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Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:11:00 -
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nakatah> i maybe crap , but
ghosts will come with LV/V/CHIMP , enjoy
the derds
After all the "loyalty honor respect" crap you can find in Wimbishi's signature they finally made up their minds and backstabbed us, though the idea of backstabbing was long before borned in their minds. Proof you say? Np. Here is a post of on of the Decadence members(they didn't have loyalty,honor,respect on their siggys, though the followed the line) on the GHOST forums:
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Hello Pilots
to make it short i hate long Forum Post which say nothing, Decadence will leave this Alliance.
We got an vote if we want to stay or not, the vote is over now and from 25 votes 21 want to leave and 3 want to stay.
Why we leave we don't like the Politik atm we come down here to fight with RA togehter and not to backstab them, like F-E did it once with us when the enemy was to strong!
We will not stay in this space we go back to the North if you want we will let you at positiv standing if not we will reset all standings we have had before!
nice time with you but now its over!
cya Taimjack
Even after the post Wimbishi continued to pursuade RA that GHOST will never backstab us.
GHOSTS are set to minus and are KOS for Red Alliance from now on. See you in space!
P.S. Who's next?
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nickycakes
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:16:00 -
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TBH you guys left ghosts high and dry. I wouldn't be too happy with RA myself if I were them.
But I guess in Soviet Russia, ghosts backstabs you 
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:17:00 -
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Hmm RA diplomacy seems to be going as well as always 
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Kalppis
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:18:00 -
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Bahh, even less targets for me it seems :(
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Bazman
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:20:00 -
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Thats quite funny tbh.
Vast majority of RA have dissappeared somewhere, Ghost we're left defending Cache with support from a very small number of RA pilots. So when they move out because they can't sustain the fighting without backup RA sets them KOS
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:23:00 -
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/me thinks RA, GHOST, etc. should be KOS.
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Rover Vitesse
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:25:00 -
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Another twist in the ongoing RA diplomacy saga.
You invited a new Alliance into Cache to help you out, completely mis-sold them on what they were to expect there [Iraqi Information Minister]There are no CHIMP/LV/V/KOS Devils in Cache[/Iraqi Information Minister], then when they understand the true situation from losing billions of ISK and try to cut their losses, you start shooting them.
Ghosts asked CHIMP for a cease-fire to enable them to recover some of their equipment and personnel from a lost cause that you invited them on, we show a bit of sympathy to some guys who RA have suckered once again, then you shoot them in the back.
I'm not 100% sure which school of diplomacy you guys went to, but I think you need to get back there and do more than the first term.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:26:00 -
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*honest mode*
GHOST go rejoin RA, fight the odds. We don't need any more blues. Respect to Taimjack, you Decadance folks are really honourable.
However im not saying i don't understand GHOST's decision, and they have some cool guys. However i think you may have made a slight misjudgement here.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Thats quite funny tbh.
Vast majority of RA have dissappeared somewhere, Ghost we're left defending Cache with support from a very small number of RA pilots. So when they move out because they can't sustain the fighting without backup RA sets them KOS
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Beyond Horizon
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:32:00 -
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you actually admit that usually you write without that "honest mode" of yours?  It explains many things then.
First you promise Cache to GHOSTS, now tell them to fight for RA. Think you should decide what you want exactly.
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Alt Attack
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:38:00 -
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didn't i tell everybody ghost would never be able and in position to defend cache for RA? didn't i tell everybody they would turn against them after realising somebody is shooting at them? it's what they do all the time, isn't it?
long live PA!
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:44:00 -
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RA screwed over ghost, I'd rather see ghost fighting with RA since it's more fun that way. But if RA are gonna leave people to defend their regions while a helluva lot RA run and hide themselves, then they reap what they sow.
If you guys can't work it out I'd rather see ghosts gone from the warzone, but if you ****ed off another alliance into attacking you.. well..
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:45:00 -
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Wait..
RA, weren't you the ones telling GHOST 'Don't fight them, don't try to ming, don't try to NPC... the way to win is to complex and put up POS's'? That coming from your alliance leader...
No offence, but I think any alliance would be rather dismayed at being told 'don't fight' when a hostile entity is taking your space.
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MissBehaving
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: MissBehaving on 17/04/2006 11:46:08
You know I fought alongside V/Chimp/LV for the whole of the campaign against RA before I left the alliance I was in. The reason?
Getting together with all these alliance against 1 alliance was no Fun. Before you say it FFA never really had an impact and joined RA's fighting. The way this war has been actioned against RA is 1 thing and 1 thing only.
V/LV/Chimp/Kos bullied the alliance. That is no way to win a war and me personally, im glad i'm away from bullies within the above alliances that are no better than blobbing bullies that as individual alliances are next to useless.
Me personally. I hope RA come back and kick you lot in the butts. It's no longer RA that have the attitude. It's the coalition of alliances of the South that needs a good beating.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Edoo on 17/04/2006 11:50:56
Originally by: Beyond Horizon
you actually admit that usually you write without that "honest mode" of yours? It explains many things then.
First you promise Cache to GHOSTS, now tell them to fight for RA. Think you should decide what you want exactly.
Well i say honest mode because i know it may not be what my alliance thinks, and so im showing its my views.
Im not a representative of CHIMP. I'm my own man. Please don't use my posts as a tool for propaganda or my next posts may not be as friendly or supportive to you.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.04.17 11:49:00 -
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oh noes call ghostbusters
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G'ulSera
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: MissBehaving
Edited by: MissBehaving on 17/04/2006 11:46:08
You know I fought alongside V/Chimp/LV for the whole of the campaign against RA before I left the alliance I was in. The reason?
Getting together with all these alliance against 1 alliance was no Fun. Before you say it FFA never really had an impact and joined RA's fighting. The way this war has been actioned against RA is 1 thing and 1 thing only.
V/LV/Chimp/Kos bullied the alliance. That is no way to win a war and me personally, im glad i'm away from bullies within the above alliances that are no better than blobbing bullies that as individual alliances are next to useless.
Me personally. I hope RA come back and kick you lot in the butts. It's no longer RA that have the attitude. It's the coalition of alliances of the South that needs a good beating.
yeah right... we have fought a hard and long war and it still isn't over, but because we are now on the winning side we're the bullies all of a sudden?
Come back when you have something sensible to say....
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:01:00 -
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This is all pretty humorous really. All the anti RA slander. Do our enemies think they will win the war by flaming us on a forum?
We mislead ghost? Hrmm. Well, they reformed out of PA and needed a place to set up some industry and get themselves up and running. Believe it or not, RA does enjoy making friends, so we invited them into Cache.
This was long before the siege on Insmother. So I don't really see how we 'mislead' them. They were well aware of the hostilities between RA and V/LV/CHIMP.
Its worthy of mention that as our allies, they did nothing to aid us in Insmother. There were no Ghost in JLO, no Ghost in 1V-, and no Ghost in C-J. They were up in Cache ratting and mining.
So along comes a Saturday morning, immediately after downtime we have a big V/LV/CHIMP blob in M53 shooting the station. People are still crawling out of bed, rubbing thier weary eyes, gettign their coffee, etc. Log into a chaotic Eve where an enemy blob is shooting our station after nullifying SOV by sobotaging POS.
Needless to say our collective sleepy heads were a bit disorganized. Now that Cache was under attack, and Ghost directly threatened, do they decide to take action. After several weeks of hanging around in Cache ignoring the goings on in Insmo, SP, WC. I personally appreciate thier aid in the defense of Cache, they really helped us out. Credit given where credit is due.
But enough with the you guys mislead Ghost crap. We know we didn't. They know we didn't. V/LV/CHIMP have been the devil whispering in Ghosts ear since the day they came to Cache. And you guys have the ardacity to come here to the forums and accuse us of misleading them.
If RA wanted to 'use' Ghost, as you put it. We would not have invited them to Cache. We would have sent them to Insmother or Scalding Pass, to the front line. Much like you have done with other alliances such as Smash and Fallen Souls.
Suddenly, after one rough weekend in Cache, Ghost is ready to throw in the towel and change sides. Be weary V/LV/CHIMP. If you have a bad day, they might decide to turn on you as well. And everyone has bad days from time to time.
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Lord Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:02:00 -
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~drums his fingers and grimaces at Naka~ I will have to deal with him and his leadership for the outburst because it wasn't warranted. More comments to follow.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: G'ulSera
Originally by: MissBehaving
Edited by: MissBehaving on 17/04/2006 11:46:08
You know I fought alongside V/Chimp/LV for the whole of the campaign against RA before I left the alliance I was in. The reason?
Getting together with all these alliance against 1 alliance was no Fun. Before you say it FFA never really had an impact and joined RA's fighting. The way this war has been actioned against RA is 1 thing and 1 thing only.
V/LV/Chimp/Kos bullied the alliance. That is no way to win a war and me personally, im glad i'm away from bullies within the above alliances that are no better than blobbing bullies that as individual alliances are next to useless.
Me personally. I hope RA come back and kick you lot in the butts. It's no longer RA that have the attitude. It's the coalition of alliances of the South that needs a good beating.
yeah right... we have fought a hard and long war and it still isn't over, but because we are now on the winning side we're the bullies all of a sudden?
Come back when you have something sensible to say....
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Mike Spike
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: MissBehaving
Me personally. I hope RA come back and kick you lot in the butts. It's no longer RA that have the attitude. It's the coalition of alliances of the South that needs a good beating.
Alt-response to alt-post:
You forget that removing RA from their regions is about 10% fun and 90% work.
Sure, the pvp part could be done alliance vs. alliance, but stopping their pos machinery took more than one alliance. While some people enjoy this side of a war, I don't. Instead of restructuring a whole alliance to be able to fight this boring side of the war, I prefer to smash it with the power of 3 or 4.
Anyway RA will survive. They have a strong will and I think the russian/eastern european core of RA call this alliance their home. But atm I'd like to see them economically defeated and in a state that they can't start their industrial machinery again in a few months to claim multiple regions in the south east.
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Lord Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:27:00 -
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Also I wish to remind the true political matter and discussions between RA and Ghost was handled between the following individuals.
Ghost>
Lord Wimibshi
Burlock Ironfist
Red Alliance>
Galateia
Komolov
Firekniht
These where the key personnel involved with most of the political issues.
Decadence left Ghost because they felt we was doing a F-E situation with RA which I can solidly and confidently prove otherwise we wasn't. First and formost we never fired and even now haven't fired on RA to this point. Everyday Ghost pilots have been shot at since we withdrew. Our stuff is locked up in P7 and M53 stations and pretty much was given a cold shoulder.
RA has better be wise to keep its mouth shut about anything even slightly pointing at Ghost in a effort saying we are backstabbing RA because I will bring out everything in our enbassy to put you into a corner so damn small you will never find a place in EVE in peace again. Names, contacts, logs, chats, debates, discussions plus more are clearly documented on my site on Ghost's repeated attempts to help and fix 'misunderstanding' and 'miscommunication' problems the ENTIRE time we was trying to support RA and then RA's clear inability to live up to very little to anything it had promised in support to Ghost if it did indeed help.
It started out as a goodwill mission out of honor and respect for a alliance that had done no ill to us. Beyond Horizon you had better be a bit wise and not bark up this tree. It will fall over on you and your entire alliance.
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Beyond Horizon you had better be a bit wise and not bark up this tree. It will fall over on you and your entire alliance.
You allready promised that to 5.
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Burlock Ironfist
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Also I wish to remind the true political matter and discussions between RA and Ghost was handled between the following individuals.
Ghost>
Lord Wimibshi
Burlock Ironfist
Red Alliance>
Galateia
Komolov
Firekniht
These where the key personnel involved with most of the political issues.
Decadence left Ghost because they felt we was doing a F-E situation with RA which I can solidly and confidently prove otherwise we wasn't. First and formost we never fired and even now haven't fired on RA to this point. Everyday Ghost pilots have been shot at since we withdrew. Our stuff is locked up in P7 and M53 stations and pretty much was given a cold shoulder.
RA has better be wise to keep its mouth shut about anything even slightly pointing at Ghost in a effort saying we are backstabbing RA because I will bring out everything in our enbassy to put you into a corner so damn small you will never find a place in EVE in peace again. Names, contacts, logs, chats, debates, discussions plus more are clearly documented on my site on Ghost's repeated attempts to help and fix 'misunderstanding' and 'miscommunication' problems the ENTIRE time we was trying to support RA and then RA's clear inability to live up to very little to anything it had promised in support to Ghost if it did indeed help.
It started out as a goodwill mission out of honor and respect for a alliance that had done no ill to us. Beyond Horizon you had better be a bit wise and not bark up this tree. It will fall over on you and your entire alliance.
Quoted Very much for the truth.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Niki Silver
Its worthy of mention that as our allies, they did nothing to aid us in Insmother. There were no Ghost in JLO, no Ghost in 1V-, and no Ghost in C-J. They were up in Cache ratting and mining.
Aid you in insmother?
You PULLED OUT of insmother after you lost one system there. And trust me; they weren't ratting/mining. Neither were you... Nobody has been able to in cache for over a month. For an alliance with the policy of 'do complexes so you can buy more pos's' you sure do speak too much...
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Lord Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Niki Silver
This is all pretty humorous really. All the anti RA slander. Do our enemies think they will win the war by flaming us on a forum?
We mislead ghost? Hrmm. Well, they reformed out of PA and needed a place to set up some industry and get themselves up and running. Believe it or not, RA does enjoy making friends, so we invited them into Cache.
This was long before the siege on Insmother. So I don't really see how we 'mislead' them. They were well aware of the hostilities between RA and V/LV/CHIMP.
Its worthy of mention that as our allies, they did nothing to aid us in Insmother. There were no Ghost in JLO, no Ghost in 1V-, and no Ghost in C-J. They were up in Cache ratting and mining.
So along comes a Saturday morning, immediately after downtime we have a big V/LV/CHIMP blob in M53 shooting the station. People are still crawling out of bed, rubbing thier weary eyes, gettign their coffee, etc. Log into a chaotic Eve where an enemy blob is shooting our station after nullifying SOV by sobotaging POS.
Needless to say our collective sleepy heads were a bit disorganized. Now that Cache was under attack, and Ghost directly threatened, do they decide to take action. After several weeks of hanging around in Cache ignoring the goings on in Insmo, SP, WC. I personally appreciate thier aid in the defense of Cache, they really helped us out. Credit given where credit is due.
But enough with the you guys mislead Ghost crap. We know we didn't. They know we didn't. V/LV/CHIMP have been the devil whispering in Ghosts ear since the day they came to Cache. And you guys have the ardacity to come here to the forums and accuse us of misleading them.
If RA wanted to 'use' Ghost, as you put it. We would not have invited them to Cache. We would have sent them to Insmother or Scalding Pass, to the front line. Much like you have done with other alliances such as Smash and Fallen Souls.
Suddenly, after one rough weekend in Cache, Ghost is ready to throw in the towel and change sides. Be weary V/LV/CHIMP. If you have a bad day, they might decide to turn on you as well. And everyone has bad days from time to time.
Now I will answer and amend this post here.
There was an attempt by RA leadership to put us out in the other regions and I shot it down immediately. We initially was set to help defend Cache while we build our industry. It didn't happen with the industry so we defended CACHE and the pipe from 995 to N-R. Our main patrol route was between P7 and 995 with a second focus around N-R.
RA leadership had supported this after the rejection to get put up in Insmother, Detroid or Wicked Creek. Those areas was just still to hot.
We started off around March 27th's operations which most of us remember :) quite a bad and stressing night over all. Anyways I had put two corps forward in advance of our arrival by almost 2 weeks. So in all the alliance membership was present in the region for almost a month. first two weeks was recon, monitoring and BMing the site.
Anyways. Ghost knew what we was getting into but had confidence in RA was stronger as an alliance then we assumed but had found out later wasn't the case in regards of most of their people doing their own damn thing and overall just ignoring their leadership or the leadership not putting stuff out. I really don't know but I do know the support which was promised was extremely limited and had to be resized several times to 'clarify' this or that.
Ghost hold many pilots in RA with honor, those that actually came out to fly with us into combat and not remain docked at their stations, logged off in their complex or just down field going after easy ganks that have no impact on this war. I can and will list them by name if required.
Of the diplomats I've dealt with I honor Firekniht for keeping positive with us even up to the end and still hold no ill will at all with him.
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Burlock Ironfist
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Posted - 2006.04.17 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Burlock Ironfist on 17/04/2006 13:01:10
Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Now I will answer and amend this post here.
There was an attempt by RA leadership to put us out in the other regions and I shot it down immediately. We initially was set to help defend Cache while we build our industry. It didn't happen with the industry so we defended CACHE and the pipe from 995 to N-R. Our main patrol route was between P7 and 995 with a second focus around N-R.
RA leadership had supported this after the rejection to get put up in Insmother, Detroid or Wicked Creek. Those areas was just still to hot.
We started off around March 27th's operations which most of us remember :) quite a bad and stressing night over all. Anyways I had put two corps forward in advance of our arrival by almost 2 weeks. So in all the alliance membership was present in the region for almost a month. first two weeks was recon, monitoring and BMing the site.
Anyways. Ghost knew what we was getting into but had confidence in RA was stronger as an alliance then we assumed but had found out later wasn't the case in regards of most of their people doing their own damn thing and overall just ignoring their leadership or the leadership not putting stuff out. I really don't know but I do know the support which was promised was extremely limited and had to be resized several times to 'clarify' this or that.
Ghost hold many pilots in RA with honor, those that actually came out to fly with us into combat and not remain docked at their stations, logged off in their complex or just down field going after easy ganks that have no impact on this war. I can and will list them by name if required.
Of the diplomats I've dealt with I honor Firekniht for keeping positive with us even up to the end and still hold no ill will at all with him.
Due to not being able to set up a industry, we told RA that we were leaving, though we would keep them as freinds and have never fired apon them or reset our standings. We latter told them that we had NAP'ed the local agressive allainces so that we could withdraw our stuff. This takes us up to now, and instead of RA discussing this with us they have set us to negative standing and some of our pilots have been shot at. We still have not changed our standing or fired apon red, and the only thing we have killed are a few roids in empire to try and replace the ships we lost in what was some great fleet battles.
Again the reason we left cache was because we didnt have the industry to support ourselves down there. No further decition about ghosts goals has been made except to replace the ships we have lost.
RA are still welcome to our forums to discuss this in a more private manner.
Regards
Burlock.
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Lord Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:05:00 -
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The president of RA whom I know only as Galateia seemed earnest and trying to solve issues with us. I've had many personal chats with him trying to keep things clarified.
I created the Embassy on our forum for the very things I knew would come up and to fix misunderstandings and other issues FIRST before any actions could or would result in war. I see this was largely successful on Ghost side and during the middle of the debatical RA's side as well.
I do not pretend to know all that has been going on inside the RA alliance leadership during the entire time we was there but I do know we had MANY problems and constant issues of understanding with RA. We would be told one thing and as we started to approach what was talked about that 'thing' changed and some stuff was added to it to make it different and more favoring towards RA. This kind of stuff was common place during the entire time we was there.
access to bases. a few offices, POS set up and complex running are all but an example. Given part of a story and 'rules' and not all till we started to get more involved with the very things listed above, only to have things 'pop' up out of nowhere which wasn't discussed nor brought up volunterially by RA leadership. It doesn't take a lot of to be thoughtful and honestly forthcoming with tid bits of information which would happen to change the agreement process BEFORE it happens.
Anyways even now all we want is to get our gear back from the stations. I don't know if RA will be accomidating but it would be sensible and wise to do so.
I know RA fears we are working with LV and honestly if we was things would be quite different if we was. By locking up our stuff, berating, insulting, SHOOTING, and just all around disrespecting Ghost would only drive us to do just that but we haven't. I've talked with LV and them and to me they have very valid reasons to kill RA which to our own experiances to those in Ghost; those reasons they list have been present and show clearly with the issues Ghost has had with RA.
I don't know why RA is so n afraid of a small 250 or so member alliance why we have been treated this way but I assure you it will not last much longer.
Any comment that isn't worded from the mouth of Me or any other top leader in this alliance is unformal, unofficial and unwarranted and thus should only be taken as a personal opinion by the pilot saying such. We will deal with the discipline issue internally in our own way.
I am quite sure EVERY alliance has members that are at odds with situations and are quite vocal and prone to spouting off before thinking that it could sow dishonor to the alliance he or she is with. Anyways this ONLY a summary of the issue with RA and why we withdrew. Trust me you don't want me to be full and indepth. I am sure most will not like reading some of my full typed out posts.
Respectfully
Lord Wimbishi
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Wimbishi
Anyways. Ghost knew what we was getting into but had confidence in RA was stronger as an alliance then we assumed
Mate, that is all I was trying to say. For the sake of the V/LV/CHIMP who continue to mud sling RA with statements about how we 'mislead' you. You said yourself 'Ghost knew what we we was getting into". That you for clearing that up for everyone.
Then you go on to say but you had confidence in RA and that we were stronger then you had assumed. I'm sure that as a leader you are well aware that sometimes you have good days and sometimes you have bad days.
I personally am dissapointed that Ghost let a few bad days change your attitude towards our entire alliance. We are fighting a multi front war against many enemies at the same time. I am sorry we could not send our entire alliance to M53 to aid to the fleet there on a moments notice.
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Posted - 2006.04.17 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver
You PULLED OUT of insmother after you lost one system there. And trust me; they weren't ratting/mining. Neither were you... Nobody has been able to in cache for over a month. For an alliance with the policy of 'do complexes so you can buy more pos's' you sure do speak too much...
One system? Mate, C-J may have been the 'one' system in Insmo, sure. But don't use half truth to flame. What about 1V just a few hops away? 28Y / JLO as well. Tell me. If you were in C-J and had a 4 alliance coalition completely staged up 4 jumps away with a daily blob at least twice as large as your own, would you waste resources on it or would you withdraw?
Far as the 'no one in cache has been ratting or mining in months' bit... Yes, yes, your fearsome afk recon has brought our entire industrial machine to a grinding halt.
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