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Sigmund Evotori Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote Not sure if this is the best section for this but here goes: Honest question, when is a carebear no longer a carebear? Is carebearing character specific or the person? I.E. a guy with a pure indy toon who also has a separate pure pvp toon, is he still a carebear? Or does he have one character that's a carebear and one that is Discuss.
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 452	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:07:00 - [2] - Quote I would say "carebear" could be applied to persons or corps who try to actively AVOID pvp. Most of us do PVE at times (to make ISK), but the game for a non-carebear is usually focused around pvp of some form. Just my two cents Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Joepopo GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 198	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:11:00 - [3] - Quote When he stops caring about the money.
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 452	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:15:00 - [4] - Quote Joepopo wrote: When he stops caring about the money. In fact, a much better description. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Sigmund Evotori Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:31:00 - [5] - Quote Joepopo wrote: When he stops caring about the money. Are you speaking of caring about the money he would lose in ships? Cause that actually does make a lot of sense. So if you are willing to lose ships and don't care when you do, you are not a carebear? What about if you don't care about losing ships to gankers but all you do is mine? Still not a carebear?
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2622	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:42:00 - [6] - Quote It's not about any specific act, it's about their attitude. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 548	Posted - 2014.02.20 19:59:00 - [7] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It's not about any specific act, it's about their attitude. ^^^^ To OP: Some say once the fear of pulling a trigger on another player is completely gone, you are no longer a carebear. Others might say once the shivers and shakes of combat are also gone, but they are fewer in number. Put a few non-consensual solo kills on your killboard, and call yourself a pvp'er with pride; but remember, its not about space-bushido and 1v1's at the sun in identical ships....just kill something. F Would you like to know more?
Sigmund Evotori Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 20:23:00 - [8] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It's not about any specific act, it's about their attitude. ^^^^ To OP: Some say once the fear of pulling a trigger on another player is completely gone, you are no longer a carebear. Others might say once the shivers and shakes of combat are also gone, but they are fewer in number. Put a few non-consensual solo kills on your killboard, and call yourself a pvp'er with pride; but remember, its not about space-bushido and 1v1's at the sun in identical ships....just kill something. F Hmm. In my first month in Eve I tried to suicide gank a guy who was salvaging the wreck of my alt he had just ganked. I've suicided a few people, and been concorded before my target explodes, numerous times. I've flown in null blobs and in low sec roams. I've wardec'd high sec POS owners and burned their sand castles to the ground. I've also spent a couple weeks exploding as fast as I can in RvB. I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day.
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 452	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:01:00 - [9] - Quote Sigmund Evotori wrote: I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day. Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Sigmund Evotori Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:39:00 - [10] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy. That is very true. The only other game that can really get me on edge like that is SC2, but it doesn't last long and it's not reliable. Mostly I find in SC2 I either steamroll my opponent or get steamrolled. PVP in Eve I've found to be a little more reliably exciting. Even when my algos gets shredded by Tengu missiles in about 15 seconds. Still a huge rush. Some fights I actually have to take a breather after.

Cannibal Kane My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire 3284	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:47:00 - [11] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Sigmund Evotori wrote: I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day. Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy. I don't get shakes or shivers when engaged or outnumbered. And I am still a Carebear. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. He flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. His hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. It was truly majestic. And while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off. Because I am like that." - NEONOVUS
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 452	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:50:00 - [12] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Sigmund Evotori wrote: I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day. Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy. I don't get shakes or shivers when engaged or outnumbered. And I am still a Carebear. Tis a shame. I hope I dont lose the rush. And I have to say the idea of Kane shooting red crosses for ISK makes me sick. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6601	Posted - 2014.02.20 21:53:00 - [13] - Quote a carebear is anyone who squeals in outrage and demands ccp ban me when i whip them Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Disadvantaged Persons Outreach Division: "We hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
Sigmund Evotori Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.02.20 22:31:00 - [14] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Sigmund Evotori wrote: I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day. Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy. I don't get shakes or shivers when engaged or outnumbered. And I am still a Carebear. I have a hard time seeing you as a carebear. Huge fan btw. :) also, is anyone else having the forums act really glitchy?
Sycotic Deninard Basgerin Pirate SCUM. 41	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:12:00 - [15] - Quote You're no longer a care bear when you have negative sec status. A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 567	Posted - 2014.02.20 23:43:00 - [16] - Quote Sycotic Deninard wrote: You're no longer a care bear when you have negative sec status. I wouldn't say that. I see lots of lowbears masquerading as FW pilots......and usually are -5 or worse. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
Louis Robichaud Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 153	Posted - 2014.02.21 00:46:00 - [17] - Quote A carebear is someone unwilling to fight
Sigmund Evotori Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:32:00 - [18] - Quote So since I started this thread I got my first solo PVP kill. Yes his fit was not very good, and yes it was the worst possible setup to counter my tengu, and yes his ship was dual tanked with no web, but still. I had the combat jitters up until I had him disrupted and could see that his artillery was no threat to me. From there on in I was actually surprisingly calm. Thanks pvp community!
Mourn LeBlade Jupiter Roughriders 113	Posted - 2014.02.21 01:46:00 - [19] - Quote When you discover that shooting anything that moves in wormholes, to the exclusion of all else, is as addictive as crack. LTCOL LeBlade 177 Division Live Free or Die
Billy Sastard Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple 0	Posted - 2014.02.21 05:20:00 - [20] - Quote Sigmund Evotori wrote: So since I started this thread I got my first solo PVP kill. Yes his fit was not very good, and yes it was the worst possible setup to counter my tengu, and yes his ship was dual tanked with no web, but still. I had the combat jitters up until I had him disrupted and could see that his artillery was no threat to me. From there on in I was actually surprisingly calm. Thanks pvp community! Congrats! I remember my first solo kill... I was in a T1 fit armageddon and a malediction burned directly at me from long range and I killed it with 1 or 2 volleys. He pretty much gave me the kill but I still felt exuberant... So much so I went and paid $10 to redo my character portrait and put on this spiffy black hood to celebrate (well not THIS specific hood, as that was years before the current portrait system). I spent my first year in this game hiding in out-of-the way hisec systems mining with 3 accounts scared of everything (mainly due to ending up under the wing of the wrong people I guess). I ended up quitting and coming back a couple times and was about to hang it up for good and decided to see what 0.0 was all about. I got in a cheap punisher, picked a random spot on the map, and went out to see what was up. Found a station and hung around for a couple minutes then promptly died to a wolf who caught me at a gate when I decided I should leave. I had a good conversation with the guy who killed me and ended up joining a 0.0 corp and spend a good amount of time blowing things up and getting blown up. With all that said, in the back of my mind I consider myself a little bit of a carebear. I think it is something that someone never really overcomes. Last night I even joined some CODE guys in a few licence enforcement actions on my alt and, while the activity was quite fun and exciting, I still felt just a little bad for those orca guys (they really should have had their licences in order...)

Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 1234	Posted - 2014.02.21 05:54:00 - [21] - Quote Congrats on the first kill. My first solo kill was a Harbinger. I docked as soon as he started shooting me. Not to play station games, but to Google what a Harbinger was and look at my combat logs to see whether he was using long or close range weapons :). Then I undocked to glory. I've always defined a carebear as someone who wishes for and plays Eve like it was a single player game. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose.
Drachen Protectorate Aerie Logistics and Construction Corus Conglomerate 0	Posted - 2014.02.21 08:24:00 - [22] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: I've always defined a carebear as someone who wishes for and plays Eve like it was a single player game. You do realize you wouldn't be flying the ships you're flying if it weren't for all those carebears getting into mining barges and industrial toons to make them,, right? Carebears by definition was introduced higher up in the thread. A player who avoids PVP at all costs on all fronts. Just don't forget that Carebears can turn into Grizzly bears in less time than it takes for you to warp off at a gate.
flakeys The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 2060	Posted - 2014.02.21 09:17:00 - [23] - Quote Sigmund Evotori wrote: Not sure if this is the best section for this but here goes: Honest question, when is a carebear no longer a carebear? Is carebearing character specific or the person? I.E. a guy with a pure indy toon who also has a separate pure pvp toon, is he still a carebear? Or does he have one character that's a carebear and one that is Discuss. A carebear is no longer a carebear when you enjoyed that rush just before you died more then the loss you had when it all ended . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
ACE McFACE IronClad Victory Slightly Sexual 1756	Posted - 2014.02.21 10:40:00 - [24] - Quote When they earn ISK for a reason other than to buy something that makes more ISK for them. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument!
Valleria Darkmoon Heretic Army Heretic Initiative 196	Posted - 2014.02.21 11:07:00 - [25] - Quote Sigmund Evotori wrote: So since I started this thread I got my first solo PVP kill. Yes his fit was not very good, and yes it was the worst possible setup to counter my tengu, and yes his ship was dual tanked with no web, but still. I had the combat jitters up until I had him disrupted and could see that his artillery was no threat to me. From there on in I was actually surprisingly calm. Thanks pvp community! That's step 1, getting out there and getting that first kill and first solo kill. It's easy to be calm when you have the situation under control. Tonight we flew our 6 man gang against ~20 FW targets in armor cruisers with logi support and even with an overview that full and a malediction looping round to get a warp in for his fleet while we are quickly swapping targets trying to drop one of their ships before the logi can react and no one falters. The malediction finally gets a warp in for his fleet and all they catch is our engine trails. As bad as it looks on the surface we know what to do and have this under control. Step 2 is the ability to keep your head on straight when things get hectic and you can even predict what the enemy is trying to do, it also involves pushing the chills until after the fight ends. A fight like that one felt like about 30 seconds, the FRAPS was 11 minutes. Sadly we never did manage to break the logi chain, not surprising since their logi = our gang for numbers. However, you officially lose your carebear status as soon as your income stream becomes a tool to set your enemies on fire and not as a means of expanding you collection of ships for you to look at yourself in.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1293	Posted - 2014.02.21 11:07:00 - [26] - Quote Carebear is a PLayer, not a character, and its a player that does nto understand or does nto accept that eve is a PVP centric game and that shoudl NOT be complete safety! "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 553	Posted - 2014.02.21 16:07:00 - [27] - Quote Surprisingly, sometimes carebears get it right. Would you like to know more?
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 1235	Posted - 2014.02.21 16:23:00 - [28] - Quote Drachen Protectorate wrote: Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: I've always defined a carebear as someone who wishes for and plays Eve like it was a single player game. You do realize you wouldn't be flying the ships you're flying if it weren't for all those carebears getting into mining barges and industrial toons to make them,, right? Carebears by definition was introduced higher up in the thread. A player who avoids PVP at all costs on all fronts. Just don't forget that Carebears can turn into Grizzly bears in less time than it takes for you to warp off at a gate. I didn't say anything about miners. Maybe you're projecting. If a carebear turns into a grizzly bear, then they weren't a carebear to begin with. That's why I like my definition. I've known plenty of industrialists that aren't carebears. The ones who build my catalysts for instance. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose.
KnowUsByTheDead Old Seers Of Arbitrary Stimulation 984	Posted - 2014.02.21 16:42:00 - [29] - Quote This is a tricky question, but it has multiple answers. The easiest? You are no longer a carebear when you care very, very little about those three little letters that keep a person grinding away at space rocks and shooting little red crosses that will just spawn over and over again as long as you "take gate" or hit "accept mission." You are no longer a carebear when you stop being confined to a belt, a deadspace pocket, or a beacon. It is that moment when you realize that you are helping or creating meaningful emergent content within the sandbox. Then, ofc, I can always be smug and say that you are only not a carebear if you are Code-compliant. My wife would tell you that no longer being a carebear requires you to live in null. This coming from a null bear who builds my ships for me, a high sec resident. Essentially YOU are the gauge on whether or not you are a carebear anymore. The realization came to me right before incursions were nerfed. I hated the "I gotta fit green mods, and blue mods, and purple mods.......I GOTTA FITZ ALL THE MODZ!!!!!" elitist mentality of said community. I took my earnings from that final week, plexed up some accounts, and did my tour of duty out in null sec. Then I resubbed a few months and blew a bil on **-fit AC Jaguars at 70-100 mil a pop and lost them all trying to teach myself PvP in faction warfare(to little avail.) Then I found a deep love for market and forum pvp. Then.... I found the New Order and Belligerent Undesirables, and knew I was home. Carebeardom is in the eye of the beholder. It is also a title that you can shed on your own, without the justification of the "baddies of EvE Online." Just saying. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.** -á-á-á-á-á-á-á
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 85	Posted - 2014.02.21 16:43:00 - [30] - Quote I'm a gank bear. I carebear to fund my (very) casual ganking and other forms of arsehattery PvP. This makes me a terrible EVE player and a bad person IRL.



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