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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:26:00 -
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ea_spouse article
this is disturbing and makes me never want to pick up another Need For Speed title again
ccp dont ever run your employees like this
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:44:00 -
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Great read.
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Pegas
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Trepkos
Great read.
qft? .. yea
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:57:00 -
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I recall the early 80's when EA made some very cool and inovative games.
Times change eh?
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.04.17 15:59:00 -
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Fascinating. I couldn't escape my usual scepticism when reading it, but still fascinating.
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Originally by: Double TaP
hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
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Mantiss
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:01:00 -
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This is nothing more than white collar slavery and should be made illegal. The only difference between working in an environment like EA has established and working in a blue collar sweatshop is that the offices are a little more glitzy. EA should be ashamed of themselves.
Unfortunately, what is going on at EA is more or less the norm for other businesses. Whatever happened to the 40 hour workweek?
On the other hand, EA employees should get some balls and either strike or walkoff their jobs. If EA tried to fire them, the slave like conditions these people are forced to work under would be brought to light (probably in a court of law) and that would be bad for EA's bottom line.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:02:00 -
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it is illegal. it should be punished though
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
it is illegal. it should be punished though
That's what I was thinking while reading it. I'm wondering why it's been allowed to get to this stage.
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Originally by: Double TaP
hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 17/04/2006 16:04:56
sure exposes the Game-Software progamming industry for the fraud it has become, nothing more than anther money making factory to that 1%.
everyone enjoyed games back in the day, and those who enjoyed them the most were hte makers, but now industry tycoons have taken over to maximise profit margins.. yeah, they make it all better and more effecient as u can see.
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Nex Angelus
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:05:00 -
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I agree. This is disturbing. I would have thought that a large company as EA would have better policies regarding overtime and workload.
I am myself head of human recouces dept. on a medium sized company in Sweden, so I don't know which laws that appy in the US, but here, what EA does would be illegal.
It seems that more and more large companys is exploiting their workforce by introducing longer hours, without realizing that it costs them more and gives them less. Don't get me wrong here, sometimes it's needed, but there should always be some form of compensation for hours worked. Time <-> money you know .
Also, in my experiance you can only push you employees so far, after that the quality of the work starts to degrade rapidly, and it takes more and more time to achieve the set goals. It's really a negative spiral, where the harder you push the less is actually done.
It seems to me that (if this story is true ofcourse) that EA needs to rethink thier policy, and break the negative pattern they seem to be stuck in.
Oh well, thats my two cents. Flame on ya'all 
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HC MasiEEE
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:08:00 -
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This is why alot of games or boring, it is made without heart for it 
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oDDiTy V2
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aure
Originally by: HippoKing
it is illegal. it should be punished though
That's what I was thinking while reading it. I'm wondering why it's been allowed to get to this stage.
Keep in mind that the article is about a year and a half old now- things may have changed for the better or worse since then. If it's still going on nearly two years later, thats just wrong.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:14:00 -
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Over here (england) you cant be sacked for rufusing to work overtime 
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:18:00 -
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EA games are for casual gamers any way, theyr whole marketing campaings and the stuff.
and the new NFS totaly sucks is more like MTV.
i remember NFS 3 was more fun the old one.
here in netherlands we had like TMF GAME AWARDS and all the games that won where from EA games, like the sims it was totaly ripped off and the casual gamers dont know it was all EA crap and totaly falsed
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Lunali
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nex Angelus
I am myself head of human recouces dept. on a medium sized company in Sweden, so I don't know which laws that appy in the US, but here, what EA does would be illegal.
I'm pretty sure its illegal in the US too, but the workers either don't know or they value their jobs too much to do anything.
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Eternal Fury on 17/04/2006 16:18:25
I'd never work that kind of hours. dont' care where it is.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: oDDiTy V2
Originally by: Raven Aure
Originally by: HippoKing
it is illegal. it should be punished though
That's what I was thinking while reading it. I'm wondering why it's been allowed to get to this stage.
Keep in mind that the article is about a year and a half old now- things may have changed for the better or worse since then. If it's still going on nearly two years later, thats just wrong.
I should have said "wondering why it was allowed to get to that stage".
And I do hope things have changed.
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Originally by: Double TaP
hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:28:00 -
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Its sad whats happening with the games industry at the moment. Publishers won't touch games with any substance or originality, like RPGs. Its all about visuals because slick graphics create hype - and hype sells. The more boxes you can shift during the least amount of time is what publishing is all about. Traditionally RPGs sell at a slow (but steady) rate, something which is considered unprofitable.
Oblivion is now being hailed as possibly the last great RPG, an end of an era. The only reason Bethesda could even make it was because of previous sucsess.
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Tiel Nova
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tiel Nova on 17/04/2006 16:32:40
There's a class action lawsuit going on. I read that complaint a long time ago, but I haven't heard anything about the lawsuit in months.
NFS3 was amazing. High Stakes was okay. Underground 1 & 2 were terrible. :/
I haven't tried On Tour, but SSX Tricky and SSX3 were amazing, so have faith in the Canadian studio.
- Oh and I think the talk about Oblivion being the last great RPG is overblown. The said the same thing about Ultima back in its heyday.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/04/2006 16:39:10
Originally by: Lunali
Originally by: Nex Angelus
I am myself head of human recouces dept. on a medium sized company in Sweden, so I don't know which laws that appy in the US, but here, what EA does would be illegal.
I'm pretty sure its illegal in the US too, but the workers either don't know or they value their jobs too much to do anything.
Are you certain its illegal? Im from Sweden too and ive heard these kind of horror stories from the US before...
Time to share some more EA games on Direct Connect... :)
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Hunters Presence
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:51:00 -
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2004 saw the collapse of dozens of small game studios
Plus the birth of many more... what a silly, unsupported, one-sided argument.
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9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm)
I've worked far far more hours than that on a voluntary MMO I created myself for months... I didn't get paid squat for it, the game was free.
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If EA truly believes that it needs to push its employees this hard -- I actually believe that they don't
If EA don't crunch, games take three times longer to hit the market. The engine is out of date, the gameplay is lacking features implented in more recent games, people have moved on from the series and it flunks.
I don't like EA's practises myself, but this is just a poor argument.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.04.17 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hunters Presence
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2004 saw the collapse of dozens of small game studios
Plus the birth of many more... what a silly, unsupported, one-sided argument.
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9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm)
I've worked far far more hours than that on a voluntary MMO I created myself for months... I didn't get paid squat for it, the game was free.
Quote:
If EA truly believes that it needs to push its employees this hard -- I actually believe that they don't
If EA don't crunch, games take three times longer to hit the market. The engine is out of date, the gameplay is lacking features implented in more recent games, people have moved on from the series and it flunks.
I don't like EA's practises myself, but this is just a poor argument.
They could hire more programmers, but why bother when people work almost 24 hours...
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hunters Presence
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9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm)
I've worked far far more hours than that on a voluntary MMO I created myself for months... I didn't get paid squat for it, the game was free.
Some people need to work for a living and can't afford wasting their time. ;)
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Antiochus
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:22:00 -
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this is old news, check the date on the article.
the empolyees already sued and everything.
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Nanos
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:22:00 -
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All comes down to how much the people are getting paid, if its a fortune, then indeed you work very long hours for that, else you work for less money and less hours.
Though of course, you could simply employ more people, thats what I would do.
Eg. team of 10 at 100k each a year, 12 hours a day, or team of 20 at 50k a year at 6 hours a day each, same cost, happier workers..
Now I bet if you ask the SO, would she be happy with her partner ONLY earning 50k a year..
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Brem Watson
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Brem Watson on 17/04/2006 17:30:15
Yeah, we shouldn't care if EA gets run under a bus.
They scrapped Earth and Beyond on a lot of us.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.04.17 17:38:00 -
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I liked EA back when they made Need of Speed.
These days they just produce junk.
I say file a class-action lawsuit. Maybe they'll lose enough money that they'll have to go into corporate restructuring and somebody with his head on straight will take over.
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Acheron Cyc
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Posted - 2006.04.17 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nanos
Now I bet if you ask the SO, would she be happy with her partner ONLY earning 50k a year..
So you think its a good thing to work until exhaustion(and stress can actually cause death) for extra money? So, what are you going to do when your family leaves you because they rarely see you, anyway?
Welcome to uncontrolled capitalism, anyway.
As for EA per se, the only game of theirs I play nowadays is BF2 and thats about it. The last one of the NFS I enjoyed was Hot Persuit, then just stopped buying them.
We should add SOE and Blizzard to the list.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.04.17 18:15:00 -
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Is EA in California? If so then they are working within the laws of that state. Anything after 40 is time and a half. Seventh day on is double time. Rather be a programer then a mechanic working on the line, I've been there done that. Nice money comming in.
Did anyone else notice he/she refered to their spouse not as husband or wife but "Partner" or "SO"?
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Nanos
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:52:00 -
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Yes I noticed the lack of gender reference, probably indicating SO is female and not male, and therefor maybe gets home late and tired not because of long hours at the office working, but some other shenanigans involving possibly a male work 'friend'...
Its a rather ironic twist of fate, that if your unemployed and got plenty of quality time on your hands to spend with your 'family' they leave you for someone richer, and if your rich and work 12 hours a day, they leave you for someone with more time...
Though they do tend to take most of your wealth with them when they do that..
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