for other alliances ... The people that make and have made this game fun, the sirmolles, the jade constantines and the ragnars of this community are too few now. Tbh - these two sentences are the important ones in your post ... yeah, the ol' GNW days have vanished a long time ago ... i wasn't here when it all happened, but there was more RP content - the war had other reasons than fighting for terretory and resources, it was afaik more an ideological war ... but to say - there's no history happening is wrong, cause no one writes about it doesn't mean it's not happening. it happens all the days - but you won't find a page long announcement for certain events where the how and why are explained ... you have to search for certain informationsources ... look at the mapthread ... here you can find a bit of information ... look at the alliancechart - here you find another bit ... search this alliance discussion board (and i hope reading dozens of flames and offtopic stuff doesn't bore you ) and you'll find some nice information.. tbh - i wouldn't say that in the old days back everything was better - it has changed ... now not one or two persons/entities are writing the history - now it's up to those who data-mine and evaluate the informations ... /me thinks some historians are needed __________________________________ I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to talk about it I don't want to know.
Morpheus Dreadnor	Posted - 2006.04.11 06:36:00 - [21] bob bob bob.. u guys must really fear bob.. ye bob is biggest atm and can basicly do what they want to. but hey... they wont keep doing that. sooner or later bob will fall.. look in eve history... all the big falls.... bob is arogant and i hope all they gained out of this is the old enemies to gather to actually stand up and face bob and give em the fight they beg so hard to get... bob isent all :) eve is.
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.04.11 06:45:00 - [22] right, wtf is with bob threads, stop teh spammage.
NAFnist	Posted - 2006.04.11 07:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Nebuli Erm yeah BOB are the only ones fighting, looks at the EVE map hmmm how come its changed so much in the last few months if no ones fighting, wierd Not all wars/fights/battles are heavily spammed on the forums you know....... exactly
Spacehooka	Posted - 2006.04.11 08:27:00 - [24] More like every other alliance isn't a clot of nerds that play 24/7 and farm complexes most of the time, turning them into walking purses that can afford loosing 20 HACs an evening.
AvanCade	Posted - 2006.04.11 08:36:00 - [25] Lame Alts ftl
Rednaxela Nilkcam	Posted - 2006.04.11 08:59:00 - [26] Can anybody else sense a click incoming ?!
Midnight Rages	Posted - 2006.04.11 09:02:00 - [27] IBTL. WOOT!!
Fred0	Posted - 2006.04.11 09:07:00 - [28] Edited by: Fred0 on 11/04/2006 09:14:29 EDIT: There's more content and drama than ever in 0.0. It's just become abit unaccesible to alts since you've ruined these forums. ---
Kaiser	Posted - 2006.04.11 09:23:00 - [29] Before BoB, there was FA and CA. Both very strong and aggressive (FA was controlling directly Fountain, Delve, Querios and Period Basis in the old times). CA was almost fighting everyone else and controlling huge space as well. After BoB will get bored and disbands (it's sad but in eve it is like that: all alliances die cause they get bored of controlling territory) there will be some other big alliances taking their place and so on. The recent takeover of TRUST outpost is fun? I honestly can't see how sitting 9 days in a damn laggy system watching bubbles or shooting POS afk is fun. People talk about content and all by reading the forum, but are missing the FUN. It is fun reading in the forum how a 36POS system is taken by BoB/ASCN/5, but is it fun actually doing it? None is adding big content to 0.0 cause simply they find other things more enjoyable. BoB declares war to everyone cause they are bored and no alliance survives boredom.
Hayabusa Fury	Posted - 2006.04.11 09:32:00 - [30] Edited by: Hayabusa Fury on 11/04/2006 09:32:55 I have not been in Eve that long(6 months-ish). BoB has not affected my gameplay, not once. I see that they are big, rich, and a force to be reckoned with. In the 0.0 space I fly in, I haven't encountered them much. So until I see BoB crossing my space and setting up shop, I won't lose sleep over the "BoB is coming to pwn all" hype. BoB is shaking up the political landscape in an unprecidented way. I have tremendous respect for that. It sounds like a lot of fun on the side of the map, but the universe is too large at the moment and I see more pressing enemies on my horizon. Good luck on sieging the universe BoB. There is over 1 billion people in China. So, if you are 1 in a million, there is 1000 guys just like you!
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.04.11 09:50:00 - [31] Edited by: DB Preacher on 11/04/2006 09:50:51 Originally by: Kaiser The recent takeover of TRUST outpost is fun? I honestly can't see how sitting 9 days in a damn laggy system watching bubbles or shooting POS afk is fun. That's why you fail. I find it incredibly good fun to destroy stuff, especially when it leads to the north ripping itself apart and putting itself together again. How can you say that isn't fun. And just ask anyone about my desire to camp people into stations for days on end :p Means to an end dude, means to an end. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
IamBen	Posted - 2006.04.11 10:03:00 - [32] Not everyone flames about what they are doing on the forums. MCorp/Shinra -V- and several Chimp corps have been involved in a war vs RA for an entire year. The Great Eastern war.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.04.11 10:07:00 - [33] Originally by: IamBen Not everyone flames about what they are doing on the forums. MCorp/Shinra -V- and several Chimp corps have been involved in a war vs RA for an entire year. The Great Eastern war. Flame more, it makes it interesting ;) Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.04.11 10:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Hayabusa Fury Edited by: Hayabusa Fury on 11/04/2006 09:32:55 I have not been in Eve that long(6 months-ish). BoB has not affected my gameplay, not once. I see that they are big, rich, and a force to be reckoned with. In the 0.0 space I fly in, I haven't encountered them much. So until I see BoB crossing my space and setting up shop, I won't lose sleep over the "BoB is coming to pwn all" hype. BoB is shaking up the political landscape in an unprecidented way. I have tremendous respect for that. It sounds like a lot of fun on the side of the map, but the universe is too large at the moment and I see more pressing enemies on my horizon. Good luck on sieging the universe BoB. Note to self, start up a V raid. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.04.11 10:48:00 - [35] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 11/04/2006 10:54:06 I don't know where you have been in the last months, but other alliances do something. North, south, south east, there are wars running for months already with fighting every day. If you don't read daily news about the RA and friends vs. LV,V,CHIMP,KOS war in the south-east, it doesn't mean that it isn't happening. It is just a lot of work over a long time imho due to the nature of RA ( They've got a strong will to keep their alliance alive and a lot of stamina, not many industrials leaving the alliance, because they can't stand the heat. ) So you can't just go in and after a few lost big battles, they say: 'Oh, noes, we disband !' And we can say: 'Won, next target !' They've lost region after region and probably almost their whole capital fleet and they still don't give up. If you take a station from them they try to get it back as soon as possible. So there are still things going on besides what BoB does. P.S.: Btw. from an out-of-character view I think all pvp alliances are on the same side, also BoB. BoB are definitely primarily a pvp alliance. Even if they have a strong industrial side, they'll use it to bring war to 0.0. So even if we get player empires in 0.0, 0.0 won't become a peaceful place. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Silinary	Posted - 2006.04.11 11:05:00 - [36] Originally by: Kaiser Before BoB, there was FA and CA. Both very strong and aggressive (FA was controlling directly Fountain, Delve, Querios and Period Basis in the old times). CA was almost fighting everyone else and controlling huge space as well. Not entirely Accurate ... SA was around at the same time and pounding on CA with FA. Delve, Querious, and Period basis, before the smuggler gates were CFS territories. After the gates, there was a brief CFS/FA war where diplomacy saw the regions in control of the CFS, but stations controlled by FA. That led to other things which led to more things and eventually the forming of FIX. But that, is a whole differetn chapter in history No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.04.11 11:07:00 - [37] that would be goonfleet (who it seems are destined to ebcome more involved in the bOB saga) we need the 0.0 alliacnes recruiting more empire based corps into their fold to really up the anti.
Kaiser	Posted - 2006.04.11 13:27:00 - [38] Originally by: Silinary Originally by: Kaiser Before BoB, there was FA and CA. Both very strong and aggressive (FA was controlling directly Fountain, Delve, Querios and Period Basis in the old times). CA was almost fighting everyone else and controlling huge space as well. Not entirely Accurate ... SA was around at the same time and pounding on CA with FA. Delve, Querious, and Period basis, before the smuggler gates were CFS territories. After the gates, there was a brief CFS/FA war where diplomacy saw the regions in control of the CFS, but stations controlled by FA. That led to other things which led to more things and eventually the forming of FIX. But that, is a whole differetn chapter in history well, the intent was to say that there have been always huge strong alliances, and even aggressive ones; not for an accurate history of that time . yeah, i forgot the old SA and that is a shame.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.04.11 13:38:00 - [39] The next few months of Eve will see many a drama played out in 0.0. It had reached a point of almost stagnation (apart from RA vs LV + friends) mainly because you had the BoB power block and that power block had become so powerful that nothing could stand against it. Thankfully that power block fractured and that truely was a gift as it opened the door to 0.0 becoming a war zone again. There will be many things happening over the next few months as opposed to a complete standstill and that can only be good for the game. Has BoB reached the peak of their power and become the most powerful single entity in the history of the game, yes. Will this always be the way until the servers are switched off, I really doubt it. Not because of any failing on BoBs part but I doubt this is the ragnorok of the Eve universe. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Aliksr	Posted - 2006.04.11 19:48:00 - [40] The power vacuum and threat of BoB in the north has sent everyone scrambling for friends. In the last 4 days we've seen OSS Alliance created G + friends becomes D2 IRON + friends becomes NFC 5 disbands and becomes E.R.A. Fate, E-R, Trust have all taken sides and joined pvp alliances KIA Corp announced it was no longer a mercenary corp and will i suppose join one of the above sooner rather than later. So as for the future of 0.0? Things will remain unstable and change quickly until we reach a power balance again. Power balance means lots of fun fleet fights but not much changes on the map. Believe it or not BoB does not have enough pilots to challenge anyone and everyone like CA did. They don't want to steamroller everyone. They don't want to be able to waltz into any conquerable region and easily take the stations. They don't want to waltz into any NPC region and watch everyone dock and wait for off-hours to launch small attacks. They just want to make a big splash on the forums.
Hast	Posted - 2006.04.11 19:50:00 - [41] Originally by: IamBen Not everyone flames about what they are doing on the forums. MCorp/Shinra -V- and several Chimp corps have been involved in a war vs RA for an entire year. The Great Easter war. Found any easter eggs yet? I cheat in poker
Hast	Posted - 2006.04.11 20:02:00 - [42] Well, to be fair. 0.0 the last year has been in a very slow and boring state if you ask my opinion. not enough entities have rolled over and died. For a while here it looks like (I think it was Oveur who said it) that ccp's vision of smaller more tightknit alliances was coming true. gone were the days of alliances of 2-3000 people and enter the smaller alliances. People dont need more then one constellation anyways right? Wrong, most constellations in 0.0 have nothing worthwhile. its mostly one system here and one system there that have ore that is worthwhile moving after. If you want to build a real empire, then getting a band of npc'ers together wont help. You will need to break out the old modulated strip miner II's It looked for a second like the universe would get shaken up but I'm afraid that the north might be going back to just being a superblob again, with more and more corps joining D2. But atleast we'll get a decent scrap now and I get to shoot woody But back to the topic at hand. No we are not the only entity in the universe making drama, it takes two to tango. Also it wouldnt be a space opera with just one part. But in the end people need their hate and if hating us keeps them ingame then good. I remember after CA fell when I was in stain alliance, I nearly quit the game in sheer boredom. Running after stabbed up inties day after day isnt really all that fun. I wasnt the only one that left. People need targets, people also need security. we just got to find the balance. SA had balance back in the days, due to the fact that once in a while someone else came and pounded CA abit aswell, so noone really got the upper hand. I think we'll all have months of fun yet to come no matter where you live. except in empire of course. Empire is a bit *** to be honest. especially concord I cheat in poker
slip66	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:19:00 - [43] Originally by: Light Darkness Hmmmm... History: "old" CA was big = history "old" SA was big = history Fountain was big = history Now: Red Alliance isnt so strong anymore G / IRON / Trust merged BoB is strong atm Future: We have to look and the future is open for all. So no fear and enjoy the future in EvE.... Regards /LD Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Jaddor	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:28:00 - [44] Christ, lets fan the BoB egos a bit so they can burn brighter. Its not that BoB is the only alliance doing anything, its that they are forum *****s who want you all to know how great they are and what they are doing. Real men don't need to brag.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:48:00 - [45] Plenty of alliances are doing things, it's just that when BoB does something they make damn sure everyone knows it. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Xantina	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:11:00 - [46] Originally by: Sales Merchant Fix for example, ran around poking other alliances with sticks under the protection of BOB. They smacked so hard on the forums you would think they had all the spoons, and this this all because they knew BOB had their back. But now they find themselves in a very lonely place. You sound like someone from an alliance that didn't know when to cash in their chips and walk away from the gambling table :) I hardly saw ANY fix post on this issue, let alone "smack hard" ? I think you're looking in the wrong alliance for smacktalkers.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:59:00 - [47] More threads about us, please, and in particular, more threads about me. Thanks in advance. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Hast except in empire of course. Empire is a bit * to be honest. especially concord Concord is funy and interesting. You should try to play with them too. ADRENALINE RUSH DEAD or ALIVE we allways have some fun. DO YOU??**
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:21:00 - [49] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Hast except in empire of course. Empire is a bit *** to be honest. especially concord Concord is funy and interesting. You should try to play with them too. ADRENALINE RUSH As can be seen on bob killboard :P However i know you were after uber concord scramblers... But i suggest you to use ship scanner first :P Die, die, die.
No1 Target	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:24:00 - [50] Just my opinion... but I'll give it. BoB is a large force in this game... and mostly because of things like this post. Belief is the first thing into overcoming an odd... and if you can be made to believe that it is impossible... then you've already lost. Problems with people that stand against them is with the "soloist" additude. Alliances, Corps, and individuals don't seem to want to work together to overcome these odds. So BoB has the "teamwork" and grows more everyday because you make everyone believe "it's the corp to be with"... because no-one else can join together in a fight against them. BoB dies just as easily as anyone else on the map. In my opinion... BoB will either finally find a force to stand against them and be pushed back... or they will grow beyond their bounds and a internal war will rip them apart. No-one in this game will ever control the whole 0.0 map... Your a dreamer if you ever think that in the remote part possible, because before you've run outta people to fight against... you'll most likely end up fighting with yourself. Good luck on that venture. Laterz, Target

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