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Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 1	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:23:00 - [1] - Quote Good day to all of you. I just wanted to share a thought I had, or maybe a feeling... Or perhaps something I just have noticed. Empire is well populated.... but... quiet?? A local of 44 on an alt, and 34 on the main. I greet both ends, no response. Ask a question, same thing. Hours pass, not a word. So I bring up d-scan, and sure enough, tons of ships... But no one is home? I think it is so strange that the people of empire are just so silent. I see them come and go, I see them go places; belts, missions, anoms, you name it. And not a word is said. People will reject convos, block you over mails, or just greet you with some sort of frantic paranoia. I offered multiple systems FREE perfect orca boosts(on the alt), and was greeted with silence, or the typical too-good-to-be-true attitude. When giving people reasonable proof that my orca is indeed a friendly orca, with all of its very deadly high-slots etc, people get crazy and scared. Where is the socialization? Where are the friendly, talkative people? Honestly, empire almost feels as isolated or as quiet as null. Hell, I had more genuine conversations, and more trust from neutrals, yellows, etc from lowsec. Even people whom I never met, would be a wingman. But not in empire... Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me??
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 4213	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:28:00 - [2] - Quote I wouldn't respond to my own alt in local. That's how much I trust the people I play with. If you really want to make friends (or set up a long con) then stay in one system for a while and let them get to know you. They'll come around eventually. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Pix Severus School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 364	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:32:00 - [3] - Quote Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time.
Rhiannon Marius Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited 0	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:33:00 - [4] - Quote I tend not to respond to general because it's crap. Plus I am usually looking at eve radio chat. If you really want to talk to someone why not chat them?
Michael Ruckert Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 78	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:34:00 - [5] - Quote Cue EVE high-sec theme music: http://youtu.be/4fWyzwo1xg0 "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 21	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:41:00 - [6] - Quote I think it was more social in high-sec back when can flipping was around. I kind of miss how active local was back then, compared to what it's like when I'm there now.
AnotherUseless Alt Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 12	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:42:00 - [7] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Good day to all of you. I just wanted to share a thought I had, or maybe a feeling... Or perhaps something I just have noticed. Empire is well populated.... but... quiet?? A local of 44 on an alt, and 34 on the main. I greet both ends, no response. Ask a question, same thing. Hours pass, not a word. So I bring up d-scan, and sure enough, tons of ships... But no one is home? I think it is so strange that the people of empire are just so silent. I see them come and go, I see them go places; belts, missions, anoms, you name it. And not a word is said. People will reject convos, block you over mails, or just greet you with some sort of frantic paranoia. I offered multiple systems FREE perfect orca boosts(on the alt), and was greeted with silence, or the typical too-good-to-be-true attitude. When giving people reasonable proof that my orca is indeed a friendly orca, with all of its very deadly high-slots etc, people get crazy and scared. Where is the socialization? Where are the friendly, talkative people? Honestly, empire almost feels as isolated or as quiet as null. Hell, I had more genuine conversations, and more trust from neutrals, yellows, etc from lowsec. Even people whom I never met, would be a wingman. But not in empire... Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me?? Alts-R-Us in highsec son. No one pays attention to local on alts... "Self help is all in your head"
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:49:00 - [8] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Very good point.. I do know this and keep it in mind... I just think it is so sad. I can't even get together with anyone to pve with. Its just odd to me.
Ralen Zateki Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 53	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:51:00 - [9] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Sorry... could you repeat that? I was AFK....
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:54:00 - [10] - Quote Suggestions/observations on this, anyone?
Rhiannon Marius Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited 0	Posted - 2014.02.22 04:55:00 - [11] - Quote Ralen Zateki wrote: Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Sorry... could you repeat that? I was AFK.... That there are a lot of people are afk is a fact, however some of us use it as little more than an intel channel because it is full of e-peen waving and scams.
Ralen Zateki Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:12:00 - [12] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? I think you may be missing the point.... but if you really want to make friends with folks in the local channel go right ahead. I'm sure they have plenty of magazines and candy to keep you occupied. In the meantime... I think I'll join a corp....
Rhiannon Marius Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited 2	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:17:00 - [13] - Quote Ralen Zateki wrote: Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? I think you may be missing the point.... but if you really want to make friends with folks in the local channel go right ahead. I'm sure they have plenty of magazines and candy to keep you occupied. In the meantime... I think I'll join a corp.... +1
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 453	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:20:00 - [14] - Quote Talking in local puts focus on you. People don't like having focus on them. There's a reason why a lot of corps and alliances have a no (smack) talking in local rule. Even if you have the best of intentions and are being as friendly as you can possibly be, there might just be some ganker who decides to pick on you for that very reason. Just to troll you for being a nice guy. Welcome to EVE. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things!
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 22	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:21:00 - [15] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? Launch a crusade. War-dec anyone who doesn't accept a chat request from you. If that is too much work, join an active corp.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises 1455	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:24:00 - [16] - Quote I can think about a few reasons for why people are quiet in high sec (outside of trade hubs). One of them has already been mentioned.. People in high sec are used to war decs, getting suicide ganked, made a target because they are there, smack talked because they are empire dwellers.. You get the idea. Thus standing out and drawing attention to your self can easily end badly and you just end up regretting saying anything in the first place. However, there are some systems where people will talk in local, but its usually between corporations who have lived in the same system together for an extended period of time. Second is that some (note some, not most or all) of the people who live full time in high sec live there because they are paranoid because of all the horror stories you hear about the naughty pirates you find in low sec, and how you will get crushed as soon as you jump into 0.0 and scammed by anyone who is in a 0.0 alliance. Since they never give it a try, or try once and get unlucky and get blown up in the first low sec system, there is nothing that can "break" the paranoia and make them understand that while bad things do happen, much of it IS horror stories and chances are they will actually enjoy it. Third is that many corporations will have very strict rules against speaking in local, ever. I realize some might just have a no smack talking rule, but there are some that just strictly forbids any communication from happening in local, smack talk or not. And finally. Its high sec! Unless your in war, mine or run missions in a system where gankers tend to frequent, most see no reason to check local chat. Especially not when normally what they see when local blinks is some message from an NPC or beacon that screams that reinforcements are coming Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
John XIII Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 120	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:37:00 - [17] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? 1) You have a name a ganker would be proud of. 2) Your portrait gives off a pirate vibe. 3) If you want to get a conversation going in highsec, a) Ask a question. Could be anything but IT and trivia are winners. b) Kill someone, chat about it and then kill someone else when your GCC expires. Continue this until your demands are met and local clears out. Rinse and repeat until you find a home. c) Ask about James 315. 4) Be patient. A lot of newbros get taught that interaction of any kind is bad by highsec corp CEOs that are literally sweat-shop managers. These dudes are the cancer of EVE. 5) Have fun. People are looking to have fun playing this game. You start having fun and they will come. Good Luck
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:43:00 - [18] - Quote [quote=NightCrawler 85]I can think about a few reasons for why people are quiet in high sec (outside of trade hubs). I like this whole post, good insight
Ilovetomine Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia. 3	Posted - 2014.02.22 05:50:00 - [19] - Quote John XIII wrote: Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? 1) You have a name a ganker would be proud of. 2) Your portrait gives off a pirate vibe. 3) If you want to get a conversation going in highsec, a) Ask a question. Could be anything but IT and trivia are winners. b) Kill someone, chat about it and then kill someone else when your GCC expires. Continue this until your demands are met and local clears out. Rinse and repeat until you find a home. c) Ask about James 315. 4) Be patient. A lot of newbros get taught that interaction of any kind is bad by highsec corp CEOs that are literally sweat-shop managers. These dudes are the cancer of EVE. 5) Have fun. People are looking to have fun playing this game. You start having fun and they will come. Good Luck I can't help that I am so hideous.. but you are right... Good suggestions by the way. I will keep that in mind.
Ace Echo The Shadow Raiders Fleet Coordination Coalition 64	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:41:00 - [20] - Quote Heh. I don't know where you live but local isn't too bad here in Gal space. I'm mostly an empire dweller, yet I don't have any problems joking around in local whenever I feel like it. I'm not worried about making myself a target, really, and I encourage my corpmates to smack in local all they want. It's easy enough to evade a wardec, and hell, I could use some new targets. Also, I often miss out on good local chats because I forgot to turn blink back on after visiting dod/jita. Signature Radius: 76 pixels
Alejandro Rebenga MOMs Friendly Robot Company 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:43:00 - [21] - Quote You just need to spend more time in one system, so the locals can get to know you. And it goes both ways, you get to know whos a local, whos a hauler, whos mining, etc. etc. so you'll get a good feel of who you can approach and talk to. Many good discussions sometimes start off with a simple "o/ [name here]" in local. That or "[name here] you forgot your drones again". Sometimes people are also engaged in their own community chat channels eg. Corp, Alliance, everadio, helpmymission, incursion channels, etc etc. so a blip in the Local tab might not interest them.
Dave Stark 4363	Posted - 2014.02.22 07:45:00 - [22] - Quote there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1099	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:13:00 - [23] - Quote Go to WH space. Watch local while in a cloaky. Wait for someone to talk... So yea..... Almost like EVE doesn't reward talking in local in pretty much any space. Removing local and replacing it with Constellation chat showing the full user list, and some form of hacking mini game or something 'active' to narrow down someone's system (Obviously with effects from pilot skills of some kind also to reward focused training to being a 'scout' or 'hunter'). And easier if they are in your system. You can now narrow it down if you actually work at it, but you can't simply look at local and know passively, which means bots won't know 100% unless they do the active bot, which is much harder to script, meaning it helps combat bot use. It also promotes specialist game play for hunter types. And still gives you some reasonable idea if danger is near as most constellations are only about 10 systems. And I'm betting you might get more chatter then.
Alejandro Rebenga MOMs Friendly Robot Company 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:25:00 - [24] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it. You'll get the opportunity to know who's who. If you do it well enough you might even get a few new blue contacts that you can 'use and abuse' heh. Its a community building tool, and most games that offer diverse sets of communities go a long way for player experience.
Dave Stark 4363	Posted - 2014.02.22 08:27:00 - [25] - Quote Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Dave Stark wrote: there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it. You'll get the opportunity to know who's who. If you do it well enough you might even get a few new blue contacts that you can 'use and abuse' heh. Its a community building tool, and most games that offer diverse sets of communities go a long way for player experience. and for the vast majority of activities that go on in high sec; that's a completely useless waste of time. knowing "who's who" doesn't change mission payouts, mining yield, etc. in other areas of the game; sure it might be useful to do that... but not in high sec, there's no value in it.
Alejandro Rebenga MOMs Friendly Robot Company 7	Posted - 2014.02.22 09:13:00 - [26] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Dave Stark wrote: there's no incentive to be social; so they don't do it. You'll get the opportunity to know who's who. If you do it well enough you might even get a few new blue contacts that you can 'use and abuse' heh. Its a community building tool, and most games that offer diverse sets of communities go a long way for player experience. and for the vast majority of activities that go on in high sec; that's a completely useless waste of time. knowing "who's who" doesn't change mission payouts, mining yield, etc. in other areas of the game; sure it might be useful to do that... but not in high sec, there's no value in it. In my part of hisec, my locals warn other locals if theres bumpers or known wardeccers/gankers in the next system over. Sometimes I also get interesting news from another part of the game that im not into, which is nice cause I dabble in manufacturing and some of these chats opened up markets for me. You're looking at it from the immediate sense of things Kat.. er.. Dave. But I know where you're coming from and I just wish you and others find the ingame communities where you can just be yourselves :)
Sycotic Deninard Basgerin Pirate SCUM. 41	Posted - 2014.02.22 09:37:00 - [27] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. ^ This. A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent.
Dave Stark 4363	Posted - 2014.02.22 09:39:00 - [28] - Quote Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Kat.. er.. Dave. clearly, i've missed something.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 54	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:51:00 - [29] - Quote Well... In my home station, local chat is full of russians speaking russian. It appears they have no interest in talking to anyone else which to my mind is nothing more than pure racism. Which doesn't really surprise me... And no I'm not moving, I have too much to move and I was there first...
Dave Stark 4364	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:57:00 - [30] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: Well... In my home station, local chat is full of russians speaking russian. It appears they have no interest in talking to anyone else which to my mind is nothing more than pure racism. Which doesn't really surprise me... And no I'm not moving, I have too much to move and I was there first... some would call that a "target rich environment"
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 1040	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:08:00 - [31] - Quote I think a lot of it is with bounties. A lot of high sec carebears are afraid of bounties, and many times, if you even talk in local, someone slaps you with a bounty. You see it here on the forums, people complaining and worried about bounties. Even some of my characters got bounties just for talking in local. The true carebears think having a bounty means you will get killed easier. Anyway, where I hang out, there is always a lot of chat in local. Some between gankers and gankees, but also just normal conversation a lot of the time. Guess it really depends on where you're at in the universe, and whether or not you're considered hostile or non-hostile by the locals who hang in systems.
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2023	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:50:00 - [32] - Quote Seems appropriate...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n03g8nsaBro This is not a signature.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1229	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:02:00 - [33] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? personally i always come to meeting with new people. Assist them in missions when i can (i'm in militia so most of the time i can't) The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 103266	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:05:00 - [34] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Good day to all of you. I just wanted to share a thought I had, or maybe a feeling... Or perhaps something I just have noticed. Empire is well populated.... but... quiet?? A local of 44 on an alt, and 34 on the main. I greet both ends, no response. Ask a question, same thing. Hours pass, not a word. So I bring up d-scan, and sure enough, tons of ships... But no one is home? I think it is so strange that the people of empire are just so silent. I see them come and go, I see them go places; belts, missions, anoms, you name it. And not a word is said. People will reject convos, block you over mails, or just greet you with some sort of frantic paranoia. I offered multiple systems FREE perfect orca boosts(on the alt), and was greeted with silence, or the typical too-good-to-be-true attitude. When giving people reasonable proof that my orca is indeed a friendly orca, with all of its very deadly high-slots etc, people get crazy and scared. Where is the socialization? Where are the friendly, talkative people? Honestly, empire almost feels as isolated or as quiet as null. Hell, I had more genuine conversations, and more trust from neutrals, yellows, etc from lowsec. Even people whom I never met, would be a wingman. But not in empire... Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me?? The only thing ever seen typed in Local anymore is "Greetings from your Saviors of High Sec. If you don't have a permit........" and blah blah blah. That's the only convo I've heard in local in years. Where have you been ?? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 103278	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:06:00 - [35] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Lets see some real statistics on that. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Rhatar Khurin Happy Asteroid Ltd 510	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:47:00 - [36] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Very good point.. I do know this and keep it in mind... I just think it is so sad. I can't even get together with anyone to pve with. Its just odd to me. Use the fleet finder
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1448	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:04:00 - [37] - Quote And then the people bowed and prayed to the neon god they made. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Shederov Blood Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 792	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:12:00 - [38] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Kat.. er.. Dave. clearly, i've missed something. Only the obvious.
Dace Onio Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:12:00 - [39] - Quote local blink is turned of in hisec for a reason, the ppl who generally talk there are full of there own ****, the less i know thats said there the less i go through keyboards
Obunagawe 324	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:30:00 - [40] - Quote It's even the same in the starter systems - 100 players in starter system local and noone talks. Except Russians. But no English talk whatsoever. These are players who should be too young to have formed prejudices or closed local.
Dave Stark 4364	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:03:00 - [41] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Alejandro Rebenga wrote: Kat.. er.. Dave. clearly, i've missed something. Only the obvious. that happens far more than i'm comfortable with.
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 743	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:24:00 - [42] - Quote Ralen Zateki wrote: Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? I think you may be missing the point.... but if you really want to make friends with folks in the local channel go right ahead. I'm sure they have plenty of magazines and candy to keep you occupied. In the meantime... I think I'll join a corp.... In some out of the way high sec systems with only 4-5 people in the whole constellation people get to know each other via local after a while. Most of high sec is full of scams , idiots and the shallow. Talking in local in those places has no feedback and no upside. Joining a decent corp is IMO a subset of the options available. (although always a good idea). Joining one or more communities is how you get to chat in eve. The community might be your corp or alliance. It might be industrial or Minerbumping. It might be belligerent undesirables. It might be role playing or some kinky sex fantasy based. Doesn't matter. Find one or more you like and join them. Much better success rate than random people in local Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 874	Posted - 2014.02.22 17:46:00 - [43] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Even if you have the best of intentions and are being as friendly as you can possibly be, there might just be some ganker who decides to pick on you for that very reason. Just to troll you for being a nice guy. Some of the nicest people I've met in this game are gankers. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Angelica Dreamstar Epic Boo Bees 527	Posted - 2014.02.22 17:55:00 - [44] - Quote Silence in highsec is very common. Always keep trying to initiate conversations. You can use whatever means you deem necessary. It's always good to know the locals. There will always be silence, but if you stick to a system, then you can break it. - Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!) You are at it from day 0!
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 4225	Posted - 2014.02.22 18:54:00 - [45] - Quote BrundleMeth wrote: Well... In my home station, local chat is full of russians speaking russian. It appears they have no interest in talking to anyone else which to my mind is nothing more than pure racism. Which doesn't really surprise me... And no I'm not moving, I have too much to move and I was there first... They say the same thing about you. All you do is yammer in your Americanized pseudo-English instead of chatting with them in their native language. It's not them that's racist. It's you. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Karl Jerr Herzack Unit 6	Posted - 2014.02.22 19:30:00 - [46] - Quote When someone say o/ in local I usually answer to it. Sometimes there are even cool, but rare, convos (I had one Friday). Out of that, including some scam and hiring messages, it's pretty silent and dead. Most of the time I use local as an intel tool than a chat.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1229	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:13:00 - [47] - Quote admiral root wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Even if you have the best of intentions and are being as friendly as you can possibly be, there might just be some ganker who decides to pick on you for that very reason. Just to troll you for being a nice guy. Some of the nicest people I've met in this game are gankers. i guess it is really bad to be such limited person The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Em arr Roids Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.02.22 20:48:00 - [48] - Quote I actually agreed with the op and then decided fck it ima go hang in null. Went through Solitude, cloud ring pureblind and fade and wow... I'll never moan about hi sec being quiet again. Whats funny is the Pro 20+ man fleets flying through. I mean why on earth would you do a fleet op in dead space ? These areas used to be a hive of activity and it's sad to navigate the area like this. Maybe high sec is not as quiet as people think it is...
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 747	Posted - 2014.02.22 22:33:00 - [49] - Quote I've played this game long enough to realize that my survival rate depends on how low a profile I can keep. That means keep yer mouth shut, don't invite strangers to parties, don't go to strangers' parties, and you don't have friends; only people pretending to be your friends so they can scam you. Been playing 8+ years incident-free (well, nearly incident-free... had to learn somehow).
DSpite Culhach 287	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:54:00 - [50] - Quote I've landed in hisec anomalies with L5 level tanked ships and helped out people that were shooting, I've sat on belts picking off rats, I have even let people ninja-salvage in missions while I was doing them, and generally speaking, people are very cautious. Sometimes landing on grid with a ship that kinda-sorta looks like it's not supposed be the type of ships that should be there, makes people warp off instantly, and I rarely get people to answer if I say hello in local. To the OP: Now, if YOU landed on grid and said hello, I would take a look at the name, the pic, and then warp the hell off. Sorry, but you can look like whatever you want, and you want to be friendly, but you broadcast a whole "I want to eat your babies" vibe, so yea, not surprised. I fully realize that toon pics and names don't generally mean much, but after coming across names like "WarpOutASAP", it's better safe then sorry. ~
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4365	Posted - 2014.02.23 07:45:00 - [51] - Quote I've had some very good chat in local. It's all about what you say. Even the Russians are fun. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1209	Posted - 2014.02.23 08:44:00 - [52] - Quote I avoid local like the plague. If anyone is talking it's ***** kids waving their dicks in each others faces. My chat is always set to Eve Radio. The people there are generally friendly and funny. They are all over the universe so I can get some intel on goings on elsewhere. They often do events like 1v1 PVP or mining ops. Ha! One of the 1v1s saw a Battle Badger vs. an Incursus. That one had to be called as neither could break the others' tank. MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:** I've played this game long enough to realize that my survival rate depends on how low a profile I can keep. Truer words, spoken not. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
James Nikolas Tesla Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 97	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:51:00 - [53] - Quote I don't usually look at local, I am too busy monitoring my ore hold capacity. I <3 Boobees
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 34	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:54:00 - [54] - Quote Em arr Roids wrote: I actually agreed with the op and then decided fck it ima go hang in null. Went through Solitude, cloud ring pureblind and fade and wow... I'll never moan about hi sec being quiet again. Whats funny is the Pro 20+ man fleets flying through. I mean why on earth would you do a fleet op in dead space ? These areas used to be a hive of activity and it's sad to navigate the area like this. Maybe high sec is not as quiet as people think it is... Shhh they want you to think their afk and not ratting, mining, or trying to convince people to stop making isk to hunt you
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 517	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:04:00 - [55] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Good day to all of you. I just wanted to share a thought I had, or maybe a feeling... Or perhaps something I just have noticed....Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me?? it's just you. Frankly, there are so many people in systems it's sort of bites to all speak in local at once.so there are many private channels instead - try having a conversation in Jita... Still, if you hit the right place at the right time where there are a lot of long time acquaintances busy convos can happned. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
NearNihil Every time is Fuwa time 119	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:26:00 - [56] - Quote Sometimes I chat with the people in local trying to strike up a conversation about anything. Sometimes I do not. Sometimes it's about showing off your blingiest pve boat (and I must admit I did link my all-A-type Daredevil L4 fit (which has been disassembled since) to wave a bit of my e-willy too), sometimes it's about beating a guy from the SoE Epic Arc. Sometimes it's about "that f***ing ganker", sometimes it's about mining. I'm not interested in all topics, and I don't always feel like chatting, so I keep my mouth shut when I don't feel like talking. That said, I secretly have fantasies about making a new corp and exclusively recruit people by probing their ship down, taking out a shuttle, and private convoing them while I orbit their ship.
djentropy Ovaert Crazy Bird Inc. 150	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:28:00 - [57] - Quote Victoria Thorne wrote: Ilovetomine wrote: Suggestions/observations on this, anyone? Launch a crusade. War-dec anyone who doesn't accept a chat request from you. If that is too much work, join an active corp. BEST. IDEA. EVER.
Rob Kashuken School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.24 01:32:00 - [58] - Quote Newbie here, only been in the game for about a week now, just wanted to offer my perspective on this, coming from someone who is still running L1 missions and mining Vesp in a Venture. I'm coming into Eve as a refugee from another MMO that's gone downhill pretty badly in the last couple of years, I was told about Eve by those that prefer a challenge, and just on the learning curve, Eve is that, which is very good. Before coming in, I did my research on the game, read up on it for a couple of weeks before downloading the client. Heard a lot of stories of the epic long cons, the huge fights started over trivialities, read about market activities that could rival stock market day-traders activities. Read up on Intel stories, about what sorts of things tend to tip people off. Yeah, they're the exceptional stories, but at the end of the days, 'news' isn't about the boring mining runs. That's what we hear, and what a lot of newer players have heard about, and are cautious as a result. We're busy learning, knowing that we're an easy mark for scams involving some game mechanic that we're struggling to comprehend (contracts are a great example of this) , so there's a heightened sense of caution. Often, local chat in hi-sec areas is either useless for mass spam (eg: Jita), or 101 other newies that don't know what we're doing either, which is why Rookie Chat is there for. Plus, talking in there either gets you bountied (also happens in NPC started Corp chat), which can be off-putting - the tuts don't seem to refer to those sorts of game mechanics, took me ages to realise that the minimum bounty on me generally means squat. The only local chat that was actually helpful that I've found is the one around Arnon, where the SoE 'encourages' fleeting in order to to the Dagan mission. Aside from that, the general impression that I've come away with from reading up on the game is that if you fly under the radar, you'll be fine, if you're noticed, you become a target. Which is why newbies are also somewhat discouraged from going to low/nullsec initially, because when they jaunt into the system on their newly acquired frigate, they die rapidly, often as an afterthought. Hell, I've seen people in Rookie Chat not wanting to do the SoE simply because they have to route through 0.5 space.
Felicity Love Whore and Peace Forsaken Asylum 1535	Posted - 2014.02.24 02:02:00 - [59] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: I think it is so strange that the people of empire are just so silent. I see them come and go, I see them go places; belts, missions, anoms, you name it. And not a word is said. People will reject convos, block you over mails, or just greet you with some sort of frantic paranoia. But not in empire... Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me?? Didn't you get the memo ? Most "people" in Empire are just Null alts grinding ISK until the next 12-hour fleet fight grinds them into poverty again. ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
One Eyed Runner State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.02.24 10:06:00 - [60] - Quote Rhiannon Marius wrote: Ralen Zateki wrote: Pix Severus wrote: Years of ganking, long cons, and wardecs over trivial matters have taken their toll. High sec dwellers have learned to shut their mouths, lest they become a target. That, and most of them are AFK at any given time. Sorry... could you repeat that? I was AFK.... That there are a lot of people are afk is a fact, however some of us use it as little more than an intel channel because it is full of e-peen waving and scams. +1
Xia Kairui United System's Commonwealth 68	Posted - 2014.02.24 12:54:00 - [61] - Quote For me it's a simple matter of real estate. And that local doesn't work where I live. So I have local joined into one window with intel channels and other chats, and local is the one that is used least because it mostly contains spam anyway.
Your Dad Naked State War Academy Caldari State 107	Posted - 2014.02.24 15:13:00 - [62] - Quote Gotta find the right system is all. My main mining systems have a fair amount of chatter, and all the mining regulars greet eachother upon arrival. Systems with lots of things (lots of belts, a few L4s) are good places to start. The systems that don't provide this are usually populated by people who want to be left alone, hence why they don't live in systems offering better services/resources.
Rhatar Khurin Happy Asteroid Ltd 513	Posted - 2014.02.24 15:15:00 - [63] - Quote My home system has tons of Dust players in it, so local is fairly busy although most of it is just then calling each other noobs or spamming recruitment ads.
Nuela Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance 233	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:11:00 - [64] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: BrundleMeth wrote: Well... In my home station, local chat is full of russians speaking russian. It appears they have no interest in talking to anyone else which to my mind is nothing more than pure racism. Which doesn't really surprise me... And no I'm not moving, I have too much to move and I was there first... They say the same thing about you. All you do is yammer in your Americanized pseudo-English instead of chatting with them in their native language. It's not them that's racist. It's you. Mr Epeen People might take the above as snark but I have been known to warm up a Russian to English translator (and vice versa) and talk to these folks. Many of them seriously like your attempt* to talk to them in their language and can get quite chatty, *However badly because these translated back and forth conversations are definitely 'different'
Batelle HOMELE55 1887	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:27:00 - [65] - Quote Talking in local makes you a target. For 95% of the people in hisec, the goal is to be left alone, especially if you're playing solo, and especially if you're doing missions or ANYTHING industry related. I can understand that corps established in a given area may want to develop a community with their neighbors, but active corps are at even more risk for unwanted wardecs. There is virtually no incentive for collaboration w/ strangers in hisec, or anywhere. If I'm going to socialize, I'm sure as hell going to do it somewhere other than local. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Victoria Thorne Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 29	Posted - 2014.02.24 17:36:00 - [66] - Quote Nuela wrote: People might take the above as snark but I have been known to warm up a Russian to English translator (and vice versa) and talk to these folks. Many of them seriously like your attempt* to talk to them in their language and can get quite chatty, *However badly because these translated back and forth conversations are definitely 'different' I once saw a conversation in local between a someone I think was Russian (who I think was using translation software) and someone else that went on for an hour or two. It went something like: Russian: You are a naughty person for trying to take my fruit. Just ask her, I had to educate her about it earlier. Other person: Oh God, stop. Russian: You are silly. (He posted a kill-mail of him killing the person he was talking to.) Other person: Sorry, I won't try that again. Russian: I like fruit. I have an orange. Do you want an orange? It's alright if you ask first. Do you need me to educate you? Oranges are good.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting 1184	Posted - 2014.02.25 00:00:00 - [67] - Quote Local is mostly empty in Eve for the same reason people in public spaces pretty much ignore each other. It's really not that different, everybody off voice coms is basicly playing their own game or connected with others indirectly via their own chat. Everybody on voice comms is probably to busy to bother with local anyway. It is not without its uses though, I use it often to ask another character if it's allright to convo him. This causes a popup which can be invasive on his gameplay, so asking beforehand is just proper form. Other courtesies such as short greetings when passing friendlies in transit is also pretty common.
Fredfredbug4 Eve Defence Force Cult of War 2134	Posted - 2014.02.25 01:01:00 - [68] - Quote Most people in empire space play EVE like it's a single player game. Nothing wrong with it of course, however don't expect people who intend on playing by themselves to be social. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 299	Posted - 2014.02.25 03:40:00 - [69] - Quote My local is quiet cos I blocked everyone .... On a more serious note, most of the social side of hisec takes place in other chats, corp chat, fleet chat and in some cases random channels like "Eve Tutors" and "Help My Mission". If you spot someone in hisec doing something interesting or flying something unusual its much more common to direct personal chat them than post in local. The exceptions to this are newbie systems and trade hubs where you wish people would just STFU sometimes :D
Luwc Easy Co. Fatal Ascension 46	Posted - 2014.02.25 13:13:00 - [70] - Quote Ilovetomine wrote: Good day to all of you. I just wanted to share a thought I had, or maybe a feeling... Or perhaps something I just have noticed. Empire is well populated.... but... quiet?? A local of 44 on an alt, and 34 on the main. I greet both ends, no response. Ask a question, same thing. Hours pass, not a word. So I bring up d-scan, and sure enough, tons of ships... But no one is home? I think it is so strange that the people of empire are just so silent. I see them come and go, I see them go places; belts, missions, anoms, you name it. And not a word is said. People will reject convos, block you over mails, or just greet you with some sort of frantic paranoia. I offered multiple systems FREE perfect orca boosts(on the alt), and was greeted with silence, or the typical too-good-to-be-true attitude. When giving people reasonable proof that my orca is indeed a friendly orca, with all of its very deadly high-slots etc, people get crazy and scared. Where is the socialization? Where are the friendly, talkative people? Honestly, empire almost feels as isolated or as quiet as null. Hell, I had more genuine conversations, and more trust from neutrals, yellows, etc from lowsec. Even people whom I never met, would be a wingman. But not in empire... Isn't it quiet?? Or is it just me?? Thats because 99% of empire dudes are botters or just too busy running lvl4s and mining veldspar.

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