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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 03:20:00 -
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ISS simply can't keep EC-P8R secure. Gee imagine that
Anyway KOS was out in force today, and was making several alliances jump through hoops.
Congrats to the one Crow pilot who fought me 1 vs 1, It was funny as hell. I was tagging along with members of Nexus, everyone jumps in, the two fleets meet. and everyone but 2 people immediatly run away when they see an even fight.
Thank god for 75 mm's and tracking bonuses
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Brother Zephyl
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Posted - 2006.04.17 03:27:00 -
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"Have faith in God, but believe in antimatter" nice sig
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themule
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Posted - 2006.04.17 03:54:00 -
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Shhh! Don't tell ISS that, they might move out. We like to use them to warm up for our real PvP. "Ok so we got rid of the ISS gate camp now lets get those war targets."
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Ernest Graefenberg
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Posted - 2006.04.17 06:07:00 -
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By 'taking care' of wartargets you mean leaping into smartbombs right?
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 06:42:00 -
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You aren't supposed to do that?
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2006.04.17 09:39:00 -
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Is IIS actually supposed to keep EC-P8R secure?
Here are the definitions of neutrality I found:
- nonparticipation in a dispute or war
- disinterest: tolerance attributable to a lack of involvement
- pH value of 7
We can disregard "c." in our case.
What I'm tring to say is should ISS really care about the security of a system if THEIR sovereignity isn't in danger?
As a neutral entity they should only defend themselves and not interfere with other actions.
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: George Petsch Is IIS actually supposed to keep EC-P8R secure?
Here are the definitions of neutrality I found:
- nonparticipation in a dispute or war
- disinterest: tolerance attributable to a lack of involvement
- pH value of 7
We can disregard "c." in our case.
What I'm tring to say is should ISS really care about the security of a system if THEIR sovereignity isn't in danger? As a neutral entity they should only defend themselves and not interfere with other actions.
I don't know about you, but I consider my sovereignty in danger when I get shot at. KOS was being rather indiscriminate yesterday. I can vouch for at least 1 ISS cruiser lost with all hands.
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Shaemell Buttleson
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Posted - 2006.04.17 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: George Petsch Is IIS actually supposed to keep EC-P8R secure?
Here are the definitions of neutrality I found:
- nonparticipation in a dispute or war
- disinterest: tolerance attributable to a lack of involvement
- pH value of 7
We can disregard "c." in our case.
What I'm tring to say is should ISS really care about the security of a system if THEIR sovereignity isn't in danger? As a neutral entity they should only defend themselves and not interfere with other actions.
I don't know about you, but I consider my sovereignty in danger when I get shot at. KOS was being rather indiscriminate yesterday. I can vouch for at least 1 ISS cruiser lost with all hands.
Hmm I bet they are ready to pack up now losing 1 cruiser!
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George Petsch
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: George Petsch Is IIS actually supposed to keep EC-P8R secure?
Here are the definitions of neutrality I found:
- nonparticipation in a dispute or war
- disinterest: tolerance attributable to a lack of involvement
- pH value of 7
We can disregard "c." in our case.
What I'm tring to say is should ISS really care about the security of a system if THEIR sovereignity isn't in danger? As a neutral entity they should only defend themselves and not interfere with other actions.
I don't know about you, but I consider my sovereignty in danger when I get shot at. KOS was being rather indiscriminate yesterday. I can vouch for at least 1 ISS cruiser lost with all hands.
Yeah, that'S more like it, *THEY* lost a cruiser, ok so for you they might look unable to defend *THEMSELVES*. But it has nothing to do with this:
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ISS simply can't keep EC-P8R secure.
They are neutral, they don't have to care about fights between other parties in that system, a thing that even the ISS still has to learn.
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Hihihihihi2u
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:49:00 -
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They're neutral, but rats in system ganking haulers making use of the ISS managed outpost = lower profits = shareholders not so happy = affects the bottom line.
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Lt Hole
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:10:00 -
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Only a skull filled with fart gas would consider calling ISS neutral.
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: George Petsch Is IIS actually supposed to keep EC-P8R secure?
Here are the definitions of neutrality I found:
- nonparticipation in a dispute or war
- disinterest: tolerance attributable to a lack of involvement
- pH value of 7
We can disregard "c." in our case.
What I'm tring to say is should ISS really care about the security of a system if THEIR sovereignity isn't in danger? As a neutral entity they should only defend themselves and not interfere with other actions.
I don't know about you, but I consider my sovereignty in danger when I get shot at. KOS was being rather indiscriminate yesterday. I can vouch for at least 1 ISS cruiser lost with all hands.
Hmm I bet they are ready to pack up now losing 1 cruiser!
You aren't being sarcastic, even if you were trying to be. That's the whole point, a bunch of baddies jump into EC-p8r and starts shooting everything in sight, uncluding ISS. ISS loses a few ships ( I am guessing that they lost more than 1 ) and is nowhere to be seen for the rest of the night.
In order for me to be able to pass through EC-p8R unmolseted, I have to agree with some very strict, but not unreasonable rules. One of those is I can't be innitiating aggression, even on people I have killrights on, or wartargets. Now, rules like these are nessesary to keep order in a system like EC-p8r. A police force needs to be able to quickly and descisively end any continued weapon malfunctions without having to sort through all of that. You have to enforce it agressavly though, so that the law abiding citizens don't get screwed becuase they won't shoot first even when it is obvious what is going on.
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Triplidan
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Posted - 2006.04.17 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Triplidan on 17/04/2006 18:05:23 I agree, it is getting ugly in EC-P8R, I can vouch for a lost caracal to the K.O.S crew, and the ISS navy was nowhere to be seen. ISS won't lose their outpost, thats for sure, but they ARE going to lose alot of profit/isk if they can't properly defend their business, and they will lose my business if K.O.S keeps harassing everybody who jumps in
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Sushi Tanaka
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Posted - 2006.04.17 18:28:00 -
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ISSN went back to KDF/Marginis - the haulers, traders, and miners are on their own. |
Rowdy Yates
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Posted - 2006.04.17 20:01:00 -
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ISS wants your isk. They don't care if you live or die.
And the pirates love that because ISS stations are big attractors for fat haulers and such.
ISS wins and the pirates win.
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Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.17 23:26:00 -
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How does ISS win if nothing gets bought or sold at there outpost? Try looking for stuff for sale in EC-p8r.... Also, how does ISS get isk from docking rights when all the haulers are blown up at the gate?
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Stephen Chow
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Posted - 2006.04.18 02:22:00 -
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ISS isn't protecting anything. They melt like faster than butter and spread their legs like cream cheesee for anyone who comes by with a big stick. They can't even take care of a gate for more than a couple of minutes... The minutes it takes for someone to actually jump in and scare them all away!
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Mesasone
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Posted - 2006.04.18 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Stephen Chow They melt like faster than butter and spread their legs like cream cheesee for anyone who comes by with a big stick.
mmm cream cheese.
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NATMav
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Posted - 2006.04.18 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: NATMav on 18/04/2006 05:09:30 EC-P8R has never been secure and never will be. I understand the point of the OP, but what you are asking is not realistic. If it were easy to secure EC-P8R, BoB & friends wouldn't have needed to sustain 100+ pilots in system 23/7 along with bubbles.
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Ernest Graefenberg
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Posted - 2006.04.18 07:38:00 -
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System 1 jump from empire only secure 22.5 hours out ouf 23 hours of uptime per day. Breaking news!
Seriously, its painstakingly obvious that nobody can keep a system like that 100% secure without boring themselves to death. Travel is unimpeded the majority of the time, scouting the place is a cakewalk and the occasional moment when hostiles decide to log on and outnumber the bored locals is completely irrelevant.
Its not like they brought a 23/7 onliner hostile force in there and bubbled up the gates or something.
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Zaphod Jones
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zaphod Jones on 18/04/2006 08:22:08
Originally by: Audri Fisher ISS simply can't keep EC-P8R secure. Gee imagine that
Anyway KOS was out in force today, and was making several alliances jump through hoops.
Congrats to the one Crow pilot who fought me 1 vs 1, It was funny as hell. I was tagging along with members of Nexus, everyone jumps in, the two fleets meet. and everyone but 2 people immediatly run away when they see an even fight.
Thank god for 75 mm's and tracking bonuses
On behalf of Celtic Anarchy [K.O.S] I would like to thanks Audri for his kind words about our small operation. We felt that this was the ideal opportunity to assess the effectivness of JaegerX's new ship and setup on his Sleipnir. We found it to be an excellent damage dealer and once again our trademark speed enabled JaegerX to slip free of his attackers whilst performing his daring raids. JaegerX seemed so pleased with his ship he recently put in a purchase order for a further 4 ships.
The operation was the ideal opportunity to show that whilst we had spent the weekend providing our friends E.R.A with additional firepower for their conflicts in BKG-Q2, we could equally well mount a sustained attack with a rapid deployment force in EC-P8R. With approximately 70 kills on the Monday evening operation and a similar number on the previous night we consider this to be a resounding success.
Unfortunately due to family commitments I wazs unable to take part in last nights celebrations but enjoyed a fair return on investment made in Quake M with my instapopping Muninn the night previously
"EVE player 44" seems to have made the most contribution due to making it into our killboard no less than 18 times during the operation, a valiant effort to secure a new high score.
Long may we free the enslaved from their mining overlords.
Zaphod
Celtic Anarchy are recruiting http://kos.griefwatch.net |
s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Anyway KOS was out in force today, and was making several alliances jump through hoops.
Dude, just for future reference, can you please specify that KOS = a corp and not KOS the alliance.
Thanks :D
By Squize dec 10th when -V- signed a NAP with TFE:
Originally by: Squize
Originally by: Omeega Omeega damn it i saw this one come big like a pink elephant in a corridor!
Nostradamus, is that you ?
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Crax McGee
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:35:00 -
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I love this post kind words :)
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CardboardSword42
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Posted - 2006.04.18 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: s4mp3r0r
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Anyway KOS was out in force today, and was making several alliances jump through hoops.
Dude, just for future reference, can you please specify that KOS = a corp and not KOS the alliance.
Thanks :D
I'm pretty sure we were here first :P
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool This sig is yellow - Ductoris |
Macon Squaredealer
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Posted - 2006.04.18 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg System 1 jump from empire only secure 22.5 hours out ouf 23 hours of uptime per day. Breaking news!
Seriously, its painstakingly obvious that nobody can keep a system like that 100% secure without boring themselves to death. Travel is unimpeded the majority of the time, scouting the place is a cakewalk and the occasional moment when hostiles decide to log on and outnumber the bored locals is completely irrelevant.
Its not like they brought a 23/7 onliner hostile force in there and bubbled up the gates or something.
This is not accurate.
I'm a Jita based industrialist who has extensive 0.0 experience. The concept of a "no fire zone" EC appealed to me so I hopped up there and spent a couple of days to evaluate things in order to make a decision on whether to relocate my operations there.
I won't be moving.
I can stay alive, I know how, but the level of fighting is actually higher now than it was before the war. For the two days I was there Celtic Anarchy ran gate camps for many hours at the Torrinos gate. People were getting ganked by various people and corps left and right going to the station, belts, and other gates. ISS was nowhere to be seen.
For better or worse ISS made a decision to operate the outpost in EC, want people to come and trade and not shoot each other - and is doing nothing as far as I can tell to make that happen. Either bring your vaunted ISS navy down there and get some control over the system or give the outpost to a corporation that will.
I disagree with the "nobody can stop the fighting in EC" chant. I believe EC can be tamed and made into a no fire zone 0.0 trade center. We just need a corp with the stones and desire to do it. ___________________________________________ Watch for the Squaredeal Enterprises IPO in the coming months. |
Naldo
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Posted - 2006.04.18 22:35:00 -
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EC-P8R is fun.
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FowlPlayChiken
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Posted - 2006.04.18 22:53:00 -
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BAWK! jaeger, how do you like the sleipnir? ive been getting retarded number of kills with mine..chck the mc killboards sometime and have a laugh. :)
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler |
Audri Fisher
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Posted - 2006.04.19 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zaphod Jones Edited by: Zaphod Jones on 18/04/2006 08:22:08
Originally by: Audri Fisher ISS simply can't keep EC-P8R secure. Gee imagine that
Anyway KOS was out in force today, and was making several alliances jump through hoops.
Congrats to the one Crow pilot who fought me 1 vs 1, It was funny as hell. I was tagging along with members of Nexus, everyone jumps in, the two fleets meet. and everyone but 2 people immediatly run away when they see an even fight.
Thank god for 75 mm's and tracking bonuses
On behalf of Celtic Anarchy [K.O.S] I would like to thanks Audri for his kind words about our small operation. We felt that this was the ideal opportunity to assess the effectivness of JaegerX's new ship and setup on his Sleipnir. We found it to be an excellent damage dealer and once again our trademark speed enabled JaegerX to slip free of his attackers whilst performing his daring raids. JaegerX seemed so pleased with his ship he recently put in a purchase order for a further 4 ships.
The operation was the ideal opportunity to show that whilst we had spent the weekend providing our friends E.R.A with additional firepower for their conflicts in BKG-Q2, we could equally well mount a sustained attack with a rapid deployment force in EC-P8R. With approximately 70 kills on the Monday evening operation and a similar number on the previous night we consider this to be a resounding success.
Unfortunately due to family commitments I wazs unable to take part in last nights celebrations but enjoyed a fair return on investment made in Quake M with my instapopping Muninn the night previously
"EVE player 44" seems to have made the most contribution due to making it into our killboard no less than 18 times during the operation, a valiant effort to secure a new high score.
Long may we free the enslaved from their mining overlords.
Zaphod
Err, it has been fun, but the only time ya'll managed to get me was with Van Damn's scorp along with what'shernames crow. Damn cepters won't get withen tackling range of me anymore
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.04.19 09:18:00 -
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I've nothing against ISS in the slightest, but you have to realise - they exist purely to seperate you from your isk.
Their neutral stance isn't an altruistic act of galaxy-wide hand holding, its them maximising revenue streams. I also suspect their continuing share issues are what's keeping them afloat at the moment.
Its not in their interests to hold space.
Hilariously, the ISS navy are poor as dirt since they have to pay for their own ships. They fight and lose them so industrialists can pootle around with no scout and no stabs, and then to add insult to injury, they then have to buy new ships at inflated 0.0 prices off the same industrialists they've been defending.
Tell me, who are the real pirates? :D
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Steely Dhan
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Posted - 2006.04.19 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hihihihihi2u They're neutral, but rats in system ganking haulers making use of the ISS managed outpost = lower profits = shareholders not so happy = affects the bottom line.
That is why I dont rat in Marginis anymore and they lose the 250k it cost me to dock my Raven |
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