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Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 1	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:23:00 - [1] - Quote Good day to all of you. I just wanted to share a thought I had, or maybe a feeling... Or perhaps something I just have noticed. Empire is well populated.... but... quiet?? A local of 44 on an alt, and 34 on the main. I greet both ends, no response. Ask a question, same thing. Hours pass, not a word. So I bring up d-scan, and sure enough, tons of ships... But no one is home? I think it is so strange that the people of empire are just so silent. I see them come and go, I see them go places; belts, missions, anoms, you name it. And not a word is said. People will reject convos, block you over mails, or just greet you with some sort of frantic paranoia. I offered multiple systems FREE perfect orca boosts(on the alt), and was greeted with silence, or the typical too-good-to-be-true attitude. When giving people reasonable proof that my orca is indeed a friendly orca, with all of its very deadly high-slots etc, people get crazy and scared. Where is the socialization? Where are the friendly, talkative people? Honestly, empire almost feels as isolated or as quiet as null. Hell, I had more genuine conversations, and more trust from neutrals, yellows, etc from lowsec. Even people whom I never met, would be a wingman. But not in empire... Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me??
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 4213	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:28:00 - [2] - Quote I wouldn't respond to my own alt in local. That's how much I trust the people I play with. If you really want to make friends (or set up a long con) then stay in one system for a while and let them get to know you. They'll come around eventually. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Pix Severus School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 364	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:32:00 - [3] - Quote Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time.
Rhiannon Marius Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited 0	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:33:00 - [4] - Quote I tend not to respond to general because it's crap. Plus I am usually looking at eve radio chat. If you really want to talk to someone why not chat them?
Michael Ruckert Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:34:00 - [5] - Quote Cue EVE high-sec theme music: http://youtu.be/4fWyzwo1xg0 "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 21	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:41:00 - [6] - Quote I think it was more social in high-sec back when can flipping was around. I kind of miss how active local was back then, compared to what it's like when I'm there now.
AnotherUseless Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:42:00 - [7] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Good day to all of you. I just wanted to share a thought I had, or maybe a feeling... Or perhaps something I just have noticed. Empire is well populated.... but... quiet?? A local of 44 on an alt, and 34 on the main. I greet both ends, no response. Ask a question, same thing. Hours pass, not a word. So I bring up d-scan, and sure enough, tons of ships... But no one is home? I think it is so strange that the people of empire are just so silent. I see them come and go, I see them go places; belts, missions, anoms, you name it. And not a word is said. People will reject convos, block you over mails, or just greet you with some sort of frantic paranoia. I offered multiple systems FREE perfect orca boosts(on the alt), and was greeted with silence, or the typical too-good-to-be-true attitude. When giving people reasonable proof that my orca is indeed a friendly orca, with all of its very deadly high-slots etc, people get crazy and scared. Where is the socialization? Where are the friendly, talkative people? Honestly, empire almost feels as isolated or as quiet as null. Hell, I had more genuine conversations, and more trust from neutrals, yellows, etc from lowsec. Even people whom I never met, would be a wingman. But not in empire... Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me?? Alts-R-Us in highsec son. No one pays attention to local on alts... "Self help is all in your head"
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:49:00 - [8] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Very good point.. I do know this and keep it in mind... I just think it is so sad. I can't even get together with anyone to pve with. Its just odd to me.
Ralen Zateki Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:51:00 - [9] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Sorry... could you repeat that? I was AFK....
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:54:00 - [10] - Quote Suggestions/observations on this, anyone?
Rhiannon Marius Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited 0	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:55:00 - [11] - Quote Ralen Zateki wrote: Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Sorry... could you repeat that? I was AFK.... That there are a lot of people are afk is a fact, however some of us use it as little more than an intel channel because it is full of e-peen waving and scams.
Ralen Zateki Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:12:00 - [12] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? I think you may be missing the point.... but if you really want to make friends with folks in the local channel go right ahead. I'm sure they have plenty of magazines and candy to keep you occupied. In the meantime... I think I'll join a corp....
Rhiannon Marius Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited 2	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:17:00 - [13] - Quote Ralen Zateki wrote: Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? I think you may be missing the point.... but if you really want to make friends with folks in the local channel go right ahead. I'm sure they have plenty of magazines and candy to keep you occupied. In the meantime... I think I'll join a corp.... +1
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 453	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:20:00 - [14] - Quote Talking in local puts focus on you. People don't like having focus on them. There's a reason why a lot of corps and alliances have a no (smack) talking in local rule. Even if you have the best of intentions and are being as friendly as you can possibly be, there might just be some ganker who decides to pick on you for that very reason. Just to troll you for being a nice guy. Welcome to EVE. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things!
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 22	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:21:00 - [15] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? Launch a crusade. War-dec anyone who doesn't accept a chat request from you. If that is too much work, join an active corp.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises 1455	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:24:00 - [16] - Quote I can think about a few reasons for why people are quiet in high sec (outside of trade hubs). One of them has already been mentioned.. People in high sec are used to war decs, getting suicide ganked, made a target because they are there, smack talked because they are empire dwellers.. You get the idea. Thus standing out and drawing attention to your self can easily end badly and you just end up regretting saying anything in the first place. However, there are some systems where people will talk in local, but its usually between corporations who have lived in the same system together for an extended period of time. Second is that some (note some, not most or all) of the people who live full time in high sec live there because they are paranoid because of all the horror stories you hear about the naughty pirates you find in low sec, and how you will get crushed as soon as you jump into 0.0 and scammed by anyone who is in a 0.0 alliance. Since they never give it a try, or try once and get unlucky and get blown up in the first low sec system, there is nothing that can "break" the paranoia and make them understand that while bad things do happen, much of it IS horror stories and chances are they will actually enjoy it. Third is that many corporations will have very strict rules against speaking in local, ever. I realize some might just have a no smack talking rule, but there are some that just strictly forbids any communication from happening in local, smack talk or not. And finally. Its high sec! Unless your in war, mine or run missions in a system where gankers tend to frequent, most see no reason to check local chat. Especially not when normally what they see when local blinks is some message from an NPC or beacon that screams that reinforcements are coming Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
John XIII Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 120	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:37:00 - [17] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? 1) You have a name a ganker would be proud of. 2) Your portrait gives off a pirate vibe. 3) If you want to get a conversation going in highsec, a) Ask a question. Could be anything but IT and trivia are winners. b) Kill someone, chat about it and then kill someone else when your GCC expires. Continue this until your demands are met and local clears out. Rinse and repeat until you find a home. c) Ask about James 315. 4) Be patient. A lot of newbros get taught that interaction of any kind is bad by highsec corp CEOs that are literally sweat-shop managers. These dudes are the cancer of EVE. 5) Have fun. People are looking to have fun playing this game. You start having fun and they will come. Good Luck
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:43:00 - [18] - Quote [quote=NightCrawler 85]I can think about a few reasons for why people are quiet in high sec (outside of trade hubs). I like this whole post, good insight
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:50:00 - [19] - Quote John XIII wrote: Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? 1) You have a name a ganker would be proud of. 2) Your portrait gives off a pirate vibe. 3) If you want to get a conversation going in highsec, a) Ask a question. Could be anything but IT and trivia are winners. b) Kill someone, chat about it and then kill someone else when your GCC expires. Continue this until your demands are met and local clears out. Rinse and repeat until you find a home. c) Ask about James 315. 4) Be patient. A lot of newbros get taught that interaction of any kind is bad by highsec corp CEOs that are literally sweat-shop managers. These dudes are the cancer of EVE. 5) Have fun. People are looking to have fun playing this game. You start having fun and they will come. Good Luck I can't help that I am so hideous.. but you are right... Good suggestions by the way. I will keep that in mind.
Ace Echo The Shadow Raiders Fleet Coordination Coalition 64	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:41:00 - [20] - Quote Heh. I don't know where you live but local isn't too bad here in Gal space. I'm mostly an empire dweller, yet I don't have any problems joking around in local whenever I feel like it. I'm not worried about making myself a target, really, and I encourage my corpmates to smack in local all they want. It's easy enough to evade a wardec, and hell, I could use some new targets. Also, I often miss out on good local chats because I forgot to turn blink back on after visiting dod/jita. Signature Radius: 76 pixels
Alejandro Rebenga MOMs Friendly Robot Company 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:43:00 - [21] - Quote You just need to spend more time in one system, so the locals can get to know you. And it goes both ways, you get to know whos a local, whos a hauler, whos mining, etc. etc. so you'll get a good feel of who you can approach and talk to. Many good discussions sometimes start off with a simple "o/ [name here]" in local. That or "[name here] you forgot your drones again". Sometimes people are also engaged in their own community chat channels eg. Corp, Alliance, everadio, helpmymission, incursion channels, etc etc. so a blip in the Local tab might not interest them.
Dave Stark 4363	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:45:00 - [22] - Quote there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1099	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:13:00 - [23] - Quote Go to WH space. Watch local while in a cloaky. Wait for someone to talk... So yea..... Almost like EVE doesn't reward talking in local in pretty much any space. Removing local and replacing it with Constellation chat showing the full user list, and some form of hacking mini game or something 'active' to narrow down someone's system (Obviously with effects from pilot skills of some kind also to reward focused training to being a 'scout' or 'hunter'). And easier if they are in your system. You can now narrow it down if you actually work at it, but you can't simply look at local and know passively, which means bots won't know 100% unless they do the active bot, which is much harder to script, meaning it helps combat bot use. It also promotes specialist game play for hunter types. And still gives you some reasonable idea if danger is near as most constellations are only about 10 systems. And I'm betting you might get more chatter then.
Alejandro Rebenga MOMs Friendly Robot Company 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:25:00 - [24] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it. You'll get the opportunity to know who's who. If you do it well enough you might even get a few new blue contacts that you can 'use and abuse' heh. Its a community building tool, and most games that offer diverse sets of communities go a long way for player experience.
Dave Stark 4363	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:27:00 - [25] - Quote Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Dave Stark wrote: there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it. You'll get the opportunity to know who's who. If you do it well enough you might even get a few new blue contacts that you can 'use and abuse' heh. Its a community building tool, and most games that offer diverse sets of communities go a long way for player experience. and for the vast majority of activities that go on in high sec; that's a completely useless waste of time. knowing "who's who" doesn't change mission payouts, mining yield, etc. in other areas of the game; sure it might be useful to do that... but not in high sec, there's no value in it.
Alejandro Rebenga MOMs Friendly Robot Company 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 09:13:00 - [26] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Dave Stark wrote: there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it. You'll get the opportunity to know who's who. If you do it well enough you might even get a few new blue contacts that you can 'use and abuse' heh. Its a community building tool, and most games that offer diverse sets of communities go a long way for player experience. and for the vast majority of activities that go on in high sec; that's a completely useless waste of time. knowing "who's who" doesn't change mission payouts, mining yield, etc. in other areas of the game; sure it might be useful to do that... but not in high sec, there's no value in it. In my part of hisec, my locals warn other locals if theres bumpers or known wardeccers/gankers in the next system over. Sometimes I also get interesting news from another part of the game that im not into, which is nice cause I dabble in manufacturing and some of these chats opened up markets for me. You're looking at it from the immediate sense of things Kat.. er.. Dave. But I know where you're coming from and I just wish you and others find the ingame communities where you can just be yourselves :)
Sycotic Deninard Basgerin Pirate SCUM. 41	Posted - 2014.02.22 09:37:00 - [27] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. ^ This. A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent.
Dave Stark 4363	Posted - 2014.02.22 09:39:00 - [28] - Quote Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Kat.. er.. Dave. clearly, i've missed something.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 54	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:51:00 - [29] - Quote Well... In my home station, local chat is full of russians speaking russian. It appears they have no interest in talking to anyone else which to my mind is nothing more than pure racism. Which doesn't really surprise me... And no I'm not moving, I have too much to move and I was there first...
Dave Stark 4364	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:57:00 - [30] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: Well... In my home station, local chat is full of russians speaking russian. It appears they have no interest in talking to anyone else which to my mind is nothing more than pure racism. Which doesn't really surprise me... And no I'm not moving, I have too much to move and I was there first... some would call that a "target rich environment"

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