Sure they do. When they buy cheap minerals off the market in Jita they don't know or care where they came from.

Pretty much this right here.

Now why would miners be buying minerals on the market when it is already in their hangar... silly.

Goon math isnt adding up... typical.

Because they don't make enough from mining.

Like I said, miners/manufacturers do not rely on mission loot for their mats. They make the majority of everything they need from mining. They dont go and buy what they can mine (unless in a pinch maybe).

The ony thing high sec miner.manufacturers need to buy is low/null sec ores. You cant get enough zydrine or megacyte from mission loot alone either.

My point stands.

I see your problem....you appear to be laboring under the delusion that most large-scale manufacturers are the same as the large-scale miners.....

In a VERY FEW cases this may be true...but generally the hard-core PvEers focus either on a TON of mining with a little dabbling in manufacturing, or they focus on a TON of manufacturing with a little mining on the side to save costs on the more expensive minerals from time to time...The rest comes from whoever has the lowest prices on the market at the time...and much of that is refined mission loot - because whether its easier to get or not, mission runners most certainly care a lot less about what they get for their mins than people who slave all day mining them

Yeah. That's pretty much the case.

It's the old Opportunity Cost deal.

What have you sacrificed by doing what you did - instead of the things you didn't do?

For someone who is well established and making a lot of money through manufacturing - a key to their making more - is their playing time. For them - to spend their time out mining raw ore instead of managing their businesses - is a misuse of their time. Most of them started off mining - but as their manufacturing and trading interests came to dominate their business - they spent less and less time doing it.

For newer people starting out - they don't really have anything better to do with their time - (assuming they're going to be industrialists) so mining is a good use of their time.


One thing to remember about Industrialists - is that most of the larger ones are Traders too. They care how much they make off their goods. So - they aren't just industrialists - they're running a business and may well have a lot of things on their plate, managing their orders, their Planets, their research agents, etc. They may also be running missions for standings.

Here though - we are often, if not usually, talking about Players rather than Characters. Most of these guys probably have multiple accounts, the better to run more jobs and manage more planets.


Some of them still mine now and again - because they like doing it - but the bulk of their materials often come from the market. Others may have sold off their mining fleets and now rely entirely on the market.


In any case - there isn't any one way to do this and you have people at all different stages of their careers - so what's true for some may not be true for others - and what might well be the smart move for one person - may be a mistake for someone else.



I don't know if anyone has ever done an accurate survey of how much of the mineral market comes from reprocessed loot and how much from mining but it would be interesting to see. I'm not sure where you could get accurate information on that though - unless you were CCP.

*shrug*

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I don't know if anyone has ever done an accurate survey of how much of the mineral market comes from reprocessed loot and how much from mining but it would be interesting to see. I'm not sure where you could get accurate information on that though - unless you were CCP.

*shrug*

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Like I said, miners/manufacturers do not rely on mission loot for their mats. They make the majority of everything they need from mining. They dont go and buy what they can mine (unless in a pinch maybe).

The ony thing high sec miner.manufacturers need to buy is low/null sec ores. You cant get enough zydrine or megacyte from mission loot alone either.

My point stands.

Note the lack of any attempt at an official website. Tweets are the medium of viral rumors.

So all you silly people, under the new GOON management, its no surprise that a false Hulkageddon frenzy was started by a rumor. That is no accident. Its GOON humor. As in typical GOON joke there is the official straight man that they can later point you back at and say "see you fooled yourself, he never made that promise -- you assumed". Then there are all the rumor stirrers by which they trick you into doing what they want at YOUR expense -- supplying the assumptions without any concrete source.

I highly suspect that there will be no official contest with prizes. But there will be numerous false starts via rumor. The joke is as much on eager gankers as on miners. CLASSIC Goon humor. Expect the rumors of Hulkageddon starts to keep kicking off minor frenzies until no one pays attention.

Official GOON policy is that Hulkageddon is year around at modest levels -- i.e. as opportunity and the itch presents itself. Duping prize seekers makes them laugh. GOONs just weave that "volunteer" effort into their latest market schemes.

If Hulkageddon really was to be in February there would be a website by now. The website would show early donors and current expectations as to prizes and categories (which in the past was expanded when unexpected donations came in late) and official ideas as to possible start dates.

Look at this as a process by which GOONs convert a burdensome contest into an EVE holiday where annually people look to the GOON leadership for suggestions on what chaos would be fun and most benefit the GOONs - for no material benefit at all.

So you were not a goon at all is what you are telling me.

I was trying to help out the little men by providing some reasonably rewarded and easily hauled jobs but it turned out it was more like handing my stuff to morons for safekeeping.

*snip*

I have a lot more doubts based on my own experience so far. My alt and I have managed to sell close to 1 Billion ISK in the last few weeks based off just mining and turning asteroids into bullets and bombs. I'm still relatively new to this and I got that far in a three months. I found mission running a horrible way to try and get rich. The regular miners must be pumping out billions a week in this stuff.

So when is Hulkageddon? Are there dates? This will be my first and I hope I will get a t-shirt at least? Some cool swag? There better be booth babes or I'm out.

claimed (with his vast 3 months of experience)

Well, your handle does not instill my confidence in your veracity.

It seems that some people do know what they are talking about, some people are actually trying to learn from the postings, and most people think it is fun to throw the random sabo into the works. Guess who is who?

It is fun to play ALL aspects of the game, and whether you do it by hybridizing your main account or making a separate alt for every facet you try (even dedicated forum posting perhaps.

As for missions....You are a moron.

At 3 months old, there is no way in hell you are properly skilled to run missions, particularly if you have focused on mining. I can only assume that you have run a few L1 or maybe L2 missions and given up on them as "hopeless".....Which is equivalent to trying out mining in a rookie ship and giving up on THAT is a completely worthless activity.....

A well skilled mission runner can EASILY match the isk/hour of a max skilled hulk running LEVEL 3 missions.

Perhaps you shouldn't poke your nose in regarding a subject you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about....