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Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:32:00 - [1] Right at the start I want to make clear that I am not bad mouthing the Curse Alliance as I have contacted some of their members and they seem good guys, however this post should serve as a warning to all those intending to travel in the Curse region and surrounding space. I was unaware that there was even a strong military presence in the region in the form of an alliance when I set off there tonight however it turns out there is. Nor was I aware that it is being treated as a closed region by a few of the corps involved. Due to the ongoing war with the Stain Alliance it would appear that some members of this alliance, who are guarding gates on the way into the region, are a little trigger happy. Having contacted the alliance I found there should be a warning or questioning that takes place in the local channel before any action - however in my case this did not happen. On approaching the gate I noticed 3/4 ships belonging to Shinra Corp (2 Apocs, a Scorp and something else). At about 20-30km out travelling at 140m/s and posing no threat I assumed all was well as they are not a pirate corp and all had large positive sec ratings. However seconds later I was warp scrambled and destroyed. Still I tried to contact the players responsible but they rejected my convo's until they finally answered in the local channel, I was accused of making a run to the gate(!) and they didn't know who I was. This despite me trying to contact them in the local channel before the attack. It was also suggested that there is not always enough time to question people, again bullsht in my particular case. So for those of you who had no knowledge of the Curse Alliance be careful. If noone replies in local channel while guarding a gate and you are on your own (or if they belong to Shinra) go another way. Its not worth the trouble, believe me. As it stands I was caught with my pants down and blasted back to beta almost. I am now the proud owner of a pod and 700k having just lost all my new equipment, my uninsured Armageddon and the skills I was carrying. I am poor, and I mean poor. All donations will be greatly appreciated. knock*knock whos that - ah the salvation army...what do you mean you have surrendered "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:38:00 - [2] How much did you get paid to promote this Curse Alliance? Convert Stations
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:42:00 - [3] Edited by: Durandal on 17/09/2003 01:45:56 How much did I get paid?!?! Are you joking. I just lost everything, and Second Wave Inc is in no way linked to ANY alliance. Seriously, I am ***ed, and its only because I managed to speak to someone in their alliance who seemed a good guy that I am not jsut abusing them on this forum. And besides, what would be the benefit of this post. I'm not saying don't go to Curse or avoid Curse, I'm saying that I had no idea the alliance existed and because of this I got destroyed. I was warning others not to do as I did. Please think before you write. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"*
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:43:00 - [4] The benefit for the Curse Alliance would be obvious, making a name for themselves and keeping people out of there, think before you post... Convert Stations
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:46:00 - [5] Edited by: dalman on 17/09/2003 01:51:53 There is a Curse Alliance? And they are at war with us? lol, some of us just go to Curse for fun sometimes, since there are lots of pirate corps hanging around. Well, when they don't use the grid exploit they are mostly running edit ooops, look, there is some of them M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Scathain	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:47:00 - [6] dont bad mouth Durandal dumb ass! i was on when it happened... I was 30 jumps away and i hear ** **. Our courp was just out hunting in a system trying to get an office set up there too. We had no idea that there was an Curse alliance! And they gaurd the gates when we are leaving, and destroy one of our members Armas, and he tried to contact them, This seem extremly stupid that the KOS who ever they think is in the Stain Alliance. Hey Shinra JUST TO TELL U THE CORPS WHO ARE IN THE STAIN ALLIANCE OFTEN TEND TO SHOW IT OFF!!!! =============================================== I fart in your general direction! you Mother was a hampster and your Father reaked of elderberry If you dont know what movie this is from I have pitty on you liarg yloh eht rof tseuq :snohtyP ytnoM
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:49:00 - [7] Edited by: Durandal on 17/09/2003 01:52:35 The benefit is not obvious. And even if there is a benefit to them so what. The point of my post is to warn people who had no idea this was happening to be careful. For example, don't afk warp etc. It could cost you a ship. It cost me mine.(not afk warping, just not knowing about the alliance ) And MASS, lol. Appropriate that you should reply. They said you took out one of their battleships last night. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:49:00 - [8] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 17/09/2003 01:51:36 Danton, sir you are a jerk. A paranoid jerk. Believe me as a jerk I know what I'm talking about so just trust me on this My sympathy Durandal, don't trust anybody.. Security rating says nothing, and more often than not if you see a battleship in 0.0 space then he'll try to kill you. Especially alliance peeps.. http://eve.klaki.net/
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2003.09.17 01:54:00 - [9] If they have any spine they should pay you back for it. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 02:03:00 - [10] Well I have no shame and I asked. But they declined. Something about "if we started paying back those people whos ships we wrongly blew up we would have no money" or words to that effect. Oh well, back to mining for another 2months. Just as I was looking forward to rat hunting "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 02:16:00 - [11] Quote: Edited by: dalman on 17/09/2003 01:51:53 There is a Curse Alliance? And they are at war with us? lol, some of us just go to Curse for fun sometimes, since there are lots of pirate corps hanging around. Well, when they don't use the grid exploit they are mostly running edit ooops, look, there is some of them Lmao! i hope u are aware that i got grikl from mass banned only a few weeks ago cus he used expoits on me. As for the we travel there for fun bit.. im sure grikl found it fun when i blew up his apoc only they other night ago.
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.17 02:39:00 - [12] Edited by: dalman on 17/09/2003 02:47:27 Please tell me what exloit he was using. And I'm pretty sure that you guys did know about the grid exploit at that gate. (edit the gate you were camping) M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2003.09.17 03:06:00 - [13] "if we started paying back those people whos ships we wrongly blew up we would have no money" LMAO Tells one a little about their competence in these matters? * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Fartracker	Posted - 2003.09.17 04:37:00 - [14] If their podding, the patch will fix their 'unearned' positive sec ratings. Eat My Shorts Eat My Shorts!
Blacklight	Posted - 2003.09.17 04:53:00 - [15] This reads like a genuine post and my sympathies to the guy in question who has obviously learnt a painful lesson. Flaming posts like this is why this forum is such a chore to read a lot of the time. Good luck Durandal, hope you get back on your feet soon enough. Eve Blacklight Style
High Priestess	Posted - 2003.09.17 05:31:00 - [16] Another so called honorable alliance podkilling people with no warning. When will it end?
nono	Posted - 2003.09.17 05:55:00 - [17] Quote: If their podding, the patch will fix their 'unearned' positive sec ratings. Eat My Shorts I think you will find that has changed.
Sc0rpion	Posted - 2003.09.17 06:29:00 - [18] Edited by: Sc0rpion on 17/09/2003 06:39:26 Seriously though, why were you flying around in 0.0 space in an uninsured battleship with several hundred thousand isk worth of skills not in a secure container? "The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously." -Freidrich Nietzche
Chai N'Dorr	Posted - 2003.09.17 07:26:00 - [19] I for one am grateful for the warning. Though I hardly leave Empire space - 0.0 is a wee bit too dangerous to hunt in for a solo frigate flyer - I do on occasion grab my Stabber to hunt some bigger game. Curse is just around the corner, so: Cheers! mutters: "Gonna have to join a big Corp soon as obviously a small Corp will be left out with all the Alliances claiming non-Empire space..."
Lady Jaxx	Posted - 2003.09.17 07:26:00 - [20] Been flying in and out of curse most days for the last week and seen no Shinra, although I heard they took a potshot at a corp mate yesterday. Seen a few MASS hanging around (including Xen0?!) but they didn't shoot at me. Curse is open to anyone using normal caution for 0.0 space - Fountain this is not. Much more of an obstacle is RUS camping the superhighway chokepoint in Catch. Also if there is some corp/alliance that wants to make curse a closed area, aren't you making your job rather hard by not actually telling anyone? "University of Caille 0wnz 4ll j00 l4m3rz"
Lady Jaxx	Posted - 2003.09.17 07:30:00 - [21] Chai: Not at all, there's no way you could describe my corp as big and we're having lots of fun in curse, in fact the Angel Cartel got a bigger piece of us than Shinra Corp ever did, due to an embarrasing afk incident with an indy... "University of Caille 0wnz 4ll j00 l4m3rz"
Azimov	Posted - 2003.09.17 07:33:00 - [22] well i had no trouble blasting past embalmer last night in a thorax, you gotta love mwd www.tokyotoystore.co.uk
b0ksah	Posted - 2003.09.17 08:55:00 - [23] The Chaplain Smiles. "Btw there's two Curse Alliances .. just to confuse people even more " Compassion is not a sign of weakness .. !! -= Dumdidum =-
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:00:00 - [24] 2 Curse Alliances?? ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Leyla	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:08:00 - [25] ooo 2?! i'd like to find out more...
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:11:00 - [26] Ohh a Sin member I would like to find you hehe... ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Leyla	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:14:00 - [27] You may have your wish soon maybe Where do you hang out?
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:15:00 - [28] I move around looking for people who are up them selves to blow up. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:16:00 - [29] The reason I was in 0.0 space in an uninsured ship was because I had no money to insure it :P. I was going hunting to get the isk, it was a calculated risk that didn't pay off. Our members have been flying down that way for the last couple of weeks without incident so I wasn't too concerned. Again this is the reason for the post, had I know of a war I would of been way more cautious. You live and learn . As it happens there are 2 alliances in Curse. My understanding is that one is the Curse Conglomerate or Commonwealth or something - I forgot the title. I spoke to a guy from it called Fubie. These guys are not at war with Stain and do not guard gates or attack people needlessly. It was the Curse Alliance (and particularly Shinra) that took me out. Incidentally RUS have a non-aggression thing going with the Curse Alliance as they are after the Stain Alliance, so they are also floating about down there. Sods law that 15mins before my destruction I managed to do a double back warp to moons, then warp back to gate with mwd on to lose RUS and was feeling pleased with myself when I approached Shinra. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:20:00 - [30] Quote: Curse is open to anyone using normal caution for 0.0 space - Fountain this is not. True, however it is not the Curse Alliance that I am ***ed at, or even the fact that Shinra are guarding gates. Its the fact that I was destoyed for NO reason what-so-ever. A total waste. At least in Fountain they give you a warning to leave "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"*
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:20:00 - [31] Yeah well there is going to be a merge afaik and were planning on securing the region as you have probably already noticed. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:23:00 - [32] I always give a warning plenty of time before any shots are fired. Mind you the guys at the gate were extreamly trigger happy and didnt have many webbers so I guess they were worried u might try a run at the gate or just log. Its happened before. I'm a bit annoyed they didnt warn you though I will see if I can get this changed in the future so no more pointless ship losses. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Leyla	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:32:00 - [33] Would you give me plenty of warning Monk?
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:35:00 - [34] Nope Sin get killed on site... trouble is most of the time they just warp away or if they do get jammed they just log... ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Leyla	Posted - 2003.09.17 09:37:00 - [35] Ok cool, just wanted to know exactly where we stood.
Saladin	Posted - 2003.09.17 10:56:00 - [36] Quote: The reason I was in 0.0 space in an uninsured ship was because I had no money to insure it :P. I was going hunting to get the isk, it was a calculated risk that didn't pay off. Our members have been flying down that way for the last couple of weeks without incident so I wasn't too concerned. Again this is the reason for the post, had I know of a war I would of been way more cautious. You live and learn . As it happens there are 2 alliances in Curse. My understanding is that one is the Curse Conglomerate or Commonwealth or something - I forgot the title. I spoke to a guy from it called Fubie. These guys are not at war with Stain and do not guard gates or attack people needlessly. It was the Curse Alliance (and particularly Shinra) that took me out. Incidentally RUS have a non-aggression thing going with the Curse Alliance as they are after the Stain Alliance, so they are also floating about down there. Sods law that 15mins before my destruction I managed to do a double back warp to moons, then warp back to gate with mwd on to lose RUS and was feeling pleased with myself when I approached Shinra. Durandal, Do not think me unsympathetic to your situation, but the 50% insurance for an apoc would be about 5 mil (correct me if I am wrong). You could have made that much in 1-2 days mining (assuming 2 hours mining per day) in a 1.0 system. All my corpmates insured their battleships that way before taking them into the great unknown. Moreover, with the patch extending insurance time to 3 weeks, it becomes more apparent you should have waited. I know these words may be harsh, and hindsight is indeed 20/20. For that I apologize. I do have one suggestion though. Instead of mining another month for an apoc, mine 2 weeks for an armagaddon (almost 1/2 the price). Then use the arma to mine for 2 weeks for Apoc. This way if you lose the apoc again (hopefully this time it will be insured) then you wont have to mine for long to replace it. My philosophy has always been that having a good ship is always secondary to having the ability to replace it. I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003.
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 11:06:00 - [37] You are right of course, and it was simply because I was going insane mining that I left without getting the finance for insurance. I needed to do some hunting before the men in white jackets came to take me away. Like I said, a calculated risk that didn't pay off. However as it happens I was in an Armageddon and not an Apoc...it was 2 Apocs + Scorp that took me out, and I intend to get another armageddon. The difficulty is that with 700k and a pod mining takes a long time "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
CromO	Posted - 2003.09.17 11:10:00 - [38] Curse Alliance ? I know that a lot of pirate corps are in the region there, and Stain is at war with Curse. I dont believe that, if there is a Curse alliance, they blow up ships at the gate without a warning. Must be a pirate.
s0cks	Posted - 2003.09.17 11:13:00 - [39] All I ever see in these forums is how some alliance near stain (usually SA) has shot some1 without reason. Its all a load of horsesh*t. Make a propper alliance. Seems you have too many members abusing the alliance as so to act as pirates and get away with it.
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.17 11:59:00 - [40] I didn't knew there was a Curse alliance. I for one appreciate the warning, our corp has a office there and I was considering moving to that office... This warning and the fact that my corpmate told me that 15 MoO battleships warped into the system that houses our Curse office earlier this week just decided for me that I will not be moving into Curse... ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.17 12:11:00 - [41] Quote: Been flying in and out of curse most days for the last week and seen no Shinra, although I heard they took a potshot at a corp mate yesterday. Seen a few MASS hanging around (including Xen0?!) but they didn't shoot at me. Curse is open to anyone using normal caution for 0.0 space - Fountain this is not. Much more of an obstacle is RUS camping the superhighway chokepoint in Catch. Also if there is some corp/alliance that wants to make curse a closed area, aren't you making your job rather hard by not actually telling anyone? Yup. Xen0 is a nice guy and a good player, and he was very bored with the way Sinister played the game. So you'll see his sec rating rise again. Some RUS are usually camping in catch, most of all in 36N. These players are Radogor, Asma, JVOL and ONEGO. All of them use Scorpions with loads of hardeners. They usually run when we enter. But yesterday Asma was relieved from his Scorpion. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.17 12:14:00 - [42] Quote: This warning and the fact that my corpmate told me that 15 MoO battleships warped into the system... Considering M0o has 4 active players M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Grikl	Posted - 2003.09.17 12:52:00 - [43] Hey I see my name pop up again LOL yea you got me from that grid exploit ... its cool atlest i know where that grid line is now :) btw Mr Emblamer you wish YOU killed me lmao you forget the friends you havd with you? LOL try and take me one on one i would feed you your dog LOL any time any day boy
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:05:00 - [44] Edited by: Embalm3r on 17/09/2003 13:06:57 Quote: Hey I see my name pop up again LOL yea you got me from that grid exploit ... its cool atlest i know where that grid line is now :) btw Mr Emblamer you wish YOU killed me lmao you forget the friends you havd with you? LOL try and take me one on one i would feed you your dog LOL any time any day boy The time will come. Reason u used expoit on me first time was cus u were getting owned.
Grikl	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:10:00 - [45] silly silly boy energy drainers are not an exploit .... but you are more than welcom to try again :)
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:14:00 - [46] Edited by: Jash Illian on 17/09/2003 13:16:49 Quote: If their podding, the patch will fix their 'unearned' positive sec ratings. Eat My Shorts A troll is bad. An uninformed troll is worse. From Redundancy on the sec hits in 0.0 thread in Patch Review Quote: Apparently the patch note in question is not in fact the case, and was in error. (I have deleted it from the posted patch notes on this forum) An uniformed troll that doesn't know how to setup a sig...Well that's just pathetic. For the original poster and anyone that reads the thread: Best Policy in Non-Empire Space is Trust No One. Also applies to low sec empire space as I've had an Armageddon rip into me there. Though that was by mistake. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:30:00 - [47] Yup, trust absolutely noone. I ususally don't, but got sloppy this time, it was 2am after all "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Scragg	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:30:00 - [48] Edited by: Scragg on 17/09/2003 13:41:25 There is two groups in Curse. The Curse Aliance (the bad guys), and the Curse Coalition (the good guys). The Curse Coalition strives to keep the space lanes free of pirates, open for trade and defend it's members from attack. As far as the CC is concerned anyone is free to travel, trade, and hunt rats in Curse just so long as they don't commit acts of piracy or otherwise act like an *******. The Curse Alliance on the other hand supports and embraces pirate corps like the Red Corsairs and is effectively an outlaw pirate organization with a far different agenda than the CC for the Curse Region. Their main corp members are the Vengeance of the Fallen, the Red Corsairs (really just alts from VOTF who are to cowardly to run their entire organization at negative security), and Shinra. There is several other corps associated with CA but we have not seen them committing blatant acts of piracy like VOTF, RC and Shinra. The CC has remained silent and behind the scenes for quite some time now on purpose. There was no reason to go public since we consider Curse free and open space for all too freely travel and conduct trade in. The only people who need concern themselves with the CC are outlaws and scum (like the red Corsairs, VOTF and Shinra). We even tried to work with the CA buy just staying out of each others way but they changed the rules this weekend when they started shooting at CC members and now we consider VOTF, the Red Corsairs, and Shinra all pirates. Other CA memebers will not be targeted unless we see them commiting similar acts of piracy like VOTF, RC and Shin. We have seen RUS and Stain shooting at each other in Curse and have chosen to just leave them alone to settle their differences. So far neither group has harassed anyone in Curse Space that we know of besides each other. Well... except the other night when Stain chased several VOTF and Red Corsairs all the way back to their HQ and forced them to all log out. It looked like self defense to us so.. more power to Stain. Look for an official announcement from the Curse Coalition sometime soon regarding this situation. Scragg P.S. Durandal is not a plant CC had people in system when he got blasted by Embalm3r and Cyrus Virus from Shinra. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Jake Solnich	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:36:00 - [49] I forsee a great battle between the great alliances and all the excluded small corps and freelancers. The time will soon come to rise against these alliances who behave in this way. Fear not my brothers and sisters, we will rise against this tyranny and strike it down so that the free minded people of Eve can travel freely and safely! The battle may not be today or tomorrow but everyday that passes will we become stronger. These rotten deeds will not be forgetten... *I would rather die a free man than live as a slave.*
Scragg	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:43:00 - [50] I would tend to agree with you Jake. Thats why the CC was formed. To keep space free and safe for all and provide for our mutual defense. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
DJvGalen	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:49:00 - [51] Quote: Quote: This warning and the fact that my corpmate told me that 15 MoO battleships warped into the system... Considering M0o has 4 active players I wouldn't know, I don't mingle with pirate corps. Are you sure you don't mean MoO has 4 active forum members ? I'm still not going there though, if 2 of my corpmates who are not afraid of PvP stay docked because a massive fleet warped in and started to kill everything and one of my corpmates decides to try to break through and is podded before he leaves the system then I sure as hell have no business there. ------------------------------------------------ CCP please fix your patch so I can play with my corpmates again soon.
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 13:55:00 - [52] Quote: silly silly boy energy drainers are not an exploit .... but you are more than welcom to try again :) They are if they cause people to ctd. Why u get banned if it wasnt an expoit?
Radogor	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:09:00 - [53] Quote: Yup. Xen0 is a nice guy and a good player, and he was very bored with the way Sinister played the game. So you'll see his sec rating rise again. Some RUS are usually camping in catch, most of all in 36N. These players are Radogor, Asma, JVOL and ONEGO. All of them use Scorpions with loads of hardeners. They usually run when we enter. But yesterday Asma was relieved from his Scorpion. Dear dalman Us moves as you present the facts Yes it is valid ASMA yesterday the scorpion has lost when we three together attacked yours 6-8 ships, but there was it on fault of developers confirming these are screenshots are present, And at all because of valour of your pilots To accuse us of that that 3 scorpions do not wish to accept fight against your 24 ships silly THE NEXT PREVENTION FOR ALL IN SYSTEM 36N-HZ AND ADJOINING ARE LIABLE TO DESTRUCTION ONLY SA MEMBERS ________________________________________________ Sorry no speak Engl =) F1.F2.F3......F8 RUS-CORP ________________________________________________
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:12:00 - [54] Quote: Quote: silly silly boy energy drainers are not an exploit .... but you are more than welcom to try again :) They are if they cause people to ctd. Why u get banned if it wasnt an expoit? Because you are a silly boy crying at the GM's? Yea, energy drainers cause CTD. But it's damn hard to kill a scorpion running 6 or 7 hardeners without draining his cap. And that may be the reason why CCP hasn't officially banned usage of neutralizers. So, therefor they actually can't ban people for using them. And 2:nd, you obviously seem to know how to cause a CTD with drainers. And then you know damn well that Grikl could NOT cause a CTD. more on topic, good post Scragg M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Fubie	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:14:00 - [55] First I'd like to say yes, there are 2 Curse Alliances. The Curse Alliance is an alliance that allows pirate corps in like the Red Corsairs. The Red Corsairs also have a sub Corp called Vengence of the Fallen that they use as Alts for mining. So if you see either of these corps be very aware that you will be shot as they are very trigger happy. The Curse Alliance state they are locking down Curse. Well, good luck, they don't have the fire power or organization to do so, especially if the have guys killing off innocents and making enemies like with Durandal which I'll get into later. Then there is the Curse Coalition, The Curse Coalition is a group of corps dedicated to keeping one another safe from pirates and greifers. We do not shoot first unless shot upon. We are fairly organized and a good group of people. We are also not at war with Stain, or RUS or anyone for that matter. Even tho the CC & CA have a non aggression pact the Red Corsairs have shot members of the CC on many occassions, including myself. I have given all CC members permission to shoot Red Corsairs on sighte since they do not abide by the non aggression pact. The Red Corsairs especially look for lone indies to fire upon. so be watchfull. I would like to set the record straight on Stain & RUS members in Curse. We see both of these groups flying around all the time, they've even camped gates, but they have never fired on an innocent that we have seen. The CC do not have any pacts or alliances with Stain or RUS but we hold no hostilities toward one another either. Now what happened to Durandal was really messed up. We got a call that Embalmer and 2 of his cronies were blockading a gate. But one of my guys Was already flying thru that sector and was headed thru the gate they were camping, he was locked and fired upon, since he was outfitted for mining only he easily flew thru these guys and jumped. We had then heard that Durandal had lost his ships to these guys only minutes before. So I went to speak with these 3 gentleman. I spoke with Embalmer and here is the transcript of that conversation. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Embalm3r conversation Listener: Fubie Session started: 2003.09.16 23:21:39 ------------------------------------------------------------ Embalm3r > Howdy? Fubie > Will you guys be blowing up anymore innocent ships out here tonite? Embalm3r > nah im heading back to empire space soon Embalm3r > gonna log and get rdy for patch tomorrow Fubie > Why did you shoot this guy for no reason? Embalm3r > who? Fubie > Do you have his loot? Embalm3r > i dont no Fubie > Durandal. Embalm3r > think the nomad player took it Fubie > Why did you shoot him if he was no threat to you? Embalm3r > do u guys care bout stainer movin on to curse? Fubie > Yes, But why did you shoot Durandal for no reason? Embalm3r > curse alliance told us to lock down curse Embalm3r > i own the allaicen a favor so i did Embalm3r > my corp came and cleared all the stainers out of curse last night Fubie > Uh, NO! You shoot another innocent player & you will go on my K.O.S. list Embalm3r > err.. Fubie > We protect non pirate companies out here Embalm3r > dude.. thats not a good idea to start threats u know Embalm3r > we are not pirates Fubie > That is no threat... You podded someone for no good reason at all. You act like pirates, you'll be treated like pirates. Embalm3r > podded? Embalm3r > pirates pk Embalm3r > pirates have no reason to kill Embalm3r > we dont pk and we only kill with a reason Fubie > You just blew that guys ship for no reason at all! That IS pirate activity Embalm3r > u obvious have no idea how stain works Embalm3r > the reason they are so good in combat is thier spies Fubie > You know for sure he's a spy. Embalm3r > no i dont Fubie > Then do not shoot people. Embalm3r > but the allaicen cant risky spies getting into curse give back important info on our ships and positions Fubie > So your going to shoot everyone? Embalm3r > they all fly apoc and arma u know Embalm3r > they are nasty bastards Embalm3r > they are nasty pirates Embalm3r > and u dont want them here Embalm3r > and the alliance is doing what it must to stop them getting control over curse Embalm3r > we dont kill indys or frigs.. Embalm3r > they kill anything Fubie > You do not shoot innocent people...AT ALL FOR ANY REASON. Embalm3r > how can u tell who innocent and not? Fubie > EXACTLY Now your getting the picture... you catch on quick... Your out there just killing everyone you see, so that would make you look like a pirate & we hunt pirates. Embalm3r > fine hunt us if u must Embalm3r > but make it official if u do Fubie > If we hear of you killing innocent people, you will be hunted. Embalm3r > u hunt us.. we will have to do likewise Embalm3r > why u bother Embalm3r > our numbers gr8ly out number yours Fubie > Not a prob, We've been ve -------------------------
Fubie	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:16:00 - [56] Part 2 ------------------------ Embalm3r > our numbers gr8ly out number yours Fubie > Not a prob, We've been very good at hunting pirates. Embalm3r > yeah but u not fought whole curse alliance b4 im sure Fubie > Numbers mean nothing... It's tactics, and yours are flawed already. Embalm3r > lol Embalm3r > ok ok dude.. do what u must Embalm3r > but i smell an i tolf u so comming on Fubie > We will. Embalm3r > told* Fubie > Good luck And Safe Flying As you can see Embalmer is not the sharpest crayon in the box. his activities are seen as pirate activities to the CC and he will be shot on sight by the CC as a pirate. What really made me chuckle is when he said he was locking down curse... he was only gaurding 1 gate... These guys are griefers using the Curse Alliance to hide behind, they are not to be trusted. ----------------------------- -------------------------
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:17:00 - [57] Quote: Their main corp members are the Vengeance of the Fallen, the Red Corsairs (really just alts from VOTF who are to cowardly to run their entire organization at negative security), and Shinra. There is several other corps associated with CA but we have not seen them committing blatant acts of piracy like VOTF, RC and Shinra. That is the most RETARDED statement that could be made. First of all we are NOT pirates, and second VOTF is VOTF not Red Corsairs. The curse alliance was formed because of the pirates,Mass , Collective, M0o, Simister Corp, KOD Interstellar etc. AS for the other alliance CC or whatever the ** it is, we were at a non aggression and working with them until they called us for help. We came to help them with their call for aid only to be be gunned down without warning. Ask Cyndal ,scragg you are an idiot if you beleive any of what you posted. so when you want to talk about acts of piracy please keep it factual or dont post your dribble.(clutters up the forums to make you look important) As for Red Corsairs they may be pirates but I will say this they have changed!!! and you hunting them at any given time doesnt make for good relations (again ask cyndal). I think that your alliance has caused more harm than good in curse region, after all there are more corps in that region than just us, and they never get attacked. Most times there is always consultation who gets shot and who doesnt. And Curse is NOT closed LOL, we or no other alliance or corp owns EVE space. But in the recent events the alliance has become rather protective in its endeavors to protect curse members from *****s. So yes some mistakes happen, in war that happens also. Scragg if you post from now on at least know the facts before you post it makes you sound really dumb, if you think Im lying about any of this ask Cyndal your so called alliance leader, and also confirm with FA who we are, we are not Red Corsairs (LOL.
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:28:00 - [58] Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 14:32:39 Quote: First I'd like to say yes, there are 2 Curse Alliances. The Curse Alliance is an alliance that allows pirate corps in like the Red Corsairs. The Red Corsairs also have a sub Corp called Vengence of the Fallen that they use as Alts for mining. So if you see either of these corps be very aware that you will be shot as they are very trigger happy. Fubie LOL, you are as incorrect as Scragg,and just as uninformed. You fired upon us last night without provocation (VOTF) again ask cyndal. ( um who are pirates). seems to me that you are calling the kettle black here, Mr policeman. Um if you want confirmation about about VOTF ask technolisa from RUS about us or dark Empire and many other corps that we aided from pirates. So you have caused things like durandels plight of being shot by accident, so again keep yours facts straight. I talked with Durandel after it happened and will confirm that conversation. As for us not being trusted explain to the EVE community here how we were shot down by your allaince for no reason at all with a call of aid from your alliance ( hmmm cowardly eh ?) I luv how you guys post half*****ed truths, and half baked stories, and in your case all baked, as well as Scraggs.
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:30:00 - [59] Edited by: Embalm3r on 17/09/2003 14:32:20 Edited by: Embalm3r on 17/09/2003 14:31:47 Quote: As you can see Embalmer is not the sharpest crayon in the box. his activities are seen as pirate activities to the CC and he will be shot on sight by the CC as a pirate. What really made me chuckle is when he said he was locking down curse... he was only gaurding 1 gate... ----------------------------- Lmao. You try typin at 4am. and as for the blockin 1 gate thing.. u been livin in curse for how long? obviously not long enough to realise that to get into the greater part of curse u can only get there by passin thru the gate we were at.
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:34:00 - [60] Edited by: Durandal on 17/09/2003 14:39:36 OK, well I think this post has served its purpose . As you can see Curse is a bit hectic, more so than your average 0.0 space (by that I mean 0.0 non-alliance space). Hopefully those intending on travelling into curse will be a bit more cautious than normal now. Again I would like to say that Second Wave Inc is not associated with any of the alliances down there and are most definetely not spies, so please leave the other members of SWI who are down there alone. It may not be a good idea to attack us a second time. I also do not have a problem with either the Curse Alliance or Curse Coalition and thank both Fubie and Xirtamvotf for the time they took to chat with me after the incident. However, Shinra, I'm still **ed. You need to put the safety's on a bit I think. If you are worried about spies you could easily, easily** have asked me to stop and answer some questions before attacking. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:37:00 - [61] Can you beleive these guys Embalm3r? LOL red corsairs hehehe, maybe you could straighten out our crooked friends so called facts?
Grikl	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:39:00 - [62] getting bored of sindra note send 5 apocs up there to wipe out all of that ......hmmm corp? hmm wonder if you can call a 6 active member corp a corp ..... thinking ... hmmmm hell i donno to small for me to be bothered i guess
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:40:00 - [63] lol. First time i really bothered readin the forums.. i cant belive the ppl here lol. Also just to let people know.. votf and red crosairs are 2 seperate corps ... in no way are the the same members (alts etc)
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:42:00 - [64] Quote: getting bored of sindra note send 5 apocs up there to wipe out all of that ......hmmm corp? hmm wonder if you can call a 6 active member corp a corp ..... thinking ... hmmmm hell i donno to small for me to be bothered i guess Do so if u want. but only a couple of the members are in curse. might be why u got this 5 figue from. but sure.. come and play :)
Ishta'ka	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:43:00 - [65] Yeah don't shoot me plz :) --- --- No matter how fast light travels it finds the darkness always got there first, and is waiting for it. - Terry Pratchett
TerrorDactyl	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:45:00 - [66] Quote: Fubie LOL, you are as incorrect as Scragg,and just as uninformed. You fired upon us last night without provocation (VOTF) again ask cyndal. ( um who are pirates). seems to me that you are calling the kettle black here, Mr policeman. Um if you want confirmation about about VOTF ask technolisa from RUS about us or dark Empire and many other corps that we aided from pirates. So you have caused things like durandels plight of being shot by accident, so again keep yours facts straight. I talked with Durandel after it happened and will confirm that conversation. As for us not being trusted explain to the EVE community here how we were shot down by your allaince for no reason at all with a call of aid from your alliance ( hmmm cowardly eh ?) I luv how you guys post half*****ed truths, and half baked stories, and in your case all baked, as well as Scraggs. Fubie and the CC are good honest pilots that just want to provide protection for honest businessmen in the Curse Region. Fubie is a pilot of great integrity that I have known for quite some time. You guys in the CA are a bunch of cut-throat lowlife scumbags, pirates and corrupt pseudo politicians. I just hope the good people of the Curse Coalition cut you down like the rotten bamboo shoots you truly are
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:47:00 - [67] Your comments have hurt my feelings
Grikl	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:48:00 - [68] where is my weed wacker? damn how did i let the weeds grow so much
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:50:00 - [69] God. Why are we all talkin on the forums.. we are all so lame. im sure we should all be doing sumthing else but slaggin each other off during downtime.
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:52:00 - [70] Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 14:58:06 Quote: Fubie and the CC are good honest pilots that just want to provide protection for honest businessmen in the Curse Region. Fubie is a pilot of great integrity that I have known for quite some time. You guys in the CA are a bunch of cut-throat lowlife scumbags, pirates and corrupt pseudo politicians. I just hope the good people of the Curse Coalition cut you down like the rotten bamboo shoots you truly are Hehe terro yet another uniformed member that knows nothing, again have your CEO post here and deny that they they called for help, WE came and were shot down , talk about weeds, some black shoe polish there terro ? If you can confirm even 1 member of Red Corsairs in our group I will quit EVE. Secondly,how did you or your corp even come up this crap ? LOL . Your acts of stupidity arent even mentioned here , why ? So dont calll yourselves good guys when you arent cause you shot at VOTF for no valid reason, except for some dumbass thought that we are somehow Red Corsairs in disguise.
TerrorDactyl	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:58:00 - [71] The good folks of the Curse Coalition have been victims to random attacks from Red Corsair terrorist groups for weeks now. These flagrant acts of aggression against our brothers cannot be left unpunished. The RC pilots will cry out in anguish to the gods as they fry in their*****pits, and none shall hear their cry, none shall come to succour their suffering Book of Amarr 3:18
Uzael	Posted - 2003.09.17 14:58:00 - [72] Yeah I guess we should be doing something else, but seeing how you guys see fit to attack innocent players and then log when you see us comming I guess the slag on the board will have to do, it comes down to this. You have no honor, and no balls. "OH VTOF ISNT RC!!!" What a bunch of crap, so how is it that everytime ALL of VTOF logs off that ALL of RC logs in? I'll tell you why. Cause you guys ARE RC and you know your crap has gotten old in Curse and we are looking for you so you need a legit corp to do your mining and what not. Which denotes the fact that your arent very good at the pirate thing. Well I guess you would'nt be since you run if anything bigger than an indy comes and it aint 6 RC vs. 1 Indy. What a bunch of pussies. -------------- UZAEL
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:03:00 - [73] Quote: "OH VTOF ISNT RC!!!" What a bunch of crap, so how is it that everytime ALL of VTOF logs off that ALL of RC logs in? I'll tell you why. Cause you guys ARE RC and you know your crap has gotten old in Curse and we are looking for you so you need a legit corp to do your mining and what not. Which denotes the fact that your arent very good at the pirate thing. Well I guess you would'nt be since you run if anything bigger than an indy comes and it aint 6 RC vs. 1 Indy. What a bunch of pussies. Uz you are a dimwit as well, Ill tell you what ill log on right when the server comes up and will be on all day. And if Red corsairs comes on and we are on make a public apoligy here ok? The reason why I logged and RC didnt was because you had 6 BSs blocking the gate,LOL Thry got through I didnt have a chance in my indy, OMG you guys dont get out much do you? And you shoot at VOTF one more time and we will retaliate so do what you must.
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:09:00 - [74] I smell a challenge from uber scary nexus people.. guys get your ***** ass's outta scorps.. stop hiding behind ew. get a ship that can actually fight. thats one of the reasons i like mass and stainers mostly.. arnt afraid to get in combat the good old fashion way. fire with fire..
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:14:00 - [75] Quote: Thry got through I didnt have a chance in my indy, OMG you guys dont get out much do you? Why didn't you use your Scorpion instead? Quote: Embalm3r > u obvious have no idea how stain works Embalm3r > the reason they are so good in combat is thier spies /me hugs Embalm3r Quote: The curse alliance was formed because of the pirates,Mass , Collective, M0o, Simister Corp. Um if you want confirmation about about VOTF ask technolisa from RUS about us Ehm, I hope you know that RUS are allied with M0o and Sinister M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
TerrorDactyl	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:14:00 - [76] Quote: I smell a challenge from uber scary nexus people.. guys get your ***** ass's outta scorps.. stop hiding behind ew. get a ship that can actually fight. thats one of the reasons i like mass and stainers mostly.. arnt afraid to get in combat the good old fashion way. fire with fire.. I will write your apology on the hull of my ship in your blood. Oh yes, just wait until you see Uzael, that boy can fight the good old fashioned way - down 'n' dirty. Just ask Miriel, she used to fly an Apocalypse until she crossed us once too often.
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:17:00 - [77] Embalm3r I smell that bad richousness stink coming.
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:20:00 - [78] bout time this game actually got fun
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:22:00 - [79] As for Mass you guys attacked also for reason, and dont say we attacked first, or any member of this area cause you guys have been there for awhile without incident. Until you attacked us first, killing innocent indies? again ask Niteowl as him and several other members from Mass attacked without provocation. As for RUS, LOL they may be allied with them for very differant reasons. As far as I know they havent attacked 1 innocent player that has NOT attacked them first.
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:23:00 - [80] And all because of my little post Jeez, you would think that would be worth, hmm, say, 50mill isk to help me replace my lost ship. Incidentally, what loot did u take from me? I never got it back and was interested to see what I left you. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:25:00 - [81] Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 15:26:53 well Duranadel , this post was rather enlightening for you I hope and you see why what happened happened. These dweebs post BS about other corps to make themselves look good without any merit whatsoever.
Aston X	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:27:00 - [82] Cuyrse alliance, who? Do they think they are god or something? LMAO, who are they to close off a system to other respectable players. Hope stain alliance gives them what they deserve
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:28:00 - [83] Aston did you read the entire thread ? or are you just posting to post?
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:30:00 - [84] I know why what happened happened. I just wish it hadn't. And beside if embalm3r and Shinra do greatly outnumber the other curse corps they surely must have a spare 50mill to 'donate'. From loot along they must have made that much yesterday. Go on, what do you say. "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Embalm3r	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:37:00 - [85] lol. You get a 10 for effort dude. o0o0o server back up in a sec. no more forum posts for me :)
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:42:00 - [86] Didn't click on the link to my pic? Well, those red bars means formal war. So if you hang around with guys we are at war with in 0.0 space... M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Jerrod Syn	Posted - 2003.09.17 15:55:00 - [87] If there is any confusion about what Nexus Enterprises is, visit our homepage... Nexus Enterprises
Qobra	Posted - 2003.09.17 16:20:00 - [88] How come no one mentioned the third alliance in Curse ? Curse is a messy place cause its so open and because no one have claimed for control of it. It's 0.0 and close to other regions which are closed down. It WAS or still is a base of operation for some pirate corps. From reading the other post i figure whats makes a pirate, is NOT giving a warning before you attack. Yet, some people think its enough to say hey... we're here to kill pirates so we have the RIGHT to kill just about anyhting. What i think people need to do is define pirates. Are you a pirate if you claim a region and shoot anyone who enters ? Are you a pirate if you shoot a lonely miner ? Are you a pirate because you attack a player who'd blew your friend to pieces last night ? It's all about perception and the way YOU view the whole thing. Curse is like the wild west and if you travel there get ready for just about anything cause it looks like some people are trying to build up a situation around Curse.
Fubie	Posted - 2003.09.17 16:35:00 - [89] Quote: Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 14:58:06 Quote: Fubie and the CC are good honest pilots that just want to provide protection for honest businessmen in the Curse Region. Fubie is a pilot of great integrity that I have known for quite some time. You guys in the CA are a bunch of cut-throat lowlife scumbags, pirates and corrupt pseudo politicians. I just hope the good people of the Curse Coalition cut you down like the rotten bamboo shoots you truly are Hehe terro yet another uniformed member that knows nothing, again have your CEO post here and deny that they they called for help, WE came and were shot down , talk about weeds, some black shoe polish there terro ? If you can confirm even 1 member of Red Corsairs in our group I will quit EVE. Secondly,how did you or your corp even come up this crap ? LOL . Your acts of stupidity arent even mentioned here , why ? So dont calll yourselves good guys when you arent cause you shot at VOTF for no valid reason, except for some dumbass thought that we are somehow Red Corsairs in disguise. Just so you know, I am the CEO... I never called for help from you nor would I.. second Cyndal is my Fleet Admiral and has been out of game for a week. Oh, and 3rd, I am the Curse Coalition Leader. So stop posting that I called for help from you and Cyndal did this that or the other thing. -------------------------
Uzael	Posted - 2003.09.17 16:37:00 - [90] Edited by: Uzael on 17/09/2003 17:00:42 Edited by: Uzael on 17/09/2003 16:45:14 Quote: I smell a challenge from uber scary nexus people.. guys get your *** ass's outta scorps.. stop hiding behind ew. get a ship that can actually fight. thats one of the reasons i like mass and stainers mostly.. arnt afraid to get in combat the good old fashion way. fire with fire.. Yeah it would be a challange if you pussies didn't log every time we came after you. But instead you run like little girls. Oh and a scorp can fight, in fact its one of the best ships to have in a fight, the EW comment you made just proves your a *** and looking for excuses to run away... So scurry away now and log off little girl. Oh by the way Embalmer I love the part where you said you guys cased Stain out of Curse, I think EVERYONE knows you morons don't have the guns to do it, or the balls to even try it. But it will be interesting to see what stain says about you "Tough Guys" chasing them out. Maybe I'll go ask them how you guys "Chased them out" Im sure they will like the story. -------------- UZAEL
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:00:00 - [91] Fubie change your name to FUBAR ok ? Fits much better, and yes cyndal did ask and it did happen so stop your incessent BS how you are such good guys, and never make mistakes. Cause VOTF is VOTf and NOT Red corsairs you ****er.
Uzael	Posted - 2003.09.17 17:05:00 - [92] Edited by: Uzael on 17/09/2003 17:11:22 Edited by: Uzael on 17/09/2003 17:10:06 Quote: Fubie change your name to FUBAR ok ? Fits much better, and yes cyndal did ask and it did happen so stop your incessent BS how you are such good guys, and never make mistakes. Cause VOTF is VOTf and NOT Red corsairs you ****er. So I have a question, its about your name X. So if your Character is not an ALT then how did you get VTOF at the back of it? I mean surely its no conicidence that you just randomly put VTOF on the back of your name and then just happened to join a corp called Vengeance of the Fallen? Oh wait next your gonna say "We have always used that name." or once more with the "We are not the ALTs of Red Corsairs!". Or how about this, since your not pirates and dont run with pirates how about I post the picture we have of you and your buddies (At least 5 of them) all attacking one ship trying to approach the gate. OHHHH YEAH your trying to keep the area "Locked down" No what your doing is making excuses for being the greifer trash that you all are. So keep talking crap little boy we all know who ran away and logged last night, AND IT WASNT US. -------------- UZAEL
BobGhengisKhan	Posted - 2003.09.17 18:12:00 - [93] He logged because he was flying a bestower. And it's no coincidence he joined a corp whose title is in his name, he's the founder. None of the corsairs are in VOTF. We don't mine with alts, and we don't hide behind other names.
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 19:06:00 - [94] Quote: So I have a question, its about your name X. So if your Character is not an ALT then how did you get VTOF at the back of it? I mean surely its no conicidence that you just randomly put VTOF on the back of your name and then just happened to join a corp called Vengeance of the Fallen? Oh wait next your gonna say "We have always used that name." or once more with the "We are not the ALTs of Red Corsairs!". Or how about this, since your not pirates and dont run with pirates how about I post the picture we have of you and your buddies (At least 5 of them) all attacking one ship trying to approach the gate. OHHHH YEAH your trying to keep the area "Locked down" No what your doing is making excuses for being the greifer trash that you all are. So keep talking crap little boy we all know who ran away and logged last night, AND IT WASNT US. hehe your a truly a stupid moron, thats all i can think to say LOL
Moph	Posted - 2003.09.17 19:13:00 - [95] "Curse Alliance" is the best joke I've ever heard today :) hahahaha Hey :) I'm in Curse :)
Fubie	Posted - 2003.09.17 19:51:00 - [96] I never stated that the CC never makes mistakes, I would never do that. And when did I say that??? Where did you come up with that? Embalmer, I'm sorry if you thought my "sharpest crayon in the box" remark was about your spelling. It was not. I'm not the greatest speller either. The remark was aimed at your tactics. You know Stain has spies, so there for you shoot the hell out of everyone who you can. You shot at one of my guys after shooting Durandal. You never checked to see there was a non aggression pact in place, You saw a ship & you opened fire. That is extremly poor tactics. XirtamVotf, You keep stating that we shoot without asking questions first. That is just wrong. All of my members as well as the CC are under strict orders not to fire unless fired upon. Unless fired upon by the CA. My orders are to not fire on CA members even if you lose your ship. This way nothing can be said about who fired first. In the last week there have been 5 unprevoked attacks on CC members by both Red Corsairs and Vengence of the Fallen, not a single shot was fired in return. But I gave the order last nite that the Red Corsairs as well as the Vengence of the Fallen are to be hunted in force. We have asked repeatedly for the attacks to stop. they have not. We will no longer waite for the attacks on us or any innocent ships. -------------------------
Scragg	Posted - 2003.09.17 20:02:00 - [97] Quote: That is the most RETARDED statement that could be made. First of all we are NOT pirates, and second VOTF is VOTF not Red Corsairs. The curse alliance was formed because of the pirates,Mass , Collective, M0o, Simister Corp, KOD Interstellar etc. AS for the other alliance CC or whatever the ** it is, we were at a non aggression and working with them until they called us for help. I can see they did not make you spokesmen for your superior intellect or command of the English language. So you formed an alliance to drive pirates out but you let pirates into the Alliance. Now there is an interesting tact. Oh, and quit the bull** about RC not being pirates. They have fired on CC and non-CC members alike with no provocation. Most people call that piracy. I suppose when I see VOTF members logging out and a bunch of RC members logging in a few seconds later and vice versa it's just a coincidence. I suppose Bobgengiskahn constantly trying to get people to group with him as he flys though space is just so he can warp to them and give them a nice CA welcome to Curse. I canÆt believe the guy canÆt think of a better tactic then that! If Curse is not closed then I suppose the destruction of a lone battleship not affiliated in anyway to any corp that ever did you any harm by Shinra members who admitted their mission was to shut Curse down was pure fiction. You are right on point. The Red Corsairs have changed. They and those who support them are now an endanged species in Curse. Oh, that means you since you might have a problem making that logical connection. If you want to be pirates and support piracy I say go for it. Just go for it somewhere besides Curse because youÆre done here. Sorry man but your actions donÆt jive with your words. IÆm done talking with pirates and scum like you. Anything else I have to say to your kind is going to be coming from the business end of a Tachyon Gun. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Scragg	Posted - 2003.09.17 21:52:00 - [98] Quote: And all because of my little post Jeez, you would think that would be worth, hmm, say, 50mill isk to help me replace my lost ship. Incidentally, what loot did u take from me? I never got it back and was interested to see what I left you. Sorry for your loss man. I wish CC could have helped you. I'm not in a position to replace your ship but once you get one I'd be happy to donate some equipment to get you going again. Contact me in game and I'll hook you up. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Scragg	Posted - 2003.09.17 21:52:00 - [99] Edited by: Scragg on 17/09/2003 21:52:26 nt double post somehow Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Dethor Gory	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:10:00 - [100] Wow, did I ever pick a good time to take a few days off, cya all soon
bullwyff	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:24:00 - [101] you just have to love this pic :)
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:32:00 - [102] Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 22:41:31 Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 22:35:49 Hahahah Scragg the dimwit, you will be the one looking down the barrel i guarantee it. As for you not shooting unarmed people thats BS , like i said dimwit, ask cyndal your away leader LOL. as she was the one that called for help and we came to help and were gunned down at the gate. So bite me, as for us being accused of being red corsairs thats a laugh. Ill tell you what big mouth, i give you and any GMss of your choosing to look at IPs and and confirm your stupid ass statements that are ridiculous. If they are are true i will ask the entire EVE community to attack us at will, and i will resign from EVE. If your wrong you do the same hows that big mouth ? Quote: Sorry man but your actions donÆt jive with your words. IÆm done talking with pirates and scum like you. Anything else I have to say to your kind is going to be coming from the business end of a Tachyon Gun. oooo so scary LOL Quote: In the last week there have been 5 unprevoked attacks on CC members by both Red Corsairs and Vengence of the Fallen, not a single shot was fired in return. But I gave the order last nite that the Red Corsairs as well as the Vengence of the Fallen are to be hunted in force. Your intell will be your undoing we havent had any fights with anyone in a week except Mass and collective as they will vouch for, hhmmm lets ask trigger of mass, he sure as hell aint our friend ... so that would be a good monotor of the facts. And as usual you are uninformed and ill informed.
Sidus	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:44:00 - [103] Quote: Edited by: Sc0rpion on 17/09/2003 06:39:26 Seriously though, why were you flying around in 0.0 space in an uninsured battleship with several hundred thousand isk worth of skills not in a secure container? OMFG that is the funniest thing I have ever seen... Ever... ________________________________________________ "Alle warten auf das Licht - f³rchtet euch f³rchtet euch nicht - die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen - sie wird heut Nacht nicht untergehen - und die Welt zõhlt laut bis zehn"
TRIGGER	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:45:00 - [104] Stain is NOT at war with any ammount of alliances which are present within that region. The only reason our forces go there are to fight 1 or 2 of the corps that reside there that have previously opened fire on alliance shipping. We wish no harm or and have no intentions of destroying any corps within Curse other than those who know we are after. It is possible that one or two innocent ppl will be caught in crossfire , and with that goes our apologies. We will work with any corps interested in cleaning Curse to make it a pirate free zone.
ZYXES	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:45:00 - [105] mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fight fight
Dethor Gory	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:51:00 - [106] "I suppose when I see VOTF members logging out and a bunch of RC members logging in a few seconds later and vice versa it's just a coincidence." The short answer is yes, if I believed you for one second, which Incidentally, I don't.
XirtamVotf	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:52:00 - [107] Edited by: XirtamVotf on 17/09/2003 22:53:54 Hello trigger, tell these dimwits that we have been fighting with guys for at least a week ok? ther the stupid allinace we were talking about that makes **** up as they go.... to fire upon people that arent even armed. We cant fight you and them at the same time LOL in the same time frame whos lying?
Dethor Gory	Posted - 2003.09.17 22:58:00 - [108] So why are these guys lying about us? Just politics I guess. Only the Iraqi Information Minister knows the real truth
Anubis iv	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:04:00 - [109] omg what a bunch of noobs, the rc being votf comment is just foolish, to have alts all in battleships and on the same times would be rather hard to pull off and this "we keep seeing rc log off and votf log on" crap is exactly that "crap" As for us being alts well votf is an old guild it stands for vengeance of the fallen and thats from a game known as neverwinters nights which if you know anything about games was out along time before eve. As for some of our members having votf in their name well maybe just maybe they played beta had the corp there and then remade the corp in release compared to you noob corp members in your noob corps Also this "curse coalition are the goodies and curse alliance are the baddies" omg put the jelly beans down and go grow a pair we've killed innocents your telling me you havent? because you guys paid xirtam 7 million isk because your dumb pilots shot him after your so called "fleet admiral" asked him to come help. That my friends makes you look like fools. And whichever mass grunt posted the screenshot with the battleship fight thats very nice btw i just wana know how hombrey (the guy top of your gang list in the screeny) feels after being blown up by me and nomads in a 2v2 bs battle? because apparently me being votf im a "mining alt char" so obviously RC mining alts are better than the normal SA members lol in which case you guys must be noobs. OH and congrats SA your armas seem to run faster than any i've seen lol very fast there "narcotic" Oh and one question all the screenshots show our guys in scorpions 99% of the time why would "mining alts" fly scorps out of any battleship? Curse alliance has one pirate corp which when you guys talk about them you usually say you see them mining the rest arent pirate corps and VOTF for one hasnt fired on another corp without being fired on first. This is including "curse coalition" members thats why you guys gave xirt 7 million or did it just fall out of your wallets? As for Mass... oh sorry "MASS" and SA if you guys stopped putting trigger happy noobs in battleships and teach them how to spot the difference region names or just plain spell s.t.a.i.n and c.u.r.s.e then maybe they would stop wandering out of stain and into curse thinking they are all mighty and then i wouldnt have to go podding your noobs and using the what remains of your bs to fit my own
Fubie	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:06:00 - [110] Hmmmmmm, VOTF and RC haven't attacked anyone unprevoked??? Well, as you can see when you bring up the following link the RC, Shinra, & how do you do The VOTF are firing on a lone ship.. and guess what else, this was taken while a non aggression pact was in place... Hmmm, I guess a picture is worth a thousand words... VOTF " we don't fire on innocent ships" Ok Lucy, Splain that one! -------------------------
Fubie	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:11:00 - [111] Uh, Mr. Anubus sir, The corp that fired on the SA member was not part of the CC and we never paid a dime... Uh, so try again please. -------------------------
Uzael	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:15:00 - [112] Edited by: Uzael on 17/09/2003 23:24:30 Truely your arrogance will be your down fall Anubis iv (what happened to the other three? I would guess dead because they shot their mouths off) I mean what kind of fool comes on here and insults SA? We know enough to respect them and the power they wield. I personally have never had a problem with them and I would like to think its because when we do run across one another both sides show proper respect for one another. You however have respect for nothing and I truely believe it will be the down fall of you and your corp. Further more, your story about the indy doesnt make sense, we haven't, nor would we pay you any sum of money for your ship. The way I hear it your pilot screwed up and shot the wrong ship then attempted to blame it on us and make money off of it, by lying to our CEO and blaming a member of our corp that had been out of game for almost three weeks. So it would seem that you were lied to, which means even your own corp mates and allies don't respect you enough to tell you the truth. Which is very sad indeed. -------------- UZAEL
Anubis iv	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:17:00 - [113] LOL dude look at the screeny the inocent ship was camping the gate with another 2 bs shame we had alot more than 2 that scorp was just the slowest runner as for paying a dime no dude it was 7 mil for a maller you guys shot after asking for its help Tell me this if that ship was a goody goody why didint it jump? it had to run because it had commited a hostile act to one of the cruiser in the group nice move there consider it explained.
Anubis iv	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:24:00 - [114] The downfall of my corp lol dude few questions to your reasoning: 1. is votf killing people in stain? no 2. is sa killing people in curse? yes 3. who shot who first? sa shot votf/curse aliance 4. who was camping the gate in the above sceeny? not votf but your so called innocent ship lol with his 2bs buds and why were we exiting the system? because Don Carlos and another 6 bs came into the system chasing down our ships which werent all bs we were leaving and were fired on by the camping battleships so guess what we fired back
Uzael	Posted - 2003.09.17 23:30:00 - [115] Edited by: Uzael on 17/09/2003 23:31:01 Why is SA shooting at you guys if your innocent pilots, further more I dont appreciate you saying Flum was gate camping, because you know he wasnt and so do I. It is clear that you guys like to lie about the facts and its catching up to you now. My suggestion would be to quit treading water and admit what you are. Because frankly, at this point all your doing is showing people you are bad liars and cannot own up to what you have done, this is not the behavior of an honorable person, it is the behavior of a child. -------------- UZAEL
Dobbo	Posted - 2003.09.18 02:31:00 - [116] Ya, that's it exactly, explain to us why the Stain Alliance is gunning for you and not us.... have a nice day --------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------
Condemner	Posted - 2003.09.18 02:32:00 - [117] Wow where to start where to start well i'll start here for 1 we have only tried to move pirates out of curse since we moved in we fought moo in our cruisers when they has BS's and lost a few ships but we tried atleast where any others in the area just ran or moved out of curse secondly having alts in BS's would be quite an involved plan to have ppl with multiple chars and all in BS thats some damn good training useage...... and u may say multiple accounts well fine u think we all have multiple accounts and play as RC and mine as Votf yes in the screenie posted anubis xirtam bob dethor and gresil a mix of RC and Votf how do u explain that as for Votf being miner alts aswell scorps aren't the best miners try a different angle also we have tried to stop fighting in curse we just want to mine and build and be free from getting attacked granted ppl get shot over accidents and it happens move on as for RC being pirates they hunted moo and sinister in low empire space maybe thats y they have low sec hmm????? as for CC i have no idea what ur saying about us attacking u i never attack ne1 till attacked or a friend is attacked we have helped noob corps moving in to mine with us we provide overwatch for our miners and let them enjoy the cover without shooting them now thats acts of piracy if i've ever seen them Wow got us there as for locking things down we are only trying to do so against pirates and ppl that shoot any1 in the area for no reason or attack miners and such it's just pathetic for ppl to shoot miners and indies as for greskil he and his buddy did use the CTD exploit in obe and he was subsequently banned for awhile because of it and a chatlog where he said he used the exploit not sure what i haven't covered anyway i'll check in i love arguments patiently waiting for replies Condemner member of VOTF
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.18 09:12:00 - [118] Hmmm, this thread seems to have gone a bit off topic now . Talk about a can of worms. As far as this argument goes I can't really comment on who shoots who other than to say that I find it a bit hard to swallow when members of the Curse Alliance claim not to shoot innocent pilots or anyone for that matter unless fired upon first. You individually may not but the alliance has . Something you may want to sort. Progress Update: Back into a Punisher, might get a cruiser again soon "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.18 09:31:00 - [119] Edited by: The Monk on 18/09/2003 09:33:03 I remember ages ago when i went into Stain space and was attacked by stain without warning. This was a long time ago before i even knew the stain corps etc. Thing is now we have set up the curse alliance and are stopping them from entering they get all shirty about it acusing us of being pirates and griefing etc. We are definatly not pirates all of us in ShinRa have high + sec ratings and we dont go around randomly killing innocents we just try to protect our bit of space. We have been in curse for some time now traveled out here pretty soon after eve was released its our home and we dont like letting in players that want to cause trouble (stain included) We will protect curse from you stainers as we dont like your attitudes. You may think your gods gift stain but we would be happy to prove otherwise. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.18 09:40:00 - [120] I'm guessing thats not a reply to my post. I hope it isn't as I'm not a stainer or a pirate or causing trouble (well except for creating the thread, lmao ) "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
The Monk	Posted - 2003.09.18 09:44:00 - [121] Im glad u did create this thread. I think peoples views need to be aired. ----------------------- ╔╤╗╒╕╔╕║║/ ║│║╘╛║╘╝║\ -----------------------
Majin Buu	Posted - 2003.09.18 10:13:00 - [122] BoB KillBoard
illuminati	Posted - 2003.09.18 11:10:00 - [123] Quote: Embalm3r > my corp came and cleared all the stainers out of curse last night ...bla... Embalm3r > dude.. thats not a good idea to start threats u know Embalm3r > we are not pirates Yeah, me an my hom3s cleared out all da stains, then we went and smacked RUS and Evolution a bit since they are all random sheep, uhm I think. We later proceeded to******everyone in CFS, SPC and Concord and all this using 5 battleships. Keep it up man, I cant stop laughing PS everything Shinra people say is true and there are no Americans near Bagdad, we are killing them like sheep.
b0ksah	Posted - 2003.09.18 11:19:00 - [124] The Chaplain looks troubled. "Can't we get a mod to close this thread, it have gone beyond silly and stupid. It's only a flame thread where people launchers personal attacks at the others, now." Compassion is not a sign of weakness .. !! -= Dumdidum =-
trong	Posted - 2003.09.18 11:20:00 - [125] hi all
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.18 11:56:00 - [126] LOL b0ksah, I'm pretty sure I said this thread had served its (original) purpose way back on page 3. Its taken on a life of its own now. But if you think about it, the amount of time all the people from Curse are spending here must mean the region is empty and therefore safe just now, lmao "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2003.09.18 12:49:00 - [127] It is rare that you see a posting from my side here. We experienced blocked gates in Curse, too. And yes, there was shooting before talking - not much losses, just a mammoth. Once contacted, the locals were reasonable and negotiations could start. The warning is good anyways, a rare occasion I have to thank an amarr. ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
Anubis iv	Posted - 2003.09.18 15:50:00 - [128] People seem to have twisted this thread from its original purpose made by a person who seems to be sensible just trying to display the obvious fact curse is dangerous i'd utterly agree this has been the reason the curse alliance was formed and remined secret for along time until some other curse like alliances like the coalition tried doing the same. Why some people like nexus and other curse coalition members chose this thread as an oppurtunity to childishly advertise themselves as goodies and try and make us look like baddies lol seems far beyond me anyone reading this thread from a neutral point of view is hardly going to think its so black and white. Votf and probably anyother curse alliance members are here to defend themselves from lame comments like votf are rc mining alts and your pirates etc etc when as we've stated votf hasnt fired on anyone who hasnt fired on us first or our allies when we have been present. Pointless screenshots of us firing on a scorp who is sat on top of a gate (he was camping with 2 others) isnt going to "prove" anything for either side. Like i said since "I" was there and anyone with eyes can see hes sat ontop of the gate facing the place people warp in from in a pvp battleship you can say he wasnt camping but why else does a scorp and 2 other bs sit at a gate and shoot cruisers facing the way you fly in from? As for MASS and SA the reasons they are trying to hurt us is because they tried it a first time throwing their weight around and they took a bigger hit for it now they want revenge thats why they shoot at us SA fired on and killed one of our bestowers 1 bestower vs 7 battleships (in our space aka curse with no warning) that was the first words/shots ever used they also killed a scorp 8 battleships against 1 scorp LOL. Us we've killed more of their bs than one and made alot run away for such a big alliance lol and when we killed them we dont outnumber them 8 to 1 we do it on more even terms. The ships we fire on generally arent indys with no weapons. So why CC think they can turn a thread from a warning into a slaggin match because they cant keep up in game just seems childish to me. It would take one foolish alliance to go around calling another pirates when they fired the first shots (on a ship you asked to come help you) And if your wondering why SA are firing on us well i explained why because they thought they could come into curse and treat it like stain and shoot an indy with no backlash So just remember one thing both CC and SA fired the first shots against CA and CA has taken more isk off you guys in ships than you have off us lol No matter how much you whine and post those facts will remain the same.
Skelator	Posted - 2003.09.18 19:10:00 - [129] Quote: Quote: Edited by: dalman on 17/09/2003 01:51:53 There is a Curse Alliance? And they are at war with us? lol, some of us just go to Curse for fun sometimes, since there are lots of pirate corps hanging around. Well, when they don't use the grid exploit they are mostly running edit ooops, look, there is some of them Lmao! i hope u are aware that i got grikl from mass banned only a few weeks ago cus he used expoits on me. As for the we travel there for fun bit.. im sure grikl found it fun when i blew up his apoc only they other night ago. Embalmer.. You have Attacked and podded a Knight of GreySkull yesterday for no reason other then he was going to jump from the gate you were camping. He even opened communincations with you after the podding and came in a velator to try to see if it was a misunderstanding which was the Honorable thing to do. You podded him again (Velator= massive threat to you I suppose). Shows your not very honorable but I have heard from Good corps in the region you only attack when the odds are 4 to 1 in your favor.. and run when they are even... Well this will be a interesting upcoming 6 months huh? They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Rising Sin	Posted - 2003.09.18 23:06:00 - [130] I swear, I'm gone a week and my favorite region goes to hell. Did someone put acid in the Curse water supply or something? -- "If they're shooting at you, you know you must be doing something right."
Durandal	Posted - 2003.09.19 00:55:00 - [131] Damn Skelator. Pity your corp mate didn't read this thread. It was kinda the whole point to it. And to Shinra, this sucks. Don't claim you are not pirates or pk'ers when you continually destroy innocent ships. What was it this time, another spy or was he making a run for the gate as well. Or just another 'mistake' . "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
Macumba	Posted - 2003.09.19 01:02:00 - [132] Curse is a little unstable at the moment. Trigger fingers are itchy. If you have any doubts about whether you'll get attacked - don't go up there. "PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf
Raudka	Posted - 2003.09.19 01:04:00 - [133] Quote: The benefit for the Curse Alliance would be obvious, making a name for themselves and keeping people out of there, think before you post... Don't worry about Danton Marcellus, he's a forum troll -- Champion of user friendlieness and proper information distribution Defender of newbies EVE knowledgeBase
Jasmine Darken	Posted - 2003.09.19 01:11:00 - [134] Well isn't the Stain Alliance to blame for the whole thing .. they scared the CA into a trigger happy frenzy There's is a Black Sheep in every Corp ...
dalman	Posted - 2003.09.19 01:13:00 - [135] Quote: Well isn't the Stain Alliance to blame for the whole thing .. they scared the CA into a trigger happy frenzy M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Jasmine Darken	Posted - 2003.09.19 01:49:00 - [136] Who else to blame ? The Stain Allaince is nothing more than big fat war hungry snakes ... There's is a Black Sheep in every Corp ...
Majin Buu	Posted - 2003.09.20 17:15:00 - [137] damn who have u been talking to? BoB KillBoard
Keatius Jewelart	Posted - 2003.09.22 17:54:00 - [138] WEll, its been so long, but the CA is a great bunch of intelligent people to get along with. I admit my corp basically sucks right now(guess I won't be getting a promotion for this,lol), but after a week trying to build down in Curse region, I've basically come to these conclusions: 1)Some secret alliances are rude and could care less about what happens in Curse between the SA and CA/CC, and until it grudges them directly their corp won't do anything except try to be pain in the asses to other corps for their own gain and prophet- this doesn't include all the free enterprise manufacturing corps.(Worstof all this blabbering is that eventhough these ³nknown corps don't like pirate corps in CA, they still give and lend their support like weasels and really just want their name to be in good standing with the winning party. 2) Ok, Xirtavolf-your a great guy-but why is Sinister and Moo in Alliance in first place? Did all corps vote them in? Does anybody want them around in any alliance? Can Curse not defend itself without their help? If SA doesn't want them, and Stain doesn't want them, then who are they fighting for? Red Corsairs are atleast not PK'ing people in fact-before they warn them, and since they haven't fired on me I atleast give them the benefit of a doubt. But why doesn't SA, and all the Curse Alliances just totally concentrate on going after Sinister/Moo? Am I missing something? 3) There are more CA's then blondes at the beach, so can we get a correct post of the true CC and CA? 4) There are three kinds of people playing this game: Those who can help you, those who can hurt you, and those that are just out for themselves-so which category would you want to be in? Why do I want to risk being PK'd(by Icho) if they won't atleast give u a chance in hell?-and associated with that? I admit I even have a good friend in Shinra now, but I don't want to tell him how ruthless Sinister is-unless they are in together a secret alliance. 5) Will SA really "take over Curse", lol? I might just want to join them with CA and CC joins, then Everbody can all go after the rest of the universe, lol. We can call ourselves- The Regulators. Ok, that is my two cents-
Daesdemona	Posted - 2003.09.22 17:58:00 - [139] still here huh? ----------------------------------------------- Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?" Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't" -----------------------------------------------

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