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Cupr Tron CuprCorp 0	Posted - 2014.03.01 19:56:00 - [1] - Quote My proposal is to create a module that can be fitted in hi, med, or low slot. This moduse can use cpu/pg (liike turret), works only in hi sec, can be activated only automaticaly when someone shoot in players ship and puts ship in some kind of "reinforced " mode where it takes no damage. And make obligatory agreement window in direct trade, which show items ande amounts of isks
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 153	Posted - 2014.03.01 19:59:00 - [2] - Quote Dafuq did you smoke? EDIT: Also I would like to see your lossmail responsible for this "Idea". 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Dolorous Tremmens The Scope Gallente Federation 120	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:08:00 - [3] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: My proposal is to create a module that can be fitted in hi, med, or low slot. This moduse can use cpu/pg (liike turret), works only in hi sec, can be activated only automaticaly when someone shoot in players ship and puts ship in some kind of "reinforced " mode where it takes no damage. Wow, poorly disguised "remove non-consenting pvp from eve" thread. NO For reasons of wanting content and player interaction, which invulnerability removes. To be clear, Undocking is consent to PVP, because you are game content to everyone else. Do your best to stay alive, but unless you stay docked at all times, it should not be impossible to kill your ship. Don't undock what you can't afford to lose Get some Eve. Make it yours.
Sublime Rage Righteous Immortal Pew Darwins Lemmings 1405	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:15:00 - [4] - Quote Point to us where the bad suicide ganker touched you
Anhenka Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 265	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:15:00 - [5] - Quote I propose a new anti suicide mod. When someone less than a year old attempts to jump into lowsec in a ship worth over a bil, a mechanical hand mounted on their computer repeatedly smack them in the face, then asks them if they are sure they want to jump. We could apply the same thing to higsec and flying a freighter worth 5 Bil or more. Oh and having the warning only is not an option. The mechanical hand must provide satisfactory feedback that it has slapped someone in the face before the warning can be issued.
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 264	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:41:00 - [6] - Quote Anhenka wrote: I propose a new anti suicide mod. When someone less than a year old attempts to jump into lowsec in a ship worth over a bil, a mechanical hand mounted on their computer repeatedly smack them in the face, then asks them if they are sure they want to jump. We could apply the same thing to higsec and flying a freighter worth 5 Bil or more. Oh and having the warning only is not an option. The mechanical hand must provide satisfactory feedback that it has slapped someone in the face before the warning can be issued. Um, could I get this module in an alarm clock? some days i just need a good kick out of bed
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 155	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:47:00 - [7] - Quote And then EVE becomes the first Game pleasing SM orientet sexual desires and you get Threads wanting additional lines for the hand bot like "Who is a bad Pilot" etc. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Psychotic Monk Vivaldi Reloaded 1846	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote Why do you think this change is good? Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 159	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:32:00 - [9] - Quote The robotic hand? Why not? 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 4931	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:24:00 - [10] - Quote Damien White wrote: EDIT: Also I would like to see your lossmail responsible for this "Idea". Found it. It was his friend/alt (who is also in the same corp) that lost a slightly pimp-fit Rattlesnake (it isn't a total lol-mail sadly). Also... no to the OP's idea. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1481	Posted - 2014.03.01 23:42:00 - [11] - Quote Psychotic Monk wrote: Why do you think this change is good? It would cause tons of ganker tears. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Cupr Tron CuprCorp 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:04:00 - [12] - Quote Make moar drama
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 163	Posted - 2014.03.02 13:06:00 - [13] - Quote You still did not post the lossmail. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Cupr Tron CuprCorp 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:02:00 - [14] - Quote This char dont lose anything, and generaly i want use this module on autopilotl, it's anoying to watch 40 jumps in monitor.
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 166	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:14:00 - [15] - Quote How about you ... and this might actually blow your mind ... Fit a tank? No, seriously, I know it might be a revolutionary concept for you but it might actually help you not getting killed. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Cupr Tron CuprCorp 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 18:57:00 - [16] - Quote Damien White wrote: How about you ... and this might actually blow your mind ... Fit a tank? No, seriously, I know it might be a revolutionary concept for you but it might actually help you not getting killed. O'rly Tank? never thought about it, and could you please count how much tank i need to fit againt 40 T2 1400 mm Tornados
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 167	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:02:00 - [17] - Quote Heh, when you think 40 Tornados are your problem you have no idea how this game works. Anyway, dont transport sonething worth billions in a ship that has less than 30k HP or a scanable Cargobay. No, realy, your point of view is blinded by false asumptions and bad understanding of how the game works. You want a godmode because you are to lazy to actually try to understand the game. There are solutions out there for your "problem", the method you propose here comes from the mind of a coward unable to think for himself. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
TehCloud Mastercard. 218	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:17:00 - [18] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: My proposal is to create a module that can be fitted in hi, med, or low slot. This moduse can use cpu/pg (liike turret), works only in hi sec, can be activated only automaticaly when someone shoot in players ship and puts ship in some kind of "reinforced " mode where it takes no damage. And make obligatory agreement window in direct trade, which show items ande amounts of isks There is already a fix to both Problems: a) Fit a fuckin tank. b) Read c) Use your brain and stop being dumb My Condor costs less than that module!
Cupr Tron CuprCorp 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:40:00 - [19] - Quote Damien White wrote: Heh, when you think 40 Tornados are your problem you have no idea how this game works. Anyway, dont transport sonething worth billions in a ship that has less than 30k HP or a scanable Cargobay. No, realy, your point of view is blinded by false asumptions and bad understanding of how the game works. You want a godmode because you are to lazy to actually try to understand the game. There are solutions out there for your "problem", the method you propose here comes from the mind of a coward unable to think for himself. BTW: 1400 Arty is a bad weapon for suicide ganking, please inform yourself on how ganking realy works. Game giave an opotunity for some group of people to do what tey want with near 100% probability, i just want that other gpoup of people to avoid this with the same probabillity, and don't "**** brick's" when saw our friends on trashers/tornados ). As you said it's a game, and maybe I dont want to spend my time for understanding, I want to just play, cause I already have work? And who wrote about godmode. Developers could make strict conditions for this module didn't they?
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 4939	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:43:00 - [20] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: maybe I dont want to spend my time for understanding, I want to just play, cause I already have work? I think we're done here. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Cupr Tron CuprCorp 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:47:00 - [21] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Cupr Tron wrote: maybe I dont want to spend my time for understanding, I want to just play, cause I already have work? I think we're done here. Yes you are right
Damien White Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 167	Posted - 2014.03.02 19:52:00 - [22] - Quote No, your "idea" is basicaly a godmode. What you dont seem to understand, people will not field 40 Tornados just for funzies, they do so as long as they can make a large profit. Your problem is, you are afraid because you fear something that you do not understand, kind of like children are afraid of "Monsters from below the bed". I dont tell you to read every single info about game mechanics but to read about the ships you will be flying for transportation, what are their benefits and drawbacks, what can you do to protect them and how many DPS are required to kill your ship in less than 8s. Use Freighters for large ammounts of cheap stuff Use T2 Transports for Medium ammounts of expensive stuff Use Interceptors, Cov Ops Transports, T3 or any other fast alligning ship for extreme high value stuff like officer Items. Just saying, there are people out there casualy transporting large ammounts of cargo in lowsec and they do quite fine, even without the protection of CONCORD. And one last point, there is no save place in EVE and no module that gives you temporary safety. Either deal with the cruel truth, that you can and will loose your ship when you do stupid stuff (like transporting 2b worth of modules in an untanked iteron V), or quit the game because THIS is THE game mechanic defining EVE 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Cupr Tron CuprCorp 0	Posted - 2014.03.02 20:47:00 - [23] - Quote People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it. And it is my choice to fly in hisec/ And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now. If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied. If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless.
TehCloud Mastercard. 218	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:08:00 - [24] - Quote Temporal Safety does exist: Docked in a Station My Condor costs less than that module!
Anhenka Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 275	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:12:00 - [25] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it. And it is my choice to fly in hisec/ And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now. If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied. If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless. They have said on many occasions that highsec does not mean absolute safety. That if people are willing to suicide gank someone for whatever reason, that it is a perfectly acceptable game mechanic and entirely supported by CCP. You are asking for a module that automatically turns your ship invincible long enough for concord to come along and kill your suicide gankers. A module that without effort, thought, or interaction protects you from people trying to kill your ship. And you will never get it. I'm sure CCP has considered it, while they were compiling a list of "Ways to make EVE into Hello Kitty Online". But it is a module that goes against the basic tenet of eve. Risk Vs Reward. Unless you risk, you deserve no reward. Temporary safety exists in eve. It's called being in station.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 366	Posted - 2014.03.02 21:39:00 - [26] - Quote Another day another "let's laugh at stupid carebears for being stupid" thread. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Alvatore DiMarco Capricious Endeavours Ltd 1851	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:43:00 - [27] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: maybe I dont want to spend my time for understanding, I want to just play, cause I already have work? In that case, you're playing the wrong game. EVE is not for the apathetic, the lazy, the unwilling to understand or the "I just want to play" crowd. It is not for the "average MMO player" who wants effortless entertainment and expects to always get the cookie every time. It is not for the casual, the thin-skinned, the morals-obsessed or anyone who believes that justice, fairness and "the right thing" should always prevail. In short, the problem is not EVE. The problem is not gatecamps. The problem is not 1400mm Artillery. The problem is you. Get out.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 2891	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:07:00 - [28] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: This char dont lose anything, and generaly i want use this module on autopilotl, it's anoying to watch 40 jumps in monitor. Psychotic Monk wrote: Why do you think this change is good? Cause generaly there is no counter against suicide fleet, and mechanics like this would provide equal oportunity for peoples from other side. "Not being stupid" is your counter to a suicide fleet. If you die in highsec, odds are pretty good it's entirely your own fault. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Winchester Steele 355	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:50:00 - [29] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it. And it is my choice to fly in hisec/ And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now. If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied. If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless. Wait wait. I think this guys idea has merit. Let's implement this module as the OP wants it. But we will also have to remove all missions, rats, ores and trade hubs from hi-sec as well in order to keep the risk vs. reward in balance. Sound good? ...
Anhenka Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 275	Posted - 2014.03.03 00:08:00 - [30] - Quote Winchester Steele wrote: Wait wait. I think this guys idea has merit. Let's implement this module as the OP wants it. But we will also have to remove all missions, rats, ores and trade hubs from hi-sec as well in order to keep the risk vs. reward in balance. Sound good? Or we could leave it in the form he wants, and just give it an appropriately sized invuln reinforcement timer. Say..... 5 days. Ofc like all other reinforcement timers, immobility would be a factor, persistent through downtime. Making the ships location static across downtimes would be a required aspect as well. That would mean the cargo would be temporarily safe, but the ship would be sitting there in space for the entire five days counting down to zero. And when zero hits, out of reinforced comes a pinata that has been broadcasting its value worth ganking and the time when the party starts for the better part of a week. Honestly, I'm kind of liking this idea. I could see people cruising through highsec, seeing a freighter pinata about to come out of Reo, then gathering their friends for an impromptu party, ready to kill the freighter coming out of reinforcement at the traditional 25% health remaining.
Drunken Angel BodyBag Industries 8	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:17:00 - [31] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it. And it is my choice to fly in hisec/ And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now. If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied. If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless. By undocking you activate "pvp mode" if you dont want to pvp dont undock as the meercat would say "SIMPLES!!"
Sixx Spades GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 185	Posted - 2014.05.21 02:19:00 - [32] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: People who fly in low made an choice, when i was blowed in low/null i dont got any positive/negative emotioins, cause it was my choice and when i got a chence to blow somrone i definetly use it. And it is my choice to fly in hisec/ And i posted here cause i wanted at least a temporary safety, that realy dont exist now. If CCP says that they thought/maybe about it i would be satisfied. If tey says no/never our discussion is became useless. That sure was a pretty nice Rattlesnake your corpmate Cuprrr lost back in December. This thread wouldn't happen to be a response to that wonderful event, would it? Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 293	Posted - 2014.05.21 04:05:00 - [33] - Quote Arya Regnar wrote: Another day another "let's laugh at stupid carebears for being stupid" thread. It's funny; I'm a carebear and have been my entire Eve life, and stuff like this makes me chuckle.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 791	Posted - 2014.05.21 13:15:00 - [34] - Quote Anhenka wrote: Winchester Steele wrote: Wait wait. Or we could leave it in the form he wants, and just give it an appropriately sized invuln reinforcement timer. Say..... 5 days. Ofc like all other reinforcement timers, immobility would be a factor, persistent through downtime. Making the ships location static across downtimes would be a required aspect as well. That would mean the cargo would be temporarily safe, but the ship would be sitting there in space for the entire five days counting down to zero. And when zero hits, out of reinforced comes a pinata that has been broadcasting its value worth ganking and the time when the party starts for the better part of a week. Honestly, I'm kind of liking this idea. I could see people cruising through highsec, seeing a freighter pinata about to come out of Reo, then gathering their friends for an impromptu party, ready to kill the freighter coming out of reinforcement at the traditional 25% health remaining. Yes then assuming anyone attacking it gets a suspect flag for the same period,and is unable to dock/stay docked or logoff, could lead to some emergent gameplay. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Samillian Angry Mustellid 516	Posted - 2014.05.21 13:38:00 - [35] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: My proposal is to create a module that can be fitted in hi, med, or low slot. This moduse can use cpu/pg (liike turret), works only in hi sec, can be activated only automaticaly when someone shoot in players ship and puts ship in some kind of "reinforced " mode where it takes no damage. And make obligatory agreement window in direct trade, which show items ande amounts of isks Easier just not to log in. This would have much the same effect as your proposed module with the added bonus of giving you time to pop down to your doctors and get your prescription checked/renewed. Not supported. P.S. If you want "temporary safety" in EvE don't undock. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1569	Posted - 2014.05.21 13:41:00 - [36] - Quote Alvatore DiMarco wrote: In short, the problem is not EVE. The problem is not gatecamps. The problem is not 1400mm Artillery. The problem is you. Get out. Here u go EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Soldarius Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore 685	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:03:00 - [37] - Quote Holy crap. I thought OP was literally asking for an anti-suicide item. Like an anti-self-destruct item. Glad I read down a couple responses. No. Proposal declined. If you don't want to lose ships, don't undock. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Maxor Swift Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:04:00 - [38] - Quote PvP consensual or otherwise should never be confused with suicide ganking. REAL men dont suicide gank "What you talking about willis"
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1064	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:40:00 - [39] - Quote LOOOL! I read the thread title and thought the OP will surely be talking about a module that prevents him from switching his safety (accidentally) from green to red. xD Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Odithia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:40:00 - [40] - Quote Agreeing that "suicide gank" is either carebearing or sociopath perversity that is made way too easy with current tools. In game tools being high dps to isk ratio ships (cata/talos/nado) and the ability to copy the result of a ship scan. Out of game tools being excel and api linked calculators that turn ship scan into isk value, that make risk analysis way too easy. Op suggestions however doesn't seem to fit the game well.
MajorBean The Scope Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:42:00 - [41] - Quote What an great idea! Lets do a "pvp slider"
fudface ACME-INC 48	Posted - 2014.05.21 15:10:00 - [42] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: This char dont lose anything, and generaly i want use this module on autopilotl, it's anoying to watch 40 jumps in monitor. Psychotic Monk wrote: Why do you think this change is good? Cause generaly there is no counter against suicide fleet, and mechanics like this would provide equal oportunity for peoples from other side. CCP introduced the lock breaker mod isnt that enough for you? you cant stop suicide ganking its part of the fun of the game. you can mitigate the risk by adding more tank watching local and tagging suspects so you know if they are in local. get a friend to fly with you in a brick tanked logi ship.
Orla- King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 59	Posted - 2014.05.21 16:05:00 - [43] - Quote Cupr Tron wrote: Anti suicide module I'll take "what is a Damage Control II ?" for 400 jim.
Willmahh 40	Posted - 2014.05.21 19:16:00 - [44] - Quote i would vote 100% for this idea with one itty bitty tweak. Fitting ANY anti-suicide module: Prevents users from fitting any other module, Reduces cargo capacity to 0.00m3, Restricts the ship from using any gate, WH, or cyno, and Using any Chat, local or otherwise that way you can enjoy your safety and have no effect on the economy or other players.
Captain Finklestein School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.05.21 19:28:00 - [45] - Quote This is a really good idea. In the same way that cutting off my ******* and eating it with a serving of cottage cheese is a good idea. EDIT: Cannot believe that "the sack which contains my genitals" is considered a swear word on here.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1089	Posted - 2014.05.21 19:40:00 - [46] - Quote I'll change this idea so it's more acceptable. FItting : it disable all high slot, all med slot, all low slot and all rig slots. Reduce cargo capacity by 100%. Cannot be fitted outside of a station. The ship cannot undock. The module work as a rig slot and cannot be removed.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore 1408	Posted - 2014.05.22 19:02:00 - [47] - Quote Howabout a ransom system that allows for an in-space trade in which ISK, cargo, or temporary deactivation of shooting rights can be offered? Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!!

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