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Alric Evil
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Posted - 2006.04.12 23:47:00 -
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Was wondering if ccp could include a command to abandon/disconnect control over launched drones?
This is a life saving command for drone ships such as domi or ishtar. Sometimes your drones get slow down by webbers or just simply flying too close to each other causing slowness. Due to this, you cannot launch other spare drones. Might be worth a thought. 
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.04.13 00:52:00 -
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signed, ive always wanted something like this
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.04.13 02:05:00 -
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Signed..
Also a jettison from drone bay option wouldn't be bad... sometimes you just pick up the wrong drones in the heat of the moment
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.04.13 02:38:00 -
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100% NOT SIGNED. Right off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen ways that option could be exploited.
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Meiron
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Posted - 2006.04.13 04:07:00 -
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How is throwing away your own drones going to be exploitable? :) Maybe I'm just not thinking hard enough, but this seems like a very reasonable option. I mean, drones aren't free, throwing away 5 tech II Ogres is a very expensive option.
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cheru
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Posted - 2006.04.13 04:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Alric Evil
Was wondering if ccp could include a command to abandon/disconnect control over launched drones?
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Oh yes, pretty please CCP! Drone users really need that.
Or make it that drones "scoop to dronebay" no matter how far they are away from the ship.
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Hub Quantum
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Posted - 2006.04.13 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: Hub Quantum on 13/04/2006 06:17:17
Originally by: Toaster Oven
100% NOT SIGNED. Right off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen ways that option could be exploited.
I bet you could share one or two of them then. To be honest, something like this is sorely needed, drone "pathing" is completely broken and two drones that can move greater than 500 m/s regularly get in situations where they can't ever catch a ship heading that opposite direction going 100 m/s. It's broken, a solution is needed. While they're at it there's a few thousand drone users that would like the bugs like all of a deadspace aggroing you from simply launching drones, your drones attacking your gang mates in high sec space (Yes, getting you concorded) and several others fixed.
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ookke
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Posted - 2006.04.13 06:36:00 -
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Yes yes yes, /signed :)
There is nothing more annoying than t2 light drones doing 100 m/s when you need to swap them quick to heavy drones or vice versa.
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Ante
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Posted - 2006.04.13 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
100% NOT SIGNED. Right off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen ways that option could be exploited.
Do share.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.04.13 09:32:00 -
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1. Got your sentry drones out but you're nowhere near them? Tackler warp in on you? No problem, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
2. Your light drones chase that inty 60km away and now you need to drop some heavies on that Blasterthron that just warped in? No prob, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
3. In the middle of a complex and need some more firepower? No problem. Just whip out 5 heavies and abandon them so that your bud in the Ishkur can scoop and release all of them! No need to warp away!
The list could go on and on...
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Hurricane Jefferson
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Posted - 2006.04.13 09:55:00 -
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personally i think this isnt a bad idea. I'm not a big drone user myself, but i can see it being useful in certain situations.
There are probably are situations given where it COULD be an exploit (although i dont think any of those given by toaster are very good examples). A way to get around that would be to make your drones self destruct?? any thoughts?
I dont mean all abandoned drones will self destruct. only if you command them to be abandoned. I believe that would nullify at least one of the arguaments straight away, and make the othere less feasable as you wouldnt be able to go collect them afterwards
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2006.04.13 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
1. Got your sentry drones out but you're nowhere near them? Tackler warp in on you? No problem, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
Eeee.. Thats the whole idea.
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2. Your light drones chase that inty 60km away and now you need to drop some heavies on that Blasterthron that just warped in? No prob, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
Same as above.. Thats the idea..
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3. In the middle of a complex and need some more firepower? No problem. Just whip out 5 heavies and abandon them so that your bud in the Ishkur can scoop and release all of them! No need to warp away!
First of all.. How is the iskur going to use 5 havies with its small drone bay?
Secound of all.. When you do that you also loose your own firepower.. What are you going to do next time when you run out of drones..
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The list could go on and on...
Tbh, you have not stated anything that could be exploited. Also 1 and 2 where the same just using different words.
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.04.13 10:03:00 -
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Making drones self destruct makes very little difference at all. It's probably even more helpful in a PVP situation where your enemy can't scoop and use your drones against you. If you abandon your drones, you won't be getting them back anytime soon so they might as well be dead to you. Really, this while idea is dumb. Drones themeselves need to be fixed, a workaround hack option that's easily abused doesn't need to be added 
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.04.13 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Drakxter
Eeee.. Thats the whole idea.
Eh, and you don't quite seem to grasp that's not an intended game mechanism.
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First of all.. How is the iskur going to use 5 havies with its small drone bay?
Secound of all.. When you do that you also loose your own firepower.. What are you going to do next time when you run out of drones..
The first part in itself is an exploit so I'm not gonna bother explaining it. The 2nd part really doesn't matter if the drones you lent out are returned to you. Or, if you're piloting a drone boat with a large reserves.
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Tbh, you have not stated anything that could be exploited. Also 1 and 2 where the same just using different words.
Clue, get one.
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Tremain
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Posted - 2006.04.13 11:05:00 -
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If you want to self-destruct your drones so you can deploy new ones you should be able to - your taking the loss, they're not exactly cheap.
Knowing CCP's track record with drones though you'd probably self destruct your own ship if you tried it
Toaster is just a troll, don't feed the trolls.
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TresheR
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Posted - 2006.04.13 13:32:00 -
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/absolutely, positively signed
You can shoot them yourself, but it takes a long time to lock and you don't want to be taking the guns off the target.
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Drakxter
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Posted - 2006.04.13 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
Eh, and you don't quite seem to grasp that's not an intended game mechanism.
No? Its just as much not an intended game mechanism as its an intended game mechanism..
You make it sound like we can already do this and that is an exploit to do it.
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The first part in itself is an exploit so I'm not gonna bother explaining it. The 2nd part really doesn't matter if the drones you lent out are returned to you. Or, if you're piloting a drone boat with a large reserves.
What is an exploit.. That the iskur cant use 5 heavy drones?
So how many ships have large drone bays with enough room to bring backup drones for your friends while still being able to bring drones that can deal damage for them.. And dont start talking about carriers here please..
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Clue, get one.
I got plenty of clues here.. I even got spares.
/me hands Toaster Oven a clue. 
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Ricky Baby
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Posted - 2006.04.13 13:52:00 -
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Drakster: the ishkur (as in fact anyship with more than 25m3 drone bay) CAN have 5 heavy drone under there control - the process to get this is time consuming and will mean the drones are left behind when the host ship warps. its pretty much impossible to pull of if anything but a NPC situation.
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Sheeana
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Posted - 2006.04.13 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Sheeana on 13/04/2006 14:13:19
Edited by: Sheeana on 13/04/2006 14:12:56
This option is a must if not just for sentry drones only and before you reply toaster a Ishkur cant use 5 sentry drones. Nothing more annoying than getting bumped away from your sentry drones and getting webbed so you cant scoop them. If it realy makes you happy toaster then make it so no one els can scoop your drones till they are incapacited so your 125 drone bay sized Ishkur cant use them....
I see your point that drones just need to be fixed but there are many ways this could be handy and this gets my 100% vote.
Edit for post above, well if that can be done then that needs to be fixed not stop a good feture that 9 out of 10 people would want.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.04.13 14:58:00 -
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Drones must be nerfed, because it is uber-weapon and must have weapon.
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.04.13 15:10:00 -
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Make it as the OP said but also add a flag that says if you release them of your own free will you're the only person that can scoop them.
I know it would be more flexible to drop your distant drones and redeploy different ones but you're chucking away drones like that and it's really only Gallente that would have the option in the first place.
I don't think this is badly exploitable and the posts I've seen to say otherwise certainly havn't convinced me. I like the idea.
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Cukogra
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Posted - 2006.04.13 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
1. Got your sentry drones out but you're nowhere near them? Tackler warp in on you? No problem, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
2. Your light drones chase that inty 60km away and now you need to drop some heavies on that Blasterthron that just warped in? No prob, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
3. In the middle of a complex and need some more firepower? No problem. Just whip out 5 heavies and abandon them so that your bud in the Ishkur can scoop and release all of them! No need to warp away!
The list could go on and on...
Good point on number 3, but still don't see it as ground breaking... really no different than the non-intended jet mining.
As for 1 and 2, it's no different for me as a minmatar pilot to forget the inty flying around me and just focus fire on something else that I could hit, or a more immediate danger. Hell, if a pilot wants to lose T2 drones that's his problem.
Anyways, I'm for it, just wanted to provide a counter view to yours, and a semi agreement to 3.
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Raymond Sterns
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Posted - 2006.04.13 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Astrum Ludus
it's really only Gallente that would have the option in the first place.
Why? Gallente arent the only ones who use drones.
That's like giving me the TV's remote control w/o the off button.
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Iberi
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Posted - 2006.04.13 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cukogra
Originally by: Toaster Oven
1. Got your sentry drones out but you're nowhere near them? Tackler warp in on you? No problem, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
2. Your light drones chase that inty 60km away and now you need to drop some heavies on that Blasterthron that just warped in? No prob, just abandon your drones and whip out a new pair!
3. In the middle of a complex and need some more firepower? No problem. Just whip out 5 heavies and abandon them so that your bud in the Ishkur can scoop and release all of them! No need to warp away!
The list could go on and on...
Good point on number 3, but still don't see it as ground breaking... really no different than the non-intended jet mining.
As for 1 and 2, it's no different for me as a minmatar pilot to forget the inty flying around me and just focus fire on something else that I could hit, or a more immediate danger. Hell, if a pilot wants to lose T2 drones that's his problem.
Anyways, I'm for it, just wanted to provide a counter view to yours, and a semi agreement to 3.
You did not understand? How you will switch from sniper 250mm to 1400mm? In space? Quickly?
Requested to BOOST drone AGAIN. Drones is uber weapon, but have some limitations(type of damage, range of damage cannot be changed quickly).After proposed changes any drone owner could change type and range of damage instantly, drop drones, next set fired. And with funny proposition to retain drone owners we have possibility to pick up all drones immediately after fight.
1. It is boost. It is POWEERFUL boost. So it is practically impossible. We have enough power in drones and a bit more.
2. Do you remember changes for drones in RMR? These chages had been done to DECREASE number of drone(objects) in the space. You are proposing to INCREASE nmber of drones(objects). It is just impossible.
So, guys, forget about this stupid idea.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.13 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Drakxter
First of all.. How is the iskur going to use 5 havies with its small drone bay?
Secound of all.. When you do that you also loose your own firepower.. What are you going to do next time when you run out of drones..
same way i use 5 heavies on my raven... 
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:01:00 -
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erm ishtar with HaC 5 has the same drone bay as a domi.... And i use 10 heavys 3 sentrys on my domi so dont say an ishtar cant use heavy drones, lawl, get a clue...
But yes, abandon drones is neeedeeed
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Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Faruda
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
erm ishtar with HaC 5 has the same drone bay as a domi.... And i use 10 heavys 3 sentrys on my domi so dont say an ishtar cant use heavy drones, lawl, get a clue...
But yes, abandon drones is neeedeeed
Yes, I win button is neeedeeed
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:27:00 -
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certain circumstances ?
i can think of only one way to do this alone and it would be a pretty annoying hassle to pull it off everytime you warp
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
certain circumstances ?
i can think of only one way to do this alone and it would be a pretty annoying hassle to pull it off everytime you warp
i don't have a friend drop them, but if you pop a ship that was attacking you with drones its easy to get them out in the middle of a fight
Win a Cerberus!!
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.04.13 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
100% NOT SIGNED. Right off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen ways that option could be exploited.
Then NAME them
It isnt implimented yet, or indeed isnt planned, so if you be so kind as to name the issues you have with it then the Devs will know what they have to try and work around before they consider implementing this idea.
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