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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.04.16 15:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Ithildin
Under-used cruisers would be, if considering intentional PvP use :-
Amarr: Auguror, Arbitrator, Omen*
Caldari: Osprey
Gallente: Exequrour, Celestis*
Minmatar: Scythe, Bellicose
* These ships are becoming more common
The tier 1's are all civilian type cruisers, and theres no good reason to use one for PvP unless you intend to boost someone else.
I guess the arbi is under-used because the vexor is regarded as better.
No-one uses the bellicose becuase its rubbish.
The celestis and the omen are both good ships and should obviously be more used.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.04.16 16:11:00 -
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Arbitrator is really cool IMO. Dual rep, tracking disruptors, NOS and drones as primary weapon... I also fit an injector in case I get jammed and cant run the NOS but drones are not really bothered about the jammers. BTW TDs work on drones (u gotta have the TS specialization skill @ lvl 4 at least to have an effect on drones), me and a ceptor took down a domi like that by disrupting his drone
Caracal with T2 prec. missiles does sounds very deadly, against an arbi I think the starting range and EW on caracal would determine the outcome.
Vexor vs Arbi, I would say abri wins straight away unless the vexor has jammers.
I really like the impact of the cruiser changes on EVE, they are very fun to fly and really cheap to replace, a ship class where not the SP but the pilots skill shines through
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.04.16 16:27:00 -
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I can attest to that killing a properly fitted cara in a rax is a deificult proposition,
Vexor pwns though, and i'd prolly hav a feeling a well skilled maller would also give darks cara setup issues.
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.04.16 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Vexor vs Arbi, I would say abri wins straight away unless the vexor has jammers.
vexor has more grid than an arbi, the same damage (although prolly more since a gal pilot will most likely have maxes drone skills an amarr prolly not)
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.16 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Darpz
I can attest to that killing a properly fitted cara in a rax is a deificult proposition,
Vexor pwns though, and i'd prolly hav a feeling a well skilled maller would also give darks cara setup issues.
Yeah, I have yet to fight a Maller in my caracal.
My main worry is that a plated maller would just take so farking long to take down that it might be able to eat through my shields.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.04.16 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Under-used cruisers would be, if considering intentional PvP use :-
Caldari: Osprey
Osprey is like, a mining and mission support ship. Nobody would use one in PVP because it'd just get blown away, and those bonuses on the Osprey won't help much, unless you plan to mine your enemy to death.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.16 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Ithildin
Under-used cruisers would be, if considering intentional PvP use :-
Caldari: Osprey
Osprey is like, a mining and mission support ship. Nobody would use one in PVP because it'd just get blown away, and those bonuses on the Osprey won't help much, unless you plan to mine your enemy to death.
Have you not seen Ugluuk's Osprey video? 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.16 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Have you not seen Ugluuk's Osprey video?
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.04.16 17:48:00 -
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im gonna go pirating in an augorer or some **** later to prove a point.
not sure what that point is though...
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Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.04.16 18:04:00 -
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.16 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Montero
you slate the vexor then big up the arbi, which is like a poor man's vex.
The biggest difference is that the Vexor fit a few more guns, while the Arbitrator fit a few more EWar modules. Otherwise the HP difference isn't pronounced at all. I'd actually put my money on Arbitrator in a straight slug-fest between the two.
You've obviously not flown a vexor. Debate not with montero, for he has learned the way of the Spul eM.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.04.16 18:16:00 -
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agreed spul informed me of the vexors greatness and he is definatly a better vexor pilot than me.
i wouldn't say i was unqualified to debate the point though
Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk
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Fuyursuki
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Posted - 2006.04.16 19:32:00 -
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Erm Ithildin's ok in saying that the osprey etc is an underused ship for pvp because he's saying in regards to my question...
Speaking of oprey's, that vids ace 
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Frools
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Posted - 2006.04.16 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
Amarr: Omen*
* These ships are becoming more common
i <3 my omen, its cheap as ****, does slightly outdamage maller and looks awesome, whereas maller is ugly as sin 
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.04.17 01:00:00 -
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I've yet to lose a caracal to a thorax.
Tip - i'd love to see those blasters hit at 79km off. Especially when I can MWD as fast as a 'rax and can run an MWD pretty much indefinitely.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.17 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zekk Pacus
I've yet to lose a caracal to a thorax.
Tip - i'd love to see those blasters hit at 79km off. Especially when I can MWD as fast as a 'rax and can run an MWD pretty much indefinitely.
WTB 79km warp scrambler.
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:50:00 -
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I'm always amazed at people who post that when I mention this. Obviously it's not a solo PvP setup - cruisers in general in solo PvP (0.0 PvP, anyway) = death. I generally use it when the only other person online who's up for some roaming is an inty/frig pilot.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.04.18 01:09:00 -
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have yet to lose arbitrator 1v1.
can't wait to meet with vexor.
the only caracals that made it away were fitting stabs... =s
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Laughlyn Vaughns
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Posted - 2006.04.18 01:21:00 -
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any ship with the right skills has its benefits over the other ships, my caracal tore my corp mates Brutix a new A-hole and he's all T2'd up same as me in my caracal, a mix of Fury missiles overcame his armor tank and my shield comp skills and cap booster helped me take his damage, we started a regualr 25km standoff, i allowed him to lock me first off to make up for the fact he had to get into range, we didnt use drones in this test tho, my own drones with my skilsl would have over powered his anyways so we called them a stalemate and waste of cash.
Also i reccomended the Bellicose to another noob corpmate for his first crusier, he like all the rest wanted to rush into the biggest and powerful cruiser with no idea how to work it and would more than likly lost it and become more expensive, Bell is abotu 3mill (half - third cost of rupture) and it is a good balanced ship, u can modify the number of turrets or missiles depending on ur opponents and it has a great range and nowdays he loves that more than anythin else lol, he's only lost a couple doign missions and he's still learning but if them 2 was ruptures it'd be 15-17mill whereas with the bell its abotu 6mill.
All in all there isnt any "Best Ship" just better pilots in them ships and the imagination of the pilot as to what can overcome the other guys ship.
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Zekk Pacus
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Posted - 2006.04.18 01:32:00 -
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^^ indeed. You can have the most expensive ship with the best gear in the game and uber one-time-only CCP special edition wtfpwn modules but if you don't know what you're doing you'll lose it. It's all about the fittings and the skills (both in-game and actual player) of the person flying the ship. For example I know a guy who regularily popped groups of inties (up to about 6 I believe) in an Osprey, and another who gets the oddest kills I've ever seen with the weirdest ships ever (rupture vs megathron - Rupture WINS, Fatality!).
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.04.18 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Montero on 18/04/2006 04:38:23
Originally by: Weirda
have yet to lose arbitrator 1v1.
can't wait to meet with vexor.
the only caracals that made it away were fitting stabs... =s
convo spul em and ask him for a 1v1. seriously. oh and fraps it.
Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.04.18 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Montero
Edited by: Montero on 18/04/2006 04:38:23
Originally by: Weirda
have yet to lose arbitrator 1v1.
can't wait to meet with vexor.
the only caracals that made it away were fitting stabs... =s
convo spul em and ask him for a 1v1. seriously. oh and fraps it.
do it
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Spul eM
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Posted - 2006.04.18 22:26:00 -
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YARR, I would like to challenge every cruiser for a 1v1 and see what happens. I think vex is with no doubt best t1 cruiser. just know how to use it :P
anyways, evemail or convo me for a 1v1. Already challenged Weirda myself. looking forward to it
Spul
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Laughlyn Vaughns
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Posted - 2006.04.18 22:45:00 -
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yeah we sumtimes do insane Vs action, best 1v1 we did was itty V vs Moa 
i (thought i had) Frapsed it but i'd setup wrong and it'd not recorded it right so hopefully we're gonna do it again. it was just a case of thinking outside the box with a corp mate to try prove to him to train his other skills up and not just get the biggest and best ships, heard of many a noob flyin round in rocket Ravens or tempests with 650mm arties and medium shield boosters.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.04.18 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:08:06
Originally by: fmercury
Vexor is da best.
A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;)
I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank.
I have yet to lose. And no I don't use EW.
There is truth to this deal with the Vexor though. The only cruiser I have lost to in my Caracal is a Vexor. Though that was partially due to my own stupidity 
now i know that its just complete rubbish what you are saying. why? because the vexor is based upon nossing its enemies cap away, which your setup (****loads of shields, combined with no cap used for launchers should counter easily)
on the other hand you keep claiming that you own the thorax with is nearly impossible if he flies that thing properly, after 2 volleys you have my shields down, but than your ship is soo nerfed from fury missiles or whatever your shooting that once that thorax sits on top of you, you die under 30 seconds with or without 5-6 k shields...
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.04.18 23:26:00 -
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beleave me he speaks the truth, i've tried twice with raxes and i'm very good in them and I could not get thru his shields quick enough. and my tank couldn't hold with all my blasters cooking away my cap.
vexor allows me to sit back and soak up damage while my drones kill off the cara
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.04.18 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 18/04/2006 23:43:07
Originally by: Montero
i see no reason why any t1 cruiser in eve should ever beat a vexor wthout ewar. and even then, i've killed blackbirds 1v1 whilst jammed.
How do you plan to beat a Stabber that can keep outside of 10km and blows up your drones? :D
Originally by: Valea Silpha
No-one uses the bellicose becuase its rubbish.
3x 720 arties, 1 Heavy Launcher, 1 Cloak and 2 webs and a painter or two = PWNED frigates/lightly tanked cruisers etc in a single volley ^^
I'd say with the right setup any cruiser can best any cruiser, I could beat a Rupture in my Stabber, I could beat a Stabber in a Rupture, it all comes down to peronal tactics and setups...
But for the OP, I'd say make it the first teir "mining" cruisers; Scythe, Augoror, Exquorer, and Osprey.
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:08:06
Originally by: fmercury
Vexor is da best.
A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;)
I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank.
I have yet to lose. And no I don't use EW.
There is truth to this deal with the Vexor though. The only cruiser I have lost to in my Caracal is a Vexor. Though that was partially due to my own stupidity
now i know that its just complete rubbish what you are saying. why? because the vexor is based upon nossing its enemies cap away, which your setup (****loads of shields, combined with no cap used for launchers should counter easily)
The reason the vexor won was because it had a very powerful tank that was NOS-powered, NOT because it NOSed my cap away.
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