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Seven Sins	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:08:00 - [1] Ok, I am all for stopping macro mining. I often see macro hunters flying through the belts. HOWEVER. People are using and abusing trial accounts for acts of piracy now. A single person will activate up to 5 trial accounts, jump in a Kessie (which they can fly with standard missile launchers right outta school) and take down miners just to claim the modules and grief. When the account reaches -1.9 it will go inactive. CCP, I call on you to stop this abuse! It is outside of the game mechanics and I believe this to be a bannable offence!
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:10:00 - [2] all fine wierchas 4tw
Leilani Solaris	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:10:00 - [3] I haven't got a new sig yet :) http://triad.eve-killboard.net/

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:40:00 - [4] Petition them. [Read the Rules!] - [Contact us]

Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Seven Sins CCP, I call on you to stop this abuse! It is outside of the game mechanics and I believe this to be a bannable offence! I await to see how you will make it difficult to ban an account that only lasts 14 days before requiring a subscription -------------- I'm just bitter
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Wrangler Petition them. listen to the man. you get an official warning for that first time. i'll let you guess about second Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Originally by: Seven Sins CCP, I call on you to stop this abuse! It is outside of the game mechanics and I believe this to be a bannable offence! I await to see how you will make it difficult to ban an account that only lasts 14 days before requiring a subscription yes, but someone bought them kestrels and logged in from the same IP... Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:44:00 - [8] The purpose of trial accounts is for new guys to try out EVE, not old ones to abuse it. [Read the Rules!] - [Contact us]

VinLieger	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Wrangler Petition them. Whats the point of pettitioning a trial account since if they are using it to grief without having to use thier main theres still no way to track it back to the main since you can pick a trial up anywhere. The only solution to trial abuse imo is for ccp to go back to handing out trials solely throught the buddy system therefore if someone does grief it can ba traced back to whoever sent them the trial. All this means is you need to be careful who you hand these out to. This could also be a good way of stamping out macroers cus we all know the main way they get in is through trials. If the only trial they could get was through a full account e-mailing them then all pettions pertaining to those trial accounts about macro mining could then be traced back to the original macro account which could then be banned.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:50:00 - [10] Originally by: VinLieger Originally by: Wrangler Petition them. Whats the point of pettitioning a trial account since if they are using it to grief without having to use thier main theres still no way to track it back to the main since you can pick a trial up anywhere. The only solution to trial abuse imo is for ccp to go back to handing out trials solely throught the buddy system therefore if someone does grief it can ba traced back to whoever sent them the trial. All this means is you need to be careful who you hand these out to. This could also be a good way of stamping out macroers cus we all know the main way they get in is through trials. If the only trial they could get was through a full account e-mailing them then all pettions pertaining to those trial accounts about macro mining could then be traced back to the original macro account which could then be banned. congratulations on being miserably wrong. someone bought those alts kestrels and someone has the same IP as the trials. as for making it buddy program only, if i asked for an eve trial on any major gaming forum on the internet i'd recieve 15 emails through in the next 24 hours from friendly people wanting to help. theyd be ****** off if you got hired as a GM Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron
eLLioTT wave	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:53:00 - [11] trial accounts should be deactivated at -0.1 sec pirating requires a full account? i know its unfair but cmon, suicide trial alts ftl also ban them from low sec. trial alt spys ftl
VinLieger	Posted - 2006.04.12 10:58:00 - [12] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: VinLieger Originally by: Wrangler Petition them. Whats the point of pettitioning a trial account since if they are using it to grief without having to use thier main theres still no way to track it back to the main since you can pick a trial up anywhere. The only solution to trial abuse imo is for ccp to go back to handing out trials solely throught the buddy system therefore if someone does grief it can ba traced back to whoever sent them the trial. All this means is you need to be careful who you hand these out to. This could also be a good way of stamping out macroers cus we all know the main way they get in is through trials. If the only trial they could get was through a full account e-mailing them then all pettions pertaining to those trial accounts about macro mining could then be traced back to the original macro account which could then be banned. congratulations on being miserably wrong. someone bought those alts kestrels and someone has the same IP as the trials. as for making it buddy program only, if i asked for an eve trial on any major gaming forum on the internet i'd recieve 15 emails through in the next 24 hours from friendly people wanting to help. theyd be **** off if you got hired as a GM I forgot about IP but i still stand by my idea that people who hand out the buddy e-mails should be held accountable if they are used for macroing and griefing. And yes i probably would be a ** GM but im angry atm cus of all the macroers so let me have my rant
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:00:00 - [13] Cant ban IP's. What about people that play from uni etc??
lofty29	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Deja Thoris Cant ban IP's. What about people that play from uni etc?? Or people with BT Broadband around london. My IP changes every time I re-connect. IP bans are becoming alot less effective than they used to be (Being banned from counterstrike servers then reconnecting 2 minutes later, however, is FTW ). --------------------------- Originally by: Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:04:00 - [15] As hippo already said, the isk for the ship and mods has to come from somewhere and this can be traced back to the main account.
Seven Sins	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:05:00 - [16] I believe the person can be traced very quickly with his ip. Just ban the individuals. No point in ruining it for others that want to enjoy or experience the game. I have petitioned, however I could only provide limited information (text limited to x amount!) Im all for helping new people (ask anyone) but when someone abuses the trial account program such as this, they do need to be banned or punished.
Shapeless	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:11:00 - [17] Seven..... It was i piloting that friggggggate!
Shapeless	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:12:00 - [18] now thats a sad lookin pirate
Chamelia Derell	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:14:00 - [19] People doing suicide runs can just create a new account even if they got banned and a restriction of security rating of -0.1 won't help either they do one hit then they can make a new one. I think the only thing to solve this issue about abuse of trial accounts is really to make a independent trial server. People will find a way to cheat, exploit and harass people abusing trial accounts for this purpose as long as they're allowed on the main server.
Seven Sins	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Chamelia Derell People doing suicide runs can just create a new account even if they got banned and a restriction of security rating of -0.1 won't help either they do one hit then they can make a new one. I think the only thing to solve this issue about abuse of trial accounts is really to make a independent trial server. People will find a way to cheat, exploit and harass people abusing trial accounts for this purpose as long as they're allowed on the main server. Now thats a good idea Perhaps Singularity? Then if the trial wants to go live... the main is activated on Tranquility when they have bought the account. Everyone wins. waves to Shapeless
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:21:00 - [21] Originally by: eLLioTT wave trial accounts should be deactivated at -0.1 sec pirating requires a full account? i know its unfair but cmon, suicide trial alts ftl Now thats a rubbish idea. The first thing I did when I undocked on my first day of eve was to try to take down the station. Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Jan Riksma	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: eLLioTT wave trial accounts should be deactivated at -0.1 sec pirating requires a full account? i know its unfair but cmon, suicide trial alts ftl Now thats a rubbish idea. The first thing I did when I undocked on my first day of eve was to try to take down the station. You too and did you dock and undock and get blown up again like i did.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:34:00 - [23] Edited by: Slaveabuser on 12/04/2006 11:34:32 yup! No tutorials back then Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
Nestor II	Posted - 2006.04.12 11:56:00 - [24] If you want to stop macro hunters just flag all trial accounts as No PK allowed, PK should only be for paying accounts. I doubt that anyone is going pay for 5 accounts just to go out and kill belt miners.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.12 12:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Deja Thoris Cant ban IP's. What about people that play from uni etc?? you don't ban the IP. you look at the IP and think "maybe this trial thing is something to do with ____, because he is obviously connecting from the same place" Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron
Salusa VC	Posted - 2006.04.12 12:14:00 - [26] A lot of people have dynamic IP's (You have to pay extra for a static IP, at least with most ISP providers in UK).
Leilani Solaris	Posted - 2006.04.12 13:43:00 - [27] There's nothing in the EULA which says you can't do it. so why should people be banned for it. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. I haven't got a new sig yet :) http://triad.eve-killboard.net/
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.12 13:44:00 - [28] You can use trials for almost anything. Recycling alts for suicide kills isn't one of them. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Andargor theWise	Posted - 2006.04.12 13:49:00 - [29] To reiterate, people who do this are found the same way than in RL: follow the money. The money has to come from somewhere to buy equipment, and if it is for gain, it goes somewhere as well. "Somewhere" is usually a main. Petition it. Andargor
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.12 13:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Salusa VC A lot of people have dynamic IP's (You have to pay extra for a static IP, at least with most ISP providers in UK). you perform any punishments on the account, not the IP. however, most people won't take the time to get a new IP between logging their mains and trials in. my ISP reserved IPs for 6 hours, so i would have to be DCed for 6 hours each way to get a new one. I'm on static now anyway... my ISP does them free, and i never get banned from stuff, so its just easier for some things Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron
HairyGary	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:03:00 - [31] Edited by: HairyGary on 12/04/2006 14:04:20 Quote: someone bought those alts kestrels and someone has the same IP as the trials. Not necessarily. As a for-instance, I use Comcast as my ISP. Comcast associates your IP with the MAC address of whatever is plugged into the modem. I also own a router - plain old, Linksys ethernet router. My router has MAC cloning. I can get an entirely new IP with a few clicks. It won't even be on the same subnet. Probably far easier to track the transactions within Eve, really. Oh, looks like that was noted later in the thread.
Xascor	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:06:00 - [32] Tracing the money might work for someone that really doesn't know what they are doing. Problem is that most veterans can make 3-6 million in an hour or 2 just doing the storyline and selling the implants on all 3 toons on the trial account. That's enough capital to finance a suicide alt as long as it gets some decent loot during it's lifetime. The rest can easily be passed back and forth between trial accounts. Not to mention other ways (I won't mention) that are VERY easy ways to give an alt money from your main account that aren't traceable. IP Banning leads to innocent players accounts getting banned. Either restrict the accounts activities more or place them on a different server. -------------------------------------------------- Insomnia is nothing to lose sleep over.
Valium Summer	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:11:00 - [33] PHEAR THE ELITE 14 DAY PLAYER. I have seen the Arctic Circle... And it is round.
Karl Mattar	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:14:00 - [34] Umm, you can't tank a trial player long enough for your drones to destroy him? --- Karl Mattar Commander, CNS Rock Hound CAIN, Quartermaster Division
Thorndin MacMorrin	Posted - 2006.04.12 14:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Seven Sins I believe the person can be traced very quickly with his ip. Just ban the individuals. No point in ruining it for others that want to enjoy or experience the game. I have petitioned, however I could only provide limited information (text limited to x amount!) Im all for helping new people (ask anyone) but when someone abuses the trial account program such as this, they do need to be banned or punished. Unfortunatly your belief is based on 20th century technology. While I'm not for suicide newb gank squads, I can play eve on my lap top, and walk from cafe to cafe, and get a new ip after evey new cup of hot chocolate. Now that wireless routers are common place (and the skill to set one up securely is not) it is hard to track anyone via an ip. Tracking folks down via a mac address is also not sure, as it can still be spoofed with a little bit of work.
Seven Sins	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Leilani Solaris There's nothing in the EULA which says you can't do it. so why should people be banned for it. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Um, there is actually. Its something about abusing the game mechanics. An old corp 'Zombie' once got themselves banned because they camped down Yulai. Probably before your time darling. They were using 1 battleship to kill with another couple boosting it. They did this at every gate. At the time concord and sentry guns were not enough to stop this act. Hence they found a way around the game mechanics, had fun and got themselves a ban. Oh and when you have your river, I will gladly sail down it
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:24:00 - [37] Originally by: HippoKing yes, but someone bought them kestrels and logged in from the same IP... I see. All is now clear. Trace money, track the IP use. Kill the main account. -------------- I'm just bitter
Leilani Solaris	Posted - 2006.04.12 15:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Seven Sins Originally by: Leilani Solaris There's nothing in the EULA which says you can't do it. so why should people be banned for it. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Um, there is actually. Its something about abusing the game mechanics. An old corp 'Zombie' once got themselves banned because they camped down Yulai. Probably before your time darling. They were using 1 battleship to kill with another couple boosting it. They did this at every gate. At the time concord and sentry guns were not enough to stop this act. Hence they found a way around the game mechanics, had fun and got themselves a ban. Oh and when you have your river, I will gladly sail down it That's completely different, that's abusing a game mechanic and resisting death in secure space, also, they were told to stop doing it by the devs and refused to, hence they got the ban. However, this way they are still losing their ships and not abusing a game mechanic in any way at all. Just making use of free trials. And i do hope you're not suggesting that i might be a noob, i may not have been playing since Beta but i've been around for quite a while. I haven't got a new sig yet :) http://triad.eve-killboard.net/
Zasra	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:18:00 - [39] Is recycling alts on your paid accounts against policy? If it isn't, whats the difference? That's like saying Ebay isk sales are bad, but then allowing time code sales for ISK. To me it seems that CCP is ok with $$$ for isk as long as they get their cut ;)
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:22:00 - [40] Quote: congratulations on being miserably wrong. someone bought those alts kestrels and someone has the same IP as the trials. someone with inteligence uses a proxy. if IP addresses were so great there would be no websites beeing defaced or hacked ,no trojans etc. any idiot can spoof an ip
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:22:00 - [41] Tracing isk wont work. You guys should try creating a trial account and spending the 4-6 hours it takes to do the starting mission and your first story line. You easily have 2-3M isk with selling your rewards and with mission bonuses. (1+ implant) The best idea is locking the account once it goes below a certain negative security status. What that may be; would have to be decided with common sense. And should include a tutorial warning.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Zasra Is recycling alts on your paid accounts against policy? Yes it is. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Leilani Solaris Cry me a river Ok! You were my sun, you were my earth but you didnt know all the ways I loved you, no So you took a chance, made other plans But I betcha didnt think that they would come crashin down, no You dont have to say, What cha did I already know, I found out from HIM now theres just no chance with you and me there will never be dont it make you sad about it you told me you love me Why did you leave me all alone now you tell me you need me When you call me on the phone Girl I refuse you must have me confused with some other guy the bridges were burned now its your turn,To cry Cry me a river Cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river er er YA YA You know that they say somethings are better left Unsaid It wasnt like you only talked to him And you know it (Dont act like you dont know it) all of these things people told me keep messin with my head shoulda been honesty then you may not have thought it You dont have to say, What cha did I already know, I found out from HIM now theres just no chance with you and me there will never be done it make you sad about it you told me you love me Why did you leave me all alone (all alone) now you tell me you need me When you call me on the phone ( call me on the phone) Girl I refuse you must have me confused with some other guy (not like them baby) the bridges were burned now its your turn to cry So Cry me a river Cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river er er YA YA Oh The damage is done So i guess i be leavin Oh The damage is done So i guess i be leavin Oh The damage is done So i guess i be leavin You dont have to say, What cha did I already know, I found out from HIM now theres just no chance with you and me there will never be dont it make you sad about it So Cry me a river Cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river er er cry me a river cry me a river........... Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:51:00 - [44] You cant connect a trial and a main account by IP, like it is said IPs are dynamic for most providers and thus many people could get the IP of someone who abused the system, if they attended the same Uni for example, yes the chance is small but still possible. You cant ban the people who buy the alts the equipment either, what if im in New Caldari and some newb says "hi i just started the game could you spare me some money/a frig", if i say sure and wire them a mill or something (which i wouldnt cause the lazy **s should make their own money), and if he turns out to be an old player griefing you think CCP are gonna ban me cause i provided them with the gear? i think not. Like someone else said stop trial accounts being able to use the account or stop them from activating agressive modules after their sec hits a certain rating. -Havo ------------------- DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - yarr tbh** "Take from the rich and put it on eBay" - zincol
Ridek Cremmen	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:59:00 - [45] I would agree that the way to fix this is not banning since you will catch to many innocent people with it as well. Instead limit trial accounts to say 0.7 space and higher and do not allow locks on players. The character can still experience the game and now has a ton more to explore once he starts paying..
Severe McCald	Posted - 2006.04.12 16:59:00 - [46] Originally by: Saeris Tal'Urduar Tracing isk wont work. Wrong isk. Why are the trial accounts taking down miners. So main can scoop loot. That loot can be traced. Repeated trial suicides and a main getting the benefit = ban. Don't see why this is difficult? What if main uses cut out? Maybe a noob paid to collect loot and hand it over. It can still be traced, all the transactions are recorded. Sev I saw a squirrel today jumping from one tree to another, the branch it landed on snapped. So the squirrel was on this falling branch, clambering like mad, thinking it was doing something about it.'
aggiedog	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:12:00 - [47] Would it be possilbe to ban the harddrive? I know that another game that I play does this and it works fairly well. --------------------------------------------- Make Doomsday weapons available for frigates!
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:21:00 - [48] Edited by: Nyphur on 12/04/2006 18:22:46 Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: eLLioTT wave trial accounts should be deactivated at -0.1 sec pirating requires a full account? i know its unfair but cmon, suicide trial alts ftl Now thats a rubbish idea. The first thing I did when I undocked on my first day of eve was to try to take down the station. I shot a quafe billboard. Originally by: aggiedog Would it be possilbe to ban the harddrive? I know that another game that I play does this and it works fairly well. Easy to counter but there are plenty of ways to ban people. You can ban by MAC address, and it does work despite what people say. Plenty of things do it. You're never going to get 100% effective bans but it helps. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Nee'kita Frist	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:25:00 - [49] post here if you don't know what you're talking about! As it has been explained me to me earlier in the thread (IE: a few posts down on page 1) Its a simple matter of tracking the account which gave the trial accounts the kestrals to do this with. Consquently it will be THAT account that is banned. No need to trace IP, compare login results etc. none of this techno mumbo jumbo needed at all. Just a simple database check (close thread kkthnks) -------------- I'm just bitter
blacknight9	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Valium Summer PHEAR THE ELITE 14 DAY PLAYER. I don't understand how a 14 day trial runner can beat the hell out of you guys who played it more then they did. In 2 weeks u just can't maximize all the skills needed to fly a better ship than kestrell. In my opinion miners should always keep an eye(see scanning issues), and having an escort pvp friend is a must.
Sensor Error	Posted - 2006.04.12 18:53:00 - [51] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Nee'kita Frist Originally by: Seven Sins CCP, I call on you to stop this abuse! It is outside of the game mechanics and I believe this to be a bannable offence! I await to see how you will make it difficult to ban an account that only lasts 14 days before requiring a subscription yes, but someone bought them kestrels and logged in from the same IP... the whole IP banning thing is not a good idea... I've inheritted bans from games before because my ISP uses DHCP rather than statically assigning an address... And what about dial up users? I've been banned! What a shame, I'll just log off and log on again... RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!! ------------------------------------------ Now run along and play with your dolls...
Seven Sins	Posted - 2006.04.12 19:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Leilani Solaris Originally by: Seven Sins Originally by: Leilani Solaris There's nothing in the EULA which says you can't do it. so why should people be banned for it. Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. Um, there is actually. Its something about abusing the game mechanics. An old corp 'Zombie' once got themselves banned because they camped down Yulai. Probably before your time darling. They were using 1 battleship to kill with another couple boosting it. They did this at every gate. At the time concord and sentry guns were not enough to stop this act. Hence they found a way around the game mechanics, had fun and got themselves a ban. Oh and when you have your river, I will gladly sail down it That's completely different, that's abusing a game mechanic and resisting death in secure space, also, they were told to stop doing it by the devs and refused to, hence they got the ban. However, this way they are still losing their ships and not abusing a game mechanic in any way at all. Just making use of free trials. And i do hope you're not suggesting that i might be a noob, i may not have been playing since Beta but i've been around for quite a while. Correct, they ARE making use of free trials, but not as CCP intended. The free trial program is not there to create hollow characters to be abused and used by existing greifers. The free trial is as its name states a 'free trial'. Not a 'lets make alts and gank some noobs' idea. This is using trial accounts in a way that they were not intended for. Besides, this one in particular had approximately 8 characters in his 'squad' and it was definately 1 person. If ccp trace the 8 characters back to the main via isk transfers, this should be strong enough evidence to ban the main Now theres no need to get picky about definitions or wording Oh, and I didn't suggest you were a noob anywhere in the post. Its all factual Suprised it touched a nerve though! Seven
Moots	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:25:00 - [53] Quote: The purpose of trial accounts is for new guys to try out EVE, not old ones to abuse it. Correct!
Wizerud	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:31:00 - [54] I was under the impression that money cannot be sent from or received by a trial account.
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Wrangler The purpose of trial accounts is for new guys to try out EVE, not old ones to abuse it. No offense, but i don't think you play enough to see how those old players abuse them... Tell that to them, not the people posting here. It's easier done than said.
Tousaka Langley	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:37:00 - [56] Macrominers being killed? Good.
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.12 21:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Tousaka Langley Macrominers being killed? Good. people in mining bargers beeing killed who arent macro mining aswell i bet, there weak ,easy to kill with mining lasers worth a few mil.
Rikkard Strofeldt	Posted - 2006.04.12 22:41:00 - [58] The problem with the trial account is that people are too scared to do anything "naughty" with their main. I mean, geez, grow some balls, man up, and be evil with your main. Its not the end of the world. Manco Devils needs you
9854365	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:02:00 - [59] Ok how do you know its "trail " accts and not just alts? It is quite easy to make a kessie pilot ready to kill with 0 extra training.
D'onryu Shoqui	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:06:00 - [60] Originally by: 9854365 Ok how do you know its "trail " accts and not just alts? It is quite easy to make a kessie pilot ready to kill with 0 extra training. i guess you dont but it probably is alot of the time. you can creat trial accounts quicker than you can delete chars on an account. maybe CCP should do it so any characters on trial accounts have [TRIAL] on the end of there name in space. its not like its impossible seeing as they can stop trial accounts learning certain skills it probably wouldnt be that hard.
Guth	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:23:00 - [61] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: VinLieger Originally by: Wrangler Petition them. Whats the point of pettitioning a trial account since if they are using it to grief without having to use thier main theres still no way to track it back to the main since you can pick a trial up anywhere. The only solution to trial abuse imo is for ccp to go back to handing out trials solely throught the buddy system therefore if someone does grief it can ba traced back to whoever sent them the trial. All this means is you need to be careful who you hand these out to. This could also be a good way of stamping out macroers cus we all know the main way they get in is through trials. If the only trial they could get was through a full account e-mailing them then all pettions pertaining to those trial accounts about macro mining could then be traced back to the original macro account which could then be banned. congratulations on being miserably wrong. someone bought those alts kestrels and someone has the same IP as the trials. as for making it buddy program only, if i asked for an eve trial on any major gaming forum on the internet i'd recieve 15 emails through in the next 24 hours from friendly people wanting to help. theyd be ****** off if you got hired as a GM Sorry hippoking but you are wrong here. It is very common in alot of European countries at least (maybe others, dont know) to have ISPs with dynamic IP address allocation. Each time i log on/off my internet i get a new IP from the ISPs pool of IP addresses. Banning someone with the same IP is just not doable, neither is banning someone from the same pool. The ground for it as proof is so thin as to be non-existent and easy to disprove by anybody with a small technical knowledge. Im a system developer myself (thought nothing like these CCP guys.. ) and the things I just told you are facts that i have hands on knowledge about and proven to be correct. No, NOT by abusing it on EVE, but in IP logging in other systems as a means of identification --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.13 01:24:00 - [62] Originally by: VinLieger Originally by: Wrangler Petition them. snip You'd be suprised at how CCP could track the alt's main accounts down. Hell pretty much anyone who's ran a MUD with an account system could do it IP and ISK trails to trace ftw. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Moots	Posted - 2006.04.13 03:18:00 - [63] I'm glad they have free trial accounts, it brought me back to the game :) Miner & Manufacturer
Darpz	Posted - 2006.04.13 04:48:00 - [64] how about not allowing a trial account to login if there has been a real account login on that IP in the last 12hrs. won't kill it all but would make it less convienent The only good fix is a DEAD fix
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.04.13 04:51:00 - [65] IMO, you should only be able to sending one trial a day/week or something. To stop abuse. - You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.13 04:56:00 - [66] Could just make it where you can only log 1 trail account per IP as well. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
La Tortura	Posted - 2006.04.13 07:05:00 - [67] ISK Trace? Just do a lvl 3 mission with the main and let your alts take the containers and sell stuff. Or kill a NPC'er in a belt and let your alt loot his container. Hell, sacrifice your friend who fly T2-fitted ship and let your alt sell a few T2 mods. More than enough for a several kessies. Do it with friends, so IP of main will be in Europe and IP's of alts will be in US, and vice verca for their alts. Money could be laundered many ways and quite easy, you know. Don't see a problem with antimacroes suicede alts btw. Yeah, there are some mistakes, but it's just collateral damage. Live with it.

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