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Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1014	Posted - 2014.02.25 16:23:00 - [1] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: Sorry, I think the worm needs major revision. In the least, the bonuses should aid the worm as a drone support ship. Give a bonus to repping and ewar drones instead of just damage. Hell, this could even give gurista a special niche as the only race where ewar drones are good. 2 bonus webbing drones could actually slow a target and not face a stacking penalty that renders the 4th and 5th drones useless. This is a great idea, but if you do this, keep the gigantic bonus to two drones, so that the stacking penalty is irrelevant. Two web drones with a 300% bonus, with one of them stacking penalized to ~89% effectiveness, would be something else. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1015	Posted - 2014.02.25 17:05:00 - [2] - Quote Destoya wrote: Also I must ask how you intend to deal with the Gila and Rattlesnake if you are going to give them a 300% bonus and 50m3 bandwith to launch two large size drones, since 5 mediums/lights bonused like that would be incredibly powerful against smaller targets as well as targets in the same size class. Gila: 300% bonus to medium drone damage. Rattlesnake: 300% bonus to heavy drone damage. Leave the bonus off sentries, and RattleCat (SlowSnake?) fleets are not so much of an issue. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1018	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:58:00 - [3] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: About the Worm, i think some of you are missing the point, overpowered is not a synonym of fun. The Worm should remain a shield tanked frigate(Caldari) with 5/10 drones(Gallente), balance the ship bonus around this. Fun is subjective, for instance, drones with greater survivability would be more fun for me, which is what the current worm proposal gives. 5/10 drones with better survivability would work, their is no need to have two super mega brutal drones of doom on the Worm. This makes me want to ask CCP Rise to take the final step, and push the Worm out with a 700% bonus to one drone. Then we can cheer our brave little hero drone as it blackens the skies with the wrecks of our enemies! (Until it got jammed or TD'd, anyway. But you have to admit, it'd be fun!) Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1041	Posted - 2014.03.04 17:30:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: At this point it seems that most people agree the new Sansha bonus is useful and powerful but some worry it may not fit Sansha flavor-wise. I'm not a huge expert on flavor of course, but from my perspective, Sansha really don't have a lot of flavor associated with their actual gameplay. Using lasers and being aggressive jerks seems like it covers the majority of what we know about them and I see no reason that an afterburner bonus can't fit into their character. I would also hate to give up a good gameplay design in the name of flavor unless it was extremely disruptive. I hope you Sansha loyalists can integrate this into your idea of how Sansha work without too much discomfort :) So the extremely close collaboration with the lore/story team on the SoE ships was a fluke? Because that was awesome. Sansha are great lore, prominently featured in the game. While I love the idea in the abstract of a kiting shield laserboat, and I love the additional variety you guys have introduced making active tanks and now afterburners viable in PVP (on the right hulls), I think it's really worth having lunch with CCP Eterne and the guys and talking lore. Even if the decision is that Sansha Kuvakei is trying out radical new tactics (which would make sense, considering how often his fleets get curbstomped now), so that the lore fits the design, that's still something toothsome and interesting. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1041	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:17:00 - [5] - Quote Batelle wrote: Dersen Lowery wrote: So the extremely close collaboration with the lore/story team on the SoE ships was a fluke? Because that was awesome. Sansha are great lore, prominently featured in the game. While I love the idea in the abstract of a kiting shield laserboat, and I love the additional variety you guys have introduced making active tanks and now afterburners viable in PVP (on the right hulls), I think it's really worth having lunch with CCP Eterne and the guys and talking lore. OMG SOE missions have me shooting amarr but their ships require amarr skills. The lore! Seriously though I love the lore but there's nothing about putting afterburners on sansha ships that conflicts with any kind of lore. I'm not saying there is. I'm saying that it's not good that he hasn't even consulted the lore or its keepers, and that he should probably do that. As far as the ship itself goes, I love the Succubus. It might not be the most ~optimal~ frigate, but it's going to be hella fun to fly. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1041	Posted - 2014.03.04 20:38:00 - [6] - Quote Batelle wrote: How do you know he hasn't? The paragraph I quoted strongly implies that either he hasn't, or he has and decided it didn't apply. Did you read it, or are you just firing off one-liners? Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
Dersen Lowery Laurentson INC StructureDamage 1041	Posted - 2014.03.04 21:06:00 - [7] - Quote Batelle wrote: I don't think what he said implies that at all, although its entirely possible that he hasn't consulted with them. In the paragraph you're talking about he specifically says "...don't have a lot of flavor associated with their actual gameplay," which is the matter at hand anyway. And which the Sansha roleplayers here seem to have a problem with. If anything, there's not a lot of flavor associated with actual gameplay because the Succubus and the Phantasm never got any actual gameplay, except as red crosses. The one ship that did is the Nightmare, which is a lumbering engine of death at long range. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

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