Just because it's an option doesn't mean it needs to be exercised whenever possible.

You are the reflection of your actions. To us, you are no different than the things you do.

Smacks of false consensus effect. People like that always seem to need to think others support them rather than being able to stand up (alone if needed) for what they think.

So you never fired Mjolnir Missiles from a Griffin as part of an 8 person fleet that attacked a character names Festus on 16 February in Uuhalanen, a highsec system?

Because the evidence would suggest otherwise and you did, as part of a fleet of your Corp, gank a Prophecy which dropped a bit over 9 million ISK worth of loot and a total loss to that player of more than 67 million ISK.

So you're saying that didn't happen?

Was his wreck looted and his possessions taken?

Where did I get it from - killmails generated automatically by the game are easy to look up and the relevant killmail is api verified, not manually entered.

That was a war target. His corporation declared war on us.

The last person who said that to me was someone I was discussing a freedom of speech issue with lol. How someone else excercses a freedom (such as the freedom to play a game as you want so long as you stay within it's rules set) is no concern of yours, yet you are concerned. Seems like you have too much time on your hands



Exactly, such as posting disrespectfully (against people playing a video game within it's rules) on an internet forum which (according to you) indicates a person who is disrespectful and immature in real life. Right?

You reap what you sow.

Sorry since you are holding people up to such high standards, was it him personally that declared war against your Corp?

If you don't know that, did you ask him and did you seek his permission to gank him, a fellow Caldari faction warfare pilot, flying about his business in highsec?

Yea, but because you can play eve with no intention to voluntarily participate in PvP, you can also think poorly of those who impose it on you.

Again, I'm not saying it should be removed. But you cannot become upset that I choose to think people who steal from others are not lesser people unworthy of respect.

Also, please hurry up between making your connection how a corporation choosing to declare war on another is the same as a miner in an NPC corp innocently mining veldspar in high security.

Or how a corporation declaring war on another is the same as one player scamming another out of 1 billion isk.

Firstly, it was a mututal war, so you declared war on them too.

Secondly however, no connection to 1 billion ISK scam is necessary.

You've claimed many times that some killing someone in non-consensual pvp makes that person a lesser individual (and a host of other tersms) and that our actions in game are tied to who we are out of game.

Your gank is exactly the same thing.

Did your fleet loot his wreck and 'steal' his possessions (to use your standards on this)?

No, there's no connection between two corporations agreeing to go to war with each other, and a guy solo mining veldspar in an ncp corporation.

Your reaching too much. Your comparison is too thin and cannot support your argument.

Sorry, but you've claimed that people killing you in FW plexes qualifies for the same treatment, that the only qualifying factor is non-consensual pvp. That is exactly comparable.

Did your fleet steal his possessions after ganking him?

if you ask 'why did they join fw if they don't want pvp'

i say 'why did they undock if they didn't want to be ganked'

Can you link me the post?

If you would like, you can find me and blow me up at any time to see if I become upset, personally.

Though I may judge you as pathetically broken to wish to attempt to upset me, because I've definitely rattled your sense of self into motivating you to take action.

It comes down to the choices you make, and if you're willing to attempt to try and inflict losses on other people who are not looking to competitively wager their resources against yours, then you are also capable of trying to inflict losses on people offline as well.

You're imposing your choices on people who have different goals/objectives and ultimately different choices than your own.

if you ask 'why did they join fw if they don't want pvp'

i say 'why did they undock if they didn't want to be ganked'

all miners in high-security space, of course, have already agreed to follow a certain set of rules

these rules, or Code, stipulate that miners have agreed that they might be pvped at any time and that they have given permission for their ship to be destroyed without warning

if they didn't want to be ganked, they'd leave highsec

This will take a while to find the best 5 quotes, so I'll keep updating as the quotes build and improve (and only 5 can be included).

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More to come.

There's a difference between signing up to play EVE and signing up for faction warfare.

You know this. If there were no difference, FW wouldn't exist.

Yet just because they understand it could happen, doesn't mean they have to be happy when it does.

of course there's a difference. by joining fw you change the conditions of most pvp situations

you've still intentionally put yourself in a pvp zone in both cases

High sec mining isn't gauranteed. You can encounter 2000 people in high sec before you encounter 1 ganker.

Due to this fact, it's justifiable to conclude that the one person who chose to gank you is of lesser moral character than the other 1999 you came across.

incorrect. all miners are contractually bound to enjoy pvp encounters with gankers and to offer a GF in local chat

no. we can, however, conclude that out of two thousand people encountered, at least one was a ganker.

I signed no contract stating that. Show me where it says that, verbatim, in the EULA.

And you are allowed to believe that the person is more inferior than the other 1999.

1999 people know how to treat others with respect. That one? Well he's got problems. . . . .

the only reasonable conclusion is that one person out of two thousand, for some reason, interacted with you differently than the others

They chose to set aside one's personal feelings to accomplish their own personal goals. They view other people as objects of their enjoyment, and not as people who should be treated with respect.

I'll label them as such.