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HairyGary	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:03:00 - [31] Edited by: HairyGary on 12/04/2006 14:04:20 Quote: someone bought those alts kestrels and someone has the same IP as the trials. Not necessarily. As a for-instance, I use Comcast as my ISP. Comcast associates your IP with the MAC address of whatever is plugged into the modem. I also own a router - plain old, Linksys ethernet router. My router has MAC cloning. I can get an entirely new IP with a few clicks. It won't even be on the same subnet. Probably far easier to track the transactions within Eve, really. Oh, looks like that was noted later in the thread.
Xascor	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:06:00 - [32] Tracing the money might work for someone that really doesn't know what they are doing. Problem is that most veterans can make 3-6 million in an hour or 2 just doing the storyline and selling the implants on all 3 toons on the trial account. That's enough capital to finance a suicide alt as long as it gets some decent loot during it's lifetime. The rest can easily be passed back and forth between trial accounts. Not to mention other ways (I won't mention) that are VERY easy ways to give an alt money from your main account that aren't traceable. IP Banning leads to innocent players accounts getting banned. Either restrict the accounts activities more or place them on a different server. -------------------------------------------------- Insomnia is nothing to lose sleep over.
Valium Summer	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:11:00 - [33] PHEAR THE ELITE 14 DAY PLAYER. I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round.
Karl Mattar	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:14:00 - [34] Umm, you can't tank a trial player long enough for your drones to destroy him? --- Karl Mattar Commander, CNS Rock Hound CAIN, Quartermaster Division
Thorndin MacMorrin	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Seven Sins I believe the person can be traced very quickly with his ip. Just ban the individuals. No point in ruining it for others that want to enjoy or experience the game. I have petitioned, however I could only provide limited information (text limited to x amount!) Im all for helping new people (ask anyone) but when someone abuses the trial account program such as this, they do need to be banned or punished. Unfortunatly your belief is based on 20th century technology. While I'm not for suicide newb gank squads, I can play eve on my lap top, and walk from cafe to cafe, and get a new ip after evey new cup of hot chocolate. Now that wireless routers are common place (and the skill to set one up securely is not) it is hard to track anyone via an ip. Tracking folks down via a mac address is also not sure, as it can still be spoofed with a little bit of work.
Seven Sins	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Leilani Solaris There's nothing in the EULA which says you can't do it. so why should people be banned for it. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Um, there is actually. Its something about abusing the game mechanics. An old corp 'Zombie' once got themselves banned because they camped down Yulai. Probably before your time darling. They were using 1 battleship to kill with another couple boosting it. They did this at every gate. At the time concord and sentry guns were not enough to stop this act. Hence they found a way around the game mechanics, had fun and got themselves a ban. Oh and when you have your river, I will gladly sail down it
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:24:00 - [37] Originally by: HippoKing yes, but someone bought them kestrels and logged in from the same IP... I see. All is now clear. Trace money, track the IP use. Kill the main account. -------------- I'm just bitter
Leilani Solaris	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Seven Sins Originally by: Leilani Solaris There's nothing in the EULA which says you can't do it. so why should people be banned for it. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Um, there is actually. Its something about abusing the game mechanics. An old corp 'Zombie' once got themselves banned because they camped down Yulai. Probably before your time darling. They were using 1 battleship to kill with another couple boosting it. They did this at every gate. At the time concord and sentry guns were not enough to stop this act. Hence they found a way around the game mechanics, had fun and got themselves a ban. Oh and when you have your river, I will gladly sail down it That's completely different, that's abusing a game mechanic and resisting death in secure space, also, they were told to stop doing it by the devs and refused to, hence they got the ban. However, this way they are still losing their ships and not abusing a game mechanic in any way at all. Just making use of free trials. And i do hope you're not suggesting that i might be a noob, i may not have been playing since Beta but i've been around for quite a while. I haven't got a new sig yet :) http://triad.eve-killboard.net/
Zasra	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:18:00 - [39] Is recycling alts on your paid accounts against policy? If it isn't, whats the difference? That's like saying Ebay isk sales are bad, but then allowing time code sales for ISK. To me it seems that CCP is ok with $$$ for isk as long as they get their cut ;)
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:22:00 - [40] Quote: congratulations on being miserably wrong. someone bought those alts kestrels and someone has the same IP as the trials. someone with inteligence uses a proxy. if IP addresses were so great there would be no websites beeing defaced or hacked ,no trojans etc. any idiot can spoof an ip

Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:22:00 - [41] Tracing isk wont work. You guys should try creating a trial account and spending the 4-6 hours it takes to do the starting mission and your first story line. You easily have 2-3M isk with selling your rewards and with mission bonuses. (1+ implant) The best idea is locking the account once it goes below a certain negative security status. What that may be; would have to be decided with common sense. And should include a tutorial warning.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Zasra Is recycling alts on your paid accounts against policy? Yes it is. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Leilani Solaris Cry me a river Ok! You were my sun, you were my earth but you didnt know all the ways I loved you, no So you took a chance, made other plans But I betcha didnt think that they would come crashin down, no You dont have to say, What cha did I already know, I found out from HIM now theres just no chance with you and me there will never be dont it make you sad about it you told me you love me Why did you leave me all alone now you tell me you need me When you call me on the phone Girl I refuse you must have me confused with some other guy the bridges were burned now its your turn,To cry Cry me a river Cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river er er YA YA You know that they say somethings are better left Unsaid It wasnt like you only talked to him And you know it (Dont act like you dont know it) all of these things people told me keep messin with my head shoulda been honesty then you may not have thought it You dont have to say, What cha did I already know, I found out from HIM now theres just no chance with you and me there will never be done it make you sad about it you told me you love me Why did you leave me all alone (all alone) now you tell me you need me When you call me on the phone ( call me on the phone) Girl I refuse you must have me confused with some other guy (not like them baby) the bridges were burned now its your turn to cry So Cry me a river Cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river er er YA YA Oh The damage is done So i guess i be leavin Oh The damage is done So i guess i be leavin Oh The damage is done So i guess i be leavin You dont have to say, What cha did I already know, I found out from HIM now theres just no chance with you and me there will never be dont it make you sad about it So Cry me a river Cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river........... Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:51:00 - [44] You cant connect a trial and a main account by IP, like it is said IPs are dynamic for most providers and thus many people could get the IP of someone who abused the system, if they attended the same Uni for example, yes the chance is small but still possible. You cant ban the people who buy the alts the equipment either, what if im in New Caldari and some newb says "hi i just started the game could you spare me some money/a frig", if i say sure and wire them a mill or something (which i wouldnt cause the lazy **s should make their own money), and if he turns out to be an old player griefing you think CCP are gonna ban me cause i provided them with the gear? i think not. Like someone else said stop trial accounts being able to use the account or stop them from activating agressive modules after their sec hits a certain rating. -Havo ------------------- DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh** "Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol
Ridek Cremmen	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:59:00 - [45] I would agree that the way to fix this is not banning since you will catch to many innocent people with it as well. Instead limit trial accounts to say 0.7 space and higher and do not allow locks on players. The character can still experience the game and now has a ton more to explore once he starts paying..
Severe McCald	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Saeris Tal'Urduar Tracing isk wont work. Wrong isk. Why are the trial accounts taking down miners. So main can scoop loot. That loot can be traced. Repeated trial suicides and a main getting the benefit = ban. Don't see why this is difficult? What if main uses cut out? Maybe a noob paid to collect loot and hand it over. It can still be traced, all the transactions are recorded. Sev I saw a squirrel today jumping from one tree to another, the branch it landed on snapped. So the squirrel was on this falling branch, clambering like mad, thinking it was doing something about it.'
aggiedog	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:12:00 - [47] Would it be possilbe to ban the harddrive? I know that another game that I play does this and it works fairly well. --------------------------------------------- Make Doomsday weapons available for frigates!
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:21:00 - [48] Edited by: Nyphur on 12/04/2006 18:22:46 Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: eLLioTT wave trial accounts should be deactivated at -0.1 sec pirating requires a full account? i know its unfair but cmon, suicide trial alts ftl Now thats a rubbish idea. The first thing I did when I undocked on my first day of eve was to try to take down the station. I shot a quafe billboard. Originally by: aggiedog Would it be possilbe to ban the harddrive? I know that another game that I play does this and it works fairly well. Easy to counter but there are plenty of ways to ban people. You can ban by MAC address, and it does work despite what people say. Plenty of things do it. You're never going to get 100% effective bans but it helps. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:25:00 - [49] post here if you don't know what you're talking about! As it has been explained me to me earlier in the thread (IE: a few posts down on page 1) Its a simple matter of tracking the account which gave the trial accounts the kestrals to do this with. Consquently it will be THAT account that is banned. No need to trace IP, compare login results etc. none of this techno mumbo jumbo needed at all. Just a simple database check (close thread kkthnks) -------------- I'm just bitter
blacknight9	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Valium Summer PHEAR THE ELITE 14 DAY PLAYER. I don't understand how a 14 day trial runner can beat the hell out of you guys who played it more then they did. In 2 weeks u just can't maximize all the skills needed to fly a better ship than kestrell. In my opinion miners should always keep an eye(see scanning issues), and having an escort pvp friend is a must.

Sensor Error	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:53:00 - [51] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Originally by: Seven Sins CCP, I call on you to stop this abuse! It is outside of the game mechanics and I believe this to be a bannable offence! I await to see how you will make it difficult to ban an account that only lasts 14 days before requiring a subscription yes, but someone bought them kestrels and logged in from the same IP... the whole IP banning thing is not a good idea... I've inheritted bans from games before because my ISP uses DHCP rather than statically assigning an address... And what about dial up users? I've been banned! What a shame, I'll just log off and log on again... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Now run along and play with your dolls...
Seven Sins	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Leilani Solaris Originally by: Seven Sins Originally by: Leilani Solaris There's nothing in the EULA which says you can't do it. so why should people be banned for it. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Um, there is actually. Its something about abusing the game mechanics. An old corp 'Zombie' once got themselves banned because they camped down Yulai. Probably before your time darling. They were using 1 battleship to kill with another couple boosting it. They did this at every gate. At the time concord and sentry guns were not enough to stop this act. Hence they found a way around the game mechanics, had fun and got themselves a ban. Oh and when you have your river, I will gladly sail down it That's completely different, that's abusing a game mechanic and resisting death in secure space, also, they were told to stop doing it by the devs and refused to, hence they got the ban. However, this way they are still losing their ships and not abusing a game mechanic in any way at all. Just making use of free trials. And i do hope you're not suggesting that i might be a noob, i may not have been playing since Beta but i've been around for quite a while. Correct, they ARE making use of free trials, but not as CCP intended. The free trial program is not there to create hollow characters to be abused and used by existing greifers. The free trial is as its name states a 'free trial'. Not a 'lets make alts and gank some noobs' idea. This is using trial accounts in a way that they were not intended for. Besides, this one in particular had approximately 8 characters in his 'squad' and it was definately 1 person. If ccp trace the 8 characters back to the main via isk transfers, this should be strong enough evidence to ban the main Now theres no need to get picky about definitions or wording Oh, and I didn't suggest you were a noob anywhere in the post. Its all factual Suprised it touched a nerve though! Seven
Moots	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:25:00 - [53] Quote: The purpose of trial accounts is for new guys to try out EVE, not old ones to abuse it. Correct!
Wizerud	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:31:00 - [54] I was under the impression that money cannot be sent from or received by a trial account.
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Wrangler The purpose of trial accounts is for new guys to try out EVE, not old ones to abuse it. No offense, but i don't think you play enough to see how those old players abuse them... Tell that to them, not the people posting here. It's easier done than said.
Tousaka Langley	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:37:00 - [56] Macrominers being killed? Good.
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Tousaka Langley Macrominers being killed? Good. people in mining bargers beeing killed who arent macro mining aswell i bet, there weak ,easy to kill with mining lasers worth a few mil.
Rikkard Strofeldt	Posted - 2006.04.12 22:41:00 - [58] The problem with the trial account is that people are too scared to do anything "naughty" with their main. I mean, geez, grow some balls, man up, and be evil with your main. Its not the end of the world. Manco Devils needs you
9854365	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:02:00 - [59] Ok how do you know its "trail " accts and not just alts? It is quite easy to make a kessie pilot ready to kill with 0 extra training.
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:06:00 - [60] Originally by: 9854365 Ok how do you know its "trail " accts and not just alts? It is quite easy to make a kessie pilot ready to kill with 0 extra training. i guess you dont but it probably is alot of the time. you can creat trial accounts quicker than you can delete chars on an account. maybe CCP should do it so any characters on trial accounts have [TRIAL] on the end of there name in space. its not like its impossible seeing as they can stop trial accounts learning certain skills it probably wouldnt be that hard.



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