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Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:26:00 -
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Anyone who thinks fiat currency is sustainable is a shill, anyone who thinks a resource based economy would make a better game is smart. Anyone who doesn't know the universe is expanding faster than light should read more. - thread
btw one word replies doesn't make you intelligent, it makes you pseudo intellectual like steve jobs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |

Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
140
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:28:00 -
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Right click Logic Train now to Level 1 Add to Queue (Level 2) Add to Queue (Level 3) Right click Cognitive Biases Train now to Level 1 I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Knights Armament wrote:None of you have anything to offer me intellectually GǪaside from facts that inconveniently blow planet-sized holes in your suggestions for EVE. Quote:I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works Well, that's sad because we're having such a fun time trying to fill in those gaps in your knowledge. I know learning is hard and tiresome, but just hang in there and something might stick. Quote:I am done arguing with imbeciles. Incorrect.
They should have had you debate that ham guy instead of bill nye, bill nye did ok, but I think you would have done better.
Of course there's that one saying. "You can't win an argument with a stupid person, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience".
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Shiti Dama
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:29:00 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:Shiti Dama wrote:Space is not infinite nor finite, it is most definitely undefined.
I lost my train of thought again.
We humans need not to see nor touch, we just need to imagine. When we grasp the domain, range and nature of "space" (THE UNIVERSE) within our minds then we defined "IT".
I find your input stimulating. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2513
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:30:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:None of you have anything to offer me intellectually it is like talking to children, I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works, it isn't even related to my original post in any manner. Every time someone attacks me they offer nothing substantial to back their claims, and most of you have a reading comprehension problem and mistake the meaning of my posts. I am done arguing with imbeciles.
Awww...
Is it passed someone's bedtime?? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19511
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:31:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Anyone who thinks fiat currency is sustainable is a shill, anyone who thinks a resource based economy would make a better game is smart. GǪexcept that experience has shown otherwise. Again, there's a reason why money exists. The same reason applies to game design. There's a reason why faucet-and-sink design is how games end up whenever the try a limited-resource model. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3167
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:31:00 -
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There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:32:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote: steve jobs is a pseudo intellectual.
Holy Hell Hath Frozen Over, OP just said something I can agree with!!!! 
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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
94
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:34:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income.
Actually pocos pay out pure isk. |

Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
2513
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:35:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. Actually pocos pay out pure isk.
That came from other players. /derp You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19512
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:38:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. Actually pocos pay out pure isk. True enough. They're still ISK sinks, though (or at best ISK neutral and even then only if you skip the entire creation process), so the OP's complaint about inflation from passive income sources is still off by miles. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Mara Denais
Shadow Runners.
11
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:38:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. Actually pocos pay out pure isk.
How much does it cost to put one up?
And given how often the "reinforced" bars pop up all over the place, do they ever get their ROI even close to 1?
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1846
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:39:00 -
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didn't read the thread, but here goes anyway.
PI isn't all that passive. Research agent income is very low these days and requires non-trivial investments of isk and time. moons are moons. Their income has been nerfed recently. But whatevs. Renting is not passive income. Research can be very passive, but its also self-regulating because the value of research is well controlled by supply and demand. Not a problem
Isk can't be called a fiat currency at all. In the sink/faucet model such a notion is meaningless. Sinks provide real value for currency. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
225
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:40:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. Actually pocos pay out pure isk.
NPC pocos do not. Player owned POCOs just convert an isk sink into an isk syphon, still not an isk faucet. POCOs can be targeted and destroyed and replaced and prime planets fought over and yeah it is basically similar to moon mining but different as it is harvesting isk but it is isk from other players.
And NPC pocos only existed and continue to exist until taken by players to provide a service that was meant to be managed by players. Even if the intention was an afterthought ccp can still claim it was an initial intention so lets not go down that rabbit whole of what ifs?  |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1688
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:42:00 -
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Boring grinding doesn't encourage anyone to subscribe or log in. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |

unidenify
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:42:00 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:The OP is clearly batshit, but that aside, I could be down for a trit-based economy, which is what I assume we would operate on if isk didn't exist (can you imagine hauling freighters full of Trit into Jita to buy that officer mod), since without a common trade item (as much as I would love it, I don't think there are enough Long-limbed roes or exotic dancers to base an economy off them  ), bartering would be a complete clusterfuck of contract orders with odd bartering details.(Hmm, I need to trade some of my Hobgonlins for an Invulnerability Field, so I can trade that for a thousand missiles... urgh).
then someone will set up bank with its own currency for you to use.
all this do is transfer bank power from NPC to Player.
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Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
211
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:44:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Boring grinding doesn't encourage anyone to subscribe or log in.
In eve the grind is boring due to bad game design. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |

Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
870
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:46:00 -
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0.0 is the pvp realm, only passive income is needed there. High sec is the pve realm. Everyone knows this. |

Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
159
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:46:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:CCP had an opening for a lead game designer, I applied to the job, but apparently I don't have the qualifications required to tell people what to do. I am shocked. And I have no idea why CCP turned you down. 
In before ISD LackofFaith 
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1688
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:53:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:La Nariz wrote:Boring grinding doesn't encourage anyone to subscribe or log in. In eve the grind is boring due to bad game design. The grind should be incorporated into the game from tutorial until forever, the grind in eve is camping a station to make your enemies cry, thats boring as well. It may be fun though thanks to the social interaction you experience while grinding, which is the point of a social game. Grinding asteroids is boring, chatting with friends while you both grind asteroids is fun. You're bored because you are boring.
So we should remove the good game design, passive income, and just wait for the bad game design, boring grinding, to be changed. Sounds like the same crappy logic that keeps nullsec in shambles and leaves highsec horribly unbalanced. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |

Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
94
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:54:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. Actually pocos pay out pure isk. True enough. They're still ISK sinks, though (or at best ISK neutral and even then only if you skip the entire creation process), so the OP's complaint about inflation from passive income sources is still off by miles.
Yes, they are entirely isk sinks. However the post I responded to claimed there was no passive income generation, they sure are. |

Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
94
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:55:00 -
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Mara Denais wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. Actually pocos pay out pure isk. How much does it cost to put one up? And given how often the "reinforced" bars pop up all over the place, do they ever get their ROI even close to 1?
100m for materials plus taking the old one from the owner. |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1847
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:59:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:0.0 is the pvp realm, only passive income is needed there. High sec is the pve realm. Everyone knows this.
0.0 pve is more varied and imo fun. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
2720
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:59:00 -
[114] - Quote
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Partyhat
And it's not an /entirely/ off topic post. Steve Ronuken for CSM 9! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4236322 http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
31
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:59:00 -
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Yes the items are worth isk like everything else in eve. Pi requires someone else to buy your goods, ratting doesn't require any one to buy from you unless you loot, loot is another matter as it isn't depleatable like pi. I'm sitting in juta logged off right not with 2b in loot that I didn't have to many factor from mins, the loot was randomly created with the distruction if a rat and some one will have to buy my loot much like my pi, it's a player only market. Trade goods on the other hand that is bought by npc stations generate isk as the isk comes from npcs and not a player buying them |

Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
870
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:02:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:0.0 is the pvp realm, only passive income is needed there. High sec is the pve realm. Everyone knows this. 0.0 pve is more varied and imo fun.
It's fun, but at the same time it's boring, It needs to be buffed in 0.0, but at the same time it absolutely should not be in 0.0. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3167
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:03:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Tippia wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Stitcher wrote:There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.
EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income. Actually pocos pay out pure isk. True enough. They're still ISK sinks, though (or at best ISK neutral and even then only if you skip the entire creation process), so the OP's complaint about inflation from passive income sources is still off by miles. Yes, they are entirely isk sinks. However the post I responded to claimed there was no passive income generation, they sure are.
No, no they are not, unless you also think that putting a huge load of Mexallon on the market and letting it sell over the course of a week is passive income. Just because other players are giving you money when you're offline does not suddenly make it "passive".
Passive would be if you did one thing, once, and the game just kept giving you money out of nowhere. Making money off other players by charging them for a commodity or service is not passive. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
31
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:09:00 -
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Why am i here? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
19513
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:11:00 -
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hydraSlav wrote:Why am i here? Karma. Remember all those ants you chased with a magnifying glass? WellGǪ there had to be a reckoning at some point. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Knights Armament
TDSIN Application Sent
212
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:19:00 -
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I don't have a thing for grannies, my wife is a beautiful former abercrombie model and professional gamer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOdADD5RNs&feature=youtu.be http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/ https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
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