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Ethan Tomlinson	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:26:00 - [1] ea_spouse article this is disturbing and makes me never want to pick up another Need For Speed title again ccp dont ever run your employees like this
Trepkos	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:44:00 - [2] Great read. -------- Angel Deep Corporation
Pegas	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:57:00 - [3] Originally by: Trepkos Great read. qft? .. yea
Jaddor	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:57:00 - [4] I recall the early 80's when EA made some very cool and inovative games. Times change eh?
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.17 15:59:00 - [5] Fascinating. I couldn't escape my usual scepticism when reading it, but still fascinating. ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
Mantiss	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:01:00 - [6] This is nothing more than white collar slavery and should be made illegal. The only difference between working in an environment like EA has established and working in a blue collar sweatshop is that the offices are a little more glitzy. EA should be ashamed of themselves. Unfortunately, what is going on at EA is more or less the norm for other businesses. Whatever happened to the 40 hour workweek? On the other hand, EA employees should get some balls and either strike or walkoff their jobs. If EA tried to fire them, the slave like conditions these people are forced to work under would be brought to light (probably in a court of law) and that would be bad for EA's bottom line.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:02:00 - [7] it is illegal. it should be punished though Win a Cerberus!! sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin Who pwned who? ~kieron RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:03:00 - [8] Originally by: HippoKing it is illegal. it should be punished though That's what I was thinking while reading it. I'm wondering why it's been allowed to get to this stage. ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
B0rn2KiLL	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:04:00 - [9] Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 17/04/2006 16:04:56 sure exposes the Game-Software progamming industry for the fraud it has become, nothing more than anther money making factory to that 1%. everyone enjoyed games back in the day, and those who enjoyed them the most were hte makers, but now industry tycoons have taken over to maximise profit margins.. yeah, they make it all better and more effecient as u can see. --- When It Absolutely Positively Has To Be Desotroyed.
Nex Angelus	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:05:00 - [10] I agree. This is disturbing. I would have thought that a large company as EA would have better policies regarding overtime and workload. I am myself head of human recouces dept. on a medium sized company in Sweden, so I don't know which laws that appy in the US, but here, what EA does would be illegal. It seems that more and more large companys is exploiting their workforce by introducing longer hours, without realizing that it costs them more and gives them less. Don't get me wrong here, sometimes it's needed, but there should always be some form of compensation for hours worked. Time <-> money you know . Also, in my experiance you can only push you employees so far, after that the quality of the work starts to degrade rapidly, and it takes more and more time to achieve the set goals. It's really a negative spiral, where the harder you push the less is actually done. It seems to me that (if this story is true ofcourse) that EA needs to rethink thier policy, and break the negative pattern they seem to be stuck in. Oh well, thats my two cents. Flame on ya'all
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:08:00 - [11] This is why alot of games or boring, it is made without heart for it ____________ HC MasiEEE
oDDiTy V2	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:12:00 - [12] Originally by: Raven Aure Originally by: HippoKing it is illegal. it should be punished though That's what I was thinking while reading it. I'm wondering why it's been allowed to get to this stage. Keep in mind that the article is about a year and a half old now- things may have changed for the better or worse since then. If it's still going on nearly two years later, thats just wrong.
Laythun	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:14:00 - [13] Over here (england) you cant be sacked for rufusing to work overtime --------------------------------------------- If im flaming or not contributing im sorry, but im trying to get into th [23]
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:18:00 - [14] EA games are for casual gamers any way, theyr whole marketing campaings and the stuff. and the new NFS totaly sucks is more like MTV. i remember NFS 3 was more fun the old one. here in netherlands we had like TMF GAME AWARDS and all the games that won where from EA games, like the sims it was totaly ripped off and the casual gamers dont know it was all EA crap and totaly falsed
Lunali	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Nex Angelus I am myself head of human recouces dept. on a medium sized company in Sweden, so I don't know which laws that appy in the US, but here, what EA does would be illegal. I'm pretty sure its illegal in the US too, but the workers either don't know or they value their jobs too much to do anything.
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Eternal Fury on 17/04/2006 16:18:25 I'd never work that kind of hours. dont' care where it is.
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:19:00 - [17] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Raven Aure Originally by: HippoKing it is illegal. it should be punished though That's what I was thinking while reading it. I'm wondering why it's been allowed to get to this stage. Keep in mind that the article is about a year and a half old now- things may have changed for the better or worse since then. If it's still going on nearly two years later, thats just wrong. I should have said "wondering why it was allowed to get to that stage". And I do hope things have changed. ______________________ Originally by: Double TaP hippo, other guy, calm down. lets be friends. yall are arguing about the different meanings of the word zerg.
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:28:00 - [18] Its sad whats happening with the games industry at the moment. Publishers won't touch games with any substance or originality, like RPGs. Its all about visuals because slick graphics create hype - and hype sells. The more boxes you can shift during the least amount of time is what publishing is all about. Traditionally RPGs sell at a slow (but steady) rate, something which is considered unprofitable. Oblivion is now being hailed as possibly the last great RPG, an end of an era. The only reason Bethesda could even make it was because of previous sucsess.
Tiel Nova	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:31:00 - [19] Edited by: Tiel Nova on 17/04/2006 16:32:40 There's a class action lawsuit going on. I read that complaint a long time ago, but I haven't heard anything about the lawsuit in months. NFS3 was amazing. High Stakes was okay. Underground 1 & 2 were terrible. :/ I haven't tried On Tour, but SSX Tricky and SSX3 were amazing, so have faith in the Canadian studio. - Oh and I think the talk about Oblivion being the last great RPG is overblown. The said the same thing about Ultima back in its heyday.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:38:00 - [20] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/04/2006 16:39:10 Originally by: Lunali Originally by: Nex Angelus I am myself head of human recouces dept. on a medium sized company in Sweden, so I don't know which laws that appy in the US, but here, what EA does would be illegal. I'm pretty sure its illegal in the US too, but the workers either don't know or they value their jobs too much to do anything. Are you certain its illegal? Im from Sweden too and ive heard these kind of horror stories from the US before... Time to share some more EA games on Direct Connect... :) --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Hunters Presence	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:51:00 - [21] Quote: 2004 saw the collapse of dozens of small game studios Plus the birth of many more... what a silly, unsupported, one-sided argument. Quote: 9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm) I've worked far far more hours than that on a voluntary MMO I created myself for months... I didn't get paid squat for it, the game was free. Quote: If EA truly believes that it needs to push its employees this hard -- I actually believe that they don't If EA don't crunch, games take three times longer to hit the market. The engine is out of date, the gameplay is lacking features implented in more recent games, people have moved on from the series and it flunks. I don't like EA's practises myself, but this is just a poor argument. ----- Lead Games Programmer \| Quasit-Rushyo Games \| I'm oh so sorry that my image was less than 5000 binary digits over the limit.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.04.17 16:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Hunters Presence Quote: 2004 saw the collapse of dozens of small game studios Plus the birth of many more... what a silly, unsupported, one-sided argument. Quote: 9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm) I've worked far far more hours than that on a voluntary MMO I created myself for months... I didn't get paid squat for it, the game was free. Quote: If EA truly believes that it needs to push its employees this hard -- I actually believe that they don't If EA don't crunch, games take three times longer to hit the market. The engine is out of date, the gameplay is lacking features implented in more recent games, people have moved on from the series and it flunks. I don't like EA's practises myself, but this is just a poor argument. They could hire more programmers, but why bother when people work almost 24 hours... --- "2006.04.15 05:48:19 notify Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I is already modifyActiveShieldResonanceAndNullifyPassiveResonance."
Antoinette Civari	Posted - 2006.04.17 17:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Hunters Presence Quote: 9am to 10pm -- seven days a week -- with the occasional Saturday evening off for good behavior (at 6:30pm) I've worked far far more hours than that on a voluntary MMO I created myself for months... I didn't get paid squat for it, the game was free. Some people need to work for a living and can't afford wasting their time. ;)
Antiochus	Posted - 2006.04.17 17:22:00 - [24] this is old news, check the date on the article. the empolyees already sued and everything.
Nanos	Posted - 2006.04.17 17:22:00 - [25] All comes down to how much the people are getting paid, if its a fortune, then indeed you work very long hours for that, else you work for less money and less hours. Though of course, you could simply employ more people, thats what I would do. Eg. team of 10 at 100k each a year, 12 hours a day, or team of 20 at 50k a year at 6 hours a day each, same cost, happier workers.. Now I bet if you ask the SO, would she be happy with her partner ONLY earning 50k a year..
Brem Watson	Posted - 2006.04.17 17:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Brem Watson on 17/04/2006 17:30:15 Yeah, we shouldn't care if EA gets run under a bus. They scrapped Earth and Beyond on a lot of us.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.04.17 17:38:00 - [27] I liked EA back when they made Need of Speed. These days they just produce junk. I say file a class-action lawsuit. Maybe they'll lose enough money that they'll have to go into corporate restructuring and somebody with his head on straight will take over. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Acheron Cyc	Posted - 2006.04.17 18:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Nanos Now I bet if you ask the SO, would she be happy with her partner ONLY earning 50k a year.. So you think its a good thing to work until exhaustion(and stress can actually cause death) for extra money? So, what are you going to do when your family leaves you because they rarely see you, anyway? Welcome to uncontrolled capitalism, anyway. As for EA per se, the only game of theirs I play nowadays is BF2 and thats about it. The last one of the NFS I enjoyed was Hot Persuit, then just stopped buying them. We should add SOE and Blizzard to the list. ------------------------------------------ "To do something right it must be done twice. The first time instructs the second." Simon Bolivar. Sig no longer virgin - Wrangler Me>Wrang
Flyyn	Posted - 2006.04.17 18:15:00 - [29] Is EA in California? If so then they are working within the laws of that state. Anything after 40 is time and a half. Seventh day on is double time. Rather be a programer then a mechanic working on the line, I've been there done that. Nice money comming in. Did anyone else notice he/she refered to their spouse not as husband or wife but "Partner" or "SO"?
Nanos	Posted - 2006.04.18 06:52:00 - [30] Yes I noticed the lack of gender reference, probably indicating SO is female and not male, and therefor maybe gets home late and tired not because of long hours at the office working, but some other shenanigans involving possibly a male work 'friend'... Its a rather ironic twist of fate, that if your unemployed and got plenty of quality time on your hands to spend with your 'family' they leave you for someone richer, and if your rich and work 12 hours a day, they leave you for someone with more time... Though they do tend to take most of your wealth with them when they do that..
Splagada	Posted - 2006.04.18 06:55:00 - [31] Originally by: HippoKing it is illegal. it should be punished though but so common... - Member of [AAST]
Dust Angel	Posted - 2006.04.18 06:56:00 - [32] if your salaried, they own your ass. _____________________________________ Stressed out with empire politics? Sansha's Nation helps clear your mind.
Bubba1977	Posted - 2006.04.18 07:08:00 - [33] 80 hours a week and getting paid about 40-60k a year...hmm sounds alot like my medical residency...although at the end of it(3 years away), the salary goes up quite a bit. __________________________________________________ 2006.01.24 06:13:19 Your Tachyon Beam Laser II perfectly strikes Amarr Control Tower [TSBS]<TSDS>, wrecking for 1528.7 damage.
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.04.18 07:31:00 - [34] Okay just to clear things up, there is a differeence between Salaried and Hourly. Its like Dust Angel said Quote: if your salaried, they own your ass. How do I know, I was salaried for 4 1/2 years. And I was scheduled for 45 hours a week but in reality I averaged 50-60 hours a week and didnt get paid **** for it. And anyone in the US be happy or scared but about a year ago some people tried getting a law on the books that if you earned over 22k a year you would be considered salaried. (it got killed but quite a few people were interested in pushing it thru) Think about that for a second.
Nicephorus	Posted - 2006.04.18 07:43:00 - [35] Self employed people the world over, myself included, work similar if not longer hours with less time off and no rights to receive sick pay or holiday pay.
Saeris Tal'Urduar	Posted - 2006.04.18 08:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Saeris Tal''Urduar on 18/04/2006 08:08:31 Originally by: Nicephorus Self employed people the world over, myself included, work similar if not longer hours with less time off and no rights to receive sick pay or holiday pay. Not sure if your compairing that story and being self employeed. If you are they are two different sides of (I'll go so far as to say) different coins. You directly reap the benifits for the amount of work you put into your own business. Not much most of the time I know most self employeed make enough to pay the bills and keep the business afloat. He will never (the person in the EA story), and 95% of the salaried people will never, reap the rewards of their hard work. The person in the story is a perfect example. The complaint of this persons SO wasnt so much of the hours, but that EA intentionally factored 60-80 hour work weeks, and lied saying they should only expect 40-50. I cant find it at the moment but California has a law stating that salaried people can be compensated for working over their scheduled times. Because employers were abusing salaried people and hours worked. To the point it went to court and they even had to pay back wages for something like 10 years. I remember it because I was hoping it would become a federal law, and I was going to get to cash in for all the time I had worked.
Meridius	Posted - 2006.04.18 10:10:00 - [37] Have a buddy working for EA. He hates it there (not for the same reasons in the article) and is quitting soon I warned him :\ _ __
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.04.18 10:12:00 - [38] i decided long ago that i would never ever give my money to EA again, and this has only served to reinforce that idea first off the games are usually crap, the same sports game with new names and sponsors... granted there are some exceptions but mostly it's the same boring **. second they seem to me like some kind of borg company assimilation game companies that used to be inovating and turn them into the same boring uniform game p.o.o.p.ing dispensor unit then there is the horrible need of ea to push half finished titles out just to make sure they keep to the release date... hey EA get it through your head that we'd rather wait another 6 months to get a finished product rather then paying 50 bucks for a ***** beta at the planned release date
Kurren	Posted - 2006.04.18 14:16:00 - [39] Well, it's a good read and all... very well written... but... if what EA ios doing is illegal... shut up and sue already! You can write in your diary any time you want. Sue EA and make enough money to start up your own gaming company. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com

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