no longer are miners needed to strip belts and work as a group, now all you need are moon mining pos's and botters to supply your Alliance with income.

I was a fan of Ultima Online, botting ruined the game for me, I remember when IPY 2 launched, everyone was using macros to skill up, the place was just filled with people who may as well have been non player characters.

When will CCP step up and admit they've just created a bunch of ways for Alliances Bloc leaders to generate passive income in game and then launder the isk they make through p.l.e.x sales on websites such as player auctions?

PI does not generate isk. It just moves it around through the playerbase.
If anything, PI is an isk-sink.

Bounties on npc's generate new isk.

I'd love to hear your opinions on how passively obtaining resources that can be sold to players for profit isn't isk generation

I'd love to hear your opinions on how passively obtaining resources that can be sold to players for profit isn't isk generation, the thing that bounties give players is an incentive to actually play the game, while moon mining and PI just gives lazy people a way to stop playing while keeping an account active with plex.

I agree however that bounties provide the game with a large amount of inflation, mostly through farmers who can bot endlessly in the safety of a massive alliance, LOCAL needs to be removed from nullsec to prevent botters from being alerted to ganks.

Simple: they generate items, not ISK. Not a single ISK is created in the process. In fact, many of these process requires ISK to be removed (through taxes or fees or NPC sell orders) in order to engage in them.

You're confusing the act of actually creating ISK (using an ISK faucet) with just having an income.

Passive income is terrible for EvE, it reduces the activity spent by players in game, removes social requirements for earning income, and creates power blocs whose sole purpose is to farm isk endlessly thus inflating the economy for players who choose to actively play the game to earn income. Passive isk generation turns EvE into a Ghost town, no longer are miners needed to strip belts and work as a group, now all you need are moon mining pos's and botters to supply your Alliance with income.

I was a fan of Ultima Online, botting ruined the game for me, I remember when IPY 2 launched, everyone was using macros to skill up, the place was just filled with people who may as well have been non player characters. EvE needs less ways for people to AFK through the game. Moon mining and planetary interaction are some of the worst things to happen to EvE online, the inflation from these brainless isk generators is obscene. When will CCP step up and admit they've just created a bunch of ways for Alliances Bloc leaders to generate passive income in game and then launder the isk they make through p.l.e.x sales on websites such as player auctions? The passive income generation isn't here to make the game better for the EvE players, the passive income generation is to help people make money in real life through leading massive Blue Donuts such as the CFC.

Yes but the items are worth isk,

If no active players made isk through mission running or bounties we would have a resource based economy based on bartering items, which means that passively generated resources = currency.

Yes but the items are worth isk, and people who can passively generate items inflate the value of those items to make players who actively generate items time less valuable. If no active players made isk through mission running or bounties we would have a resource based economy based on bartering items, which means that passively generated resources = currency.

Which items are actively being generated other than npc loot drops? Answer none. All industry is essentially passive except for mining. When of course you ignore time investment to setup all those industry activities.

Passive generation of resources can be attributed not just to resource generation, but also isk generation through botting. I think if we removed ISK and went to a resource based economy things in EvE would be less inflated due to the risk involved in running mining operations, and moving resources to trade hubs. I think currency in the form of credits that can endlessly be made from nothing is bad for the games economy.

If I designed a game, we wouldn't have a fiat currency, we wouldn't have unlimited asteroids either. Where does the ISK placed on the pirate npc come from, who generates that isk? The game creates this isk from thin air, with no tangible backing to give it value, like gold, this is why isk inflation happens due to unlimited isk potential, isk doesn't get blown up, tritanium gets blown up.

EvEs currency should be resources.

Passive generation of resources can be attributed not just to resource generation, but also isk generation through botting.

I think if we removed ISK and went to a resource based economy things in EvE would be less inflated

I think currency in the form of credits that can endlessly be made from nothing is bad for the games economy.

If I designed a game, we wouldn't have a fiat currency, we wouldn't have unlimited asteroids either.

EvEs currency should be resources.

EvEs currency should be resources.

Your game without a fiat currency would fail. The market in your game would be slow and painfully inconvenient to use. The only trade system you would have would be 'want to trade'. yeah it would suck, it would suck worse than this thread.

No you could exchange goods for resources through the market, instead of having isk, you'd have to physically move your gold from one station to the other and then trade it to the bankers on that station to receive your item, the great thing about this system is the risk involved, you can remove the gold from the game permanently by killing someone. Having to transport your alliances currency would make for more thrilling gameplay mechanics. We'd also make it so resources run out, and in order to generate new resources you have to explore more space, once you mine a moon for 100 years the moon minerals shouldn't respawn when server comes up.

No you could exchange goods for resources through the market, instead of having isk, you'd have to physically move your gold from one station to the other and then trade it to the bankers on that station to receive your item

We'd also make it so resources run out, and in order to generate new resources you have to explore more space, once you mine a moon for 100 years the moon minerals shouldn't respawn when server comes up.

In an mmo you should be rewarded for teaming up in *small* tight knitt groups to perform activities efficiently.

GǪand it would be slow and painfully inconvenient to use, not to mention be completely arbitrary in what stuff is worth. There's a reason money exists, and it is exactly to remove this wasteful and inefficient system and replace it with one that actually allows for proper trading of large volumes of unequal and incomparable goods.

Again, it's been tried. It doesn't work. What you describe leads to one thing: hoarding, inflation, and economic collapse.

Games that have tried that model have all been forced to abandon it for a faucet-sink system.

Sorry but your an idiot. There is a limited number of systems, and eventually you would have to add new systems with new resources or the game would end. Respawning resources at a given interval is easier than adding system upon system to accomplish the same thing.

No you could exchange goods for resources through the market, instead of having isk, you'd have to physically move your gold from one station to the other and then trade it to the bankers on that station to receive your item, the great thing about this system is the risk involved, you can remove the gold from the game permanently by killing someone. Having to transport your alliances currency would make for more thrilling gameplay mechanics. We'd also make it so resources run out, and in order to generate new resources you have to explore more space, once you mine a moon for 100 years the moon minerals shouldn't respawn when server comes up.

It is a good thing space is infinite, it isn't the same thing either, one is realistic and one is fake. If an alliances controls the milky way and is taking all of the resources, eventually that alliance has to move out of the milky way, if a rare resource is found in another galaxy/system one alliance must decide to go to war in order to capture this rare resource thats capable of generating untold destruction, my game would be how space is, eve is space socialism with very little risk.

Find a venture capitalist or do a kickstarter and risk it, see how well you do

GǪand it would be slow and painfully inconvenient to use, not to mention be completely arbitrary in what stuff is worth. There's a reason money exists, and it is exactly to remove this wasteful and inefficient system and replace it with one that actually allows for proper trading of large volumes of unequal and incomparable goods.

Again, it's been tried. It doesn't work. What you describe leads to one thing: hoarding, inflation, and economic collapse.

Games that have tried that model have all been forced to abandon it for a faucet-sink system.

[neo-anarchist conspiratorial nonsense]

my game would be how space is

It is a good thing space is infinite, it isn't the same thing either, one is realistic and one is fake. If an alliance controls the milky way and is taking all of the resources, eventually that alliance has to move out of the milky way, if a rare resource is found in another galaxy/system one alliance must decide to go to war in order to capture this rare resource thats capable of generating untold destruction, my game would be how space is, eve is space socialism with very little risk.

EvE has a fake physics engine, and a economy based on the idea of unlimited resources, once one group obtains power its nearly impossible to remove that group from power. If I can travel to a different galaxy and find a rare resource, or learn how to generate a big bang or some other type of super weapon I can remove this group from power, in a universe like EvE its basically balanced so nothing exciting ever happens, and its completely fake just like here on earth, until someone in a basement develops super powers and starts knocking out the competition through new weird technology no one understands.

while moon mining and PI just gives lazy people a way to stop playing while keeping an account active with plex.

Spoilers*****





First, space is not infinite. Second but a bit off topic Matter can not be created or destroyed. Recycle Much? Third, this is the huge one. EvE is a game. And duh its balanced, because if you could build said super weapon you would just replace this imagined alliance you think is so hard to topple without said super weapon. And then guess what your back at square one with an entire fake galaxy of pissed off subscribers that can't take the region from you even if it was you vs. everyone else.

First, if you read the quoted sentence carefully you'll see why this is beneficial for CCP and thus potentially for you.

Second, if it's such a non-effort, why don't you do it?

Your game without a fiat currency would fail. The market in your game would be slow and painfully inconvenient to use. The only trade system you would have would be 'want to trade'. yeah it would suck, it would suck worse than this thread.

If I have discovered a technology that can destroy earth, I dictate what has value, because I have power. Money has no value, because the people who create the money have been removed from power. Currency = resources.

Passive income is terrible for EvE, it reduces the activity spent by players in game, removes social requirements for earning income, and creates power blocs whose sole purpose is to farm isk endlessly thus inflating the economy for players who choose to actively play the game to earn income. Passive isk generation turns EvE into a Ghost town, no longer are miners needed to strip belts and work as a group, now all you need are moon mining pos's and botters to supply your Alliance with income.

I was a fan of Ultima Online, botting ruined the game for me, I remember when IPY 2 launched, everyone was using macros to skill up, the place was just filled with people who may as well have been non player characters. EvE needs less ways for people to AFK through the game. Moon mining and planetary interaction are some of the worst things to happen to EvE online, the inflation from these brainless isk generators is obscene. When will CCP step up and admit they've just created a bunch of ways for Alliances Bloc leaders to generate passive income in game and then launder the isk they make through p.l.e.x sales on websites such as player auctions? The passive income generation isn't here to make the game better for the EvE players, the passive income generation is to help people make money in real life through leading massive Blue Donuts such as the CFC.

Want a gold medal or something? You're going down the sanity slope faster than an areodynamic slalom atlethe would on snow.

Money only has value because the people in control claim it does, real value comes from power.

So what you're saying is that the goons should be given access to the /spawn and /give commands so they can create items and ISK at will.

Space is expanding faster than lightspeed, you have no way of knowing if it will ever end, also multi-verse theory means we have unlimited universes/multiverses, so yes space in terms of our current technological capability is infinite.

If I have discovered a technology that can destroy earth, I dictate what has value, because I have power. Money has no value, because the people who create the money have been removed from power. Currency = resources.

If that were true we wouldn't see stars at all. I think, yeah I am pretty sure we at least wouldn't see other galaxies. well at least the ones moving away from us.

So this Multi-verse theory, is it a theory or a Scientific Theory. Cause they don't both mean the same thing.

And this cause I remembered it when I thought of how many galaxies are moving towards us apposed to how many are moving away from us. Also relevant for many many other reasons.

LOCAL needs to be removed from nullsec .

Goons don't control the game

We still see the stars within range of our planet, we know galaxies exist outside the range of our planet, and everything we can see with hubble happened a very long time ago, so that light is just catching up, those galaxies have either gone supernovae or moved out of range, we won't know for a billion years probably. We have stars close to us, within traveling distance, that will be near us for a very long time.

GǪbut they have power. So obviously they should be able to dictate the value of things by spawning ISK and items at will.

So you grasp of physics is about on par with your grasp of economics and history thenGǪ

We still see the stars within range of our planet, we know galaxies exist outside the range of our planet, and everything we can see with hubble happened a very long time ago, so that light is just catching up, those galaxies have either gone supernovae or moved out of range, we won't know for a billion years probably. We have stars close to us, within traveling distance, that will be near us for a very long time.

It makes the game boring, I am not looking for a game to login train skills and logout like the majority of the defenders of this system.

There's a topic in here, somewhere.
Someone find it!

The OP is clearly batshit, but that aside, I could be down for a trit-based economy, which is what I assume we would operate on if isk didn't exist (can you imagine hauling freighters full of Trit into Jita to buy that officer mod), since without a common trade item (as much as I would love it, I don't think there are enough Long-limbed roes or exotic dancers to base an economy off them ), bartering would be a complete clusterfuck of contract orders with odd bartering details.(Hmm, I need to trade some of my Hobgonlins for an Invulnerability Field, so I can trade that for a thousand missiles... urgh).

Money isn't real, you can't put a value on something that is unique, you can say that the omega particle my corporation found is worth 100 trillion isk, but my omega particle can destroy your entire galaxy and all of its "isk" so no money can't compete with resource based economies in terms of power and fun. Currency is something made up by people who knew resources are scarce and wanted to trick people into handing over gold to them, so that they could keep it.

Everything I have said is true, the universe has been proven to move faster than light, it takes billions of years for the farthest visible galaxies starlight to travel here, eventually earth will be father away from our nearest galaxies, apparently you don't read much about physics.

Multi-verse theory exists, because the big bang occurred from nothing, so the theory is that the big bang happened from physics outside our current time & space, and thats about it.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+universe+is+moving+faster+than+light

Try reading the entire thread before posting in it

Which has what to do with EVE? EVE is a dwarf galaxy with underwater physics, couldnt care less about real and I dont see what this has to do at all with passive income...

Everything I have said is true

it takes billions of years for the farthest visible galaxies starlight to travel here

Try reading the entire thread before posting in it

Space is not infinite nor finite, it is most definitely undefined.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=the+universe+is+moving+faster+than+light

A recent 2012 estimate of rate of expansion of the universe (the Hubble constant) is 74.3 plus or minus 2.1 kilometers per second per megaparsec (A parsec is a unit of length equal to about 3.26 light years.)
--------------------
The GÇ£per megaparsecGÇ¥ is an important part of this rate.

~ It means that a galaxy that is one million parsecs away from us is receding from us at only 73.8 kilometers per second because of the expansion of the universe.

~ A galaxy that is TWO million parsecs away would be receding from us at twice that velocity; 148.6 kilometers per second.

~ A VERY distant galaxy that is over 4150 million parsecs away from us is receding faster than light speed and we can never receive light from that area.

Those galaxies would be moving away from us because space is expanding. They cannot move "through" space faster than light speed; that is impossible.

Saying that what I said is wrong without correcting me

Everything I have said can be easily researched with 10 minutes of google.

Op, is there anything in EVE you haven't got a gripe with?

So, like I suggested, maybe you should read the thread.

Indeed it could, and as mentioned, it would prove you either outright wrong or very sloppy with the details, showing that very little of it was actually true.

Money only has value because the people in control claim it does, real value comes from power.

Very little of what, you have not quoted anything I've said.

All my posts are terrible for EvE.

Space is not infinite nor finite, it is most definitely undefined.

I am always trying to improve the game for the benefit of its players, and developers wallets.

Incorrect. I send you back to reading Adam Smith. Money is irrelevant, it's an agreed upon store of value. Actual wealth or value is accumulated labor and efficiency, or the ownership of things that can purchase such labor and efficiency. Power comes from being able to control such labor and efficiency and its allocation through society.

That wasn't an answer to my question, actually. So, the question remains unanswered, although, I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is.

For the record, nothing you've suggested improves the game for me, so... who are you trying to 'improve' it for? I'm seeing a lot of people here not interested in your 'improvements' at all.

The answer to my question is that no one is ever satisfied, something can always be improved.

Incorrect.

Your newbie skill plan is wrong

Spoilers*****





First, space is not infinite.

Your newbie skill plan is wrong

None of you have anything to offer me intellectually

I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works

I am done arguing with imbeciles.

GǪaside from facts that inconveniently blow planet-sized holes in your suggestions for EVE.

Well, that's sad because we're having such a fun time trying to fill in those gaps in your knowledge. I know learning is hard and tiresome, but just hang in there and something might stick.

Incorrect.

I lost my train of thought again.

None of you have anything to offer me intellectually it is like talking to children, I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works, it isn't even related to my original post in any manner. Every time someone attacks me they offer nothing substantial to back their claims, and most of you have a reading comprehension problem and mistake the meaning of my posts. I am done arguing with imbeciles.

Anyone who thinks fiat currency is sustainable is a shill, anyone who thinks a resource based economy would make a better game is smart.

steve jobs is a pseudo intellectual.

There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.

EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income.

Actually pocos pay out pure isk.

Actually pocos pay out pure isk.

Actually pocos pay out pure isk.

Actually pocos pay out pure isk.

The OP is clearly batshit, but that aside, I could be down for a trit-based economy, which is what I assume we would operate on if isk didn't exist (can you imagine hauling freighters full of Trit into Jita to buy that officer mod), since without a common trade item (as much as I would love it, I don't think there are enough Long-limbed roes or exotic dancers to base an economy off them ), bartering would be a complete clusterfuck of contract orders with odd bartering details.(Hmm, I need to trade some of my Hobgonlins for an Invulnerability Field, so I can trade that for a thousand missiles... urgh).

Boring grinding doesn't encourage anyone to subscribe or log in.

CCP had an opening for a lead game designer, I applied to the job, but apparently I don't have the qualifications required to tell people what to do.

In eve the grind is boring due to bad game design. The grind should be incorporated into the game from tutorial until forever, the grind in eve is camping a station to make your enemies cry, thats boring as well. It may be fun though thanks to the social interaction you experience while grinding, which is the point of a social game.

Grinding asteroids is boring, chatting with friends while you both grind asteroids is fun. You're bored because you are boring.

True enough. They're still ISK sinks, though (or at best ISK neutral and even then only if you skip the entire creation process), so the OP's complaint about inflation from passive income sources is still off by miles.

How much does it cost to put one up?

And given how often the "reinforced" bars pop up all over the place, do they ever get their ROI even close to 1?

0.0 is the pvp realm, only passive income is needed there. High sec is the pve realm. Everyone knows this.

0.0 pve is more varied and imo fun.

Yes, they are entirely isk sinks. However the post I responded to claimed there was no passive income generation, they sure are.

Why am i here?

Goons don't control the game CCP is God, thus its up to god to decide who has power.

Passive income is terrible for EvE, it reduces the activity spent by players in game, removes social requirements for earning income, and creates power blocs whose sole purpose is to farm isk endlessly thus inflating the economy for players who choose to actively play the game to earn income. Passive isk generation turns EvE into a Ghost town, no longer are miners needed to strip belts and work as a group, now all you need are moon mining pos's and botters to supply your Alliance with income.

Again power is what makes things valuable

Anyone who thinks fiat currency is sustainable is a shill, anyone who thinks a resource based economy would make a better game is smart. Anyone who doesn't know the universe is expanding faster than light should read more. - thread

btw one word replies don't make you intelligent, it makes you pseudo intellectual like steve jobs.

If you want legitimacy you have to post sources.

None of you have anything to offer me intellectually it is like talking to children, I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works, it isn't even related to my original post in any manner. Every time someone attacks me they offer nothing substantial to back their claims, and most of you have a reading comprehension problem and mistake the meaning of my posts. I am done arguing with imbeciles.

It's about derailing any form of rational discussion in GD

You know, trolling.

, real value comes from power.

CCP had an opening for a lead game designer, I applied to the job, but apparently I don't have the qualifications required

Judging by all of your posts in this thread ever, this is something for which people should thank their preferred deity.

Way too much ISK is being generated from nothing with next to nothing removing it.

Lots of people believe this but it turns out that nop, it aint true

If this game were truly currency balanced there would be exactly 5000 isk times the number of new accts that that have been created.

Then for each ISK created there would be a matching sink.

Does anyone with half a brain really believe that it is in any way the case?

You know what needs to be removed? General Discussion subforum. NPC alt posting abilities.

If this game were truly currency balanced there would be exactly 5000 isk times the number of new accts that that have been created.

Then for each ISK created there would be a matching sink.

Does anyone with half a brain really believe that it is in any way the case?

Mr Epeen

Who said anything about "perfect"?

In any case what you describe isn't "perfect balance" because ISK supply should increase to match the value of goods in game.

Please show in the text you quoted where the word perfect was used. Or even implied?

Passive income is income for doing nothing active. I'm fine with it as it doesn't contribute to the massive currency devaluation that has happened since the introduction of the one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world money.

are you suggesting that PLEX cause inflation?

WaitGǪ I missed that one. Wth?!

Yeah, I would also like to know what this GÇ£one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world moneyGÇ¥ is.

WaitGǪ I missed that one. Wth?!

Yeah, I would also like to know what this GÇ£one thing that injects ISK directly into the system for real world moneyGÇ¥ is.

It could be argued that PLEX leads to higher ISK velocity, rather than it building up in people's wallets, where it's not spent.

The argument is somewhat shaky

It could be argued that PLEX leads to higher ISK velocity, rather than it building up in people's wallets, where it's not spent.

The argument is somewhat shaky

Moon mining needs to be nerfed substantially. The fact you can generate what amounts to billions in income value without interacting is ridiculous. As someone who abuses the **** out of free income value in Moons I believe that it is an incredibly unbalanced mechanic.

Source: Me, 1 Single Dude with a Jump freighter who babysits 2 regions worth of moon income which requires about 5 hours of actual effort per week to generate about 15B ISK on average

Moon mining either needs to be eliminated completely with materials being relocated to another form of active PVE

WaitGǪ I missed that one. Wth?!

Because you only read far enough into a post to find something to argue about.

GǪexcept that it requires a fair amount of interaction and doesn't pay any better than highsec ice mining.

And you've included the need to get and hold that space and actually put the goo to market into that effort?

No there is no interaction. At least not on a comparable level to highsec mining. Contrary to popular belief, unless you are botting (which is against the rules) mining requires an irritating amount of interaction. POS Moon mining is pretty much log in, click button, log out, make isk.

Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive. Put up new pos, log in, click button, log out, make isk.

The system is ****, as are all passive income streams, If you are not clicking buttons you shouldn't make bank. Especially when said income streams allow for tens of thousands of others to go without required ISK making. SRP programs built on Moongoo remove the need for tens of thousands to generate their own wealth...which is poor for the game. Everyone should have to press buttons to play this game...not just a dozen dudes babysitting the Moons in Blue Doughnut.

No there is no interaction. At least not on a comparable level to highsec mining.

Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive.

I seem to be doing something wrong here. I have just noticed that my moons are infact not injecting isk straight in to my wallet. Can someone from highsec please tell me what I'm doing wrong here?

So you mean it's not like you log in, warp to BM, and go off and do something else?
Also, if ice mining requires more interaction, it's because it pays better and scales better, so it is as it should be.

It means there's a hell of a lot more effort involved than what you're includingGǪ

Ice mining doesn't really pay better

As for your opinion on conquest.. In terms of the actual process of moon mining. Moon mechanics function the same regardless of who owns the tower.

Log in, Click a Button, Log Out,

Ice mining doesn't really pay better, unless you are doing it with a group of players, which includes not only singular interaction, but social interaction, and multiple people interacting with the mining effort. 1 dude mining AFK is not going to make any noteworthy amount of ISK. I suggest you go out and try it sometime.

As for your opinion on conquest.. In terms of the actual process of moon mining. Moon mechanics function the same regardless of who owns the tower. Also Effort is not interaction. I have to put effort into organizing Incusrions, as well as actively engage in them, I have to put effort into organizing a mining operation as well as actively engage in the act of mining, I have to put forth effort in the organization of mass mission running, as well as engage in it.

Log in, Click a Button, Log Out, Make Isk (via Valued Product), fund 50K peoples SRP so they don't need to PVE either.

One person mining horrible and common ice generates pretty much exactly the same amount of wealth per hour as a high-end moon. The difference is that you can upgrade to better ice (to say nothing of ore) but not better moons, and that you can far easily increase the number of income sources.

GǪand it means there is a lot more effort involved in making ISK from a moon than you're including.

If that is all you do, you have yet to earn anything. Hell, you have yet to have anything to earn from. But of course, that's not all you do GÇö you're just blatantly lying about the effort that is actually involved.

No other mechanic in the game functions as passively as moon mining. There is 0 interaction between played and actually harvesting the goo. I hate having to be a broken record because of terribly uninformed trolls like yourself. If you think Moon mining is interactive at all you are grossly misinformed about it.

(well I guess manufacturing is more passive vOv its just as much a log in/click button/log out.)

It seems that someone higher up in your organization has appropriated the funds. I suggest rising in your organization or taking over the moons yourself. You will need a small group of serfs to organize things for you and deposit the funds properly.

No other mechanic in the game functions as passively as moon mining.

Damn, I must figure out how someone managed to steal the proceeds from my personal moons run by my 1 man alt corp.

Given your statement about a one man corp, I think you forgot to acquire the serfs. They are an integral part of the direct transfer processes.

No other mechanic in the game functions as passively as moon mining.

I hate having to be a broken record because of terribly uninformed trolls like yourself. If you think Moon mining is interactive

EvEs currency should be resources.

EvEs currency should be resources.

We have serfs. We call them renters, but they're mostly useless for performing useful tasks so we just make them give us their money so we can pvp for free.

I am still waiting for a highsec person to teach me how to make my moons inject isk directly in to my wallet. According to several posters this is the norm, but no one can explain how it actually works.

You are obviously taking this discussion much more seriously then I am. I will quit poking fun at you since you seem to want your serious points more than some fun.

As a reward for your patience: It is utterly obvious that the materials must be sold. Given the locations and present pricing they are most likely transported (although you could sell directly). The materials must also be properly extracted (some POS knowledge, setup and maintenance.) It is also true that these activities are quite lucrative for the time involved.

Me: I'd like to buy a Titan.
You: That will be 2,433,987,111,893,654 Fedos.

Let's not go there, okay?

Multiple highsec people have said many times that this is not so. Obviously they are right & you are wrong. Could I please get an intelligent & well informed highsec person to tell me how to be awesome?

Some games are well suited to having resource based currencies, Diablo 2 for example worked well using this basis even if it did get a little confusing. EVE is not one of those games.

Regional conquest is irrelevant to the way the moon mining works. Just because CFC owns a region doesn't mean if N3 takes it that Moon mining becomes any more interactive. Put up new pos, log in, click button, log out, make isk.

Yeah if you conveniently ignore the millions of man hours spent acquiring and defending a region then all of it's perks can be reduced to free handouts to complain about.

You realize you can drop a tower regardless of who has sov and you can turn a profit within a week? And if you do this on multiple moons in multiple systems, there are plenty of systems that are in "enemy" territory and don't get as much attention, most of the time the sov holders are too busy fighting in more important strategic places.

Because no one is going to notice a corp-wide notification that some random has just plonked a tower on that R64 or R32 that you've been ignoring since you took that space.

"As I have said so many times, God doesn't play dice with the world." Albert Einstein

How is CO2 doing with R64's?

Who cares?

Ban goons

Well last I checked they hold space but not the moons. So holding space is kind of irrelevant to how moons work isn't it?

Moving goal posts is a bad habit to get into son.

...

1) one word replies don't make you intelligent, it makes you pseudo intellectual like steve jobs.

2) If you want legitimacy you have to post sources.

The only passive income that needs to be removed is moon mining / sov renting.

I don't have a thing for grannies, my wife is a beautiful former abercrombie model and professional gamer.

Eve is a game - you pay for having fun.
I prefer to have some passive income and then have some fun rather than have to rat/mission all the time.

The only passive income that needs to be removed is moon mining / sov renting.

How is CO2 doing with R64's?

I'd love to hear your opinions on how passively obtaining resources that can be sold to players for profit isn't isk generation, the thing that bounties give players is an incentive to actually play the game, while moon mining and PI just gives lazy people a way to stop playing while keeping an account active with plex.

I agree however that bounties provide the game with a large amount of inflation, mostly through farmers who can bot endlessly in the safety of a massive alliance, LOCAL needs to be removed from nullsec to prevent botters from being alerted to ganks.