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The Monk
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Posted - 2003.09.17 09:20:00 -
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Yeah well there is going to be a merge afaik and were planning on securing the region as you have probably already noticed.
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The Monk
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Posted - 2003.09.17 09:23:00 -
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I always give a warning plenty of time before any shots are fired. Mind you the guys at the gate were extreamly trigger happy and didnt have many webbers so I guess they were worried u might try a run at the gate or just log. Its happened before. I'm a bit annoyed they didnt warn you though I will see if I can get this changed in the future so no more pointless ship losses.
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Leyla
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Posted - 2003.09.17 09:32:00 -
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Would you give me plenty of warning Monk?
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The Monk
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Posted - 2003.09.17 09:35:00 -
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Nope Sin get killed on site... trouble is most of the time they just warp away or if they do get jammed they just log...
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Leyla
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Posted - 2003.09.17 09:37:00 -
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Ok cool, just wanted to know exactly where we stood.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.09.17 10:56:00 -
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The reason I was in 0.0 space in an uninsured ship was because I had no money to insure it :P. I was going hunting to get the isk, it was a calculated risk that didn't pay off. Our members have been flying down that way for the last couple of weeks without incident so I wasn't too concerned. Again this is the reason for the post, had I know of a war I would of been way more cautious. You live and learn  .
As it happens there are 2 alliances in Curse. My understanding is that one is the Curse Conglomerate or Commonwealth or something - I forgot the title. I spoke to a guy from it called Fubie. These guys are not at war with Stain and do not guard gates or attack people needlessly. It was the Curse Alliance (and particularly Shinra) that took me out.
Incidentally RUS have a non-aggression thing going with the Curse Alliance as they are after the Stain Alliance, so they are also floating about down there. Sods law that 15mins before my destruction I managed to do a double back warp to moons, then warp back to gate with mwd on to lose RUS and was feeling pleased with myself when I approached Shinra.
Durandal,
Do not think me unsympathetic to your situation, but the 50% insurance for an apoc would be about 5 mil (correct me if I am wrong). You could have made that much in 1-2 days mining (assuming 2 hours mining per day) in a 1.0 system. All my corpmates insured their battleships that way before taking them into the great unknown. Moreover, with the patch extending insurance time to 3 weeks, it becomes more apparent you should have waited.
I know these words may be harsh, and hindsight is indeed 20/20. For that I apologize.
I do have one suggestion though. Instead of mining another month for an apoc, mine 2 weeks for an armagaddon (almost 1/2 the price). Then use the arma to mine for 2 weeks for Apoc. This way if you lose the apoc again (hopefully this time it will be insured) then you wont have to mine for long to replace it. My philosophy has always been that having a good ship is always secondary to having the ability to replace it.
I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor
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Durandal
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Posted - 2003.09.17 11:06:00 -
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You are right of course, and it was simply because I was going insane mining that I left without getting the finance for insurance. I needed to do some hunting before the men in white jackets came to take me away.
Like I said, a calculated risk that didn't pay off. However as it happens I was in an Armageddon and not an Apoc...it was 2 Apocs + Scorp that took me out, and I intend to get another armageddon. The difficulty is that with 700k and a pod mining takes a long time 
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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CromO
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Posted - 2003.09.17 11:10:00 -
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Curse Alliance ? I know that a lot of pirate corps are in the region there, and Stain is at war with Curse. I dont believe that, if there is a Curse alliance, they blow up ships at the gate without a warning.
Must be a pirate.
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.09.17 11:13:00 -
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All I ever see in these forums is how some alliance near stain (usually SA) has shot some1 without reason.
Its all a load of horsesh*t. Make a propper alliance. Seems you have too many members abusing the alliance as so to act as pirates and get away with it.
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.17 11:59:00 -
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I didn't knew there was a Curse alliance. I for one appreciate the warning, our corp has a office there and I was considering moving to that office...
This warning and the fact that my corpmate told me that 15 MoO battleships warped into the system that houses our Curse office earlier this week just decided for me that I will not be moving into Curse...
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.17 12:11:00 -
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Been flying in and out of curse most days for the last week and seen no Shinra, although I heard they took a potshot at a corp mate yesterday. Seen a few MASS hanging around (including Xen0?!) but they didn't shoot at me.
Curse is open to anyone using normal caution for 0.0 space - Fountain this is not. Much more of an obstacle is RUS camping the superhighway chokepoint in Catch.
Also if there is some corp/alliance that wants to make curse a closed area, aren't you making your job rather hard by not actually telling anyone?
Yup. Xen0 is a nice guy and a good player, and he was very bored with the way Sinister played the game. So you'll see his sec rating rise again.
Some RUS are usually camping in catch, most of all in 36N. These players are Radogor, Asma, JVOL and ONEGO. All of them use Scorpions with loads of hardeners. They usually run when we enter. But yesterday Asma was relieved from his Scorpion.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.17 12:14:00 -
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This warning and the fact that my corpmate told me that 15 MoO battleships warped into the system...
Considering M0o has 4 active players
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Grikl
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Posted - 2003.09.17 12:52:00 -
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Hey I see my name pop up again LOL
yea you got me from that grid exploit ...
its cool atlest i know where that grid line is now :)
btw Mr Emblamer you wish YOU killed me lmao
you forget the friends you havd with you?
LOL try and take me one on one i would feed you your dog LOL any time any day boy
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Embalm3r
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Embalm3r on 17/09/2003 13:06:57
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Hey I see my name pop up again LOL
yea you got me from that grid exploit ...
its cool atlest i know where that grid line is now :)
btw Mr Emblamer you wish YOU killed me lmao
you forget the friends you havd with you?
LOL try and take me one on one i would feed you your dog LOL any time any day boy
The time will come. Reason u used expoit on me first time was cus u were getting owned.
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Grikl
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:10:00 -
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silly silly boy energy drainers are not an exploit ....
but you are more than welcom to try again :)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 17/09/2003 13:16:49
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If their podding, the patch will fix their 'unearned' positive sec ratings.
Eat My Shorts
A troll is bad.
An uninformed troll is worse. From Redundancy on the sec hits in 0.0 thread in Patch Review
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Apparently the patch note in question is not in fact the case, and was in error. (I have deleted it from the posted patch notes on this forum)
An uniformed troll that doesn't know how to setup a sig...Well that's just pathetic.
For the original poster and anyone that reads the thread:
Best Policy in Non-Empire Space is Trust No One.
Also applies to low sec empire space as I've had an Armageddon rip into me there. Though that was by mistake.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Durandal
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:30:00 -
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Yup, trust absolutely noone. I ususally don't, but got sloppy this time, it was 2am after all
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Scragg on 17/09/2003 13:41:25
There is two groups in Curse. The Curse Aliance (the bad guys), and the Curse Coalition (the good guys).
The Curse Coalition strives to keep the space lanes free of pirates, open for trade and defend it's members from attack. As far as the CC is concerned anyone is free to travel, trade, and hunt rats in Curse just so long as they don't commit acts of piracy or otherwise act like an *******.
The Curse Alliance on the other hand supports and embraces pirate corps like the Red Corsairs and is effectively an outlaw pirate organization with a far different agenda than the CC for the Curse Region. Their main corp members are the Vengeance of the Fallen, the Red Corsairs (really just alts from VOTF who are to cowardly to run their entire organization at negative security), and Shinra. There is several other corps associated with CA but we have not seen them committing blatant acts of piracy like VOTF, RC and Shinra.
The CC has remained silent and behind the scenes for quite some time now on purpose. There was no reason to go public since we consider Curse free and open space for all too freely travel and conduct trade in. The only people who need concern themselves with the CC are outlaws and scum (like the red Corsairs, VOTF and Shinra). We even tried to work with the CA buy just staying out of each others way but they changed the rules this weekend when they started shooting at CC members and now we consider VOTF, the Red Corsairs, and Shinra all pirates. Other CA memebers will not be targeted unless we see them commiting similar acts of piracy like VOTF, RC and Shin.
We have seen RUS and Stain shooting at each other in Curse and have chosen to just leave them alone to settle their differences. So far neither group has harassed anyone in Curse Space that we know of besides each other. Well... except the other night when Stain chased several VOTF and Red Corsairs all the way back to their HQ and forced them to all log out. It looked like self defense to us so.. more power to Stain.
Look for an official announcement from the Curse Coalition sometime soon regarding this situation.
Scragg
P.S. Durandal is not a plant CC had people in system when he got blasted by Embalm3r and Cyrus Virus from Shinra.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:36:00 -
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I forsee a great battle between the great alliances and all the excluded small corps and freelancers.
The time will soon come to rise against these alliances who behave in this way.
Fear not my brothers and sisters, we will rise against this tyranny and strike it down so that the free minded people of Eve can travel freely and safely!
The battle may not be today or tomorrow but everyday that passes will we become stronger.
These rotten deeds will not be forgetten...
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:43:00 -
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I would tend to agree with you Jake. Thats why the CC was formed. To keep space free and safe for all and provide for our mutual defense.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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DJvGalen
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:49:00 -
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This warning and the fact that my corpmate told me that 15 MoO battleships warped into the system...
Considering M0o has 4 active players
I wouldn't know, I don't mingle with pirate corps. Are you sure you don't mean MoO has 4 active forum members ?
I'm still not going there though, if 2 of my corpmates who are not afraid of PvP stay docked because a massive fleet warped in and started to kill everything and one of my corpmates decides to try to break through and is podded before he leaves the system then I sure as hell have no business there.
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Embalm3r
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Posted - 2003.09.17 13:55:00 -
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silly silly boy energy drainers are not an exploit ....
but you are more than welcom to try again :)
They are if they cause people to ctd. Why u get banned if it wasnt an expoit?
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Radogor
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:09:00 -
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Yup. Xen0 is a nice guy and a good player, and he was very bored with the way Sinister played the game. So you'll see his sec rating rise again.
Some RUS are usually camping in catch, most of all in 36N. These players are Radogor, Asma, JVOL and ONEGO. All of them use Scorpions with loads of hardeners. They usually run when we enter. But yesterday Asma was relieved from his Scorpion.
Dear dalman
Us moves as you present the facts
Yes it is valid ASMA yesterday the scorpion has lost when we three together attacked yours 6-8 ships, but there was it on fault of developers confirming these are screenshots are present,
And at all because of valour of your pilots
To accuse us of that that 3 scorpions do not wish to accept fight against your 24 ships silly 
THE NEXT PREVENTION FOR ALL
IN SYSTEM 36N-HZ AND ADJOINING ARE LIABLE TO DESTRUCTION ONLY SA MEMBERS
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:12:00 -
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silly silly boy energy drainers are not an exploit ....
but you are more than welcom to try again :)
They are if they cause people to ctd. Why u get banned if it wasnt an expoit?
Because you are a silly boy crying at the GM's?
Yea, energy drainers cause CTD. But it's damn hard to kill a scorpion running 6 or 7 hardeners without draining his cap. And that may be the reason why CCP hasn't officially banned usage of neutralizers. So, therefor they actually can't ban people for using them. And 2:nd, you obviously seem to know how to cause a CTD with drainers. And then you know damn well that Grikl could NOT cause a CTD.
more on topic, good post Scragg
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Fubie
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:14:00 -
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First I'd like to say yes, there are 2 Curse Alliances. The Curse Alliance is an alliance that allows pirate corps in like the Red Corsairs. The Red Corsairs also have a sub Corp called Vengence of the Fallen that they use as Alts for mining. So if you see either of these corps be very aware that you will be shot as they are very trigger happy.
The Curse Alliance state they are locking down Curse. Well, good luck, they don't have the fire power or organization to do so, especially if the have guys killing off innocents and making enemies like with Durandal which I'll get into later.
Then there is the Curse Coalition, The Curse Coalition is a group of corps dedicated to keeping one another safe from pirates and greifers. We do not shoot first unless shot upon. We are fairly organized and a good group of people. We are also not at war with Stain, or RUS or anyone for that matter.
Even tho the CC & CA have a non aggression pact the Red Corsairs have shot members of the CC on many occassions, including myself. I have given all CC members permission to shoot Red Corsairs on sighte since they do not abide by the non aggression pact. The Red Corsairs especially look for lone indies to fire upon. so be watchfull.
I would like to set the record straight on Stain & RUS members in Curse. We see both of these groups flying around all the time, they've even camped gates, but they have never fired on an innocent that we have seen. The CC do not have any pacts or alliances with Stain or RUS but we hold no hostilities toward one another either.
Now what happened to Durandal was really messed up. We got a call that Embalmer and 2 of his cronies were blockading a gate. But one of my guys Was already flying thru that sector and was headed thru the gate they were camping, he was locked and fired upon, since he was outfitted for mining only he easily flew thru these guys and jumped. We had then heard that Durandal had lost his ships to these guys only minutes before. So I went to speak with these 3 gentleman. I spoke with Embalmer and here is the transcript of that conversation.
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Embalm3r > Howdy?
Fubie > Will you guys be blowing up anymore innocent ships out here tonite?
Embalm3r > nah im heading back to empire space soon
Embalm3r > gonna log and get rdy for patch tomorrow
Fubie > Why did you shoot this guy for no reason?
Embalm3r > who?
Fubie > Do you have his loot?
Embalm3r > i dont no
Fubie > Durandal.
Embalm3r > think the nomad player took it
Fubie > Why did you shoot him if he was no threat to you?
Embalm3r > do u guys care bout stainer movin on to curse?
Fubie > Yes, But why did you shoot Durandal for no reason?
Embalm3r > curse alliance told us to lock down curse
Embalm3r > i own the allaicen a favor so i did
Embalm3r > my corp came and cleared all the stainers out of curse last night
Fubie > Uh, NO! You shoot another innocent player & you will go on my K.O.S. list
Embalm3r > err..
Fubie > We protect non pirate companies out here
Embalm3r > dude.. thats not a good idea to start threats u know
Embalm3r > we are not pirates
Fubie > That is no threat... You podded someone for no good reason at all. You act like pirates, you'll be treated like pirates.
Embalm3r > podded?
Embalm3r > pirates pk
Embalm3r > pirates have no reason to kill
Embalm3r > we dont pk and we only kill with a reason
Fubie > You just blew that guys ship for no reason at all! That IS pirate activity
Embalm3r > u obvious have no idea how stain works
Embalm3r > the reason they are so good in combat is thier spies
Fubie > You know for sure he's a spy.
Embalm3r > no i dont
Fubie > Then do not shoot people.
Embalm3r > but the allaicen cant risky spies getting into curse give back important info on our ships and positions
Fubie > So your going to shoot everyone?
Embalm3r > they all fly apoc and arma u know
Embalm3r > they are nasty bastards
Embalm3r > they are nasty pirates
Embalm3r > and u dont want them here
Embalm3r > and the alliance is doing what it must to stop them getting control over curse
Embalm3r > we dont kill indys or frigs..
Embalm3r > they kill anything
Fubie > You do not shoot innocent people...AT ALL FOR ANY REASON.
Embalm3r > how can u tell who innocent and not?
Fubie > EXACTLY Now your getting the picture... you catch on quick... Your out there just killing everyone you see, so that would make you look like a pirate & we hunt pirates.
Embalm3r > fine hunt us if u must
Embalm3r > but make it official if u do
Fubie > If we hear of you killing innocent people, you will be hunted.
Embalm3r > u hunt us.. we will have to do likewise
Embalm3r > why u bother
Embalm3r > our numbers gr8ly out number yours
Fubie > Not a prob, We've been ve
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Fubie
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:16:00 -
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Embalm3r > our numbers gr8ly out number yours
Fubie > Not a prob, We've been very good at hunting pirates.
Embalm3r > yeah but u not fought whole curse alliance b4 im sure
Fubie > Numbers mean nothing... It's tactics, and yours are flawed already.
Embalm3r > lol
Embalm3r > ok ok dude.. do what u must
Embalm3r > but i smell an i tolf u so comming on
Fubie > We will.
Embalm3r > told*
Fubie > Good luck And Safe Flying
As you can see Embalmer is not the sharpest crayon in the box. his activities are seen as pirate activities to the CC and he will be shot on sight by the CC as a pirate.
What really made me chuckle is when he said he was locking down curse... he was only gaurding 1 gate...
These guys are griefers using the Curse Alliance to hide behind, they are not to be trusted.
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XirtamVotf
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:17:00 -
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Their main corp members are the Vengeance of the Fallen, the Red Corsairs (really just alts from VOTF who are to cowardly to run their entire organization at negative security), and Shinra. There is several other corps associated with CA but we have not seen them committing blatant acts of piracy like VOTF, RC and Shinra.
That is the most RETARDED statement that could be made. First of all we are NOT pirates,
and second VOTF is VOTF not Red Corsairs.
The curse alliance was formed because of the pirates,Mass , Collective, M0o, Simister Corp,
KOD Interstellar etc. AS for the other alliance CC or whatever the **** it is, we were at a non aggression and working with them until they called us for help. We came to help them with their call for aid only to be be gunned down without warning. Ask Cyndal ,scragg you are an idiot if you beleive any of what you posted. so when you want to talk about acts of piracy please keep it factual or dont post your dribble.(clutters up the forums to make you look important) As for Red Corsairs they may be pirates but I will say this they have changed!!! and you hunting them at any given time doesnt make for good relations (again ask cyndal). I think that your alliance has caused more harm than good in curse region, after all there are more corps in that region than just us, and they never get attacked. Most times there is always consultation who gets shot and who doesnt. And Curse is NOT closed LOL, we or no other alliance or corp owns EVE space. But in the recent events the alliance has become rather protective in its endeavors to protect curse members from *******s. So yes some mistakes happen, in war
that happens also. Scragg if you post from now on at least know the facts before you post it makes you sound really dumb, if you think Im lying about any of this ask Cyndal your so called alliance leader, and also confirm with FA
who we are, we are not Red Corsairs (LOL.
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XirtamVotf
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 14:32:39
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First I'd like to say yes, there are 2 Curse Alliances. The Curse Alliance is an alliance that allows pirate corps in like the Red Corsairs. The Red Corsairs also have a sub Corp called Vengence of the Fallen that they use as Alts for mining. So if you see either of these corps be very aware that you will be shot as they are very trigger happy.
Fubie LOL, you are as incorrect as Scragg,and just as uninformed. You fired upon us last night without provocation (VOTF) again ask cyndal. ( um who are pirates). seems to me that you are calling the kettle black here, Mr policeman. Um if you want confirmation about about VOTF ask technolisa from RUS about us or dark Empire and many other corps that we aided from pirates. So you have caused things like durandels plight of being shot by accident, so again keep yours facts straight. I talked with Durandel after it happened and will confirm that conversation. As for us not being trusted
explain to the EVE community here how we were shot down by your allaince for no reason at all with a call of aid from your alliance ( hmmm cowardly eh ?) I luv how you guys post half*****ed truths, and half baked stories, and in your case all baked, as well as Scraggs.
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Embalm3r
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Embalm3r on 17/09/2003 14:32:20
Edited by: Embalm3r on 17/09/2003 14:31:47
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As you can see Embalmer is not the sharpest crayon in the box. his activities are seen as pirate activities to the CC and he will be shot on sight by the CC as a pirate.
What really made me chuckle is when he said he was locking down curse... he was only gaurding 1 gate...
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Lmao. You try typin at 4am. and as for the blockin 1 gate thing.. u been livin in curse for how long? obviously not long enough to realise that to get into the greater part of curse u can only get there by passin thru the gate we were at. 
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Durandal
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Posted - 2003.09.17 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Durandal on 17/09/2003 14:39:36
OK, well I think this post has served its purpose  . As you can see Curse is a bit hectic, more so than your average 0.0 space (by that I mean 0.0 non-alliance space). Hopefully those intending on travelling into curse will be a bit more cautious than normal now.
Again I would like to say that Second Wave Inc is not associated with any of the alliances down there and are most definetely not spies, so please leave the other members of SWI who are down there alone. It may not be a good idea to attack us a second time. I also do not have a problem with either the Curse Alliance or Curse Coalition and thank both Fubie and Xirtamvotf for the time they took to chat with me after the incident.
However, Shinra, I'm still ****ed. You need to put the safety's on a bit I think. If you are worried about spies you could easily, easily have asked me to stop and answer some questions before attacking.
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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