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Logan Williams
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:04:00 -
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I don't know what exactly happened with these ghost folks as I was away from game alot with personal issues and then was in Curse Coalition for awhile. Anyone will tell you that I'm a forum ***** of the worst order but I do have times where I call it like I see it.
Everything I've heard since being back points to these Ghost "backstabbers" bailing RA out when RA lost one of the Cache stations. These "backstabbers" were more than happy to allow RA to take the station back as the "backstabbers" helped.
I don't know who the hell you are to alienate our once friends aka "The Backstabbers" as well as anyone else in EvE reading this post. Look out FFA....SNU...you could be next.
To the pilots of the Ghost folks (no disrespect meant, I honestly don't know your corp/alliance) I'd like to apologize for this utter ****. I'm not happy that you joined up with THAT bunch but, given the same circumstances, I prolly would have too. |
Lorth
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:10:00 -
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While the last time I had any contact with RA was back in 5 shooting POS's...
I think the fact that every allience close to RA had declared them KOS, in and of its self, is enough evidance as to the the poor dipomacy involved.
This is a personal post BTW.
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Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:23:00 -
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Diplomacy has nothing to do with this.
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Logan Williams
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Logan Williams on 17/04/2006 21:32:09
 Originally by: Beyond Horizon
Diplomacy has nothing to do with this.
Neither does "backstabbing".....perhaps arrogance. |
Uther Doull
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Posted - 2006.04.17 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Uther Doull on 17/04/2006 21:43:44
i imagine this thread is a good indicator to the reason why it's a '4vs1' instead of a '4vs4' :P
you guys just ***** me up 
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2006.04.17 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Niki Silver
Originally by: The Enslaver
Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil
Originally by: wild
lol hmm Im killboard says we do undock and kill ra
RA vs KOS last three months
The main issue with that is that only a third of your alliance posts its losses.
Even if that were true, its still a higher percentage then your coalition.
Regardless of anything to do with the LV/V/KOS coalition...
If you, as an alliance, don't post 100% of your PvP Kills & Losses. Your stats mean absolutely fux all. 
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The Nova
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Posted - 2006.04.17 22:32:00 -
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If its red shoot it, makes sense 
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c0rn1
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Posted - 2006.04.17 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil
Originally by: wild
lol hmm Im killboard says we do undock and kill ra
RA vs KOS last three months
Before thou posts such a link to thy killboard, thou shouldst check the tiny little number of "8" standing next to the dreadnaught at thy disadvantage.
Taking into account that thou doesn't post every loss it looks pretty even, huh?
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Peri Stark
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:18:00 -
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You invite Ghost in to help you. You promise them support that does not show up. They decide to leave in peace so you lock up all of thier stuff and start shooting at them.
And you complain that no one likes you?
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Just Smith
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:32:00 -
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oh well better buy some more kiwi fruit for the next step
Well you've come to the right place, then. There hasn't been a war run this badly since Olaf the hairy, King of all the vikings, ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside." |
Metal Dude
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:32:00 -
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Here is typical RA. First they will nap/align with you to get what they want out of you, then they will send one of their alt corpÆs to join up with you to spy on you, then they will form up another alt corp to shoot at you and when you break off from them, theyÆll KOS you and call you back stabbers. Sounds familiar?
Their record speaks for it self. DonÆt trust them, ever. They only keep their agreements as long as it suites them and all along they are looking to back stab you. Finally, they are getting what they deserve, IÆm only sorry that IÆm not there to see it for myself. Some day, though, some day. 
The truth will set you free
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Darth Tater
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Posted - 2006.04.18 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
bla bla bla
Destructive Flatulence would have been a much cooler name, metal d00d. 
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Renu
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Posted - 2006.04.18 02:45:00 -
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Wimbishi ... look up your post on the public occ forum .. look at my reply ..
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Papa Digger
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Posted - 2006.04.18 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
Here is typical RA. First they will nap/align with you to get what they want out of you, then they will send one of their alt corpÆs to join up with you to spy on you, then they will form up another alt corp to shoot at you and when you break off from them, theyÆll KOS you and call you back stabbers. Sounds familiar?
Wow, anti-RA propaganda turn on. Are you invent this method by yourself or this is BOB official tactics? :) Nevertheless it was nice try, but bull****. Next time try to write any TRUE statement, and may be people trust you :)
On topic. Ghosts make some wrong steps and RA reaction was adequate.
RA allow Ghost come to Red home region. Until war comes to Cashe, Ghosts didn't help RA forces in nearby regions. After some sabotage from Coalition (LV\V\etc), Ghosts 1-2 days fight with Coalition forces in Cashe almost without RA fleet help (in time when most of RA pilots offline), and after that they declare that Cashe is too dangerous, and RA bertray them when call there etc.. (station access is still be opened).
Next Ghost's diplomacy steps were.. "perfect". They invite LV leaders to close negotioate (LV promise Cashe to Ghosts) and make NAP with Coalition. RA were really surprised. Ghost reputation in RA eyes fall down, but peace still continued. And Ghost's make a finish blow, they threat that Ghost support LV in attack on Cashe, and on stations they already have many POSes and fuel to claim Cashe for Coalition. As result, station access closed, and alliances now at war.
2 Lord. Don't be offended, don't know about diplomacy with RA leaders, but from RA members side of view you looks like backstabber. You come to our home, at some moment, when you were alone, you was scared by enemy strength. And after that you left your ally and went to enemies. (May be that not truth but it looks like that)
BTW, 2 miner corps (10 people) with support only 3-4 RA members hold system 28y in Scalding more then 2 weeks!! against -V- and coalition forces, and nobody cry "omg, where 1000 RA battleships to help us".
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XBG Holding
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Posted - 2006.04.18 03:21:00 -
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all this is just so wrong, we dont want to fight with RA and never did
even when you locked us out of the stations we never once shot at RA and we tried hard to work everything out
Lord Wimbishi and others always tried to keep the peace and work out any problems but after the lack of support we felt the need to pull out then you lock the stations and start shooting us
many seem to think we setup NAP with LV/CHIMP/V and whoever else before we pulled out but thats just wrong it happened 2-3 days after most of us were out of cache and in the whole process we told them we will not shoot RA
and even after RA started shooting us we did nothing
hell we still have RA set as friends
anyway i'm sick of all this and if this is what its going to come to then so be it, theres just no reasoning with RA once they get something set in their head
ok i'm done now lol, Lord Wimbishi i'm sorry but i just couldnt resist posting
this is my personel view and does not come from my alliance
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Anndy
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Posted - 2006.04.18 03:22:00 -
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sorry posted with alt, the post above is mine
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.04.18 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil
Originally by: Niki Silver
Originally by: Crellion
crap crap crap
I think this is the most hipocritical,*****iest, and downright ignorant post I have ever read.
Same old **** this asshat posts in just about every thread even remotely related to RA. He needs some new material tbh.
Quite frankly, if all -V- *really* cared about was "fun fights" they wouldn't be engaged in POS wars and be allied with 3000+ while at war with ~1500 (actually far less than that). The reality of the situation sorta makes their fun fights whine ring a bit hollow 
It is still true though Exaali, every bir of it, and you know it so ... meh
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.04.18 03:46:00 -
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Smacktastic. You know you've hit a nerve when they get angry, crell 
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c0rn1
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Papa Digger
Wow, anti-RA propaganda turn on. Are you invent this method by yourself or this is BOB official tactics? :) Nevertheless it was nice try, but bull****. Next time try to write any TRUE statement, and may be people trust you :)
Wow, RA propaganda turn on. Are you invent this method by yourself or this is RA official tactics? :) Nevertheless it was nice try, but bull****. Next time try to login your main character, and may be people trust you :)
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Afonso Henriques
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Posted - 2006.04.18 07:52:00 -
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RA, you are a joke.
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Papa Digger
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: c0rn1
Next time try to login your main character, and may be people trust you :)
lol. It's my main character.
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Lord Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:34:00 -
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Ok this is the last post I will make over this matter and will do so to educate the ignorant.
RA allow Ghost come to Red home region. Until war comes to Cashe, Ghosts didn't help RA forces in nearby regions.
We wasn't suppose to and RA leadership knew and advised that. We was not going to fight down range when we had no industry or logistical support. Cache was needed to build up in. ~checks off the topic~ one down
Ghosts 1-2 days fight with Coalition forces in Cashe almost without RA fleet help (in time when most of RA pilots offline), and after that they declare that Cashe is too dangerous, and RA bertray them when call there etc.. (station access is still be opened
Almost with out RA fleet help? What fleet? Only individual pilots came to support Ghost in the entire time and only ONCE did we see RA take any action against the enemy. That was the next day attempt by a few RA to take M53 back.
Most of the small mobile RA gangs the was around was more concerned about easy or quick ganks instead of garrisoning Cache system alongside Ghost pilots.
We had Docking access issues even after a week our alliance fully entired the fight. The first day Ghost members entered Cache was around Mar 18th. I had sent 2 corps ahead of the alliance to 'quarter' the area and prepare for the alliance arrival. 2 weeks later we came in force.
Our alliance wasn't even FORMED solidly yet till the 24th. when we hit Cache the alliance name wasn't even a Week old and our 2nd week of existance we went directly into combat. Pretty remarkable for the achievement in my standards to go from nothing to a alliance mobile military combat force in under 3 weeks and start to help one that showed us some respect.
Next Ghost's diplomacy steps were.. "perfect". They invite LV leaders to close negotioate (LV promise Cashe to Ghosts) and make NAP with Coalition. RA were really surprised. Ghost reputation in RA eyes fall down, but peace still continued.
once again you are wrong. We didn't start talking with LV leaders till after the decision was made to move. LV had ideas to install us in Cache but all we wanted was to pull out and reaccess the situation and it was said explicity we would not fire on RA. Peace didn't continue honestly once we said we would withdraw. we get locked out and set to neutral immediately which caused several of our pilots to get shot at.
Also NAP doesn't mean we are allied. How many times does that got to be said? non-aggression pact. Is there anywhere in that show or even slightly mean to support, cooperate along military junctures against another organization? I would assume that is the meaning of being allied? RA's paranoia and narrowminded view caused this situation and its inability to be flexable.
2 Lord. Don't be offended, don't know about diplomacy with RA leaders,
Does anyone in this game? Obviously can't be the entire game that is narrowminded, arrogant, idiotic and ignorant of RA. Take a hint. 9 out of 10 people think that 1 person is 'ill' strong chance the community is right out of majority thought.
but from RA members side of view you looks like backstabber.
Not really. We are getting a ton of sympathy from members inside RA telling they are ashamed of RA right now.
You come to our home, at some moment, when you were alone, you was scared by enemy strength. And after that you left your ally and went to enemies. May be that not truth but it looks like that)
Not really you still are ignorant to the facts that even RA's enemies are telling you the same as Ghost. We wasn't scared by enemy strength. We just got tired of the RA's BS.
and alliances now at war.
yes and RA brought it upon themself. We come to get our stuff out of the stations. We have shown respect and honor to the pilots that had helped us during our visit in Cache and have NAPed select RA corps due to their honor and are looking out for others too.
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Aeon Yakati
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Peri Stark
You invite Ghost in to help you. You promise them support that does not show up. They decide to leave in peace so you lock up all of thier stuff and start shooting at them.
And you complain that no one likes you?
Classic example of RA's (literally too) stunning diplomacy
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OzaLoni
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:02:00 -
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Quote:
Also NAP doesn't mean we are allied. How many times does that got to be said?
Common'on wimbishi.... Isn't this what caused the OLD PA to kick xelas out of Tenal?
Since they were "nap'd" with BOB?
While I'm on your side on this one.. GL with Ghosts and this problem...
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:08:00 -
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Forming a NAP to leave an area of conflict in peace is not exactly an evil thing to do, especially when it's not YOUR conflict to begin with.
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:31:00 -
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Regardless of how clearly you think you explained the situation in the south-east to Ghosts, it obviously wasn't clear enough. You have dealt with this situation about as well as you have dealt with every other diplomatically. You rattle sabres on forums about how great, determined, flexible and how you will always spring back. I hope for your sake when you do spring back, you actually think about how you interact with other entities, instead of stumbling from one mistake to another.
Guns and ships don't kill alliances. Poor management, bad decision making and poor morale through bad leadership does. Raise your game RA Leadership. Tell the complex runners to help out your fleets. Get a grip of the CEOs whose corps are not helping (if I know who they are, you should), take it back to basics and start again. If the current RA leadership isn't up to the job, then you should elect someone who is.
Rovers Chronicles
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rover Vitesse
Regardless of how clearly you think you explained the situation in the south-east to Ghosts, it obviously wasn't clear enough. You have dealt with this situation about as well as you have dealt with every other diplomatically. You rattle sabres on forums about how great, determined, flexible and how you will always spring back. I hope for your sake when you do spring back, you actually think about how you interact with other entities, instead of stumbling from one mistake to another.
Guns and ships don't kill alliances. Poor management, bad decision making and poor morale through bad leadership does. Raise your game RA Leadership. Tell the complex runners to help out your fleets. Get a grip of the CEOs whose corps are not helping (if I know who they are, you should), take it back to basics and start again. If the current RA leadership isn't up to the job, then you should elect someone who is.
they wont spring back before they have bored you away...
when the cat is gone etc.
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OzaLoni
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Professor McFly
Forming a NAP to leave an area of conflict in peace is not exactly an evil thing to do, especially when it's not YOUR conflict to begin with.
No its not, but its also the right of any alliance to take that has a friendly or hostile act.... best intentions of mice and men and all that jazz!
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Cilppiz
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Cilppiz on 18/04/2006 11:31:41
FSA, SBA, GHOST... This topic may be valuable fot those alliances that have been contacted by Red Alliance lately.
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Plutoinum
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:49:00 -
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What's at least true: When our alliances sieged/took/defended m53, I mostly saw Ghost of Retribution fighting there in those days. I already thought that Ghost of Retribution inhabited Cache at that time and that almost all REDs where somewhere else. I'm quite sure that a look on the killboards would prove that.
About the diplomatic side: Don't know what happened, what's true and I'm glad that it's not my problem.
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