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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.11 12:48:00 -
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The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark. Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.
I hope they are not final.
Oh and the navy scorp with that digital camo ,it looks like a gpu memory error or something. |

Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2011.11.11 18:49:00 -
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I mean seriously, the whole game is a lot darker. Excluding not being able to see our ships in many cases, there's also a severe case of eye strain.
And eye strain is the last tired people want when trying to relax after hard day with eve. |

Xenial Jesse Taalo
Tactical Nyan Cat Attack Force OMNIMODUS ALLIANCE
19
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:20:00 -
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Raven Ether wrote:I mean seriously, the whole game is a lot darker. Excluding not being able to see our ships in many cases, there's also a severe case of eye strain.
And eye strain is the last [thing] tired people want when trying to relax after hard day with eve.
QFT.
The ships are just too dark. We can't tell our eyes to stop trying to see; eye strain is going to happen.
And the new Firetail skin, also just too dark (also, what was wrong with it, it used to look great. :( ) |

Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:21:00 -
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Be prepared for an onslaught of posts saying that space is supposed to be dark. 
If you think Caldari ships are bad wait till the V3 the Minmatar ones. They will all look like the Firetail.
I will be flying Amarr ships in Amarr so I can see wtf is going on. |

Knoppaz
Rens Nursing Home
4
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Posted - 2011.11.11 19:30:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark. Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.
I hope they are not final.
Oh and the navy scorp with that digital camo ,it looks like a gpu memory error or something.
What?? The Ferox is pure p0rn now.. |

Jiji Hamin
Federal Defence Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:10:00 -
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i think the new skins are profoundly sexy, and i love when the ship is blacked out except the floating windows. i find it uberly sexy. meanwhile, when lit from the bright side, still fully visible. also, this varies region to region. syndicate is particularly dark...
moreover, while i feel pretty "take it or leave it" when it comes to the digital camo, i know some people love the new hookbill and, speaking for myself, i ******* adore the new firetail. |

Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
40
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:12:00 -
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The new caldari skins are great. |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
203
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:38:00 -
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My drake is VERY dark ... using mac os Repair Drones should be able to repair anyone ... really, they should. -áThink of them as the first targetable subsystem if you're worried about PvP and for missions if someone wants Rep drones over a flight of Hobs, who cares. -áThere is no reasonable objection here other than it's always been that way (so was RR until recently). |

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
42
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Posted - 2011.11.11 20:56:00 -
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To dark? think folks have there contrast on to low couse i see them fine and they look totaly awesome. |

Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:06:00 -
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The skins are fine, your monitor is the issue - try going into the setting and turn up your bright.... sheesh. |

Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:50:00 -
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Or they could brighten it and you can set your monitors to be darker. Or put a bag over your head. Same result. |

Denuo Secus
7
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Posted - 2011.11.11 23:51:00 -
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I always disliked all the grayish of Caldari hulls. New hulls are much better imho. I love the black trim on almost all ships. |

Burhtun
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum
3
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Posted - 2011.11.12 00:00:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark. Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.
I agree. I actually just complained about the same thing in another thread, with pictures to illustrate:
Burhtun wrote:I understand that EVE is supposed to be a 'dark' universe and all that, but doesn't anybody else think this is going too far? http://www.burhtun.com/bs/newshipsandsky.jpgIs it this dark for everyone else? Is the lighting and shaders and whatnot still a work in progress for the new skybox and ship textures? Visual readability has taken a nose dive. In the screenshots on the far left the Drake has become an amorphous blob that blends into the station in the background. When flying in space the ship is a silhouette when viewed from the shadowed hemisphere, and even when viewed from the side that is hit by the sun it is still very dim. That particular nebula is also so intense it will overpower anything else in the scene. Basically everything is fighting against the traditional rules of visual hierarchy.
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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.11.12 00:13:00 -
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Burhtun wrote:Naomi Knight wrote:The new skins for caldari ships are way too dark. Like the ferox , on tq it is nice and shiny on sisi it is just a black grayish blob,you cant see a thing on it.
I agree. I actually just complained about the same thing in another thread, with pictures to illustrate: Burhtun wrote:I understand that EVE is supposed to be a 'dark' universe and all that, but doesn't anybody else think this is going too far? http://www.burhtun.com/bs/newshipsandsky.jpgIs it this dark for everyone else? Is the lighting and shaders and whatnot still a work in progress for the new skybox and ship textures? Visual readability has taken a nose dive. In the screenshots on the far left the Drake has become an amorphous blob that blends into the station in the background. When flying in space the ship is a silhouette when viewed from the shadowed hemisphere, and even when viewed from the side that is hit by the sun it is still very dim. That particular nebula is also so intense it will overpower anything else in the scene. Basically everything is fighting against the traditional rules of visual hierarchy.
I really hate to say this, because I hate when people day - it's your PC, but in this case it is your monitors - go to the setting and reset to default and then try some things - fro your images - your contrast is way to low and your brightness is low also - making global changes to the skins arent going to happen - they have tested these in shop and it is why we have local setting for individual end clients.
I had a similar issue with another game not this one on my old PC, and you have to remember they have changed the graphics, the shahows and the backdrops all at once, unfortunately it is probably that your monitor isn't backlite or is a little dim... I would suggest doing a EVE profile in your GPU setting and then tweek it to the best, maybe some time in the future CCP will put in a brightness control and a gamma, but until then the best solution to this is up the settings. try a bit more contrast and brightness and you should have better quality, the images def look washed out in a uniform way when docked and they look too dim and lacking contrast in space.
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Xenial Jesse Taalo
Tactical Nyan Cat Attack Force OMNIMODUS ALLIANCE
19
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Posted - 2011.11.12 00:42:00 -
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Jiji Hamin wrote: i ******* adore the new firetail.
But it's just dark grey! 
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Burhtun
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum
3
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Posted - 2011.11.12 00:48:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote: I really hate to say this, because I hate when people day - it's your PC, but in this case it is your monitors - go to the setting and reset to default and then try some things - fro your images - your contrast is way to low and your brightness is low also - making global changes to the skins arent going to happen - they have tested these in shop and it is why we have local setting for individual end clients.
Huh? Are you saying the images look dark and muddled on your screen? Because my monitor settings have no effect on how a screen grab will look on your monitor. Bad monitor settings also wouldn't explain why the shot from the live server looks fine. Or why every other game, EVE live included, looks fine on my screen yet Sisi EVE does not. If you're suggesting I set up a profile solely for playing post-winter patch EVE, thats silly.
The problem is the new ship skin is low contrast and low in value range. So in the interior shot, it blends in with the background which is also low contrast and low in value range. The background is fine, it should be that way, its a background. Its supposed to fall back. You can see from the two screen shots that the background looks exactly the same on Sisi and on Tranqulity. Yet the Sisi shot looks like crap. What has changed between the two? Only the ship skin. In the outside shots the ship gets obliterated by a bright, high contrast, highly saturated skybox. You'd probably need a spaceship in WoW style to stand out against that backdrop. The old shiny bright Drake would at least have a chance, but this dark dull one can't compete. |

Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:35:00 -
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That to the OP.
My SISI client - they look perfectly fine, in fact much better, no issues and so I say leave them they way they are - my screen doesn't look at all like that stuff you posted, it looks very detailed, perfect brightness and contrasted, so IDK know what your talking about that they are "too dark" - they are just fine... no change needed on this end... so sorry it's your PC, not the skins or the skyboxes or whatever your on about... but I can say the images you posted look horrible, but that is not what they look like on mine and so it's not a global issue of they are too dark, it is that some displays apparenlty are not setup right.
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Burhtun
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum
3
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:53:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:my screen doesn't look at all like that stuff you posted, it looks very detailed, perfect brightness and contrasted
Can you take a screenshot and show us? Are you using an Nvidia card?
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
309
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Posted - 2011.11.12 04:18:00 -
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Well i think the new Rokh looks damn ncie The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Xenial Jesse Taalo
Tactical Nyan Cat Attack Force OMNIMODUS ALLIANCE
19
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Posted - 2011.11.12 07:47:00 -
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How can you blame his PC. No matter what his settings or screen are like, ultimately SiSi produces an issue on the same machine that TQ doesn't and never did. |

Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:09:00 -
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You make the game darker with the new nebulae lighting and then also darken the new textures?
I'd like to see my ship not an obscure blob, this is a video game fire and foremost not a NASA simulation. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2011.11.12 09:46:00 -
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Made some shots so you can see what Ive meant:
new navy scorp vs old the new skin is so "pixelled" I dont like it
eagle+basilisk
sith ferox vs tq ferox
ferox with caldari navy cloak fitted
oh the new market icons
I understand most of you like darker tones ( me too) but can't see sh*t is not = with that we could just watch a black box and couldnt notice the difference.
All shots made an hour ago, only sizes were altered same setup for tq and sisi, the sisi system is the testing one the tq system is where I have my ships. I tried to shot similar sides of the ships for both versions. You can clearly see that the sisi versions are much much darker. |

Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2011.11.12 11:36:00 -
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They look ok in stations, but in space you can't see anything.
And it's not just caldari ships, that happens for everything. |

Yin Utada
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 12:30:00 -
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It may be intentional that you can't see your ship.
Too dark textures? Can't see your ship? The NEX store has new skins for you, so you can actually see your ship! Only 44.99$! |

Rivqua
Omega Wing
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:36:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Made some shots so you can see what Ive meant: new navy scorp vs old the new skin is so "pixelled" I dont like it eagle+basilisksith ferox vs tq feroxferox with caldari navy cloak fittedoh the new market iconsI understand most of you like darker tones ( me too) but can't see sh*t is not = with that we could just watch a black box and couldnt notice the difference. All shots made an hour ago, only sizes were altered same setup for tq and sisi, the sisi system is the testing one the tq system is where I have my ships. I tried to shot similar sides of the ships for both versions. You can clearly see that the sisi versions are much much darker.
Turn off HDR ;) |

Rawls Canardly
Phoenix Confederation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:50:00 -
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If you were actually piloting one of those things, would you be thinking, "Damn I hope my homies can see how badass my boat looks?" Or would you want them to not be so obvious on the screen so you have less chance of being spotted by pirates and the like? OK, Tyrone. Put down the spinners. Think. The V3 textures are fine. |

Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2011.11.12 15:02:00 -
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Rawls Canardly wrote:If you were actually piloting one of those things, would you be thinking, "Damn I hope my homies can see how badass my boat looks?" Or would you want them to not be so obvious on the screen so you have less chance of being spotted by pirates and the like? OK, Tyrone. Put down the spinners. Think. The V3 textures are fine.
oh yes cause you would look out the window to spot enemy ships,possibly many tens kms away, instead of use your high tech sensors + most ships are lit out due to windows and some lamps +engine ,completly negating any advantage a paintjob could give so pls think ... |

Deitis Surtic
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2011.11.12 15:05:00 -
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Denuo Secus wrote:I always disliked all the grayish of Caldari hulls. New hulls are much better imho. I love the black trim on almost all ships.
QFT. Consistency is a very welcome thing, and the lighting (as in, the flashy light things on the ship) help a lot for those of us running their their monitors a little dark.
We'll have to see what the end result is, but lightening the current models too much will make them look grey and generally icky.
- D |

Rawls Canardly
Phoenix Confederation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 15:08:00 -
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Naomi Knight wrote:Rawls Canardly wrote:If you were actually piloting one of those things, would you be thinking, "Damn I hope my homies can see how badass my boat looks?" Or would you want them to not be so obvious on the screen so you have less chance of being spotted by pirates and the like? OK, Tyrone. Put down the spinners. Think. The V3 textures are fine. oh yes cause you would look out the window to spot enemy ships,possibly many tens kms away, instead of use your high tech sensors + most ships are lit out due to windows and some lamps +engine ,completly negating any advantage a paintjob could give so pls think ... While I like to fly-by-wire, I know several pilots who don't. This would force them to, which is a little more realistic. |

Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
109
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Posted - 2011.11.12 18:32:00 -
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oh men no more dark, i already need to close all stores before playing eve >_< |
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