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Ilan
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Posted - 2006.04.18 05:42:00 -
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I know there are a lot of variables, but in general does an AF stand a chance?
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Litus Arowar
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Posted - 2006.04.18 05:49:00 -
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yes
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Tiddlywink
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:10:00 -
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not if the crusier fits nossie
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Emno
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Tiddlywink
not if the crusier fits nossie
even without nos a close range cruiser will rip apart an af ;s
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Litus Arowar
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:36:00 -
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Quote:
in general does an AF stand a chance?
I answered a general question with a general answer, yes... if you want an example, a 25km ranged harpy can kill a blasterrax if it fits a 28km faction scrambler... I'm not gonna put more thought into answers than was put in the original questions
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DJ P
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Posted - 2006.04.18 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ilan
I know there are a lot of variables, but in general does an AF stand a chance?
Depends if you refer to T1 cruiser VS AF or T2 cruiser vs AF.
And which AF too.
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sgt spike
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Posted - 2006.04.18 07:12:00 -
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most cruisers vs most af = dead af
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2006.04.18 07:18:00 -
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AF wins. (just as long as the cruiser is an exequeror, scythe, or osprey set up for mining)
Other than that cruiser wins 99% of the time so long as they are both set up for PvP.
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Naqq
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Posted - 2006.04.18 07:45:00 -
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If you got a well fitted cruiser for an AF encounter then the AF won't have a chance.
However, in general, if you know how to fit your AF properly then I can guarantee you that you'll win 80% of all your 1on1s vs cruisers, simply because most of EVE's population dosn't have a clue on how to fit.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:17:00 -
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Cruiser wins unless the cruiser pilot is a complete idiot.
You don't even need NOS, webs, or drones. A couple volleys from a properly fit cruiser should shred an AF in seconds.
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4 LOM
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:17:00 -
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I would say AF, i know way back when i flew a harpy i would never back down from a cruiser in my harpy and never lost. That being said i think most T1 cruiser pilots are lower skilled and lower experianced (not all, but most) since people with higher skills tend to gravitate to tech 2 ships (again not all).
As a more generalized answer, if the cruiser pilot is good and is fitted anti frigate, the AF will prolly die. but in most cases you will win in a AF. this does not mean an AF is better then a cruiser, just generaly you will win the fight.
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Cruiser wins unless the cruiser pilot is a complete idiot.
You don't even need NOS, webs, or drones. A couple volleys from a properly fit cruiser should shred an AF in seconds.
eh
Enyo w/ 125mm t2 + orbit at 15 w/ ab on anyone?  Mate everything is possible, i killed a ferox in a ranis, he had nos and...3 drones  It comes down to setups, tactics and the pilot ofcos.
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2006 08:33:59
Originally by: Epsilon 1
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Cruiser wins unless the cruiser pilot is a complete idiot.
You don't even need NOS, webs, or drones. A couple volleys from a properly fit cruiser should shred an AF in seconds.
eh
Enyo w/ 125mm t2 + orbit at 15 w/ ab on anyone? Mate everything is possible, i killed a ferox in a ranis, he had nos and...3 drones It comes down to setups, tactics and the pilot ofcos.
First volley of explosive precision heavy missiles.
Boom, shield gone.
Second volley, 8 seconds later.
Boom, armor 2/3 gone.
Third volley, 8 seconds later.
Into structure.
Fourth volley, 8 seconds later.
Boom.
/looks at shield: 70%.
(This can be repeated with any type of medium-range cruiser weaponry. Note that I would not recommend using railguns, as many AFs seem to be curiously resistant to them)
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Naqq
However, in general, if you know how to fit your AF properly then I can guarantee you that you'll win 80% of all your 1on1s vs cruisers, simply because most of EVE's population dosn't have a clue on how to fit.
Exactly the same could be said in reverse about a properly fitted PvP cruiser.
AF's are fun, but cruiser-killers they are not.
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Purifier
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:45:00 -
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No offense, but the question isn't a very good one. Almost any ship can take any ship given the right pilot and fitting vs the right pilot and fitting. For instance i know many cruisers that will easily take down the average n00b flying a battle ship. Same for frigates against cruisers. And for all other classes. Cruiser vs hac etc.... But since you asked the question I am just going to assume you are not the best PVP'r so I will say, if it is you in the AC vs the Cruiser you would probably die, unless the cruiser wasn't fitted for pvp or is a moron (not unlikely acctually). If you are in the Cruiser then I would assume you have about a 50/50 chance against a normally abled AC pilot, if it is a good pilot your chance is probably much much less. Sorry if any of that was offensive, telling it like it is.
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:48:00 -
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remember anything is possible in an ishkur, Ive won against a ferox and a caracal in it :D
So yes.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.04.18 09:50:00 -
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cruiser > af
if cruiser have web/nos af dead
if cruiser pilot is dumb and stopid setuped af will win
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2006 10:00:52
Originally by: Shinnen
remember anything is possible in an ishkur, Ive won against a ferox and a caracal in it :D
So yes.
That must have been a really stupid Ferox + Caracal pilots 
I have yet to take more than 4 shots to kill an AF in EVE with my Caracal, I believe. It may have taken me 5 shots to kill a Harpy, I think, but thats probably it for more than 4 volleys.
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Lancellott
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Posted - 2006.04.18 10:16:00 -
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well one time i kill 2 af whit one rupture so think about it
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
That must have been a really stupid Ferox + Caracal pilots
Proves me point
Originally by: Dark Shikari
have yet to take more than 4 shots to kill an AF in EVE with my Caracal, I believe. It may have taken me 5 shots to kill a Harpy, I think, but thats probably it for more than 4 volleys.
Precision are getting sorted 
You don't quite get the afs' weak and strong points, mate. Nothing personal
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Kyozoku
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:11:00 -
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Not every cruiser you encounter is gonna be a max skilled with t2 ammo.
It all comes down to the pilots. In other words find noobs. 
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Arhab
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:16:00 -
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I think the Ishkur is a good example of one that will work, especia;;y with good droneskills.
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Electric Cucumber
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:19:00 -
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If the cruiser has a webifier and NOS the AF will blow up if it get's near. But I guess long range ishkur's or harpy's can stay out of web/nos range and destroy the cruiser.
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kyozoku
Not every cruiser you encounter is gonna be a max skilled with t2 ammo.
It all comes down to the pilots. In other words find noobs.
But then u would be cutting down the amount of targets you can attack, why not just fly a cruiser it will cost less and u get it fully insurable so you would only be paying for the mods u fit on.
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:41:00 -
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Unless the Cruiser is set up to kill AFs, the AF will have the upper hand. Especially AFs that operate outside nos/web range (Ishkur/RailEnyo/Harpy/ArtyJag/BeamRetri etc), unless the cruiser is also packing a MWD - see 'set up to kill AFs'. Certainly I've yet to lose an AF to a T1 cruiser.
I'm assuming T1 cruisers here btw. T2 cruisers are very diverse and specialised and will generally have the upper hand over AFs.
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Astrum Ludus
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:44:00 -
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I fought my brothers Ishkar (sp?) in an Omen with 1 med NOS and he kicked my ass.
He even won fighting at my opt with him webbed, although that was close.
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Waenn Ironstaff
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Posted - 2006.04.18 11:48:00 -
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I remember fighting a Harp like a month ago in my Caracal... Had fitted 5 Heavy Launchers and the bastard warped right on top of me,
No drones, nos or web to stop the SoB amd he ripped me a new one. Of course I did not have the skills for Heavy Precision (nor do I right now).
Heavies barely dented his shields...
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Arhab
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:00:00 -
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Dont use heavies, go with hammerheads or even lights
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Arhab
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:01:00 -
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errr ingore my prev post, thought you meant heavy drones.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.04.18 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2006 12:25:50
Originally by: Epsilon 1
You don't quite get the afs' weak and strong points, mate. Nothing personal
1. There's nothing wrong with precision heavies.
2. I've done the same without precision heavies.
3. I've done the same with other cruisers.
4. AFs don't have strong points, to be honest. They suck. That's why they will be (or at least should be) boosted. The only real purpose of AFs are as heavy tacklers, inty killers, and noobkilling machines. They're useless against anything larger than another AF, unless the pilot has a really bad setup.
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