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Chimay
Release The Kraken Architecture
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Posted - 2014.02.21 15:02:00 -
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Happens to a lot of us, just have to take what you can from the experience and move forward. You got a lot of value of this transaction is a way of looking at it. From now on, you will read and review everything very carefully and take it slow before proceeding with any Contracts. This is a great thing, you can chalk up this loss and move forward with greater experience.
In terms of the GÇ£greedGÇ¥ comments, ItGÇÖs a staple response that in most cases doesnGÇÖt fit the situation that actually happened. Basically efficiency, intended purpose, = misguided interpretations of greed.
Examples:
A miner - I got ganked in my hulk GÇ£You had a MLU fitted, GREEDGÇ¥.
Space trucker - GÇ£You had over 100m worth of stuff in it, GREEDGÇ¥.
Gambler - GÇ£He double my isk 6 times, so I increased the amount and took a gambleGÇ¥ GÇ£GREEDGÇ¥.
Me Gǣ I ordered hot wings anGǪ. GǣGREEDGǥ
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
3775
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:17:00 -
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I'll be sure to tell my friends about this thread- chances are one of them was on the other side of the trade. 
Trading in Eve is very different from trading in real life, which is why I support an expansion just for the market.
In the real world, most people would not have even seen the margin buy order because minimum quantity or all or none orders would not even be displayed. Margin mechanics in real life would not cause a buy order to fail upon being matched with a seller. There would be lots more tears for other effects though.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1858
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:00:00 -
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You lost your isk because you based the value of a good on an anomalous buy order, rather than any knowledge of the inherent value of a product. You took a huge risk trading in something you knew little about, and this is the pitfall. If you examine what you actually buy (ie what it actually does for your ship), and examine the available price history, it should be abundantly clear that the item itself is worthless. You broke a cardinal rule of trading, which is to know your product. You relied on the advice and reports of others to make your decision, and lost because they were intended specifically to mislead. You were excited by the possibility of capitalizing on the mistake of another, and walked right into a trap because of it. You have no one to blame but yourself.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
125
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:05:00 -
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Price history is there for a reason, use it. Stop being so greedy (coming from me lol) you are lucky you got off so cheap. Small price to pay for an important lesson. In the long run that will not be a lot of isk (I fat fingered an order and lost almost 4b a month or 2 ago and I didn't even blink) so don't ragequit over it you learn and move on. |
Qalix
Long Jump.
127
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Posted - 2014.02.21 18:51:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Yes welcome to eve
Don't like it? Stay out, we don't need you.
You got taught a valuable lesson.
No, it's this kind of attitude we don't need. If you guys don't wake up and start finding ways to quell your troll impulses and help bring the noobs along, this game will continue its slow decline. We've finally gotten a big pulse of new players; please don't **** it up for everyone else.
Raw seems to have struck a nice balance. If the guy keeps whining even after the situation is explained to him, THEN jump down his throat. |
Inka Heluene
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.21 21:19:00 -
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I do like how these threads pop up every so often complaining about people scamming new players, it is rather ironic that the poor scam'd newb was in fact trying to take advantage of someone else's misfortune of screwing up a buy order in the first place. In the end doesn't that make the scamee as bad as the scamer? |
Billy Sastard
Life. Universe. Everything.
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2014.02.21 22:18:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Yes welcome to eve
Don't like it? Stay out, we don't need you.
You got taught a valuable lesson. No, it's this kind of attitude we don't need. If you guys don't wake up and start finding ways to quell your troll impulses and help bring the noobs along, this game will continue its slow decline. We've finally gotten a big pulse of new players; please don't **** it up for everyone else. Raw seems to have struck a nice balance. If the guy keeps whining even after the situation is explained to him, THEN jump down his throat.
Wait... 'slow decline'... What?
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Looks to be holding fairly steady for quite a while to me...
Then again, EVE has been dying since I started playing back in 2005, right? |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1850
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Posted - 2014.02.21 22:46:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:It is the greedy that get scammed.
If you're 3 weeks into the game, why do you need that much isk?
What kind of dumb statement & question are these? |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
742
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Posted - 2014.02.22 12:30:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:It is the greedy that get scammed.
If you're 3 weeks into the game, why do you need that much isk? What kind of dumb statement & question are these?
Almost all eve scams work by harnessing the marks greed. Market scams especially. Margin trading one in particular.
I hope this settles the first part of your question.
3 weeks into the game you will have very few SP. Most people will be either improving their skills for a cruiser /BC and moving gradually to a T2 fit or mining in a retriever. Maybe flying around in a heron and scanning. Possibly flying a t1 frig in fleet warfare or possibly flying a firetail as tackle in PVP. Maybe even ganking in a destroyer.
All these options require a few tens of million at most. I honestly can't think of a ship that a 3 week old player should even think of flying that costs more.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Tzaki Boon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.02.22 13:42:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.
And honestly even though I am 3 weeks old I love making in game money even if I have no use for it. I sit around and train skills, would be nice to train skills work the market and in 6 months from now have a sweet ship with plenty of high end upgrades that keep it alive.
I can use a Raven right now, but if I hop into one I have low lvl rigging and cant use most of the tech 2 mods. I would get raped! So I train up stuff and play the market. Sucks that I blew like about 30 bucks in isk.
If I was scammed by a player interaction then that's one thing. But this is stupid, it seem like more of an exploit.
You just said it yourself, you don't understand the market. So you were gambling and you lost. Did you really think you could make a billion isk on one trade?
Consider it a lesson learned, join a corp and play with players that have been playing for years and can help you. |
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Obunagawe
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Posted - 2014.02.22 14:09:00 -
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Billy Sastard wrote:Qalix wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Yes welcome to eve
Don't like it? Stay out, we don't need you.
You got taught a valuable lesson. No, it's this kind of attitude we don't need. If you guys don't wake up and start finding ways to quell your troll impulses and help bring the noobs along, this game will continue its slow decline. We've finally gotten a big pulse of new players; please don't **** it up for everyone else. Raw seems to have struck a nice balance. If the guy keeps whining even after the situation is explained to him, THEN jump down his throat. Wait... 'slow decline'... What? http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityLooks to be holding fairly steady for quite a while to me... Then again, EVE has been dying since I started playing back in 2005, right?
PLEX price is the real indicator of how healthy the game is in terms of new players arriving, not the peak player counts. New players provide PLEX, old players consume PLEX. A high player count can be (and indeed I believe is) indicative of simply a proliferation of PLEX-subbed alts of old players. Certainly the recent increases in the player count have been synchronous with a rise in PLEX price. If these new arrivals were legitimately new players then the PLEX price should have dropped as the new players buy PLEX to fund their in-game actions.
Telling people like the OP to quit EVE is like killing the golden goose (although that analogy breaks down when you realise the only reason that you are telling him to quit EVE is out of your own malice rather than any expectation of gain). |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1866
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Posted - 2014.02.22 16:42:00 -
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Obunagawe wrote:New players provide PLEX, old players consume PLEX.
Its not quite so cut and dried.
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Hrothgar Nilsson
432
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Posted - 2014.02.22 17:04:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit.
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Do you think this was a scam?
Is this the real reason you wanted the 300-500mil uncollateralized loan?
Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:I have been making some profit off of a few ores buying low selling high, however my profit is very low since I am not able to purchase high amounts. I recently purchased 100k in ore at 55 a unit and sold it for 58 a unit netting a 30k profit. This is nice but I am looking for a loan of up to 500mill. My plan is to purchase very large quantities of ore and sell them for a much larger profit.
I may be new but I do know how to play the market.
So I think I can make at the very least 2bill in 2 months and will pay you 15% of what I make, so when I make 2billion isk for example you will get your initial 500m plus 300m, if I am making WAY more than that than it only go's up.
If for some reason I cannot live up to my end of the deal I will pay back the loan in full, but that is very unlikely
What do you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
372
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:49:00 -
[44] - Quote
Thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment.
ISD Tyrozan
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
@ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1239
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:04:00 -
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Quote:
Scammed out of 840million isk (great way to welcome new players)
You got scammed and are mad about it. If it had happened to me I would have thought "holy crap! I can scam someone out of a billion isk once I have this figured out."
Eve is unfair. You can either be the one having the unfair done to you, or you can be the one doing the unfair.
I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Christian Lionbate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:24:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit. Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it. Someone posted in local "to bad I don't have money to buy this, look at the market error (link to item)" Now all the other buy orders are below 150mill, making me think that maybe he tried to do 250mill in a buy order and added an extra 0 by accident making it 2.5 billion. I think he purchased all of them off of the market then puts them up their at inflated prices, then makes a stupid sell order that may catch someone off guard, like me. Now I could only buy one so now I cannot sell it back to him to make my money back because I would need 3 of the said item. So basically if he got them for a lot cheaper he just made profit on me and I cannot get it back because of how he has it set up. Now I am not even sure if I can resell this item for even 750mill, unless someone else see this little scheme and has the money to fall for it. Basically making me have to then link, " look at this market glitch" man this is ******* stupid  Do you think this was a scam?
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Christian Lionbate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.02.22 22:27:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit. Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it. Someone posted in local "to bad I don't have money to buy this, look at the market error (link to item)" Now all the other buy orders are below 150mill, making me think that maybe he tried to do 250mill in a buy order and added an extra 0 by accident making it 2.5 billion. I think he purchased all of them off of the market then puts them up their at inflated prices, then makes a stupid sell order that may catch someone off guard, like me. Now I could only buy one so now I cannot sell it back to him to make my money back because I would need 3 of the said item. So basically if he got them for a lot cheaper he just made profit on me and I cannot get it back because of how he has it set up. Now I am not even sure if I can resell this item for even 750mill, unless someone else see this little scheme and has the money to fall for it. Basically making me have to then link, " look at this market glitch" man this is ******* stupid Do you think this was a scam?
I smell bovine excrement. Your mother should probably have drowned you at birth to save us all from your terrible thread, I'll speak to her tonight, ok son?
P.S I'm pretty drunk right now and will be full of posters remorse in the morning but....Meh |
Enya Dorne
25
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Posted - 2014.02.23 00:28:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit. Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it. Someone posted in local "to bad I don't have money to buy this, look at the market error (link to item)" Now all the other buy orders are below 150mill, making me think that maybe he tried to do 250mill in a buy order and added an extra 0 by accident making it 2.5 billion. I think he purchased all of them off of the market then puts them up their at inflated prices, then makes a stupid sell order that may catch someone off guard, like me. Now I could only buy one so now I cannot sell it back to him to make my money back because I would need 3 of the said item. So basically if he got them for a lot cheaper he just made profit on me and I cannot get it back because of how he has it set up. Now I am not even sure if I can resell this item for even 750mill, unless someone else see this little scheme and has the money to fall for it. Basically making me have to then link, " look at this market glitch" man this is ******* stupid Do you think this was a scam?
I know that Most of the other early posters have said this...
If you are starting market trading it certainly would be worth learning the skills as you would have seen the skill "Margin Trading" and also would hope that you have read the list of known major scams on the EVE-Uni site (thats why they have it for newer players and reference).
Here you were scammed by it, this is the objective is to make it look like a good buy where really it is a low demand module or commoditiy and the actual mean price is quite low (deadspace mods, compressed ores etc are favourites) but to a new player it may seem like a good buy. With Margin Trading you do not need to have the amount of ISK required in the buy order transaction (and you will not have the quantity typically speaking with these scams, so the high order will fail even if you try to sell at the "high" then you sell it to the next order which is around the value that the module should be and the person will pocket the difference and certainly not a mistake on the sellers part!
Certainly three weeks is a bit short for playing the market, I personally would spend a lot more time watching it ebb and flow in relation to supply and demand, as people have been playing this game for many years they know how to get people to part with their ISK quickly...
I hope you know that ISK doubling is also a Trap |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
221
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Posted - 2014.02.23 01:03:00 -
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Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit.
[...]
Do you think this was a scam? Is this the real reason you wanted the 300-500mil uncollateralized loan? Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:I have been making some profit off of a few ores buying low selling high, however my profit is very low since I am not able to purchase high amounts. I recently purchased 100k in ore at 55 a unit and sold it for 58 a unit netting a 30k profit. This is nice but I am looking for a loan of up to 500mill. My plan is to purchase very large quantities of ore and sell them for a much larger profit.
I may be new but I do know how to play the market.
So I think I can make at the very least 2bill in 2 months and will pay you 15% of what I make, so when I make 2billion isk for example you will get your initial 500m plus 300m, if I am making WAY more than that than it only go's up.
If for some reason I cannot live up to my end of the deal I will pay back the loan in full, but that is very unlikely
What do you say?
I believe this is what a complete and utter loss of credibility looks like. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
568
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Posted - 2014.02.23 01:34:00 -
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I recommend you hook up with Gevlon Goblin, OP.
He'll make ya rich.
....or homicidal, I forget which.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Enya Dorne
25
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Posted - 2014.02.23 03:09:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:......
I recommend you hook up with Gevlon Goblin, OP.
He'll make ya rich.
....or homicidal, I forget which.
By homicidal you mean another angry pie chart?
But seriously OP, nothing is great rich quick really, take some time and play other aspects of the game, plexing your worries away may give you liquid ISK but not experience in the game, a good example of someone with too much money (and had to buy "friends") has been mentioned above... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2637
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Posted - 2014.02.23 03:31:00 -
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Pay it forward.
Train up margin trading, learn about how it works, and make someone else the victim next time. I barely even pay for any of my accounts, is all I'll say.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Handsome McMoney
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.02.23 04:40:00 -
[53] - Quote
(Sounds like a lot of help thanks, I just noticed a break in the market and started making a small profit, I noticed multiple sellers wanting millions of said items for more than i could buy them for but I did not have the money to purchase the cheaply priced ores in large quantites to sell to the people wanting it for more.)
First thing that comes to mind with this is a margin trade scam. People offering a large amount of isk in comparison to the normal price and requiring it to be sold in a large quantity instead of 1 unit.
Typically they are banking on someone buying up all the stock (a lot of it is owned by the person with the buy order) and then someone will try to make a sell order to their buy order. Ex buyer is paying 100isk/unit with a minimum of 1million units. Normal price of said unit is 55. When you hit sell to their order it will fail due to them not having enough in their margin account and wallet combined. You pay a big chunk of tax for listing it at such a high price and no one is buying it at your cost.
Hope that makes sense. '
From your other topic, a day before this topic. What a mess you've made of things. I love you
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Obunagawe
324
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Posted - 2014.02.23 12:15:00 -
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Enya Dorne wrote:
But seriously OP, nothing is great rich quick really, take some time and play other aspects of the game, plexing your worries away may give you liquid ISK but not experience in the game, a good example of someone with too much money (and had to buy "friends") has been mentioned above...
All friends are bought - anyone you choose to fly with is effectively bought because by flying with that person or group of people you're effectively contributing 640M ( x number of accounts) to the "pot". |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3726
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Posted - 2014.02.23 16:25:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit. Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it. Someone posted in local "to bad I don't have money to buy this, look at the market error (link to item)" Now all the other buy orders are below 150mill, making me think that maybe he tried to do 250mill in a buy order and added an extra 0 by accident making it 2.5 billion. I think he purchased all of them off of the market then puts them up their at inflated prices, then makes a stupid sell order that may catch someone off guard, like me. Now I could only buy one so now I cannot sell it back to him to make my money back because I would need 3 of the said item. So basically if he got them for a lot cheaper he just made profit on me and I cannot get it back because of how he has it set up. Now I am not even sure if I can resell this item for even 750mill, unless someone else see this little scheme and has the money to fall for it. Basically making me have to then link, " look at this market glitch" man this is ******* stupid Do you think this was a scam?
So...you got greedy...and lost money...
To who every is now a good portion of ISK richer...I salute you.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with.
Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
3726
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Posted - 2014.02.23 16:27:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.
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Big difference..
The market in EVE is Player to player interaction.
Ooh, and the Margin Trading scam you fell for...it is NOT an exploit. It just target the clueless greedy people
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with.
Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
122
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Posted - 2014.02.23 18:52:00 -
[57] - Quote
I fell for a margin trading scam to the tune of 7 billion. Was expensive lesson.
But yeah, margin trading scams are annoying. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
8240
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Posted - 2014.02.23 19:15:00 -
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If u are a market trader. An 810m set back wont take u long to recover. |
Garven Dreis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2014.02.23 23:27:00 -
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If you like the idea of trading on the market I can certainly offer you some exciting opportunities.
Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014 |
Istyn
Freight Club
The Marmite Collective
302
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Posted - 2014.02.24 01:23:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it.
Which is the same thing he did. It actually does seem like a decent way to welcome new players to Eve's gameplay - you both wanted to take advantage of someone else to earn money out of it, it's just you lost.
Qalix wrote:
If you guys don't wake up and start finding ways to quell your troll impulses and help bring the noobs along, this game will continue its slow decline.
Slow decline = only subscription-based MMO that has consistently grown year on year, and continues to do so? |
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