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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 11/04/2006 23:46:37
 Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Originally by: LeKjart
Frankly I don't understand your point, but then again, I'm absurdedly stuck in some spurious starry-eyed naivete.
Don't blame me for your lack of clarity. Apology accepted. Oh, and please work on your customer service skills.
you got some sirious issues tbh. Their is many resons to not go for the south korean market compared to the chinese today, some im aware of some that prolly CCP has. Whats the big problem? you got something against the chinese market? or somehow nothing but the south korean is good enough?
Whatever your problem is try to keep it to yourself, unless you wanna point it out. And what does the chinese market has to do with LeKjart and costumer skills?
edit;PS: it actually is better to go for the chinese market today compared to the south korean one comparing profit for one.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:49:00 -
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Is it?
Bear in mind, for example, that timecards with hours on are popular in the Chinese market rather than direct subscriptions, and if you look at the averages on say WoW, you see that average Chinese player pays less, so you need more "subscriptions".
*shrugs*
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.11 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 11/04/2006 23:59:47
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Is it?
Bear in mind, for example, that timecards with hours on are popular in the Chinese market rather than direct subscriptions, and if you look at the averages on say WoW, you see that average Chinese player pays less, so you need more "subscriptions".
*shrugs*
actually there is many "things" you forget. One korean market is flooded and is going down and in overall their market is going down.
Also chinese market is going way up that country is getting bigger and bigger by the minute as an economy. Also the gaming market is growing and will most likely be alot bigger.
Another thing is that the competition is less and from the looks of it Iceland and CCP got very good relations with chinese market and authorities. As Sweden and rest of skandinavia got.
I bet they get alot bigger player base and in return cash on the chinese market then the korean one. Their is alot of more reasons and better ones and the ones I put forward in more detailed description.
I read before alot about the chinese market with gaming and rest of industry and consumers. I remember alot of articles etc. I bet you can find them if you have a look.
PS: Also remember Microsoft and Sony avoiding the chinese market due to pirating, but now they are having a change of heart. Heck think china is the market with biggest potential ATM in the world, india will soon follow aswell as eastern europe.
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2006.04.12 00:00:00 -
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It will be interesting to see what happens with the in game politics. In eve now we're mostly western players who have grown up with western ideas and opinions. Most alliances and corps in eve are democracies or some attempt at them. We have strong opinions on some issues and eastern players have strong opinions on other issues. WeÆll lead groups in different ways, weÆll follow in different ways, weÆll plot and scheme in different ways.
With two separate but identical worlds, only inhabited by two socially different peoples one must wonder will they forum alliances and grab power like we have? Or will they expose an entirely different way of doing so?
I believe as humans we all contain the same basic desires and ambitions, only different artificial restrictions imposed by culture, Family and government that tend to be loosened online.
The next year will bring much for Eve, I only wish I could read mandarin so I could read the flame wars, something tells me with 1.5 billion people they will need more than [23] forum warriors.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2006.04.12 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Saeris Tal''Urduar on 12/04/2006 00:51:05
Okay so tell us, how are they taking to the game?
What kind of feed back have you gotten?
Is it having the same 'wow...this is ******* amazing' effect as it did on us?
Are you getting the impression that some may have a hard time transitioning from a charater avatar game to a "you are a ship" kind of avatar game?
Are they enjoying it as much as we do, and are they anxious for release?
Ohh and please dont stay gone too long, we'll miss you. 
And congrats TomB!  (hell has been set loose)
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Rorix Whitecloud
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Posted - 2006.04.12 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: CmdrRat
It will be interesting to see what happens with the in game politics. In eve now we're mostly western players who have grown up with western ideas and opinions. Most alliances and corps in eve are democracies or some attempt at them. We have strong opinions on some issues and eastern players have strong opinions on other issues. WeÆll lead groups in different ways, weÆll follow in different ways, weÆll plot and scheme in different ways.
With two separate but identical worlds, only inhabited by two socially different peoples one must wonder will they forum alliances and grab power like we have? Or will they expose an entirely different way of doing so?
I believe as humans we all contain the same basic desires and ambitions, only different artificial restrictions imposed by culture, Family and government that tend to be loosened online.
The next year will bring much for Eve, I only wish I could read mandarin so I could read the flame wars, something tells me with 1.5 billion people they will need more than [23] forum warriors.
Well, the people that play are usually college aged kids, since gaming in china i think is seen as a childish thing to do... (even tho in EVE i find that it probably has the oldest player base out of any MMORPG that i've seen...) The college aged people in China still do have fairly liberal/democratic ideals, its just that the speach is fairly restricted. Given the opportunity in EVE, i think they will (or attempt) develope fairly democratic systems of Alliances.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.12 01:43:00 -
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Ok, So CP has invested a good amount into this.
What happens if it goes all pear-shaped. Say the kooky communists pass a law saying that games with spaceships are now verbotin or some other silly thing that causes the project to fail and fail horribly. Seeing as how you spent a good deal of money made from the western shard on the eastern shard, would that cause severe disruption?
IE If Serenity Fails, is the expenditure enough to drag Tranquility (by virtue of making CCP insolvent) down with it? Even if theres leeway in the budget, would a failure in the Chinese market delay upgrades to Tranquility?
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.04.12 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
Ok, So CP has invested a good amount into this.
What happens if it goes all pear-shaped. Say the kooky communists pass a law saying that games with spaceships are now verbotin or some other silly thing that causes the project to fail and fail horribly. Seeing as how you spent a good deal of money made from the western shard on the eastern shard, would that cause severe disruption?
IE If Serenity Fails, is the expenditure enough to drag Tranquility (by virtue of making CCP insolvent) down with it? Even if theres leeway in the budget, would a failure in the Chinese market delay upgrades to Tranquility?
kooky communists *sigh*.
To the rest of what you said I think everyone can agree that a scenario like that can't happen.
About "if it fails" scenario, they take risks like all companies just as when they made EVE Online to begin with. WHat "can happen" is that they insure EVE Online will live for many, many years to come with even bigger profit, market and resourses to make the game better and up to date.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.04.12 02:26:00 -
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People would have thought that limiting PVP time was a scenario that "can't happen" before the Chinese Communist Party up and did it.
Kooky communism might be understating the pure daftness of the ideology, but it is a nice way of expressing that the country is still run by dictum without any form of forcefull representative structure.
So saying it CAN''T happen amounts to oh so much wishfull thinking, humor me, what happens if it does.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Soratah
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:18:00 -
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Actually the laws and regulations involving how much time people are allowed to play the computer online actually only refers to internet cafes. I believe this law passed was actually to prevent certain health issues created by long internet play. Not really for a restriction on information, considering it only really applies to net cafes and gamers.
That being said, please dont assume that Chinese people live any different to the rest of the western community. There are divisions between the richer cities and the south. But many people here are just trying to live a life, drink tea, play games, watch movies.. etc.
As for how Chinese people play? Just the same as anyone else, I highly doubt they'll make "Communist" corporations and try to rule the universe. Mostly will just be groups of men and women getting together as friends just like any other corp in Eve. However it'll be slightly different because you'll probably know a lot of people in your corp personally.
Timecards are used instead of subscriptions here because a great spectrum of people may choose to play Eve or any other MMORPG this will merely allow many potential players to BE players without having to use credit card. One cultural difference here. Chinese like to use cash not plastic. Considering CCP will address this problem they're likely to see quite a large playerbase join and consistantly buy cards to keep the money coming in. However I hope CCP plan to place their servers here in China or somewhere near here as to get to Europe our net connections have to either use satellites or go through Russia (an area with not to good internet infrastructure) this will cause a lot of latency issues.
One question though, will the Chinese Eve be open to players in China and Taiwan?
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
..kooky communists..
kooky communists *sigh*.
Yeah, I'm normally PC and all too, but that's actually perfectly acceptable when describing Chinese politics. 
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Idara
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Posted - 2006.04.12 03:44:00 -
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I don't care a single bit that everyone's harpin' about you "betraying" the dream of EVE. It's not like we can play on the China cluster, and it's not like TQ can take the extra subscribers, people are already *****ing about the "ZOMG LAG" when it's just the western world playing the server.
Extra money for CCP is a good thing, more money means more EVE!
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Esrevatem Dlareme
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Posted - 2006.04.12 04:08:00 -
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Oh crap...TomB is gonna be in charge over here now? 
Damn, we should've been nicer to him...
/me looks for his anti-nerf-bat armor...
Honestly tho, I think this is a good move, and I wish CCP as a whole luck with it, because I know they're not concerned about money first, unlike other development companies out there...
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Apertotes
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Posted - 2006.04.12 07:28:00 -
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i hope when you finally launch the game put at least 3 or 4 cluster only for kisogo. dont want all those caldari achura stuck on the very first day 
on the other hand, will the localization be in spanish too? or only german, french and russian?
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.04.12 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Karazaan
Originally by: Hoshi
Hehe see you used joshuas map
http://games.sina.com.cn/o/i/2006-03-28/160695545.shtml
Which bring me to the question:
I though their online players did'nt have the right to kill each other..?
So I guess I'm wrong and they can PVP all they want...
There was a law proposal, afaik, from one of the more... morally protective... ministers (?) that people under the age of 13 were not to be allowed to agressively compete against other (real life) persons because it bred an agressive behaviour.
The law proposal (if it even made it to vote) was turned down.
So. No, you're free to shoot other people in games online in China, too.
Arkanor > Gallente missileboat might be cool.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.04.12 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Blog
I will personally move to Shanghai for a while, to monitor the launch and the first critical months of Serenity, passing the torch of Lead Game Designer for EVE to TomB, who I am sure will wield it masterfully.
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JaguarOne
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Posted - 2006.04.12 10:48:00 -
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sweet. does the whole deal involve doubling the dev team or will it be the same dev team for both clusters?
in any case, the serenity cluster possibly means less farmers for tranquility in the future. Is will the serenity cluster be open for the rest of the asian countries?
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2006.04.12 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: "dev blog"
..I will personally move to Shanghai for a while, to monitor the launch and the first critical months of Serenity, passing the torch of Lead Game Designer for EVE to TomB
OMG hide your ravens! Tomb as the torch!!!!
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.04.12 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
People would have thought that limiting PVP time was a scenario that "can't happen" before the Chinese Communist Party up and did it.
Kooky communism might be understating the pure daftness of the ideology, but it is a nice way of expressing that the country is still run by dictum without any form of forcefull representative structure.
So saying it CAN''T happen amounts to oh so much wishfull thinking, humor me, what happens if it does.
Actually, only under 18's are suject to the playtime restriction. And I understand from what CCP have said that the Chinese company involved is putting up the funds.
My scepticism comes from the crushing failure which was Shadowbane Asia.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
dazedandconfused
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Posted - 2006.04.12 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville
Thou shalt not troll the Dev Team. Moderated. ~kieron
Owned :P
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Serendipity007
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Posted - 2006.04.12 13:55:00 -
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A most interesting experiment.
It will be facinating to see 1000's of noobs be introduced into a completely empty EvE cluster. Will they go for Battleships right off, or will they go for specalized frigates? What kind of alliances will they form, and how they will shape the China EvE map. It will take a year or more for those people to train the skills needed to do big things such as fly Capitol Ships and such, but it will be a wild ride in the mean time.
Will there be any reporting from EvE China? I for one would love to know any major events like the first Alliance created or the first major battle.
Will there be any character transfer service offered from TQ to Serenity? Seeding the new cluster with some older characters wouldn't be a bad thing, especially T2 Production characters.
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Khaulu Tarn
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Posted - 2006.04.12 15:16:00 -
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So... this space-based game is moving into the Chinese market on a server shard called "Serenity" eh?
Please tell me I'm not alone in having the "Firefly" theme playing in my head...?
All joking aside, this is seriously interesting news to me. It'll be interesting to see what kind of differences (if any) there are between the playing style and player culture on the two servers....
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Haks'he Lirky
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Posted - 2006.04.12 17:48:00 -
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Great news and it will be wonderfull to follow EVE's progress on a new server.
And if it's possible to suggest something :P Then it would seem very prudent to re-seed the china universe and generate new names for some systems and locations, this does of course not make sense for the roleplay aspect, however if you dream of connecting the two servers in some way in the future then it would just be silly that the two maps are completely the same.
There would be more problems if it ever came to that all of them rolaplay-backstory related, this one however would be the greatest obstacle in my view.
anyways, good luck in your new job LeKjart. |
Lucas Garin
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Posted - 2006.04.12 18:04:00 -
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I don't know about anyone else. But I find this whole thing fascinating. The cluster in China has to be the way it is. I understand CCP's reasons and I would agree with them. This is not a normal case of sharding and was not done for the normal reasons companies usually shard servers. To me, EVE is still one world. TQ is still a marvel of gaming, and the China cluster is not going to take away from that. I would assume that Serenity will be for the Chinese only, so in that respect there is still only one game world for the rest of us to play in.
I would love to look in on Serenity after about a year and see what has evolved there. And it would be an exciting thing if in the future the two clusters could meet as LeKjart said, as equals.
The only thing I think would be even cooler is if Serenity would have had four different races in a different part of the galaxy from those on Tranquility so that if they ever met up it would truly be like two different worlds meeting.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.04.12 18:09:00 -
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do any of ccp feel they are compromising their morals by dealing with a non democratic country, which constantly abuses the fundemental human rights most of us enjoy?
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2006.04.12 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Summersnow on 12/04/2006 18:36:35
I read about google being restricted by the chineese goverment.
I see a post saying the two servers share the same codebase.
I can't help but wonder how much influence the chineese govt, or rather how much interference, players can expect to have to endure in order for you to make a buck there.
As an example, google is not allowed to direct searches about "democracy". The corp features player votes to accomplish several tasks, i.e. that game includes democracy in action. At what point does the chineese govt come in and say, democracy bad, remove this feature or shut the game down and at that point does the feature not get removed on both servers, to keep the codebase identical?
For that matterm will you need to include an in game censor on the in game web browser or disable it in both versions?
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Tresh Keen
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Posted - 2006.04.12 19:06:00 -
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Gratz to the investment in China - they are crazy online gamers and i hope EvE will be successfull there. I do understand the devlopment for the unicode, but why have two code bases? And why does they have d diffrent name? Do they play a diffrent Version of EvE - in the view of functions? Or is the main diffence only the language?
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.04.12 20:41:00 -
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For the last time, please leave the political discussion off of the EVE forums. If you feel the need to inflict your political viewpoints on others, do so on one of the many other forums out there. This is a forum for the discussion of EVE Online, not the Chinese Government, communism, capitalism, etc.
Now that's out of the way, Gierling, if the new server fails, we do have a fall back. Remember, Optic is footing most of the bill and have paid us a license fee. Sure, we would take a financial hit, but nothing that would result in Tranquility shutting down.
Apertotes, I believe the Dev Team is going to focus on the larger lingual communities first, then work through the list. I would guess Spanish is in that list somewhere.
JaguarOne, there will not be 2 'Dev Teams', just the crew in Iceland. As LeKjart stated in the blog, the game code is going to be used for both servers, there won't be parallel development across the 2 servers.
Khaulu Tarn, think about this: Tranquility and Serenity are synomyms for Peace. The Firefly reference is simply a serendipitous coincedence.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.04.12 21:35:00 -
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Good luck
Just out of curiosity, have you made a final decision as to whether you will allow selling and buying ingame items for rl money on the chinese server? (I hope I can ask this without starting a flamefest  )
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MachZERO
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Posted - 2006.04.12 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Blog
I will personally move to Shanghai for a while, to monitor the launch and the first critical months of Serenity, passing the torch of Lead Game Designer for EVE to TomB, who I am sure will wield it masterfully.
WE'RE ALL D00MMMMEDDDDDDD!!1111
hehehe
My thoughts exactly...
Stand by for some SERIOUS nerfage... LOL 
Grats on the new server tho. |
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