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Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier The Scourge.
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Posted - 2014.05.16 03:25:00 -
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Necro of the day? Apply the damn rules equally >.> |

Aluka 7th
150
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Posted - 2014.05.16 08:14:00 -
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If you got scammed then you are greedy.
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D20 Rollings
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.05.16 08:35:00 -
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Eve=cyberpunk
WTF is that? go here http://project.cyberpunk.ru/lib/neuromancer/ Cyberpunk does have a god, he is Mr Gibson |

Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
601
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:27:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it.
So you were greedy and tried to scam some other player out of ISK by taking advantage of his error. I'm really glad that you lost ISK.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
152
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:02:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.
And honestly even though I am 3 weeks old I love making in game money even if I have no use for it. I sit around and train skills, would be nice to train skills work the market and in 6 months from now have a sweet ship with plenty of high end upgrades that keep it alive.
I can use a Raven right now, but if I hop into one I have low lvl rigging and cant use most of the tech 2 mods. I would get raped! So I train up stuff and play the market. Sucks that I blew like about 30 bucks in isk.
If I was scammed by a player interaction then that's one thing. But this is stupid, it seem like more of an exploit.
you would have a blinged-out target that you didn't know how to fly properly... more than likely.
you were exploited through your own actions that were driven by greed... in that context, exploits are allowed.
also, please define high-end upgrades? knowledge of game mechanics and manual flight skill are worth more than modules and hulls. the sooner you learn that frigates are where you should start with pvp the more cash you'll have down the road because a 35M ISK loss is much easier to swallow than a 350M ISK loss. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Jamwara+DelCalicoe+Ashley |

Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
152
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:34:00 -
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:SJ Astralana wrote:Nobody's stated the obvious: When in highsec, close local and never ever open it. Jesus it's not that hard really.
... wat? Worst advice ever. Go home.
I wanted to comment that closing Local was a horrid idea but I didn't and just kept reading... only to find a comment that I left for you almost 3mos ago. o/
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Jamwara+DelCalicoe+Ashley |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3936
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:49:00 -
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I remember the first time I saw a margin trade scam. I was a very young player that had only a few million iskies to my name, and was fitting up my new cruiser in Dodixie when a post in local brought some "amazingly profitable" buy / sell trade that I could make lots of isk off of. I didn't have the isk to purchase it, but I immediately wondered why someone would post such a thing in local.
Several months later, I noticed a similar contract posted in Jita local, and had the isk to go through with it. However, by that time I'd learned that scamming was extremely common in EvE, and a simple google search explained the margin trade scam.
Read up on scams in EvE. Here is an EvE-Uni wiki article on them.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
854
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Posted - 2014.05.16 19:59:00 -
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This is a classic tale of people buying PLEX for ISK and losing it. He bought a Raven but doesn't even have the most basic skills to fly it. Another loss of ISK waiting to happen.
Take the time to learn the game. While you're earning ISK to buy ships you're getting in game skills and game play knowledge on how to avoid dumb losses. Some games are "Pay to win" but Eve is more like a "Pay to lose" game. |

Torrent Talon
The Joker Patrol
11
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Posted - 2014.05.17 19:41:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.
And honestly even though I am 3 weeks old I love making in game money even if I have no use for it. I sit around and train skills, would be nice to train skills work the market and in 6 months from now have a sweet ship with plenty of high end upgrades that keep it alive.
I can use a Raven right now, but if I hop into one I have low lvl rigging and cant use most of the tech 2 mods. I would get raped! So I train up stuff and play the market. Sucks that I blew like about 30 bucks in isk.
If I was scammed by a player interaction then that's one thing. But this is stupid, it seem like more of an exploit.
your view on thinking having a pimp ship makes it better is bad, you will get sick of this game after a while let me tell you that now |

Mara'kesh
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.05.18 21:30:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: The majority of scamees are actually drunk veteran players, and if you log into EVE drunk, you deserve to suffer the consequences of doing so.
This is sooooo true. The margain trading scam got me a few months back and i've been playing well over 6 years and knew all about the scam. All this knowledge vanished when I got lashed and sat there trading in my underwear! |
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Radric Davids
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
6
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Posted - 2014.05.19 14:43:00 -
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OP - based on your posts in this thread and the one where you asked for a loan, you are way ahead of yourself. Be patient - eve is not about instant gratification.
Suggestions: research and learn about something risky before trying it
Don't try market trading with 850m isk when you are two weeks old. Don't try getting a loan for trading before you understand how taxes and broker fees work. In fact, don't try trading until you read a guide about it! If you had, you would have known to avoid this situation, and you would have an idea how to get started.
Learn, take small steps until you have experience. Eve is a game that (just like real life) will punish you for taking huge risks without knowing what you are doing. What you did was essentially the eve-equivalent of seeing a penny-stock pop-up ad in your web browser and investing your entire life savings without a clue how the stock market works.
What happened to you sucks, but it happened not because you are new but because you acted before thinking. Had you simply read an article on eve market trading it likely could have been avoided. Making gold on the WoW auction house does not translate to profiting immediately on the eve market without doing any prior research. |

Mr Welsh
Cause For Concern Easily Excited
4
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Posted - 2014.05.20 13:38:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.
Stinks of world of warcraft |

Radric Davids
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
13
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:51:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.
OP failed because he saw something that was too good to be true and believed it. A game like wow is set up to coddle people like that, but like real life, eve will punish bad and impulsive decisions.
Like I said earlier, what he did was analogous to seeing a penny stock popup ad on your computer and putting your live savings into a single penny stock because it was worth $0.01 yesterday and $0.02 today. Anyone who took a second to google penny stocks or the eve market would have known the danger of taking such a rash action.
Buying a used car that retails at $100k from a sleazy used car salesman for $500 without asking oneself whats the catch will have similar results. |

Little Chubby
Atrocity.
36
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Posted - 2014.05.20 18:23:00 -
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An important lesson was learned here.
Here are some for free:
-Shoot straight -Conserve Ammo
And perhaps most importantly
-Never, EVER cut a deal with a dragon.
...Wait. Wrong game. It still stands. |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1233
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Posted - 2014.05.21 08:26:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Well I have always been good at playing the market in mmos, however I do not understand enough of the markets mechanics yet, therefore I got scammed by something that seemed to be a good deal, in most mmos scams are done by player to player not market interactions since most devs make those solid to prevent exploits.
And honestly even though I am 3 weeks old I love making in game money even if I have no use for it. I sit around and train skills, would be nice to train skills work the market and in 6 months from now have a sweet ship with plenty of high end upgrades that keep it alive.
I can use a Raven right now, but if I hop into one I have low lvl rigging and cant use most of the tech 2 mods. I would get raped! So I train up stuff and play the market. Sucks that I blew like about 30 bucks in isk.
If I was scammed by a player interaction then that's one thing. But this is stupid, it seem like more of an exploit.
A scam is not an exploit. It is someone being more clever than someone else.
Rule of thumb: If something sounds to good to be true and you see yourself making a superior nice profit it most definitly is a scam. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Abulurd Boniface
The Scope Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2014.05.22 08:47:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:So first off I am about a 3 week old Eve player, I decided to get some money with plexes so I could invest in the market of buying and selling, I came across a buy order today that wanted 3 Tuvan Modified Kinetic Plating for 2.5billion isk, I then purchased one for 839million isk. Their were only 4 of them on the market. Then when I attempt to sell it to this person it would not let me sell it. I was stumped thinking it was some sort of ****** up exploit. Then as I looked into it further I noticed he only accepts 3 at a time not 2.5bill each, yes I overlooked this but again I was blinded buy the fact that it was a possible error by a player and I tried to get money off of it. Someone posted in local "to bad I don't have money to buy this, look at the market error (link to item)" Now all the other buy orders are below 150mill, making me think that maybe he tried to do 250mill in a buy order and added an extra 0 by accident making it 2.5 billion. I think he purchased all of them off of the market then puts them up their at inflated prices, then makes a stupid sell order that may catch someone off guard, like me. Now I could only buy one so now I cannot sell it back to him to make my money back because I would need 3 of the said item. So basically if he got them for a lot cheaper he just made profit on me and I cannot get it back because of how he has it set up. Now I am not even sure if I can resell this item for even 750mill, unless someone else see this little scheme and has the money to fall for it. Basically making me have to then link, " look at this market glitch" man this is ******* stupid    Do you think this was a scam?
Welcome to EVE, buddy. You fell victim to people who do this for a living.
Was this a scam? That is the wrong question. Every time, -every-single-time- you see an "wow, this is awesome" opportunity on the EVE market, your default reaction has to be: how is this guy going to scam me?
The EVE market is a living organism, it is not static. If you're new, you want to look at how the market moves and how the money flows before you start throwing money around.
Unless you're a real-life quant the last thing you want to try is to get some PLEX and 'show these EVE nerds how it's done'. I don't know whether there are real quants active on the EVE market, but if somebody told me they are I would not be the least bit surprised.
Consider your 839 mil 'investment' the price of the lesson. You are now part of the tapestry of EVE, you have begun to tell your own story. Don't dwell on the loss other than as a lesson on what no to do. If you can't get past it you're not going to have fun here and you won't be staying. Which I don't say to be smug, it's just the nature of the place.
/I'm working too hard in EVE when it's much easier to tickle the newbies into making dumb mistakes. I need to change my line of work. |

Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1211
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Posted - 2014.05.30 13:04:00 -
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So let's get this straight.
You wanted more ISK, and ISK is so important to you, that you dumped at least 20 USD, but probably more, on PLEX, in order to get started in station trading which, at 3 weeks old, you have neither the skills nor the standings to do effectively.
You then saw someone who, seemingly, had made a huge mistake when setting up their buy orders. Primed to take advantage of their error, you purchased the item in question in order to make a tidy profit via taking the ignorance of another player - greedoverriding caution and leading you into ruin, as the player you sought to to get one over in had in fact gotten one over on you.
Justice served. This is-á a signature. |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
611
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Posted - 2014.05.30 18:16:00 -
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Is it bad that every time I read the thread title I think, "Yes it is!"? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

Sonoske Kautsuo
Noob Corp Inc
5
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Posted - 2014.05.30 18:53:00 -
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Does anyone here know this is a super ******* old thread? Why keep digging it up?
I buy PLEX so what?
I make plenty of money from POS bashes, SOMER blink Promos and Trading. Hell I snagged 10 Gilas when they were 135mill. Now they are 210mill in Jita and they keep going up thanks to the new expansion.
Trust me I have learned a lot and make a decent living in EVE.
I also make a decent living IRL and if I choose to drop $100 on PLEX then that's my business.
EVE WAS MADE FOR ME! Just wish I would have found it sooner!!! |

Maichin Civire
Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs
31
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Posted - 2014.05.30 19:02:00 -
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Quote:Does anyone here know this is a super ******* old thread? Why keep digging it up?
Because it was hella stupid and you engaged in very greedy action without even thinking about it. And we're all very sentimentialy. |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
886
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Posted - 2014.05.30 19:31:00 -
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Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Does anyone here know this is a super ******* old thread? Why keep digging it up?
I buy PLEX so what?
Because tears are a sought after thing in Eve. You just poured out gallons of tears in your OP. Knowing that your loss was funded by RL money made those tears so much sweeter. A good rule of Eve is never cry where people will see it. It's okay to have tears over a loss just don't post it in the forms, Evemail, Local chat etc.
BTW I'm glad you're enjoying the game! |

Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
1216
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Posted - 2014.05.30 19:41:00 -
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I buy PLEX, but I make my money from other things.
Sounds legit. This is-á a signature. |

Sonoske Kautsuo
Noob Corp Inc
7
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Posted - 2014.05.31 00:16:00 -
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I get a decent payout for POS bashing with my corp, as well as other things like faction warfare, ganking, and trading.
And I have not purchased any plex for quite some time now, nor do I need to ATM. But if I have a spare $20 laying about it never hurts to add another 740mill to my bank. |

Catalytic morphisis
Rock Huggers Inc The Pears of Anguish
12
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Posted - 2014.05.31 10:31:00 -
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Dalto Bane wrote:Op, you made your initial mistake by PLEXing only three weeks into your game. Having too much isk, too early before you fully understand the Market, Meta, and Mechanics of this game is very dangerous. I am not saying to gimp yourself or live like a pauper, but taking the fast road with limited knowledge will break you quick, friend.
Dalto Bane would know, Billion ISK Drake with 2 months experience ring any bells dalto? |

Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
36
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Posted - 2014.06.03 20:40:00 -
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Some common sense goes a long way in EVE.
One tip I give to any newer player -- play to have fun, not to solely make ISK, and you will find yourself playing longer, and less susceptible to the various rainbow kaleidoscope of scams that exist in EVE. |

Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
254
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Posted - 2014.06.04 10:05:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Sonoske Kautsuo wrote:Now I could only buy one so now I cannot sell it back to him to make my money back because I would need 3 of the said item. So basically if he got them for a lot cheaper he just made profit on me and I cannot get it back because of how he has it set up.
Actually, you are lucky you could only afford one. If you had purchased three and tried to sell all of them to him his buy order would have been cancelled as it was set up using the margin trading skill and backed by only a proportion of the total value in escrow. If he didn't have enough in his wallet to complete the purchase the transaction would fail and his order would disappear entirely, leaving you with three of the overpriced items. This is known as 'the margin trading scam'. CCP have announced that they want to change the mechanic but they are not sure how to do this yet as margin trading is an important part of the economy of eve. In the meantime scams like this go on. Basically, as a new player expect scams in eve and if a business deal seems too good to be true then assume it probably is and seek advice before going ahead with it. Asking about this in the rookie channel would probably have informed you of the situation. The only thing I can think of is you allow deficit spending but only up to the point where a buy order actually puts you into the red. The second your wallet balance is negative you are bankrupt, all of your outstanding market buy orders are cancelled and needless to say you can not buy anything, the only spending that would still sort of have to be allowed is costs associated with selling things on the market (tax and broker fees). You would be prohibited from placing new buy orders until your wallet is back in the black.
Pretty heavy handed to be sure but it would allow margin trading to be used for its intended purpose, while the current "scam" would only ruin the person running it. In the very unlikely event that you go bankrupt on legitimate use of the skill it won't be that big a deal because now you have tons of ISK worth of useful things to move and the costs associated with selling them are still allowed so you can get back on your feet. You will still suffer for losing all the buy orders you had outstanding which is your penalty for stretching too thin.
The first time I encountered the margin trading scam, I reverse engineered it by staring at it long enough to see what was wrong. The owner put WTB and the item link in Dodixie local which is an automatic red flag but I checked into it anyway. There were two dead giveaways, the fact that the buy order would only accept the full quantity to fill the order and the fact that a sufficient number of item X is available for sale on the market for less than the outstanding buy order for the same item. If you really wanted to buy something why would you not take whatever a person has to sell you instead of insisting that they fill the entire order or sell you nothing? We're not talking about Tritanium here, where a minimum value makes sense. Secondly, if you want to buy something what are the odds you spammed in local and didn't check the market?
If it looks too good to be true it is, the rest is just figuring out exactly what is off here so you can be on the look out for the same scam later. |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
632
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Posted - 2014.06.04 23:55:00 -
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Is this thread doomed to eternal life? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
20
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Posted - 2014.06.05 13:02:00 -
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Hellow OP,
I feel sad about your loss SO if sing me a song*, start with 'i got scammed and i am mad"' record the full song and finish by saying "fungu arsten, i want your babies" and send me the link.... and i will send your 840m
* we will let the forum warriors choose the song.
Let the games begin? |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
633
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Posted - 2014.06.05 16:41:00 -
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FunGu Arsten wrote:Hellow OP,
I feel sad about your loss SO if sing me a song*, start with 'i got scammed and i am mad"' record the full song and finish by saying "fungu arsten, i want your babies" and send me the link.... and i will send your 840m
* we will let the forum warriors choose the song.
Let the games begin? I take that as a yes. How bout you sing us a song about reading more than just the first post of a thread before posting. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |

FunGu Arsten
Fungu .Inc
20
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Posted - 2014.06.05 16:46:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:FunGu Arsten wrote:Hellow OP,
I feel sad about your loss SO if sing me a song*, start with 'i got scammed and i am mad"' record the full song and finish by saying "fungu arsten, i want your babies" and send me the link.... and i will send your 840m
* we will let the forum warriors choose the song.
Let the games begin? I take that as a yes. How bout you sing us a song about reading more than just the first post of a thread before posting.
I only want to offer some way to return the isk to a poor soul |
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