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Fuyursuki	Posted - 2006.04.16 02:20:00 - [1] Had a frig tournament earlier today with the corp and very good fun indeed Just thinking about upgrading the competition to cruisers, but don't want people to use the top class fighting one (i.e rupture, thorax etc), so just wondered what people consider the 'second class' fighting cruiser. For mm I would suggest the stabber, the gallente have the vexor, amarr the omen and not sure of the caldari one, perhaps the blackbird? Now I know each ship has its niche but they are what I consider the best balance of cost and fighting power below the fighter cruisers. Any opinions would be most welcome. 'Suki
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.16 02:31:00 - [2] The Caracal is Tier 2, but in my opinion is without a doubt the most powerful cruiser in EVE. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Hait	Posted - 2006.04.16 02:33:00 - [3] How about a mining cruiser fight: Osprey, Scythe, Exequror and ummm, I guess Amarr don't mine so the Augoror will have to do
fmercury	Posted - 2006.04.16 02:45:00 - [4] Edited by: fmercury on 16/04/2006 02:45:27 Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;)
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.04.16 02:47:00 - [5] Originally by: fmercury Edited by: fmercury on 16/04/2006 02:45:27 Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I would 'lol' at the sight of a thorax MWDing towards a fury heavy missle carcal
JADE DRAG0NESS	Posted - 2006.04.16 02:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: fmercury Edited by: fmercury on 16/04/2006 02:45:27 Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I would 'lol' at the sight of a thorax MWDing towards a fury heavy missle carcal You sure there would be time to type lol.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.16 03:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:08:06 Originally by: fmercury Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank. I have yet to lose. And no I don't use EW. There is truth to this deal with the Vexor though. The only cruiser I have lost to in my Caracal is a Vexor. Though that was partially due to my own stupidity [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.16 03:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Dark Shikari The Caracal is Tier 2, but in my opinion is without a doubt the most powerful cruiser in EVE. Only because precision heavies are uber. Once a thorax closes the distance on it, or a Moa gets into AM range, it's not going to hold up all that well. Plus a BB will just jam him and prevent it from ever locking, and just how many FOFs do you normally carry? Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.16 03:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:08:06 Originally by: fmercury Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank. Assuming you mean tank/gank raxes, but I can't help but wonder how you're starting point blank, and out-tanking them, when a blasterax is going to be doing 2x your damage, something just doesn't seem quite right in there... Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
fmercury	Posted - 2006.04.16 06:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:08:06 Originally by: fmercury Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank. Doesn't prove anything. Maybe the pilots were low-sp, or just morons? Thorax is going to be doing twice your DPS and still be able to fit a decent tank. While the caracal can tank pretty nicely it's not going to hold up to the ~500 DPS of a t2 rax :)
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.04.16 07:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari The Caracal is Tier 2, but in my opinion is without a doubt the most powerful cruiser in EVE. No such thing as the most powerful (cruiser, battleship, whatever.) Thorax/maller would toast a caracal. It all comes down to pilots and setups. Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Zysco	Posted - 2006.04.16 07:25:00 - [12] There is currently no cruiser ingame that can kill a max skills vexor without the use of ew. New Petition Inc Vid
Lorth	Posted - 2006.04.16 07:31:00 - [13] Vexor is NOT a second class cruiser. Just not many people know how to fit it.
Rorix Whitecloud	Posted - 2006.04.16 07:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Lorth Vexor is NOT a second class cruiser. Just not many people know how to fit it. I think he meant tier 2 cruiser... ~I don't remember. That's the second thing they teach you.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.16 08:45:00 - [15] tier 2, you want a vexor or a caracal solo. blackbird or caracal in groups heard nice things about the stabber too, but i know very little about it Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
R31D	Posted - 2006.04.16 10:08:00 - [16] If a Vexor with Blasters lands on top of you, say goodbye Free bumpage for all
Valen L'eganas	Posted - 2006.04.16 11:21:00 - [17] Edited by: Valen L''eganas on 16/04/2006 11:23:15 Originally by: R31D If a Vexor with Blasters lands on top of you, say goodbye What good is all that firepower if you can't even lock your target??? For every measure... there is a countermeasure.... In the end its about balls, and brains but often luck too... I sometimes fly blasterrax, BB, Damp-Celest or Caracal, but mostly its about my mood when I choose my ship. ---------------------- *Homo Sapiens non Urinat in ventum*
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.16 12:05:00 - [18] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 12:07:56 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: fmercury Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank. Doesn't prove anything. Maybe the pilots were low-sp, or just morons? Thorax is going to be doing twice your DPS and still be able to fit a decent tank. While the caracal can tank pretty nicely it's not going to hold up to the ~500 DPS of a t2 rax :) You would be very, very surprised. I don't want to say that the Caracal is overpowered, but I highly doubt that any Thorax can beat a Caracal. The only ship I have lost to is a Vexor (yes, the Vexor is a VERY good ship). I'm not entirely sure if it was due to his setup being better or me making a number of very dumb tactical mistakes. Always remember that a Caracal can kill any untanked cruiser in a maximum of 4 volleys. So a gankrax will die in 24 seconds (8 second refire * 3 volleys, as the first volley is instant). That means a gankrax will do 12000 unhardened damage, or about 6000 hardened. The shield will probably recharge about 1000 of that during that time, so about 5000 actual damage. Since the caracal will probably have the advantage at the start of the battle as it can simply lock and fire before the thorax can get in range (even if they start at 15km), it will probably save itself another 1000 damage. Thus, the Caracal ends up with 2500 shields left (rough calculation). [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.04.16 12:52:00 - [19] Toe to Toe if you beat a Thorax with a Caracal at point blank without ewar I wouldn't even mention it to anyone because it just means you fought a nublet. Plain and simple. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Firequill	Posted - 2006.04.16 14:02:00 - [20] Omg... No he didnt mean tier 2 cruisers, he meant the lesser, second-rate cruisers like an auguror, celestis, vexor .. auguror, hmm i hadnt looked at its new bonuses since rmr.. lol 10% armor bonus per lvl? celestis has more ewar so might not be too fun to duel.. blackbird, nah, same as celes.. no fun in being jammed/damped to hell through a duel..
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.16 14:07:00 - [21] moa is second class Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Montero	Posted - 2006.04.16 14:17:00 - [22] i see no reason why any t1 cruiser in eve should ever beat a vexor wthout ewar. and even then, i've killed blackbirds 1v1 whilst jammed. Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk ISD USE HAX AND SPLOITS
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.16 14:39:00 - [23] The tiers. Tier 1 (aka "Logistics tier"): Augoror, Exequrour, Osprey, Scythe. Tier 2 (aka "Electronic Warfare tier"): Arbitrator, Celestis, Blackbird, Bellicose Tier 2.5 (aka "Assault tier"): Omen, Vexor, Caracal, Stabber Tier 3 (aka "State of the art tier"): Maller, Thorax, Moa, Rupture If you want the "strongest" cruisers, I'd say: Maller, Thorax, Caracal, Rupture. If you want the "second strongest" cruisers, I'd say: Arbitrator, Vexor, Blackbird, Stabber. The Vexor is lacking slightly in hit points, those 4 low slots aren't going to make for too many good setups, as well as the lack of backup drones is annoying. The Arbitrator is just nasty. Anything but Blackbirds or Caracal's are going to feel an intense sensation of missery when attacking Arbitrators. Originally by: Firequill auguror, hmm i hadnt looked at its new bonuses since rmr.. lol 10% armor bonus per lvl? Not to nitpick, but the Augoror has had +10% armour hit points since middle of Castor, when all cruisers got their second bonus. Might be wrong, though, in which case it's had that bonus since launch. The new RMR bonus on Augoror is the energy transfer bonus. Latest EVE musing (MC-boards)
Montero	Posted - 2006.04.16 14:40:00 - [24] you slate the vexor then big up the arbi, which is like a poor man's vex. Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk ISD USE HAX AND SPLOITS
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.04.16 14:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Valen L'eganas What good is all that firepower if you can't even lock your target??? Use the drones Luke. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Imperial Baddour I just lost my ship, and dont feel like playing anymore!
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Montero you slate the vexor then big up the arbi, which is like a poor man's vex. The biggest difference is that the Vexor fit a few more guns, while the Arbitrator fit a few more EWar modules. Otherwise the HP difference isn't pronounced at all. I'd actually put my money on Arbitrator in a straight slug-fest between the two. Latest EVE musing (MC-boards)
Fuyursuki	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:14:00 - [27] Wow, cheers guys didn't expect this many people to reply, but its all good. Some interesting suggestions here, but I guess I could have been clearer about what I was asking Basically I wanted to use the more underused ships, seeing as any respectable pilot knows how to fit his races primary cruiser (or what most people consider the best one at least). I would think a Caracal would just kill anything on the field in about 20 seconds (the kessies were bad enough in the frigate wars!) so a jamming Blackbird may pose an interesting opponent, as would a Arbitrator. The list posted by Ithildin is useful, seeing as it puts my question in a better way :/ Thanks guys, and keep them coming! æSuki
Firequill	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Firequill auguror, hmm i hadnt looked at its new bonuses since rmr.. lol 10% armor bonus per lvl? Originally by: Ithildin Not to nitpick, but the Augoror has had +10% armour hit points since middle of Castor, when all cruisers got their second bonus. Might be wrong, though, in which case it's had that bonus since launch. The new RMR bonus on Augoror is the energy transfer bonus. Oh? o well, then again, ive never flown one, heck the only ammar stuff ive flown is a punisher
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:18:00 - [29] Under-used cruisers would be, if considering intentional PvP use :- Amarr: Auguror, Arbitrator, Omen* Caldari: Osprey Gallente: Exequrour, Celestis* Minmatar: Scythe, Bellicose * These ships are becoming more common Latest EVE musing (MC-boards)
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:27:00 - [30] ♥ vexor, drone interfacing 5 makes it nice Second image removed, please only use one image in your signature - Petwraith :( ingameboard.asp?a=topi
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.04.16 15:58:00 - [31] Originally by: Ithildin Under-used cruisers would be, if considering intentional PvP use :- Amarr: Auguror, Arbitrator, Omen* Caldari: Osprey Gallente: Exequrour, Celestis* Minmatar: Scythe, Bellicose * These ships are becoming more common The tier 1's are all civilian type cruisers, and theres no good reason to use one for PvP unless you intend to boost someone else. I guess the arbi is under-used because the vexor is regarded as better. No-one uses the bellicose becuase its rubbish. The celestis and the omen are both good ships and should obviously be more used.
Kunming	Posted - 2006.04.16 16:11:00 - [32] Arbitrator is really cool IMO. Dual rep, tracking disruptors, NOS and drones as primary weapon... I also fit an injector in case I get jammed and cant run the NOS but drones are not really bothered about the jammers. BTW TDs work on drones (u gotta have the TS specialization skill @ lvl 4 at least to have an effect on drones), me and a ceptor took down a domi like that by disrupting his drone Caracal with T2 prec. missiles does sounds very deadly, against an arbi I think the starting range and EW on caracal would determine the outcome. Vexor vs Arbi, I would say abri wins straight away unless the vexor has jammers. I really like the impact of the cruiser changes on EVE, they are very fun to fly and really cheap to replace, a ship class where not the SP but the pilots skill shines through Website Kaos Empire Killboard
Darpz	Posted - 2006.04.16 16:27:00 - [33] I can attest to that killing a properly fitted cara in a rax is a deificult proposition, Vexor pwns though, and i'd prolly hav a feeling a well skilled maller would also give darks cara setup issues. The only good fix is a DEAD fix
Darpz	Posted - 2006.04.16 16:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Kunming Vexor vs Arbi, I would say abri wins straight away unless the vexor has jammers. vexor has more grid than an arbi, the same damage (although prolly more since a gal pilot will most likely have maxes drone skills an amarr prolly not) The only good fix is a DEAD fix
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:32:00 - [35] Originally by: Darpz I can attest to that killing a properly fitted cara in a rax is a deificult proposition, Vexor pwns though, and i'd prolly hav a feeling a well skilled maller would also give darks cara setup issues. Yeah, I have yet to fight a Maller in my caracal. My main worry is that a plated maller would just take so farking long to take down that it might be able to eat through my shields. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Ithildin Under-used cruisers would be, if considering intentional PvP use :- Caldari: Osprey Osprey is like, a mining and mission support ship. Nobody would use one in PVP because it'd just get blown away, and those bonuses on the Osprey won't help much, unless you plan to mine your enemy to death. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Ithildin Under-used cruisers would be, if considering intentional PvP use :- Caldari: Osprey Osprey is like, a mining and mission support ship. Nobody would use one in PVP because it'd just get blown away, and those bonuses on the Osprey won't help much, unless you plan to mine your enemy to death. Have you not seen Ugluuk's Osprey video? [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Dark Shikari Have you not seen Ugluuk's Osprey video? no. linky! Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Montero	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:48:00 - [39] im gonna go pirating in an augorer or some **** later to prove a point. not sure what that point is though... Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk ISD USE HAX AND SPLOITS
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.04.16 18:04:00 - [40] Here Tharsis Security now recruiting!
Zysco	Posted - 2006.04.16 18:15:00 - [41] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Montero you slate the vexor then big up the arbi, which is like a poor man's vex. The biggest difference is that the Vexor fit a few more guns, while the Arbitrator fit a few more EWar modules. Otherwise the HP difference isn't pronounced at all. I'd actually put my money on Arbitrator in a straight slug-fest between the two. You've obviously not flown a vexor. Debate not with montero, for he has learned the way of the Spul eM. New Petition Inc Vid
Montero	Posted - 2006.04.16 18:16:00 - [42] agreed spul informed me of the vexors greatness and he is definatly a better vexor pilot than me. i wouldn't say i was unqualified to debate the point though Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk ISD USE HAX AND SPLOITS
Fuyursuki	Posted - 2006.04.16 19:32:00 - [43] Erm Ithildin's ok in saying that the osprey etc is an underused ship for pvp because he's saying in regards to my question... Speaking of oprey's, that vids ace
Frools	Posted - 2006.04.16 23:19:00 - [44] Originally by: Ithildin Amarr: Omen* * These ships are becoming more common i <3 my omen, its cheap as ****, does slightly outdamage maller and looks awesome, whereas maller is ugly as sin
Zekk Pacus	Posted - 2006.04.17 01:00:00 - [45] I've yet to lose a caracal to a thorax. Tip - i'd love to see those blasters hit at 79km off. Especially when I can MWD as fast as a 'rax and can run an MWD pretty much indefinitely.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.17 01:08:00 - [46] Originally by: Zekk Pacus I've yet to lose a caracal to a thorax. Tip - i'd love to see those blasters hit at 79km off. Especially when I can MWD as fast as a 'rax and can run an MWD pretty much indefinitely. WTB 79km warp scrambler. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
Zekk Pacus	Posted - 2006.04.18 00:50:00 - [47] I'm always amazed at people who post that when I mention this. Obviously it's not a solo PvP setup - cruisers in general in solo PvP (0.0 PvP, anyway) = death. I generally use it when the only other person online who's up for some roaming is an inty/frig pilot.
Weirda	Posted - 2006.04.18 01:09:00 - [48] have yet to lose arbitrator 1v1. can't wait to meet with vexor. the only caracals that made it away were fitting stabs... =s __ Weirda Assault Ship deserve a 4th Bonus and More!
Laughlyn Vaughns	Posted - 2006.04.18 01:21:00 - [49] any ship with the right skills has its benefits over the other ships, my caracal tore my corp mates Brutix a new A-hole and he's all T2'd up same as me in my caracal, a mix of Fury missiles overcame his armor tank and my shield comp skills and cap booster helped me take his damage, we started a regualr 25km standoff, i allowed him to lock me first off to make up for the fact he had to get into range, we didnt use drones in this test tho, my own drones with my skilsl would have over powered his anyways so we called them a stalemate and waste of cash. Also i reccomended the Bellicose to another noob corpmate for his first crusier, he like all the rest wanted to rush into the biggest and powerful cruiser with no idea how to work it and would more than likly lost it and become more expensive, Bell is abotu 3mill (half - third cost of rupture) and it is a good balanced ship, u can modify the number of turrets or missiles depending on ur opponents and it has a great range and nowdays he loves that more than anythin else lol, he's only lost a couple doign missions and he's still learning but if them 2 was ruptures it'd be 15-17mill whereas with the bell its abotu 6mill. All in all there isnt any "Best Ship" just better pilots in them ships and the imagination of the pilot as to what can overcome the other guys ship.
Zekk Pacus	Posted - 2006.04.18 01:32:00 - [50] ^^ indeed. You can have the most expensive ship with the best gear in the game and uber one-time-only CCP special edition wtfpwn modules but if you don't know what you're doing you'll lose it. It's all about the fittings and the skills (both in-game and actual player) of the person flying the ship. For example I know a guy who regularily popped groups of inties (up to about 6 I believe) in an Osprey, and another who gets the oddest kills I've ever seen with the weirdest ships ever (rupture vs megathron - Rupture WINS, Fatality!).
Montero	Posted - 2006.04.18 04:38:00 - [51] Edited by: Montero on 18/04/2006 04:38:23 Originally by: Weirda have yet to lose arbitrator 1v1. can't wait to meet with vexor. the only caracals that made it away were fitting stabs... =s convo spul em and ask him for a 1v1. seriously. oh and fraps it. Keep profanity & moderation discussion out of your sig, please. --Jorauk ISD USE HAX AND SPLOITS
Zysco	Posted - 2006.04.18 05:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Montero Edited by: Montero on 18/04/2006 04:38:23 Originally by: Weirda have yet to lose arbitrator 1v1. can't wait to meet with vexor. the only caracals that made it away were fitting stabs... =s convo spul em and ask him for a 1v1. seriously. oh and fraps it. do it New Petition Inc Vid
Spul eM	Posted - 2006.04.18 22:26:00 - [53] YARR, I would like to challenge every cruiser for a 1v1 and see what happens. I think vex is with no doubt best t1 cruiser. just know how to use it :P anyways, evemail or convo me for a 1v1. Already challenged Weirda myself. looking forward to it Spul
Laughlyn Vaughns	Posted - 2006.04.18 22:45:00 - [54] yeah we sumtimes do insane Vs action, best 1v1 we did was itty V vs Moa i (thought i had) Frapsed it but i'd setup wrong and it'd not recorded it right so hopefully we're gonna do it again. it was just a case of thinking outside the box with a corp mate to try prove to him to train his other skills up and not just get the biggest and best ships, heard of many a noob flyin round in rocket Ravens or tempests with 650mm arties and medium shield boosters.
madaluap	Posted - 2006.04.18 23:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:08:06 Originally by: fmercury Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank. I have yet to lose. And no I don't use EW. There is truth to this deal with the Vexor though. The only cruiser I have lost to in my Caracal is a Vexor. Though that was partially due to my own stupidity now i know that its just complete rubbish what you are saying. why? because the vexor is based upon nossing its enemies cap away, which your setup (****loads of shields, combined with no cap used for launchers should counter easily) on the other hand you keep claiming that you own the thorax with is nearly impossible if he flies that thing properly, after 2 volleys you have my shields down, but than your ship is soo nerfed from fury missiles or whatever your shooting that once that thorax sits on top of you, you die under 30 seconds with or without 5-6 k shields... _________________________________________________ no sig :(
Darpz	Posted - 2006.04.18 23:26:00 - [56] beleave me he speaks the truth, i've tried twice with raxes and i'm very good in them and I could not get thru his shields quick enough. and my tank couldn't hold with all my blasters cooking away my cap. vexor allows me to sit back and soak up damage while my drones kill off the cara The only good fix is a DEAD fix
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.04.18 23:39:00 - [57] Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 18/04/2006 23:43:07 Originally by: Montero i see no reason why any t1 cruiser in eve should ever beat a vexor wthout ewar. and even then, i've killed blackbirds 1v1 whilst jammed. How do you plan to beat a Stabber that can keep outside of 10km and blows up your drones? :D Originally by: Valea Silpha No-one uses the bellicose becuase its rubbish. 3x 720 arties, 1 Heavy Launcher, 1 Cloak and 2 webs and a painter or two = PWNED frigates/lightly tanked cruisers etc in a single volley ^^ I'd say with the right setup any cruiser can best any cruiser, I could beat a Rupture in my Stabber, I could beat a Stabber in a Rupture, it all comes down to peronal tactics and setups... But for the OP, I'd say make it the first teir "mining" cruisers; Scythe, Augoror, Exquorer, and Osprey. Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild CAPS LOCK IS THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.04.18 23:41:00 - [58] Originally by: madaluap Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/04/2006 03:08:06 Originally by: fmercury Vexor is da best. A thorax would toast a caracal and you know it shikari ;) I have dueled both gank and tank/plated caracals, all beginning at point blank. I have yet to lose. And no I don't use EW. There is truth to this deal with the Vexor though. The only cruiser I have lost to in my Caracal is a Vexor. Though that was partially due to my own stupidity now i know that its just complete rubbish what you are saying. why? because the vexor is based upon nossing its enemies cap away, which your setup (****loads of shields, combined with no cap used for launchers should counter easily) The reason the vexor won was because it had a very powerful tank that was NOS-powered, NOT because it NOSed my cap away. [23] Member: Official Forum Warrior What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.

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