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AF Mobius
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:07:00 -
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Is it possible to ever leave the pod ?? or do you spend your life like the poor *******s in the Matrix hardwired to a console?? if that is the extent of this game then I best stick with WoW or UO. Is there a place or plans in the future to take this to another level of existance??
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:17:00 -
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No, you can't leave your pod.
But what do you mean "is that the extend of this game"?
I could say just as well that WoW is pointless because you never leave your body--all you do is run around with a sword chopping things, and its really boring. Except unlike EVE, where such a statement would be silly, its perfectly valid for World of Warcrap. And Ultima Online sucked ever since EA killed it.
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
And Ultima Online sucked ever since Richard Garriot sold-out to EA and they killed it.
Fixed for you. 
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VaderDSL
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:27:00 -
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Go to deep 0.0 and you'll be regularly released from your pod  But seriously, I do not understand your post complaining about the game because you can't leave your pod, what do you want to do?
You can do more from in your pod than you could ever do in having to get out of it.
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GC13
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Posted - 2006.04.15 22:42:00 -
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As far as game mechanics are concerned: You cannot leave your pod.
As far as the story/roleplaying is concerned: You can freely leave your pod when you're docked.
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Jango Crowl
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Posted - 2006.04.16 11:11:00 -
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Would be cool if you could leave your pod and enter a bar or something like the Tattoine bar in Star Wars :)
This game has alot of potential but it seems that the devs arent willing to do that much with it. I mean you cant even land on planets.
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Mobius Timewalker
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Posted - 2006.04.16 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jango Crowl
Would be cool if you could leave your pod and enter a bar or something like the Tattoine bar in Star Wars :)
This game has alot of potential but it seems that the devs arent willing to do that much with it. I mean you cant even land on planets.
Jango..have you read the dev notes at all?
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Posted - 2006.04.16 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jango Crowl
Would be cool if you could leave your pod and enter a bar or something like the Tattoine bar in Star Wars :)
This game has alot of potential but it seems that the devs arent willing to do that much with it. I mean you cant even land on planets.
Boy, you would have loved Earth & Beyond (god dam you EA). I belive the devs are considering adding the ability to land on planets and possibly being able to leave your pod while you are in station in future updats (thers's been some talk in deve blogs and on the game develoment section), but it will proubly be long down the line. In the "near" future, the main engine is set to get a update (higher rez textures, more effects), more bug fixes and new ships.
There is defently things to look forward to. And if this were any other game you would proubly have to pay for all these content expansions (Cold War, Red Moon Riseing) but you get to download them for free. No complaints here.
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AF Mobius
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Posted - 2006.04.16 19:19:00 -
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To those die hard EVE fans I do apologize, naturally i realize that no matter what another persons opinion of something, those who are quite fanatical about a subject will defend it to the bitter end, even if that subject matter is shabbily put together. As to the gent that said you cant leave your body in WoW, lol I do that on a daily basis its called getting killed, (also mining for hours can be so exciting or boring depends on your mental makeup i suppose). I normally leave it in and area that is quite hard to get back to. What I am referring to in this game is the element of exploration there is no where to go in this game unless you choose to believe that whizzing along in a ship seeing the same details (hyperspace) is exciting. You can make things that you never really see except from the stand point of an icon unlike UO which at least you get to see a little digitized image of it on a table or in your hand. I like games what allow me to see the graphic person of another and was the case in EnB but this game is a very low budget copy cat version of EnB. At 20$ per month or 240$ a year and one expansion a year I would say that the 100k folks are making CCP a lot of money with a minimum of effort on CCP's part.
As torchy would say now you can
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.04.16 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 16/04/2006 20:07:42
Originally by: AF Mobius
As to the gent that said you cant leave your body in WoW, lol I do that on a daily basis its called getting killed
Guess what? When you get killed in EVE you leave your pod, too... 
Get used to the notion that your ship is your "character" and that, since the game is about space exploration and combat, out-of-pod activity is unnecessary.
Tell me - what exactly do you think we ought to be able to do on those planets?
So you liked EnB more... why aren't you playing it? That's right, it went under. Companies don't pull the plug on profitable games, so I guess it wasn't all that.
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.04.17 01:39:00 -
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This is purely for flavor, but you do leave your ship to recruit the next batch of cannon fodder (your crew).
Check this story.
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Imbroglio
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Posted - 2006.04.17 02:04:00 -
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I can kind of empathize with the OP's comments. I thought it would be a bit more enjoyable if everytime you docked your ship you could choose to venture to the stations "seedy bar and lounge" to socialize with pirates, miners, bounty hunters, etc.
Landing on planets would be great for hiding or land-based mining operations. I guess if you move something to a planets surface that could open a whole new can of worms game design/balance wise. But still, just ideas I had getting into this game a couple weeks ago. |
Ominus Decre
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Posted - 2006.04.17 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jango Crowl
Would be cool if you could leave your pod and enter a bar or something like the Tattoine bar in Star Wars :)
This game has alot of potential but it seems that the devs arent willing to do that much with it. I mean you cant even land on planets.
^^ Some people speak without even knowing what they are saying.
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.04.17 06:40:00 -
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I also demand more pointless aesthetic "content" to the game, while we're at it, let's steal more concepts from dead or dying MMO's such as UO or SWG.
After all, empty cantinas and cut & paste avatars FTW, no?
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:42:00 -
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Honestly, If you were able to leave the pod all it would do is make the game MORE complex (and who wants that). It would require more loading of zones, more lag, and more cut-n-paste buildings. Honestly, do you expect them to make a diffenet type of every building you would go to in the 1000 odd stations in the game?
The game's in-station setup was done for simplicity. Everything is easy (ok, so some stuff is odd, but its ment to be easy) to access, and is done from one location.
Do you really want to waste time sitting in a Bar twiddling your thumbs while the rest of us play the game? If so more power to ya, I'll be sure to mine the Kernite while your there :)
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SmokeTheFly
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Posted - 2006.04.17 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: SmokeTheFly on 17/04/2006 14:24:13
This is something that would really add a new depth to eve and could be implemented in stages, E&B stations were basic but they were really good places for trading in and planetary exploration with the 'true' explorer class was hella fun. There was more to the game than just systems/roid belts/stations. EVE is a good game but I really do like the idea of being able to mingle in stations or explore a few 'explorable' planets. ATM you are your ship, period. thats kinda sucky to say the least E&B had that and then some.
Dont get everyone a company car yet CCP, the competition does not sleep. check out the demo video presentation of 'Spore' and its clever sandbox application. I hope CCP do it before someone else does...
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Able Citizen
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Posted - 2006.04.17 14:27:00 -
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There are several in-game channels that you can go to for a virtual visit to a lounge/bar.
I recently have been to the new "Serpent's Coil" sponsored by the Coreli Corp. I partook of a nerve stick and chatted with the manager, James Snowscoran. We shared a glass of Khanid wine as well.
There are many such "bars" to visit in the form of a virtual projection of your character where much RP takes place.
In addition, it is understood that while exploration does have some value, the ability to make a career out of exploring is being added to future updates (I believe as soon as Kali, IIRC).
True, the 'virtual' bar is not as visually appealing as being able to "see" the environs, but the RP can make up for it; depending on how creative you are.
You can also join the in-game channel, 'La Maison de tous les Plaisirs' for RP fun.
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Jango Crowl
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Posted - 2006.04.17 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 16/04/2006 20:07:42
Originally by: AF Mobius
As to the gent that said you cant leave your body in WoW, lol I do that on a daily basis its called getting killed
Guess what? When you get killed in EVE you leave your pod, too...
Get used to the notion that your ship is your "character" and that, since the game is about space exploration and combat, out-of-pod activity is unnecessary.
Tell me - what exactly do you think we ought to be able to do on those planets?
Its not about what you can do on the planets. Its about imersion. In the manual you get alot of background story about the different races and such but you really dont get the feeling to be part of it since you are always stuck in your ship.
Like you said, the ship is your character and thats what I think is killing the immersion. Becuase you have a humanoid character but u cant really control him/her.
The character should be a character and not a ship. A ship is something your character controls.
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Jango Crowl
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Able Citizen
There are several in-game channels that you can go to for a virtual visit to a lounge/bar.
I recently have been to the new "Serpent's Coil" sponsored by the Coreli Corp. I partook of a nerve stick and chatted with the manager, James Snowscoran. We shared a glass of Khanid wine as well.
There are many such "bars" to visit in the form of a virtual projection of your character where much RP takes place.
In addition, it is understood that while exploration does have some value, the ability to make a career out of exploring is being added to future updates (I believe as soon as Kali, IIRC).
True, the 'virtual' bar is not as visually appealing as being able to "see" the environs, but the RP can make up for it; depending on how creative you are.
You can also join the in-game channel, 'La Maison de tous les Plaisirs' for RP fun.
That sounds like a MUD or chat program and Im not into that. I want to see a visually stunning bar where my character is fully rendered with the capabilities of modern computers. I did not buy a 5000$ computer to chat.
And really this isnt something that is hard technicially to do. Its just seems like the devs are unwilling to invest time in it. Most likely because that would upset their profit margin. But in the end they are losing money cause they could have recruited so many more people if this game was more than just a space ship rpg and more a mmorpg in a futuristic universe.
The numbers dont lie, Eve has an estimated of 100k subscribers. Thats nothing compared to other MMORPGS out there. Imagine how many they would get if they fully explored the possibilities of this game.
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:21:00 -
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Edited by: Hunters Presence on 17/04/2006 15:24:12
Ok, this is possibly the stupidest discussion I've ever read.
EvE is a space shooter/trading/researching/bargaining/pirating/ratting/mining/etc game. It is not a pub simulator.
Your same arguments could apply to anything! How come in a World War II shooter you can't just sit down and have a cup of tea with the enemy? How come in Command and Conquer you can't take control of an individual character and throw him into the ocean?
It's because that isn't the game, plain and simple. EvE is what it is.
Whilst being able to walk around my battlecruiser might be very cool, there's still the slight issue of RUNNING AN ENTIRE MMO for CCP to worry about before they go designing a whole new engine to handle indoor environments (effectively, a whole new game from a programming position).
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And really this isnt something that is hard technicially to do. Its just seems like the devs are unwilling to invest time in it. Most likely because that would upset their profit margin. But in the end they are losing money cause they could have recruited so many more people if this game was more than just a space ship rpg and more a mmorpg in a futuristic universe.
Then make it yourself and stop asking CCP to alter our game, sheesh. It's at the same level as saying 'Quake II could've been so better if after fighting the war with the Strogg you go home and have a roleplaying game with a virtual family ala the Sims.'
Plus, if you think And really this isnt something that is hard technicially to do you're incredibly ignorant of games programming.
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Jobie Thickburger
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hunters Presence
Edited by: Hunters Presence on 17/04/2006 15:29:49
Ok, this is possibly the stupidest discussion I've ever read.
EvE is a space shooter/trading/researching/bargaining/pirating/ratting/mining/etc game. It is not a pub simulator.
AMEN! Preach it Brother! 
Pretty much, it all boils down to: If you don't like it, find a game that has it that you do like. Just that any more asteroids for the rest of us
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Eunice Ganbaatar
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:17:00 -
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(I'll probably get the EVE equivilant of a stake burning just suggesting this...)
Anyone wanting to RP out of pod experiences in a graphical format could check out Second Life (really, it's not just about virtual nookie!). There's a place there called Nexus Prime that reminds me a lot of some of the stations in EVE.
And if I ever manage to drag myself off EVE for any amount of time you might find me there as Merry Calliope, airship captain.
Not as pretty as EVE but very versatile and probably a good choice for anyone looking for a 'pub simulator'. (Excellent pub being on Sanctum Sanctorum, btw).
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Eunice Ganbaatar
(I'll probably get the EVE equivilant of a stake burning just suggesting this...)
Anyone wanting to RP out of pod experiences in a graphical format could check out Second Life (really, it's not just about virtual nookie!). There's a place there called Nexus Prime that reminds me a lot of some of the stations in EVE.
And if I ever manage to drag myself off EVE for any amount of time you might find me there as Merry Calliope, airship captain.
Not as pretty as EVE but very versatile and probably a good choice for anyone looking for a 'pub simulator'. (Excellent pub being on Sanctum Sanctorum, btw).
Second... Life...
Comparing that game to EVE in any way is an insult.
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Rezo Largul
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:24:00 -
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Yes, but if all you want to do is hang out and pretend to drink beer...well...that's SL.
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Eunice Ganbaatar
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:26:00 -
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That was me. Gah, this forum software is whacked.
I'll add that SL isn't really a game...considering it has no point. It's really just a crazy construction set. So it wouldn't be comparable to EVE or really any game at all.
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Kalamurii Izanthor
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:38:00 -
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Oh jees, this is all besides the point, your only bored because your a noob and only make a 10k isk profit by mining in a frigate. This game is awesome once you have a financial resource to back up your adventures. Start by joining a corporation that provides financial assistance, loans or such. Trust me this game is mainly for player to player interaction, so try joining a good corporation, go on missions with them or even mining with them, trust me, mining with a few friends is not boring, since you will be talking to them. (What is more fun, taking a walk through the park by yourself or a few of your best friends?)
Once you get a financial resource (I rat in my Megathron in 0.0 where the bounties of the regular battleships reach 1.5 million) it is much more interesting. You can then with finacial resources do what all EVE gamers are destined to do, Conquer the world.
I remember being a noob, and i really thought about dropping this game, but then some random guy contacted me about the message i put on the rookie channel about protecting miners while they mine by killing the rats quickly, Well i joined his corporation and made a ton of other friends who were more than willing to help me get my ships and mods and anything i needed for basically free. Remember even 10 million isk is nothing to someone who Rats in a battleship in 0.0 not to mention the amount of isk that you can sell the large and medium loot for in empire.
And you say that this game is poor in graphics.....
Try saying that when your in a gang of at least 5 ships or even less attacking onother fleet of the similar or smaller size, if you want to see the graphical aspect of this game, try shooting someone (prefferably someone you can beat).
But dont become a pirate, start by shooting pirates, i dont need another name on my corporations pirate hit list lol.
I know its long and boring until you get up to this point with having to train all the skills requirements, but when you get there its worth it. So like i said try joining a competent corporation, (not an alliance as in those you will be forgotten amongst all the battleships) a corporation that is relatively small which does somethiong other than mining all the time as that just sucks all the fun out of tha game, as someone elses bio said "Make War, Not Ore"
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.04.18 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jango Crowl
Its not about what you can do on the planets. Its about imersion.
You already have immersion... in thousands of liters of "goo" inside your pod! 
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Fellet
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Posted - 2006.04.18 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
No, you can't leave your pod.
But what do you mean "is that the extend of this game"?
I could say just as well that WoW is pointless because you never leave your body--all you do is run around with a sword chopping things, and its really boring. Except unlike EVE, where such a statement would be silly, its perfectly valid for World of Warcrap. And Ultima Online sucked ever since EA killed it.
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I enjoyd WoW alot .. till i finished all the high end raid instances , then it all went down hill :( grinding for purple is boring .
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Marine HK4861
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Posted - 2006.04.18 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hunters Presence
Hunters Presence:
Whilst being able to walk around my battlecruiser might be very cool,
Actually from a RP perspective, I don't think that's possible with capsuleer ships. If the only occupant of the entire ship is encased in a self sustaining pod, it makes little sense to add unneccesary things like life support and living space on the ship.
If you really want to walk around your ship, then make a suggestion to CCP in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum.
Just remember that this sort of thing would have a powergrid and CPU cost.
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AlexCA
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Posted - 2006.04.18 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
Originally by: Hunters Presence
Hunters Presence:
Whilst being able to walk around my battlecruiser might be very cool,
Actually from a RP perspective, I don't think that's possible with capsuleer ships. If the only occupant of the entire ship is encased in a self sustaining pod, it makes little sense to add unneccesary things like life support and living space on the ship.
If you really want to walk around your ship, then make a suggestion to CCP in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum.
Just remember that this sort of thing would have a powergrid and CPU cost.
ships (large frigates and up) do have crew, its the command functions that are routed through your pod replacing senior staff, but there is still maintenace crew into the thousands on BS.
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